No, they're different.

Can somebody please send me the Leftover Crack version of Infested, and the Choking Victim version of Rock The 40 Oz??

[QUOTE=StuckPunk]Can somebody please send me the Leftover Crack version of Infested, and the Choking Victim version of Rock The 40 Oz??[/QUOTE]

Is it you i'm supposed to get the Rock The 40oz video off on msn? I can't remember who it was and they're never online

This band reminds me of a line out of Empire Records. ''Shock me shock me shock me with that deviant behavior''. I downloaded a bunch of their stuff and really tried to listen to it with an open mind, but it seems like this band needs to concentrate on making better music rather than coming up with shocking, ''look how punk we are'' album covers and titles. Im all for freedom of speach, and im definitly no fan of G Dubya, but there is making a point, and then there is going way to far. When the moron who wrote the band profile for LOC says, they took a different view, understanding why it happened, and didnt cry like the rest of NY, it just shows how ignorant some people can be. Contrary to popular world belief, our government does not represent ALL of us. Perhaps those people were crying because they lost innocent family members who had nothing to do with anything. Seriousley, make a point, but show some respect, and stop trying to prove how punk rock you are.

next time I'm at my dads, which'll be in a day or two, I'll email stuck punk the LoC version of infested, and Twat the Rock the 40oz video

and to stuckpunk, CV didn't do a version of Rock the 40oz, LoC just did two versions of it.

Anyone have the video for rock the 40oz where you [B]dont[/B] need to open it with quick time?

mines quicktime

yeah same with StuckPunk

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]This band reminds me of a line out of Empire Records. ''Shock me shock me shock me with that deviant behavior''. I downloaded a bunch of their stuff and really tried to listen to it with an open mind, but it seems like this band needs to concentrate on making better music rather than coming up with shocking, ''look how punk we are'' album covers and titles. Im all for freedom of speach, and im definitly no fan of G Dubya, but there is making a point, and then there is going way to far. When the moron who wrote the band profile for LOC says, they took a different view, understanding why it happened, and didnt cry like the rest of NY, it just shows how ignorant some people can be. Contrary to popular world belief, our government does not represent ALL of us. Perhaps those people were crying because they lost innocent family members who had nothing to do with anything. Seriousley, make a point, but show some respect, and stop trying to prove how punk rock you are.[/QUOTE]I like this noob.

Thats a quality post. but im not so sure about the rest.. i havnt noticed much.

[QUOTE=TheNowhereman42]next time I'm at my dads, which'll be in a day or two, I'll email stuck punk the LoC version of infested, and Twat the Rock the 40oz video

and to stuckpunk, CV didn't do a version of Rock the 40oz, LoC just did two versions of it.[/QUOTE]

cheers

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]This band reminds me of a line out of Empire Records. ''Shock me shock me shock me with that deviant behavior''. I downloaded a bunch of their stuff and really tried to listen to it with an open mind, but it seems like this band needs to concentrate on making better music rather than coming up with shocking, ''look how punk we are'' album covers and titles. Im all for freedom of speach, and im definitly no fan of G Dubya, but there is making a point, and then there is going way to far. When the moron who wrote the band profile for LOC says, they took a different view, understanding why it happened, and didnt cry like the rest of NY, it just shows how ignorant some people can be. Contrary to popular world belief, our government does not represent ALL of us. Perhaps those people were crying because they lost innocent family members who had nothing to do with anything. Seriousley, make a point, but show some respect, and stop trying to prove how punk rock you are.[/QUOTE]
eat it. you're just upset because they see what's behind 9-11 and you don't. or maybe you're too dumb to know the difference, and you think you're being sympathetic. nobody cries when we train terrorists around the world. south america, africa, asia, the middle east, they're full of people we trained to slit children's throats and throw babies out of helicopters, and you get sad when people strike back at us? get a grip.

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]eat it. you're just upset because they see what's behind 9-11 and you don't. or maybe you're too dumb to know the difference, and you think you're being sympathetic. nobody cries when we train terrorists around the world. south america, africa, asia, the middle east, they're full of people we trained to slit children's throats and throw babies out of helicopters, and you get sad when people strike back at us? get a grip.[/QUOTE]
No, I do see the difference, and i think its awful what our government does to people around the world in the name of democracy. What I am concerned about here is the exploitation of innocent people for the purposes of an album cover. Beleive me, if the world trade centers were full of politicians and war masterminds, by all means bomb the crap out of it, however thats not the way it was. Nothing is black and white cheeser, not everyone in those buildings were evil government warheads, innocent people got killed, and that is what im concerned with here.

