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Demon of the Fall
June 5th 2019


11053 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

How is it possible to disagree with everyone on polar opposite sides of an argument? Fuck me. I don't take anything Zak says seriously anyway, I mean he keeps bringing up the war. He's a character, no way is he real.



Mental health is a very serious issue, that cannot and should not be argued against. It's also nothing to do with 'generations' as the suffering isn't exclusive to people of a certain age. Anyone disregarding actual mental illness is an awful human being, so I just want to distance myself from that side of the argument, which I wasn't even really a part of... I just said I'm not a 'millennial' and yes, the younger generations are pandered to, sometimes unnecessarily... THE TWO ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE FFS!

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DoofDoof
June 5th 2019


3999 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

'mental health is a serious issue and your toxic fucking generation spreads horrible horseshit about manning up or whatever and that you can't have genuine emotions or you're weak, you are the ones that make it worse'



it was more that some things can be dealt with in private, not everything has to be shared, it becomes a weird crux of negative behaviors and positive reinforcement weirdness.



I have a mate who's 31, has his mental health issues, had a heart flutter thing - posted a pic of himself in hospital saying he had a suspected heart attack - gets hundreds of sympathy messages.



Later says it wasn't a heart attack.



Why the constant need to share stuff like that? Just contact your nearest and dearest, take a breath, wait 24 hours then post what actually happened on social media if you want to. This constant publicizing deeply personal stuff totally exacerbates mental health issues to the point now we have a whole new type of mental health problems.

Demon of the Fall
June 5th 2019


11053 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

People should feel they can talk about it, but posting your entire life on social media is never a good thing regardless of what the content is... especially true for health matters, mental or otherwise. Fair enough if you have a very close knit group of family/friends on whatever platform you're using, but that's hardly ever the case.



It's also unfortunate that some use it as an attention seeking tactic, which makes a mockery of people who have serious issues.

DoofDoof
June 5th 2019


3999 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

He's up at 3am saying he can't sleep and he's going crazy, or saying he's gone off his meds and has 'beaten depression'. I know other people like this online.



This is not an improvement in how people deal with mental health - it's a weird addiction that increases the issues and makes people deaf to the actual things that might help them.



Not saying greater information and legislation about mental health is at all bad but this generation being really 'open' and 'positive' about it is a double edged sword.

SoulFunction
June 5th 2019


346 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Lock em up, throw away the key.

Sinternet
June 5th 2019


19677 Comments


its absolutely not a double-edged sword and you have to be an unsympathetic mong to believe that. the gains we've made in treating mental health are as a result of the cultural shift, you only believe that because it's more visible now. what you're seeing is how mental health issues hurt people regardless of whether they share it or not, because now they share it becomes a more apparent problem than it was because otherwise you didn't see what was really going on. add to that current socio-economic pressures such as austerity with death tolls in the hundreds of thousands, and you have people on the outside believeing that suddenly everyone's fragile or some shit when in reality what is happening was the case, you were just shunned and avoided for mentioning it.

SoulFunction
June 5th 2019


346 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Fucking old people, man. Always pinning the blame on the younger generations.

Demon of the Fall
June 5th 2019


11053 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

The change in attitudes is welcome and the visibility of the issues people are suffering has been helped by the spread of information, it's something I believe is almost impossible to deny. Many mental health problems are magnified by people feeling unable to share their thoughts through the fear of being chastised, which is especially difficult if you already feel vulnerable. All this is correct and I'm pleased that we're no longer expected to 'man up' which is such an abhorrent phrase it makes my blood boil honestly.



All this doesn't mean there aren't problems... the spread of mis-information by people who aren't qualified, or who claim to be suffering with something specific without a diagnosis (sometimes leads to 'self-medicating' too). The bullying people can experience when sharing their experiences online. The constant need for support via 'acquaintances' on online platforms, when reaching out to people closer to you would be better served (this is where the over-sharing/double-edged sword thing comes in, for me) etc.

GhandhiLion
June 5th 2019


4736 Comments


Dam I forgot about this, his singles were ace.

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DoofDoof
June 5th 2019


3999 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Sint - you have a bloke online saying he is off his meds and has 'beaten depression' and getting 'likes' and stupid people applauding him and giving empty platitudes of what he's done is 'amazing' when in reality he is delusional and it is harming him a lot. He is falling out with other friends in our group because his mental health is making him impossible to get along with - he lashes out to a horrific degree. He needs actual medical help.



That IS a negative and a symptom of this oversharing and self-branding generation.



I agree with the good stuff - I hope you can see how what I've described is very bad.



Dude doesn't go to a professional as I have suggested in discussion face to face with him myself - he continues to 'self heal' online when he clearly has depression and a load of other issues.

Demon of the Fall
June 5th 2019


11053 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

That's what I was alluding to with 'constant need for support via acquaintances on online platforms'... also the self-medicating thing. I have to agree there.

GhandhiLion
June 5th 2019


4736 Comments


Gonna chip in on this discussion

1) My generation is becoming increasingly nihilistic and fetishizes mental illness. Some people put mental illness in the centre of their identity.

2) Entitlement is a big problem, but self esteem is an even bigger problem. Schools have become obsessed with self esteem. Problem is many have no clue how it's obtained and it leads to destructive things like participation medals.

3) I don't think the positive reinforcement of these problems is the direct result of people being open about mental illness



DoofDoof
June 5th 2019


3999 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Ghandi - yes, self esteem is a key one from what my wife was saying, to the degree this sense of a base level of identity/self worth that my generation takes as the norm really isn't for the generation's coming up. It is almost an alien idea for the pre-Internet/social media generations - but it is fascinating people are aware of this and getting training to help their relationships with people who might have these issues.



Starting to feel bad this isn't a discussion thread but is an album thread oops, wasn't meant to be such a long discussion

Rowan5215
Staff Reviewer
June 5th 2019


42020 Comments

Album Rating: 3.7

yeah so I may have overhyped this a little bit based on the story and reactions. it's very good though and I can see myself loving it in a week's time so we'll see how it goes. Desert River, Jasmine, BTSTU are faves - and Do You Love Her Now is fucking killer too

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DoofDoof
June 5th 2019


3999 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

Problem I have is I've known Jasmine, Zion Wolf Theme and BTSTU for nearly ten years and...yeah, the rest is ok

Demon of the Fall
June 5th 2019


11053 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

So what exactly is this, a compilation of old demos? Asking for a friend.

tectactoe
June 5th 2019


440 Comments


where is everyone getting this. i cannot find a good download. only one i found has, like, two seeds.

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luci
June 5th 2019


11183 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

“He” is in my Top 3 with “Str8 Outta Mumbai” and “BTSTU”

It’s pay what you want on his website, also on streaming platforms

tectactoe
June 5th 2019


440 Comments


you know it's always in the last place you'd think to look.


>_>

anatelier
June 5th 2019


2766 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Top 3 for me are Mumbai, 100000 and Zion



What Doof posed to me on RYM though is whether to count this as a 2019 release, having not heard the original leak I can’t say how different it is and whether it can count on a year end list (atm it’s top 5 for me if it counts as 19)

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