Nonpoint
Vengeance


2.5
average

Review

by Magnus Altkula STAFF
February 7th, 2010 | 40 replies


Release Date: 2007 | Tracklist

Review Summary: While not a bad album through and through, Vengeance proves to be the black sheep of Nonpoint's discography

Let me start this review by saying that Vengeance is most definitely Nonpoint's weakest album. With that said, I also feel the record is a bit misunderstood. Nonpoint is a band that literally has never put out the same album twice. When they started out in 1997 with their independently released LP Separate Yourself they were an aggressive nu/groove/alt metal band. Separate Yourself was something like Roots-era Sepultura would sound like, except with more slow bass parts and relatively catchy choruses. After re-releasing the album under Jugular Records (this time they named it Struggle) in 1999, Nonpoint started working on their sophomore effort that would eventually grant them the status of being one of the best the nu metal genre has to offer. Statement is to date one of the better pure-blooded nu metal records. It includes heavy, crunchy guitars, great vocals (Elias is a good screamer but also has soulful cleans to match), solid build-ups, that prevent any of the tracks from sounding like filler, and finally and most importantly, Statement has great replay value - a thing so many other nu metal albums lack.

Statement really lived up to its name, earning Nonpoint the reputation of being one of the best nu metal acts, both live and on record. But that was only the beginning. 2002's Development showed the more melodic and calm side of Nonpoint and was a stepping stone of sorts to Recoil, that many believe is the band's magnum opus. It's not hard to see why, either. Driving, heavy guitars, fierce drumming, perfect length, solid vocals, a great Phil Collins cover, I could go on, but I believe you all get the point. While I still prefer Statement as my favorite Nonpoint cd - because of its rawer nature and unbelievable energy (just listen to Hive and Tribute - those make me want to mosh harder than most Death metal albums you throw at me) - Recoil, sound-wise, is what most nu metal should sound like. After Recoil though, the slight downfall begun. To The Pain - being the heaviest record Nonpoint has ever put out - was a great album, but it lacked the soulful delivery of past records. Also, it had some filler which was almost nonexistent on other Nonpoint albums. Sure, "Alive and Kicking" and "Skin" remain as one of the band's best songs to date, but songs like "Code Red" and "Wrong Before" also count as one of the worst.

Quite inconspicuously the year 2007 arrived, and so did Nonpoint's 6th studio album, titled Vengeance. It's rather surprising, that after releasing their heaviest album to date, the band decided to make an almost 180 degree turn and record an album that was their first to sound more like gritty hard rock, rather than fist pumping nu metal. One could infer that Vengeance is another stepping stone in Nonpoint's career, leading them to a rock direction. Or then again, it might just (arguably) be the only Nonpoint album to turn out rather weak.

They say you can't judge a book by its cover. Sadly, this saying does not apply to Vengeance. The cover is quite a monstrosity, and while the album itself isn't as bad, it isn't anything to cream over either. The main problem Vengeance has is its ultimate repetitiveness. At first, the grooving guitarlines and Elias' gruff, mid-range vocals sound rather refreshing, but long before the album hits halfway mark, they become tedious. All in all that's quite a sad aspect, because it's the second half of Vengeance that sounds good. The album massively picks up starting from track 7, "Hands Off", but it might already be too late for some then. Its tracks like "Hands Off", "A Way Out", "Witness" and "Everybody Down" that utilize the groovy guitars and mid-paced cymbal/bass/snare drum patterns best. The first half of the album isn't bad per se, but its way too same-sounding. With a little more experimentation and variation, Vengeance could have been a solid appendage to Nonpoint's discography, but instead, it now stands out as the black sheep.

Another thing that brings this album down is Elias' overall effort. Both the vocals and lyrics sound blunt, especially the vocals - 12 tracks about how the world has wronged Elias, sung in an exclusively obtuse manner, is a little much to handle. An example from the song "A Way Out": Did I make this clear to you/You deserve to fight the way I've had to/What if they took your pride, respect, your life, your blood, your sweat, your tears, Your lies, your fears, your wife, your kids, your mind, you did!. Now compare them to the lyrics from "Change Your Mind": I hope you've said your last goodbyes/And all your hoping to see my demise/Is only causing me to rise/You can try hard, hard as you can you're never gonna bring me down/You're gonna fight but I’m gonna win you're never gonna bring me down. Now foresee there are 10 more tracks with lyrics all too similar to those two songs. Listening to Vengeance, mostly thanks to the lyrics and vocals, is ultimately very tiresome.

There are some brighter lyrical cuts here and there, but most of them are ruined by awful choruses (see: "A Way Out"; "Breathe"). The only exception to this rule is the song "Everybody Down”, which works as an exact opposite, exhibiting terrible verse lyrics, but a good, fist pumping chorus. It's actually the best song on the whole album, having a really crazed, yet fun feel to it.