I don't agree with LoC's controversy-seeking antics but you can't say that they exploited 9/11 any more than the American government did.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]I don't agree with LoC's controversy-seeking antics but you can't say that they exploited 9/11 any more than the American government did.[/QUOTE]
I will agree with you that 9/11 was exploited in the media for the purposes of a war that shouldent have happened, but that still dosent make it right, or make LOC any less guilty because the government did it too. They should have tried to be bigger than that. Say what you want, but they knew that an album cover like that would cause controversy, contrversy=attention, which generates more sales. Exploiting the innocent dead for the purposes of an album, sorry but it dosent sit well with me, even if i do agree with thier stance on the war and our government.

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]No, I do see the difference, and i think its awful what our government does to people around the world in the name of democracy. What I am concerned about here is the exploitation of innocent people for the purposes of an album cover. Beleive me, if the world trade centers were full of politicians and war masterminds, by all means bomb the crap out of it, however thats not the way it was. Nothing is black and white cheeser, not everyone in those buildings were evil government warheads, innocent people got killed, and that is what im concerned with here.[/QUOTE]

They didn't exploit anyone. You say things aren't black and white, but think about this: How many ways are you considering their music? I think you said one sentence about their music and then you just started to talk about their cover art and 9/11. You're only looking at this in black and white. "They want attention so they made a cover." It's not just that. On cover art also says "Blood for Oil". The cover art is a satire of Bush, Cheny and NY former mayor. They didn't have pictures of people in the street or people jumping out of the buildings. It wasn't saying "Haha, look at all these thousands of people!". It wasn't exploiting them. And who really cares if innocent people died? Seriously- Innocent people die every second. By the time you finish reading this post, a couple of innocent people will have died. Innocent children in another country will have starved to death, and I don't really think you care about that. WTC was full of other people who didn't care either, and yeah, there were some blue collar janitors in there. Too bad. People die. That is life. You're born, you die. On that album there is a song called "Soon We'll be dead" about remembering the good times. Maybe, if we look in the grey area that you're skipping- Songs like that, because there is more than 1 on this album, are for the innocent people who died? Did you ever consider that? No. You just assumed they were all about the attention.

"make LOC any less guilty because the government did it too. They should have tried to be bigger than that. Say what you want, but they knew that an album cover like that would cause controversy, contrversy=attention, which generates more sales. Exploiting the innocent dead for the purposes of an album, sorry but it dosent sit well with me, even if i do agree with thier stance on the war and our government."

Bigger than what? Bigger than saying "This happened"? Because it did happen. You can try and deny it if you want. It happened and you shouldn't be scared to look at it. It's people like you who probably want to take certain things out of history books too, because you don't like it. And obviously they don't really care about sales. If they did, they'd probably generate music that could make it in the mainstream and not do things like that which made chain stores say "We will not sell your album." They got very little press over that cover art, and they weren't allowed to sell it in big stores. Maybe you're wrong about how you're going at this?

And what does you mean, "exploiting the innocent dead"? Are you suggesting that every person killed on 9/11 was innocent? Because I assure you, they weren't.

And don't assume that you agree with them on the government. Even they say it doesn't matter if Bush or Kerry got elected. Things are the same either way. Don't group them with the "left" because they hate dicks like you just as much as the "right".

Try to be a person and think for yourself every now and then and not just agree that they did it for attention.

Have you considered that maybe they did do it for attention, and to be controvercial? Most of the time on this forum, people aren't agreeing with others, it's their own, formed opinion.

[QUOTE=Skrunnch 3]Have you considered that maybe they did do it for attention, and to be controvercial? Most of the time on this forum, people aren't agreeing with others, it's their own, formed opinion.[/QUOTE]

Yes. I did.
Then I listened to the album.

And most the time, someone just agrees, like you. "The casualties suxxx". "LoC just does it for attentionnnxz".

They make good music. They stick to their beliefs.

Their whole center is to make political music in such a way it garners attention through offending people and throwing truth in people's face so much it is pushing the lines.

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]Yes. I did.
Then I listened to the album.

And most the time, someone just agrees, like you. "The casualties suxxx". "LoC just does it for attentionnnxz".

They make good music. They stick to their beliefs.[/QUOTE]


I love the extra letters you put while quoting me. Good job at making me look bad.

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]They stick to their beliefs.[/QUOTE]
What exactly are these beliefs?

