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Hyperion1001
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August 13th 2014


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listening to black metal for groove is like listening to death metal for clean vox

DungeonBoy
August 13th 2014


7943 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Been jammin this hard for the past couple of weeks and I definitely enjoy it. I respect stepping outside of the box but some of the parts detract from the overall feeling of the album (for me).



The generic melodeath riffs.

Those unnecessary sweeps that come out of nowhere.

The banjo parts.



That aside, the overall atmosphere here is incredible. The drums are also killer.

Wolfhorde
August 13th 2014


15380 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Except that that is a strawman. I implied I'd like a bit more work in the groove department, not somebody to Dennis Chambers it up.

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
August 13th 2014


19989 Comments


how so?

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
August 13th 2014


19989 Comments


well i just dont understand criticizing music for elements that arent really inherent to its genre. its like "wow i do hate this apple because its not an orange"

Wolfhorde
August 13th 2014


15380 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I don't see how that is even an argument, by that statement black metal in that sense doesn't even exist anymore. (referring to hype's statement)



That was for lack of a better word, call it whatever you want. Better drumming, more aptly used drumming - I don't care. (referring to Captain's statement)

Emyay
August 13th 2014


6282 Comments


drudkh has sweet drums

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
August 13th 2014


19989 Comments


I don't see how that is even an argument, by that statement black metal in that sense doesn't even exist anymore.


i dont understand your argument at all

DungeonBoy
August 13th 2014


7943 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Yeah but how awesome is The Long Road, II?

Wolfhorde
August 13th 2014


15380 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

You're saying listening to black metal for anything that isn't "inherent" to Black Metal would be nonsensical which makes no sense to me given the fact that "extrinsic" influences have long become a part of Black Metal. Unless you have a very specific idea of what "inherent" means in this context which would make question by what the determining factor here is.

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
August 13th 2014


19989 Comments


no, im saying that its a bit unfair to criticize something for what it isnt when it had no intention of being that thing. there are always going to be outliers, but expecting something of a work that had no intention of ever doing that thing is bad criticism.

its the same thing as be saying that an ambient album isnt good because it lacks beats. now there is lots of ambient music out there that does contain rhythmic sections, but criticizing the album because it doesnt have that isnt fair because its not necessarily a foundational element of the sound inherent to the genre.

i just dont see the point.

Wolfhorde
August 13th 2014


15380 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

That is a fair argument. But also one that does not at all address what I was getting at. (in this case if I said I'd like trumpets in BM then the analogy would fit)

Which, again - was simply a statement of preference in regards to less simplistic drumming alá Nocte Obducta, Deathspell Omega, Panopticon, Saor etc. And again, I never said I expect jazz-esque rhythm sections.

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
August 13th 2014


19989 Comments


the problem actually stems from the term "reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad". if you had said something along the lines of "i prefer BM with more groove/better drums" it wouldnt have really been a problem, thats personal preference.

but trying to turn the subjective (i like/dont like) into the objective (it is bad/good) never really sits well with me, especially with something like this.

Wolfhorde
August 13th 2014


15380 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I'm usually on the same side but I usually also don't get into reasonable arguments about this therefore not giving my phrasing much consideration. I'm well aware of the difference and can't stand uplifting bullshit to generalization in most situations, either.

lalchimiste
August 13th 2014


1124 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

drums are holy sweet. Where else can you find drums like these in bm?

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Hyperion1001
Emeritus
August 13th 2014


19989 Comments


its understandable, i find myself falling into that trap of "i dont like it=this sucks" sometimes too.


but i know you are apt to actually defend a position without being an idiot about it so i brought it
up ;)

Relinquished
August 13th 2014


45400 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

but guys I still have popcorn left

Wolfhorde
August 13th 2014


15380 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Well, yeah - the internet (particularly Sputnik) kinda intensifies carelessness and thinking "eh.. whatever".



I would almost guess we're both people that aren't afraid of "confrontation", something I admittedly find way too often go down the slippery slope of "confrontation = hostility".



"but guys I still have popcorn left"

WELL GUESS WHAT, GO WATCH A MOVIE AND ENJOY YOUR HIGH LIFE STANDARD YOU PSEUDO-SWEDE.

Relinquished
August 13th 2014


45400 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

MAYBE I WILL



AND WITH HIGH-LIFE-STANDARD-GRADE SWEDISH POPCORN

BigPleb
August 13th 2014


61383 Comments


sup wolfe

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