Album Rating: 2.0

lol like it's one thing if you have influence but you're not trying to be just like them (why I feel A7X works and 5FDP doesn't) but I would've been the BIGGEST hypocrite going after the toughguy attitude of say, American Capitalist and then trying to still make excuses for this

i've had arguments with 5FDP fans when I still tolerated this album and they've made this point to me: "how can you hate them for the hypermasculine tough guy attitude then go and listen to Pantera?" I regret to inform that they have a point, esp since this feels like the same thing with a worse guitar tone and more overt Confederate imagery in their 90's stage shows, and the aforementioned "white pride" speeches that Nazis used to spam my DMs with

But what about this……..










Who cares?

Album Rating: 2.5

is there a name for the phenomenon of a band's shittiest album becoming their most iconic

Album Rating: 2.0

luckily the great southern trendkill isn't pantera's most iconic album

I feel like cowboys from hell is probably still their most iconic

Album Rating: 2.0

I'm trying not to be a total hypocrite openly giving one band a pass for something I hate another band for. I'm not always successful at it but damn it i'm trying. if I give this a pass (especially when considering how they were conducting themselves at live shows in the 90's) then slag off another band for the same thing, what does that make me? a hypocrite. if i hate 5FDP for it, why does it make logical sense for me to be okay with it here?

granted, there is a similarly hypocritical part of me that feels like if it was hyperfeminine rage i'd give it a pass but it isn't. at least there, there's the sociological implication of angry women fighting back against a patriarchal society and toxic men. not that there isn't an equal chance women can be just as toxic, but we historically hadn't really heard their side as much especially in metal

Album Rating: 4.0

"granted, there is a similarly hypocritical part of me that feels like if it was hyperfeminine rage i'd give it a pass"



jfc

Album Rating: 2.0

@Emim: all i can really say is there's a difference, hypermasculinity historically started most/all of the world's wars it's far more prevalent, a lot of feminist movements are essentially just fighting back and showing men that women can be more than docile submissive beings. TERFs can eat it though

it really feels as if you are attacking this album as a giant pretty unfair stand in for masculinity and bullying that you experienced in your life. and you don't like their image/member controversies. reviewing something you so obviously personally hate for a lot of non music reasons is a bizarre choice and reads more like a manifesto

it feels like it's not coming from a genuine place of music criticism rather instead you having an at times imaginary axe to grind. i think this is what people are taking issue with. just makes me want to listen to pantera tbh lol

Album Rating: 2.0

There's plenty of music criticism apart from what it represents, but sometimes it's hard to separate it from what it means culturally. maybe it does read more manifesto-like, but i did try to specify if these specific reasons do not bother you I can see why it has the acclaim. i think looking back i probably posted it too early and didn't go into more musical elements.

i attempted to be fair about what it does well in its own little niche despite my dislike. That was my angle, while also hammering home what makes it such a hard album for me these days. Trying to straddle both lines is kind of difficult. there's a reason i didn't go 1/5 or 0.5 and try to dismiss any reason one would disagree. it was an attempt to try and provide a different perspective bc the only other negative review had zero sociological interpretations.

plus this was really cathartic to get off my chest

I guess I just don’t really understand why you’d put forth the effort to “take down the patriarchy” by writing a scathing review of a Pantera album on a dying music forum but whatever makes you happy

Album Rating: 2.0

hey fair enough lmao it's mostly because despite this place dying there's a decent community around to discuss my feelings with, i get it but I also feel like this really helped me put into words what this album means. For me a lot of albums I love and hate come with a personal connection I can take from. it's also a lot calmer these days than if I did this in 2018 when I came here originally.

i think the sociological interpretation is exactly the issue, you're making pantera out to be a cartoon villain wrong with all ills in society. i appreciate different perspectives but this just seems poorly thought out and this isn't really about the music to you and i think you know that.

edited as i think i misunderstood the nuclear hellfrost situation

Go look at promos of Pantera before they toured with exhorder and you might see them in a different light lol

what do you mean by that? got no clue. i get they were unsavory characters if that's what you mean.

Nono like before 1991 they were a hair metal band, the promos from that era are fuckin hilarious

oh yeah of course haha. ride my rocket! can't recall a band ever changing their sound and image so dramatically like that.

was reading a while back the og singer's wife is high up in NASA! even got a wiki page. might be even more wild haha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Glaze

Album Rating: 2.0

Oh the hair days I can forgive LOL I think id unironically rather jam metal magic than this cuz at least its funny

I think up to Cowboys is the era I tolerate most, I see it in two different eras. And I'd like to say Reinventing the Steel is my favorite of that era but it just sounds like shit production-wise

Album Rating: 4.0

Halez, were you beat up in high school?

Album Rating: 2.0

Had a few close calls but I tried to stay out of everyone's way just cuz I knew I was the type that'd likely get bullied