Deftones
White Pony


3.5
great

Review

by Bwgrotha1s USER (30 Reviews)
June 9th, 2015 | 24 replies


Release Date: 2000 | Tracklist

Review Summary: The Deftones third major-label release from Maverick does the inevitable in expanding the group's soundscape successfully to allow for a promising sense of a diverse future.

Turntablist/Samplist/Keyboardist Frank Delgado may have been credited as a guest, featured on several tracks throughout Deftones’ satisfyingly defined second full release from Maverick Records, but his presence is borderline noticeable. In addition to his lack of prevalent airtime, the competence and creativity of that record stemmed from low, raw, and heavy guitar riffs and bass licks, surprisingly fitting mid-tempo drumming from Abe Cunningham, blood curdling screeches on “Rickets,” of Chino Moreno to his warm crooning on single “Be Quiet and Drive.”

Delgado gets his official initiation as a Deftone prior to the writing and recording of the group’s third record with Maverick, “White Pony,” set to release in 2000. With the label pressure doubling on the band from “Around the Fur’s” success, the group decision in the writing process was to incorporate plenty of input from Delgado. Guitarist Stephen Carpenter claimed, “We’re getting told we have to reach out a little more to a bigger crowd, and we think Frank will help us mix things up you know? Mix up what Deftones is.” Delgado’s ideas included a number of things that a number of the band’s members mostly agreed on. Some of these propositions included softening up the band’s tone as a whole; not in any intention to eliminate their spot in the alternative metal scene, but to expand their overall soundscape.

Thankfully Delgado prevails, mostly at least. Exceptions include the 50/50 fan split “Teenager,” a track that some may find droning and irritating while others may view as a nice change of pace. Ultimately however, every other element within the group pales in comparison to its corresponding performance on, “Around The Fur,” (Guitar, Drums, Bass, Lyrics, Vocals, the whole nine yards). This is in no way implying the group’s creativity has dropped in those fields, but to task themselves with incorporating more of Delgado’s contributions means finding a proper backdrop that fits well.

“White Pony’s” creativity most certainly doesn’t go un-noticed, and most of tracks that play cross-over do succeed and keeping Deftones, the Deftones. Opener “Feiteiceira,” runs a very unconventional structure, with no definite verse or chorus present, but stays in a steady time-signature that speeds, slows, and hypnotizes the listener until Moreno chants “Soon, this will be all over, well I hope soon…she said ‘Soon I’ll let you go’.” Cuts like “Rx Queen,” and “Change,” succeed most in the group’s attempt at a wider mainstream cross-over; again retaining plenty of key signature Deftone elements.

The sheer brilliance comes across strictly through, “Passenger,” a touchy but un-skippable track featuring Maynard James Keenan of Tool, and the closer, “Pink Maggit,”; a beautifully dreadful closer that stems just over seven and a half minutes, composed of a slow, intriguing, three minute intro, that transitions to a distorted and chaotic screech and ultimately bursting into a bludgeoning riff that one can only praise the group for how many times they choose to recite it in the final album cut.

All-in-all, White Pony exhibits an array of newfound strong-suits that the Deftones build upon for future releases, as well as a mostly successful cross-over into a more radio-ready territory (all whilst retaining a notable and lovable signature sound).
What’s wrong with “White Pony?” One can’t go after the Deftones for trying new things, especially when they worked out in the majority, but in no way, is this record the record it would have to be, to surpass the artistry and timelessness of its predecessor, “Around the Fur.” This isn’t a stab in the stomach to the record at all, but without much of Delgado’s assistance on the ATF, The Deftones relied solely on countless addictive riffs, un-predictable yet delightfully surprising turns, and a majestic rawness that makes it one of the most re-playable records.

“White Pony,” is great. The Deftones still crush their competition with gifted songwriting. But “White Pony,” isn’t nearly as timeless as its predecessor. On top of that, future Deftones’ releases would prove to make better use of Delgado’s additions, which is proof enough why this record isn’t by any means the group’s best work. But it is the record that opens many doors for the future creative conduits that the Deftones utilize with brilliance. Without this record, there would be a lot missing from what we know and love about this group today.



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tempest--
June 9th 2015


20257 Comments


"The Deftones" neg

tempest--
June 9th 2015


20257 Comments


most of your criticism of this album is "it's not Around the Fur" which is stupid because no, it's not Around the Fur, it's White Pony. if you actually analysed this album on what it is and its merits then it could be a decent review, but you didn't and it's not.

tempest--
June 9th 2015


20257 Comments


well, it's not a bad review, I mean it's grammatically and structurally sound and everything, but yea what you've actually written is mostly pretty dumb.

SomeGuyDude
June 9th 2015


215 Comments


Gotta agree with the above. I don't see any actual discussion here other than "it's different and I don't like that."

MattTD
June 9th 2015


665 Comments


Raahhh I like Around The Fur as much as the next guy but I don't use it as a sole judging point for other Deftones albums

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
June 9th 2015


13898 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

This is the review I'd have written back in 2001 - but while Around the Fur is my personal favourite for many of the reasons listed above I do think some of the later albums (inc WP) are at about the same quality level

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Apollo
June 9th 2015


10670 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

"Delgado gets his official initiation as a Deftone"



neg

Kronzo
June 9th 2015


1303 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"Delgado gets his official initiation as a Deftone"







neg [2]

beefshoes
June 9th 2015


6824 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I always wanted to be a deftone when I grew up

Mort.
Contributing Reviewer
June 9th 2015


12846 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I didnt mean to comment

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Zifteruften
June 9th 2015


194 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

hey, the review ain't bad, it's well structured and grammatically correct, but the arguments that try to solidify the reviewer's position aren't that plausible either.



this review can be summed up in one phrase: "it's not like around the fur".

Mongi123
Contributing Reviewer
June 9th 2015


18624 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Why do you put so much of an emphasis on Delgado here so much? As you said, he's borderline noticeable so why talk about it so much? Also as Tempest said, it's not a terrible review, but I would appreciate so ideas as to why ATF is so timeless and this isn't.

Tunaboy45
June 9th 2015


15139 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

God I love this album

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BAT
June 9th 2015


292 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

review reads like it was written for school, but yeah around the fur is better than white pony pos'd.

Lambda
June 9th 2015


2654 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

"a steady time-signature that speeds, slows,"



What?



Terrible review.

beefshoes
June 9th 2015


6824 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Let's be honest, ATF is pretty weak by Deftones' standard.

It isn't a good representation of the band's sound.

Bwgrotha1s
June 12th 2015


56 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

When people post three comments in a row, assume (ATF is only a judging point to the extent that it's a better record..), and nit-pick at word-choice, it is tough to hear them out, f.y.i. And believe me I have "heard them out" before.





Relinquished
June 12th 2015


36020 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

lame album

Relinquished
June 12th 2015


36020 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

"ATF is pretty weak by Deftones' standard.



It isn't a good representation of the band's sound."



does that even matter? it's their best sound

FearThyEvil
June 12th 2015


15134 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Got free tickets to see these guys with Incubus August 8th. Pretty stoked



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