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204409
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November 13th 2007


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

If you're being serious




I wasn't. I was making fun of the fact that a lot of people throw around the term and can identify it by ear, but apply it way more liberally than it should be.

botb
November 13th 2007


17769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Lol, well now i feel like a moron for typing all that up.



CHEERS! :D



and since i'm a drummer, and can personally play songs with blast beats (I.E. Arsis and stuff like that), please don't think I'm one of those people just throwing around the term. XDThis Message Edited On 11.12.07

Thor
November 13th 2007


10354 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Ire Works is just sort of poopy by comparison.


Probably could have picked a better word. :lol:

botb
November 13th 2007


17769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

[quote]Quote:

Ire Works is just sort of poopy by comparison.





Probably could have picked a better word. [/quote]



stooly ftw?This Message Edited On 11.12.07

204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

No there is no better word choice there.

204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

[quote=myself being going to wikipedia.com]I'm right between a 2 and a 2.5 but after reading a bunch of positive reviews on other websites I figured I'd even out the playing field by rounding down[/quote]



Wow I didn't realize how positive the reviews were until I went here.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ire_Works

SubtleDagger
November 13th 2007


737 Comments


Why did you not use "Dire Works" as the summary seriously

204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

It was between Mire Works, Tired Works, and Dire Works obviously. Also I was thinking that intended reading of the album title was "works of anger" but if you treat "works" as a verb as in, "hey using blastbeats works pretty well on that song" it's sort of funny. Like, oh ya being brutal and bring the shred works pretty well, go DEP!

botb
November 13th 2007


17769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I agree with the Panasonic Youth pt. 2 thing. Every song I heard on here just made me think of that track.

204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Oh wow I just thought up a better headline.

botb
November 13th 2007


17769 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

hahah very nice.

Thor
November 13th 2007


10354 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I think "Tired Works" is the best

SubtleDagger
November 13th 2007


737 Comments


143% Bad



204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Hey Subtle, out of curiosity what's your reaction to this album other than witty humorjokes about possible headlines.

SubtleDagger
November 13th 2007


737 Comments


Everything I've heard has sucked miserably and I would say i heard about half the album
It just depresses me to listen to them suck that bad so i generally can't make it much farther than that

204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I feel like everyone who was around for Irony Is a Dead Scene or earlier is just scratching his/her head.

SubtleDagger
November 13th 2007


737 Comments


It's just because Chris was the most important member of the band
The most interesting stuff on any of their albums is the drumwork, even when Patton was with them he couldn't outshine how nuts Chris was
And CI obviously was all about the drums

Tyler
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Chris was important because of how much he contributed to the songwriting, too. Plus he did most if not all of the electronics (correct me if I'm wrong), and they sound so forced on this as a result.

204409
Emeritus
November 13th 2007


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

One aspect of CI that turned me off was that even though the drum work was insane from a technical standpoint, it felt colorless. Sometimes the other instruments suffered from this too. Because there are only vague tonal connections to the modes of limited transposition (hexatonic, octatonic, whole tone, etc.) that they love using instead of traditional tonal and modal ones, the sounds mush together a little bit. They sound foreign but the dissonance cannot be resolved in traditional fashions because there is a non-traditional tonality. In this way, the pitch-based content of CI is sometimes aurally directionless when repeated. This results in a lack of color. The drums too have this problem but from a rhythmic perspective. Since it's difficult to "catch" the more traditional concepts that are being played with in the rhythmic structures, the direction of the drumming is muddled. The result is obviously valuable in its right - the playing is ridiculously inventive and insane - but at the same time it loses it salient properties, not unlike a tonal gesture being drowned out by octatonic scales repeated ad infinitum, which happens a lot on CI. Miss Machine definitely balanced those two worlds out I think and produced an awesome result, though somewhat at the sacrifice at what I'll call the "insanity" of DEP. This album though goes way too much for "color" in all regards and really loses its visceral punch. The color is slapstick in the way the technicality could be slapstick on CI. Maybe their most balanced work in terms of the things I'm discussing is Irony Is a Dead Scene with Miss Machine as a close second.

pixiesfanyo
November 13th 2007


1223 Comments


CI is the best. There is no arguments. Burt and I share similar views on this album like most things.



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