I think to say that LoC are exploiting the victims of 9/11 is a bit of a misunderstanding of where they're coming from. The cover of FWT shows Cheney, Bush and Giuliani puppeteering the attacks on the towers. I can see how people would be offended by that, and it's understandable, but how does making that statement qualify exploitation of innocent victims? I think what people who think that way should understand about Leftover Crack, and the whole CRS7, for that matter is they have always had an uncouth and crass way of bluntly telling their audience how they feel. It isn't as if soon come 9/11, LoC started writing songs about anti-capitalist greed and cop killing for the sake of pissing people off; they have [B]always[/B] wrote songs regarding these topics, in spite of the political or social climate.

Now, if they had not addressed these issues in their past and all of a sudden started spouting uncharacteristically outspoken and vile flame fodder I would be more inclined to think they were just jerks trying to profit off of other people's pain; but they didn't change one bit, they just had something else to chalk up to what they believe is a problem caused by overzealous multinational corporations and trade.

Besides, I highly doubt their album sales were boosted by using this image. They've been banned from several record stores (independent and chains), plenty of venues across NYC and the rest of the country. Most people are so touchy over the 9/11 thing they wouldn't dream of supporting a band that had such an image on it's album cover, so they immediately limited their potential buyers market.

Lastly, and this is probably my least valid point (but I think it's still worthy of mention, myself being from Brooklyn), LoC are from NYC, and I can tell you there are [I]plenty[/I] of New Yorkers who aren't so uptight and have their panties in a bunch over 9/11. I think a lot of it stems from a feeling that the average person from NYC who is very much a low income blue collar worker that had nothing to do with the towers or world trade in general became automatically pidgeon-holed as a victim on 9/12, and all of a sudden you've got the whole country offering condolences and trying to connect to this tragedy as if it happened in "their" backyard. I guess what I'm trying to say is that lots of the city folk got tired of being used, first by the bombers, then by the media, then by the government, all in the name of something they were immediately associated with but really were absolutely unconnected and priorly unsympathetic to, so a lot of us are more openly against a lot of what's being said and done in our name. And again, it isn't just on the 9/11 issue, it's a lot of things that the CRS7 talk about (like cops, some New Yorkers love em while some hate em) and when it comes to LoC, they make it known clearly what they think to spread the word that it's ok to be vehemently against what is socially acceptable, because in the end it leads to a death of ideas and everyone will start to just blindly follow the most impressive leader.

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]They didn't exploit anyone. You say things aren't black and white, but think about this: How many ways are you considering their music? I think you said one sentence about their music and then you just started to talk about their cover art and 9/11. You're only looking at this in black and white. "They want attention so they made a cover." It's not just that. On cover art also says "Blood for Oil". The cover art is a satire of Bush, Cheny and NY former mayor. They didn't have pictures of people in the street or people jumping out of the buildings. It wasn't saying "Haha, look at all these thousands of people!". It wasn't exploiting them. And who really cares if innocent people died? Seriously- Innocent people die every second. By the time you finish reading this post, a couple of innocent people will have died. Innocent children in another country will have starved to death, and I don't really think you care about that. WTC was full of other people who didn't care either, and yeah, there were some blue collar janitors in there. Too bad. People die. That is life. You're born, you die. On that album there is a song called "Soon We'll be dead" about remembering the good times. Maybe, if we look in the grey area that you're skipping- Songs like that, because there is more than 1 on this album, are for the innocent people who died? Did you ever consider that? No. You just assumed they were all about the attention.

"make LOC any less guilty because the government did it too. They should have tried to be bigger than that. Say what you want, but they knew that an album cover like that would cause controversy, contrversy=attention, which generates more sales. Exploiting the innocent dead for the purposes of an album, sorry but it dosent sit well with me, even if i do agree with thier stance on the war and our government."

Bigger than what? Bigger than saying "This happened"? Because it did happen. You can try and deny it if you want. It happened and you shouldn't be scared to look at it. It's people like you who probably want to take certain things out of history books too, because you don't like it. And obviously they don't really care about sales. If they did, they'd probably generate music that could make it in the mainstream and not do things like that which made chain stores say "We will not sell your album." They got very little press over that cover art, and they weren't allowed to sell it in big stores. Maybe you're wrong about how you're going at this?

And what does you mean, "exploiting the innocent dead"? Are you suggesting that every person killed on 9/11 was innocent? Because I assure you, they weren't.

And don't assume that you agree with them on the government. Even they say it doesn't matter if Bush or Kerry got elected. Things are the same either way. Don't group them with the "left" because they hate dicks like you just as much as the "right".

