"so the cca. -0,5 average is due to the production?"

That and the "album sucks" myth around it. Like people saying Chino sounds much in better in Ohms when he actually sounds worse

Album Rating: 3.0

Chino sounds as he has always sounded on Ohms but his vocals are kind of fucked by production on a lot of spots.



On Gore however he sucks as well. I hate the random raspy shout-screams he has incorporated in his repertoire and he most heavily used it here along with some saturated filters. I miss the days of s/t and snw where his more restrained crooning achieved the desired effects he was looking for.

Album is fine, people just expect way to fucking much.

Album Rating: 4.0

I think this has a lot of interesting Chino performances kinda like SNW had. On Ohms he's basically on autopilot.



Also, idk about the songwriting, at least they're trying something a bit different on here. There are some duds for sure, but give me a Deftones album without a dud. Maybe KNY, but even that's debatable. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this album sounds about as good as any they've done and the rating baffles me. Especially since Rubicon may be the best closer of their entire discography

On Ohms Chino "whispers" more and the harsh vocals are effected to the point of annoyance, whereas in Gore he pushes his cleans more and the vocal effects are less annoying to my ears.
Also disagreed hard about the songwriting here, but I do understand why it's considered bad just by looking at how many times I see Romantic Dreams called a weak point in KNY for having a messy structure, whereas in my eyes it's all the more exciting for not being too linear.

I like all their albums btw, sorry if this comes off as too ranty

Album Rating: 3.0

Rubicon is not better than riviere or pink maggit lol

I'd rate it below moana and whty as well.



I'll put it simply, the best tracks here are far and away overshadowed by the best tracks on any other Deftones album, even Adrenaline.

Album Rating: 4.0

It is better than Pink Maggit to my ears, can't say I'm sure about it being better than Riviere tho

Album Rating: 4.0

Also hot take White Pony is HELLA overrated for this site's usual standards

"I'll put it simply, the best tracks here are far and away overshadowed by the best tracks on any other Deftones album, even Adrenaline."

idk man the final three songs here are all in my top-tier Deftones class, and I could maybe consider other Gore songs too like Acid Hologram. Song structures in this one are just unmatched in the discog imo except SNW and some other songs here and there, but as I said (the Romantic Dreams thing) I do see why it's unpopular

Album Rating: 4.0

agreed hard Sabru, would say last 4 tho

Album Rating: 3.0

I don't see how a song like p/t has an original or unconventional song structure compared to any of their previous records. In fact this has the worst offenders out of any deftones albums (safe maybe DE) when it comes to conventional songwriting. Songs such as p/t, h/w, rubicon and especially the snoozefest that is phantom bride have the same stale progressions that we've come to expect already.



And for the record I like romantic dreams quite a lot

"I don't see how a song like p/t has an original or unconventional song structure compared to any of their previous records."
It's not an incredibly special song but their layered sound is at its most mature and refined for me, and the sections are smoothly connected except the intentionally sudden chorus. (edit: I'm not saying it's absolutely their first smooth song, this last bit is just reinforcement)

"In fact this has the worst offenders out of any deftones albums (safe maybe DE) when it comes to conventional songwriting."
What do you mean with conventional songwriting? And there's no way this has worse songwriting than something like s/t when that record is as straightforward as spaghetti with its droning songs (which I dig for that same reason, but I'd never put above this writing-wise).

"phantom bride have the same stale progressions that we've come to expect already"
it's one of their most unique songs though? Sorry I'm not following you there. Sure they already used the heavy coda gimmick in SNW but here they mix it with the atmospheric solos too and a lot of attention to the quieter parts in the middle of the song in a way they never did. Plus Chino offers a beauty of a chorus.

imo and all

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

https://metalinjection.net/shocking-revelations/deftones-chino-moreno-admits-last-album-gore-was-rushed

Missed this article last month. Damn. Makes it pretty clear that even Chino thought this record was a little hamfisted

"I think that feeling of just wanting to just finish something in a timely manner is why that record turned out in that way, where it was like maybe we weren't there yet. Maybe we hadn't actually explored and allowed what would happen naturally to happen."

Album Rating: 4.0

^Still a good album, even though it's my 2nd least favourite of theirs I love it for the most parts

P/T, Doomed User, H/W, Gore amd Rubicon are up there with their best stuff

Album Rating: 4.0

Coming back to this after Ohms and I actually hear a lot in common, surprisingly enough. Ohms takes what works here and eenhances it.

Album Rating: 3.5

Yo this went from a 3.6 to a 3.4 this year?? Unjust

Yeah makes no sense but whatever

Album Rating: 3.0

I honestly prefer this to Ohms

I don’t necessarily share that opinion, cause Ohms was just the record I needed from them. But I do feel this gets undeserved hate.

Album Rating: 3.0

almost certainly depends on what you need from a death tones album