Soon after this album was released, the founding member of Nonpoint, guitarist Andrew Goldman left. Was that a sign how unsatisfied he was with the direction Nonpoint was going is only known by him, and possibly by the band too, but his departure was definitely a big blow to Nonpoint. Now, with a new guitarist Zach Broderick, Nonpoint are in the process of recording a follow-up to Vengeance. The studio reports have been very promising so far, and a return to form is, at the moment, expected. I personally am eager to hear new Nonpoint material, and if the new album turns out the same caliber as Statement and Recoil were, the little mishap with Vengeance can easily be forgotten.

Vengeance isn't a bad album through and through, and it definitely has some great songs, but its repetitiveness and lazy style are rather off-putting. If this album is just another stepping stone for Nonpoint, it can easily be forgiven, but if it's of any indication where the band is heading with their sound, the so called "haters" might just be right - Nonpoint had their fun with Recoil, but are now past their prime and should consider retiring. Here's to hoping that Vengeance was just a small mis-step, and that Nonpoint can fully redeem themselves with their upcoming, yet to be titled 2010 album.


Recommended songs:
"Hands Off"
"A Way Out"
"Everybody Down"
"What I Do Best"
"Witness"



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Romulus
February 7th 2010


8441 Comments


I think you recced these guys to me ages ago. What other bands are they similar to? Good review too.

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Look at the reco by reviewer section ;)

Romulus
February 7th 2010


8441 Comments


I could've SWORN that wasn't there two seconds ago

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

hahaha, well I can easily swear back that it was

Crysis
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


16434 Comments


Good review, although I'm not a fan of this band really.

Digging: Swallowed - Lunarterial

renegadestrings
February 7th 2010


1450 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

this album was such a huge disappointment for me. I was a huge nonpoint fan back in the day, and To The Pain set my expectations very high.
you were too easy on this, but good review. Hands Off and When It's Over are decent and I completely agree with Everybody Down... the verses blow, but what an awesome chorus

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

thanks Crysis

renegadestrings - yeah I was also quite unhappy with this, but it grew on me over time and I do like all the songs I recommended. Don't really fancy When It's Over much though; I think the album should've closed with Everybody Down.

Still, I'm really really really looking forward to their upcoming album

renegadestrings
February 7th 2010


1450 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

also i think it would have been a good idea to mention how awful the production is on this album

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

I actually don't mind the production. It's pretty standard fare - nothing too flashy, but it doesn't bother me either. Besides, this review is already over 2 word pages, and I didn't want to stretch it too long.

Still, I agree that it is their worst produced album since Separate Yourself/Struggle (they are the same album, just wear a different name)

Ponton
Emeritus
February 7th 2010


5803 Comments


Nice, detailed and pretty lengthy review, which isn't a bad thing.

I can't get into these guys. "Bullet With A Name On It" (I think that's what it was called) was fairly catchy though.

fromtheinside
February 7th 2010


18717 Comments


BULLET with a name on it, BULLET WITH A NAME...

Digging: Devin Townsend Project - Z2

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

can't get into these guys. "Bullet With A Name On It" (I think that's what it was called) was fairly catchy though
Firstly, let me express my sadness over the first part of your sentence hahahaha. As for teh second half, "Bullet With A Name On It" has a relatively catchy chorus, but the guitar tone on it is anything but catchy. To The Pain (where "Bullet..." is from) is definitely a very aquired taste. Have you tried anything else by them?

Ponton
Emeritus
February 7th 2010


5803 Comments


I briefly listened to Recoil on a stream through myspace.

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

hmm, I think you should give them a more focused shot haha. Try Development for starters. It's quite catchy and their most accessible record. It's not too long either, so if you turn out disliking it - no real harm done.



Ponton
Emeritus
February 7th 2010


5803 Comments


Alright, I guess I should definitely give it a go. When does the new one drop?

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

well, an unconfirmed date of April 27 is floating around the webs. On their official homepage it just says "Spring 2010"

EDIT: scrap that, it actually is April 27 and the album is titled Miracle. Should prolly put in a newspost about it

ThePalestMexican
February 7th 2010


2816 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Another awesome review, and FINALLY! someone points out the horrible...horrible cover. Oh well, "Everybody Down" is actually a good song, this album isn't their brightest moment however.

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

thanks man, appreciated. Yeah Everybody Down is great, as is Hands Off and Witness, but others range from good ("What I do Best" and "A Way Out") to just terrible ("Wake Up World" and "Bring Me Down")

Wizard
February 7th 2010


19508 Comments


both live and on record

I've seen too many nu-metal bands live and I can honestly say these guys put on a great show.

One could infer that Vengeance is another stepping stone in Nonpoint's career, leading them to a rock direction.

This is why this band really sucks now.

Good review, I liked your cross reference of lyrics to get your point across. Effective!

Digging: Godflesh - A World Lit Only By Fire

Metalstyles
Staff Reviewer
February 7th 2010


8371 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Well, yeah, I also hope that they bring some of that old Statement flavour back with their upcoming album. Or at least that punch they had on Recoil. I just hope that Vengeance was a small mis-step, because I'd hate to see one of my favourite bands turn into crap.

Thank you for your kind words about the review as always Karl



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