Try to be a person and think for yourself every now and then and not just agree that they did it for attention.[/QUOTE]

Innocent people died, who cares? You certinley a sick human being. When someone said to me that they didnt exploit 9/11 anymore than the government, what i was saying is that they should have tried to be better than the government that they are saying is so bad, and not exploit peoples pain. Sorry, but using someone elses pain for you're own purposes is exploitation, not everyone there was innocent, plenty of pepole were though. The day a band puts out a CD showing a stelth bomber bombing a village in Iraq, i will have the same argument. Im not even only talking about LOC, correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the cover art of a Choking Victim CD a dude hanging with a buch of upsidedown crusifixes? Attention attention, look at me look at me. Im sorry, but its this trying way to hard, over the top BS that turns me off. If i thought their music was good, as much as it would pain me, i would admit it. As far as me wanting things I dont like out of history books, calling me a dick, blah blah blah, lets try to have an adult argument. Personally, I dont even think that their CD should be banned anywhere, im completely against cencorship, it should be sold anywhere and everywhere, however, it dosent mean i agree with it. How many ways am i considering thier music? Thats easy, im considering weather or not i think it sucks. Personally i dont like it, but im not telling you what to listen to, if you think its good, great for you, im happy for you.

3qtzDrunk For Noob Of The Month!

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]Innocent people died, who cares? You certinley a sick human being. When someone said to me that they didnt exploit 9/11 anymore than the government, what i was saying is that they should have tried to be better than the government that they are saying is so bad, and not exploit peoples pain. Sorry, but using someone elses pain for you're own purposes is exploitation, not everyone there was innocent, plenty of pepole were though. The day a band puts out a CD showing a stelth bomber bombing a village in Iraq, i will have the same argument. Im not even only talking about LOC, correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the cover art of a Choking Victim CD a dude hanging with a buch of upsidedown crusifixes? Attention attention, look at me look at me. Im sorry, but its this trying way to hard, over the top BS that turns me off. If i thought their music was good, as much as it would pain me, i would admit it. As far as me wanting things I dont like out of history books, calling me a dick, blah blah blah, lets try to have an adult argument. Personally, I dont even think that their CD should be banned anywhere, im completely against cencorship, it should be sold anywhere and everywhere, however, it dosent mean i agree with it. How many ways am i considering thier music? Thats easy, im considering weather or not i think it sucks. Personally i dont like it, but im not telling you what to listen to, if you think its good, great for you, im happy for you.[/QUOTE]I agree with you totally about their attention-seeking lyrics, persona etc. Their self-mythologising is just as bad. But I still like their music.

[QUOTE=ihateblacksjewsandmexicans]I heard that LC left hell-cat records on some bad terms and then they made fun of rancid on their new album. So did they get into a fight or something? Because Tim and Brett really helped them out. I just wanna know if anyone knows.[/QUOTE]

They Left Hellcat records because they didn't want lc's new album **** world trade to release
ok?

[QUOTE=Brain Squirmin' Like a Toad]Their whole center is to make political music in such a way it garners attention through offending people and throwing [b][u]truth[/u][/b] in people's face so much it is pushing the lines.[/QUOTE]
i rest my fuc[i]k[/i]ing case. i don't care what people say about their image, or how they convey their message, etc etc, blah blah blah, boo hoo hoo.


to the whiney kid:
they aren't running around offending people by stabbing old ladies. they aren't beating up black kids and burning crosses. they aren't blowing up children with car bombs. they're fuc[i]k[/i]ing musicians, and they're getting across the fuc[i]k[/i]ing truth, important things that most people don't care enough to notice, and you'll sit there and say "oh, but i do notice, i see the truth" and then stick your thumb up your as[i]s[/i] while 99.999% of this country isn't as enlightened as little old you. and that helps how? what good is that? you've got it figured out, therefore this offensiveness is unncessary? and who are you to judge art? are you an art critic? are you a musical prodigy? do you design album covers for a living? and even if so, nothing could qualify you to make the judgements you're making. get a life. if you can't handle the truth, buy your albums at stores that censor the artists. they're the best kinds of stores because they barely pay minumum wage and hire full-timers at 28 hours per week. oh i'm sorry, was that harsh dose of truth too much for your sad little ears?

[QUOTE=a7x ChapterFour]They Left Hellcat records because they didn't want lc's new album **** world trade to release
ok?[/QUOTE]


huh? :eek:

[QUOTE=skankinOstrich]huh? :eek:[/QUOTE]
leftover crack's release of mediocre generica on hellcat was censored, to some degree, by tim armstrong and the other people in charge of the label (a bad decision on their part). he didn't want the columbine shooter stuff in there, not as much of it, and some of the cover art and what not. that's why they split and put out fuc[i]k[/i] world trade on alternative tentacles.

Yeah, and wasn't medocre generica originally titled Shoot The Kids, or did i just make that up?