Burial Truant/Rough Sleeper
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TMobotron
January 3rd 2013


7253 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I heaven't heard anything Tobin has done since 2007 or so but yeah I doubt he should be tagged with that, though I'd have to actually listen to his newest stuff to be sure.

Wolfhorde
January 3rd 2013


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I believe it had to do with the use of actual electronic effects but I'm not entirely sure.

Nah, I'm not saying he IS being tagged that I'm just saying I don't want to know what term people could come up with for Tobin's music when he himself already refuses giving his music any tags. Even with his more straight forward stuff under the Two Fingers moniker.

TMobotron
January 3rd 2013


7253 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

What makes something dubstep and not just 2 step garage?




Well since dubstep is a hybrid of 2-step garage and dub, obviously having dub elements makes something closer to dubstep. It's usually most obvious in traditional dubstep basslines, but a lot of dubstep stuff has that whole dub reggae aesthetic as well. A lot of digital mystikz stuff does that



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmwzYkeIi_w



And the big deep dub basslines are all over the place. But that crazy shuffling percussion is more garage-rooted (you'd never hear percussion like that in a dub track).



But for more garagey stuff, take Untrue for example:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDblKjCIRjI



The percussion is obviously taken from 2-step, but the big swelling basslines and dark urban aesthetic isn't something you see in 2-step, which is more commonly aimed at the dancefloor vs. the head-nodding introspective style of dubstep. It isn't always black and white though, and dubstep has obviously evolved to become its own thing, so it isn't quite just dub + 2-step = dubstep anymore, but that IS how the roots of the genre were formed.

Tyrael
January 3rd 2013


21108 Comments


'I've never fully understood the dub part in dubstep though.'

I think you need to listen to some dub then

May I suggest Lee 'Scratch' Perry's Arkology compilation?

anarchistfish
January 3rd 2013


30310 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Might listen maybe



The reason and Leaving came together last minute. I made Leaving in my hotel room in mexico and just finished the Reason an hour ago in my hotel room in miami.




Wouldn't be at all surprised if he goes back to the wubs cos this possibly seems more of a small detour than a major shift in direction

Tyrael
January 3rd 2013


21108 Comments


Brostep is already dying and Sonny knows it

dont think he's gonna bring back the wubs and make himself into a one trick pony

TMobotron
January 3rd 2013


7253 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I mean 2/3 of the EP was wubs

Wolfhorde
January 3rd 2013


15387 Comments


"Brostep is already dying"
Maybe.

"and Sonny knows it"
Doesn't mean he's going to stop doing it.

anarchistfish
January 3rd 2013


30310 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

This isn't dubstep fool. At MOST it's drumstep but it's more techno than anything


Wolfhorde
January 3rd 2013


15387 Comments


wut

anarchistfish
January 3rd 2013


30310 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

quote



I'm still looking through those comments

TMobotron
January 3rd 2013


7253 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Haha that one has to be a troll

clercqie
January 3rd 2013


6525 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Fuck me, that Skrillex song is hilarious.

StrangerofSorts
Emeritus
January 3rd 2013


2904 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Yeh that Skrillex track is awful - the guy obviously does not understand what he's trying to imitate.



Back to "Future Garage": from my understanding it isn't a dubstep-specific term, more a general description of more forward thinking urban electronic music. Basically it helps connect a singular style that may be present in many separate genres already (so dubstep, garage etc.).

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 3rd 2013


32289 Comments

Album Rating: 3.6

Both terms especially FG have been adopted by a lot of people who aren't necessarily trying to look clever, but just actually think those are different things. FG has been adopted pretty heavily actually, but it's usually just forward-thinking dubstep. It's usually the more layered atmospheric stuff (burial, clubroot, swarms, etc.) that leans a bit more to the garage side.




This isn't actually correct



Back to "Future Garage": from my understanding it isn't a dubstep-specific term, more a general description of more forward thinking urban electronic music. Basically it helps connect a singular style that may be present in many separate genres already (so dubstep, garage etc.).




Neither is this (and what do you mean by strictly "urban" music?)



It's a term coined by Whistla, the guy who runs L2S records. And he created it as a way to describe the garage music that he and his crew were making - specifically that full blooded garage music was being made again, seeing as how the genre died a pretty boring death at the turn of the century. The controversy surrounding the tag was that "if you're making garage music, then it's garage, What's so "futuristic" about it? The response was that it's "atmospheric" garage music. Think:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7XOkyiTaEg



What makes something dubstep and not just 2 step garage?




I have actually had this conversation with you before

robertsona
Staff Reviewer
January 3rd 2013


27412 Comments


rough sleeper is one of my fav burial songs

TMobotron
January 4th 2013


7253 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Sure thats how it started but its still used to describe way more than that. I see that term tossed onto more dubstep releases than the term dubstep lately.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 4th 2013


32289 Comments

Album Rating: 3.6

Yeah but as we all know, most people don't really know anything. People might use it to describe other stuff, but that's what it is and why it was created

klap
Emeritus
January 4th 2013


12409 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

this was ok

mindleviticus
January 4th 2013


10486 Comments


rough sleeper is one of my fav burial songs

Rough Sleeper makes Truant look like shit. Truant - 3.25/5 , Rough Sleeper - 4.5/5



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