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rudie
07-19-2005, 01:34 PM
can someone explain to me what makes it psychedelic. im not talking about the drug side but the music side. as i have heard lots of stuff be classed as psychedelic but it all sounds different to me :confused:
any help would be nice.

Iai
07-19-2005, 01:38 PM
That's a fairly hard one. Thign is, it differs quite a bit - The Zombies are quite different to early Pink Floyd, for instance, yet you wouldn't deny either the psychedelic tag.

Subject matter would be a key thing - 'Interstellar Overdrive' by Pink Floyd, for instance, or 'Tomorrow Never Knows' by The Beatles.

A lot of psychedelia seems pretty child-like, too, though that may just be me.

Robert Crumb
07-19-2005, 02:51 PM
Yeah, to me, psychedelia is one of those genres that aren't really a genres. You want an answer that doesn't involve the drug side but the two sides, music and drugs, are inseperable in this case. It's not psychedelic if someone on some side of the ball, listening or creating, isn't taking drugs.

Roughly, I think the genre was born out of an effort to simulate the psychedelic experience through a medium, in this case, music. That's not something really singular to any specific medium. Later, I think it also changed to anything that drug users themselves listened to. And in a sense, those to signifying qualities were linked because people who were trying to simulate the psychedelic experience were drug users themselves. Taking drugs to make music to take drugs to. There's no particular set of musical qualities or sounds involved, saved for maybe experimental overtones.

Iai
07-19-2005, 02:53 PM
Yeah, that about sums it up.

Amish Pornstar
07-19-2005, 04:50 PM
it's trippy

DemBonez
07-19-2005, 05:39 PM
So no one brought up Eastern (primarly Middle Eastern & Indian) sounds/instruments, breaking of verse-chorus-verse pattern, layered music, adaptation of free jazz, and the embrace of surrealism? The lax structure and wide arrange of timbers causes it to sound different, it allows the artist to have a more individual voice.

But heh, what do I know? I don't do drugs.

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please-
07-19-2005, 08:45 PM
Psychedelic music is any form of music inspired by interest in other spiritual planes/altered perceptual states (drug or trance induced) and promoting interest in other spiritual planes/altered perceptual states. American jazz artists had at least a five-year lead on rock musicians in blending world rhythms into tradtional music. What is commonly called "Free Jazz" could easily be considered psychedelic music, if you go by the broad definition. Three pioneers here were Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, and John Coltrane. It was Coltrane who had the widest audeince and the most direct influence on rock musicians. His free work brought in African and Indian textures, and later he was blowing free through extended jams with larger (Ascension) or smaller (Interstellar Space) ensembles.

Det_Nosnip
07-19-2005, 09:17 PM
Even better question: what makes the music trippy/psychedelic? :)

Jam2Me
07-19-2005, 09:47 PM
LSD

/thread

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please-
07-19-2005, 10:26 PM
^What he said. :lol:

rudie
07-20-2005, 12:32 AM
thanks

nobodyblossomsforever
07-20-2005, 10:34 AM
Even better question: what makes the music trippy/psychedelic? :)
Organs, weird sound effects.

Psychadellic still exists today. They call it Experimental Rock now.

:chug:

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please-
07-20-2005, 02:29 PM
Organs, weird sound effects.

Psychadellic still exists today. They call it Neo-Psychedelia now.

:chug:
I have fixed it. ;)

Det_Nosnip
07-20-2005, 02:46 PM
Organs, weird sound effects.

Psychadellic still exists today. They call it Experimental Rock now.

:chug:

Heh....dig deeper! What is it about organs? What makes those sound effects "weird"? There's a whole lot more to it than that. It's the production, the notes chosen....but the ultimate question is WHY does this combination of elements have that specific effect on people?

thickasabrick
07-20-2005, 03:06 PM
I remember one time I came home after a long night of toking up and my brother was having a party...

