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Lord(e)Po)))ts
August 21st 2015


55828 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Ur life is in shambles



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Cygnatti
August 21st 2015


33279 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

ok that's some complete garbage lord help him

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Emeritus
August 21st 2015


6909 Comments


( ╹✖╹) erp

Cygnatti
August 21st 2015


33279 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

ok first of all a musician is someone who plays or can play music, not someone who writes music. all those chorus/band/orchestra kids from your high school? well they're all musicians, but i'll tell you right now that most of them certainly don't write their own music, and there's nothing wrong with that.

How can anyone sing the lyrics with the proper passion if he never gave a fuck about them?
this garbage and you know it. how can anyone passionately sing the star-spangled banner or amazing grace, etc., or even any folk song ever if they didn't write it?! how can anyone play a song they didn't write passionately? good god, by this logic you're invalidating an entire era of pop music: the (vocal) jazz age was defined by covers and performances rather than their own writing.

not only that, but this thought process also invalidates western classical as a whole: you are aware that most of the best classical musicians in the world didn't write the pieces they're performing, right?

so enough of this rockist bullshit notion that writing music = being a "real artist" and have a little bit of perspective.


theBoneyKing
August 21st 2015


18987 Comments


Great post Cyg, all true.

I second the point about it being bs to say you can't "properly" sing lyrics if you didn't write them. I mean before recorded music was a thing, almost all music was based around folk traditions and standards or classical compositions. So did no one "properly" sing until there was recorded music? I think not.

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LoLifant
August 22nd 2015


1549 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Okay, maybe I should correct my statement a little bit. Of course it's something different if we talk about national anthems or folklore music or whatever. But I still stand behind the point that I don't like it if "normal" musicians as we know them, don't write their own music. They claim popularity and credit for something they didn't create (doesn't matter if the original writer is ok with it cuz he got bunch of money) and this is why I can't thoroughly enjoy the music.



The whole "era" of pop music I'm invalidating for you: Absolutely! It's one of the reasons I don't give a fck about mainstream pop music from the radio, but rather prefer not so popular bands where I can be (mostly) sure that they don't have the cash to hire some writers to create a hit album for them and therefore are at least highly involved into the creation process. Nothing wrong about if they get a little help or anything, but in no way I can appreciate something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungrateful_%28album%29 (look down at personnel, 6 external composers, wtf? just an example that came to mind first, album sucks anyway)



Look up the review thread for the album "The Best in Town" by The Blackout. Somebody found that they stole their most famous song from a small local band and then people worte they can't enjoy the song any more. So what's the difference if you leave out the legal issues but rather concentrate on the morality and "feel" behind it? Is it much different if The Blackout paid some money to the other band so they can use their song? It's still not theirs and that sucks.



Music is considered as art, especially on a site like sputnik where most people behave like elitists who hate on almost everything that can be found in the mainstream charts. Painting the Mona Lisa is creating art. Nailing it to a wall so others can stare at it is not. All of you can enjoy whatever you want. For me, when I know that the music I listen to was created by some guy in his cellar without giving a fuck what the song is about as long as he can sell it for some cash, I can't enjoy it. I can enjoy it to a certain degree, but some kind of bad aftertaste remains.

Lord(e)Po)))ts
August 22nd 2015


55828 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

tbh cyg just rekt the fuk out of u so hard that no one is ever gonna read your long ass reubttle

theBoneyKing
August 22nd 2015


18987 Comments


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Keyblade
August 22nd 2015


29229 Comments


who cares about how authentic or trve the musicians are, or what circumstances the song was created under. just listen to music for how it makes your ears feel man, jheez. this ain't a competition

klap
Staff Reviewer
August 22nd 2015


12308 Comments

Album Rating: 4.2

i'm pretty passionate when i'm belting my sharona at the karaoke bar

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JohnnyOnTheSpot
Emeritus
August 22nd 2015


6909 Comments


(*^-‘) 乃

deathschool
August 22nd 2015


25704 Comments


So, if someone writes a song, they should be the ones that have to play it? You do realize that puts a lot of people out of work right? Some songwriters want to write songs for other people. Some make a living off of it. Music is a collaborative process a good majority of the time. I don't know why you should limit the boundaries of those collaborations to "I better see whoever wrote this song on stage every time it is performed".

Gyromania
August 22nd 2015


30096 Comments


yeah great post cyg. i hate it when people resort to calling something bad or saying an artist lacks credibility or passion because they didn't write their own stuff, as if that somehow affects their enjoyment of the material.

Keyblade
August 22nd 2015


29229 Comments


reminds me of that Eddie Griffin joke

"who cares who the messenger is. did you get the message!?"

LoLifant
August 23rd 2015


1549 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

And in the next thread about some mainstream pop "artist" you guys are gonna hate again because they're no "real musicians" or whatever. Hypocrisy. I've explained everything in my "long ass rebuttal" and if you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend or just don't care, I don't give a fuck as well. But in case of the latter, don't argue against me if you don't bother reading the explanation.

Cygnatti
August 23rd 2015


33279 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Did you ever perhaps think that maybe people dont like mainstream pop

Because it sounds bad to them, regardless of who or how many people wrote it? Jfc

deathschool
August 23rd 2015


25704 Comments


Your rebuttal is just as ignorant as your original comment.

LoLifant
August 23rd 2015


1549 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Ignorant because people earn a living of writing music for others? Well so I have to like drugs because dealers gotta live of something, right?



There will always be enough people who enjoy music and don't care whether it was written buy some guy and then thrown onto Rihannas, Biebers, Ushers, etc. album as long as they pay enough. I'm not one of them and I have stated my reasons for it. If you think differently, that's fine. You started argueing against it in the first place so I wanted to make my point clear. I merely asked for a reply to my question what's the deal with all those listed composers. You can enjoy whatever you want.



Making music is a craft, creating it is art. That's how I see it.





Lord(e)Po)))ts
August 23rd 2015


55828 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

you seem to be under the wrong impression that only shitty pop singers ever have other people write songs for them but you would be wrong





Lord(e)Po)))ts
August 23rd 2015


55828 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

also you're fucking annoying



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