I was laying in my bed trying to sleep, but my brothers friend (who's a great guitarist) was playing some jazz on my guitar downstairs. Someone else was playing my organ downstairs right next to the guitar, although they obviously couldn't actually play it and they were just playing random stuff. Someone was banging away on my brothers drumset in his room. Someone was playing my piano in the other room, and they were quite good. And a whole bunch of people were playing poker in the kitchen right outside my room.

All of these sounds put together made up what I think was the most psychedelic music I've ever heard, there wasn't singing but I could hear talking and yelling and stuff and it added to the effect. It was wonderful, I laid there listenening to it until I fell asleep. I wish I could have recorded it.

(I don't have an explanation for what makes music psychedelic, I just thought it was a cool story to share)

Broken Arrow
07-20-2005, 03:15 PM
I remember one time I came home after a long night of toking up and my brother was having a party...

I was laying in my bed trying to sleep, but my brothers friend (who's a great guitarist) was playing some jazz on my guitar downstairs. Someone else was playing my organ downstairs right next to the guitar, although they obviously couldn't actually play it and they were just playing random stuff. Someone was banging away on my brothers drumset in his room. Someone was playing my piano in the other room, and they were quite good. And a whole bunch of people were playing poker in the kitchen right outside my room.

All of these sounds put together made up what I think was the most psychedelic music I've ever heard, there wasn't singing but I could hear talking and yelling and stuff and it added to the effect. It was wonderful, I laid there listenening to it until I fell asleep. I wish I could have recorded it.

(I don't have an explanation for what makes music psychedelic, I just thought it was a cool story to share)
I remeber you telling that story in CR. Awesome.

barrett420
07-20-2005, 03:19 PM
Pyichedelic music is the best music. (opinion)
:thumb:

Flaminghotchino
07-20-2005, 03:50 PM
^ It's a shame you can't spell it =) lol.

I think Psychedelic music is one of those really undefinable things. It's just kind of a...overall feeling..

What I hate is when you get a bunch of dumbasses playing random sh.it and they call it "psychedelic man"

ROT
07-20-2005, 09:15 PM
yeah man
itsavibe

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please-
07-21-2005, 11:50 AM
Psychedelia = Free Jazz gone Rock + LSD

NP: Out to Lunch - Eric Dolphy

^This is starting to turn out to be one of my favorite Jazz albums.

Ned
07-24-2005, 01:05 AM
It may be worth pointing out what the term "psychedelic" means in the first place. A "psychedelic" drug, such as LSD, is supposed to (WAS supposed to, I suppose) make your innermost soul, your psyche, apparent. Psychedelic music, then, would seem to have been anticipated by Expressionism and, especially, Surrealism. It's no coincidence that the Jefferson Airplane released an album in 1967 ("the summer of love") called "Surrealistic Pillow".

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please-
07-24-2005, 03:21 AM
Judging by your typing I'd say you were on LSD. :p

No but seriously what's your point here? Surrealistic Pillow isn't even that experimental it's only significant because it was the first major album that came out of the infamous Psychedelic San Fran scene. That and it's also very good in some peoples' opinion.

Ned
07-24-2005, 03:45 AM
Judging by your typing I'd say you were on LSD. :p .

What the fcuk is wrong with my "typing"?

No but seriously what's your point here?

Reread the post, pal.

Surrealistic Pillow isn't even that experimental it's only significant because it was the first major album that came out of the infamous Psychedelic San Fran scene. That and it's also very good in some peoples' opinion.

Experimental schexperimental. The TITLE demonstrates that the Jefferson Airplane, is contradistinction to pretty much everyone on this thread, understood what the term "psychedelic" means.

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please-
07-24-2005, 12:59 PM
What the fcuk is wrong with my "typing"?
It's not really your typing but it's way you wrote that.
Reread the post, pal.
I have many times and you tend to not make much sence at all.
Experimental schexperimental. The TITLE demonstrates that the Jefferson Airplane, is contradistinction to pretty much everyone on this thread, understood what the term "psychedelic" means.
Explain. I'm woundering why you think that not that I disagree or anything but I'm just interested in hearing why you think that. You're just not giving much of a explantion why.