Wintersun
Wintersun


3.0
good

Review

by Interviewer/surveyer USER (1 Reviews)
May 20th, 2008 | 60 replies


Release Date: 2004 | Tracklist

Review Summary: Pretty disappointed, but not surprised. Great Musicianship, familiar song structures and instrumentation. Couldn't be more perfectly average.

I usually feel compelled to write reviews after reading a review for an album I feel wasn't given a proper rating. This is one of those occasions. When you read an album review that is (A) given a perfect 5 rating, and (B) compared to one of your favorite bands (in this case Opeth) most people feel compelled to give that certain band a try. And I did just that. This morning I went to UPS and picked up my six c.d.'s I ordered. (Protest the Hero-Kezia, Cryptopsy-None So Vile, Planet X-Quantum, Meshuggah-Chaosphere, and Necrophagist-Epitaph were the others if you even care) I probably threw this album in second behind Planet X, and after only a mere 15 seconds of [b]Beyond the Dark Sun[B/]I knew this would be a letdown. I should have known though. I met up with one of my friends last Wednesday at Progressive Nation after Opeth got done playing and asked him, “Hey, did you end up checking out Wintersun?” Mike replied, “yeah, they sound like Children of Bodom”. Now, in the back of my head I did a [i]“goddammit!!”[I/], but I tried stayed positive. After all, CoB isn't that bad, are they?

My first and biggest problem with this band is they don't have any musical ideas of how they are going to separate themselves from everybody else. The song structures and musical sections all sound too familiar. For example, the opening riff in [b]Beyond the Dark Sun[B/] while a cool riff, could just as easily be a riff used in many other metal bands and I wouldn't know the difference. And the riffs aren't the only thing that is generic. The drummer does a standard faster beat, which probably wasn't a good idea seeing how it only further propelled the song into my “forgettable” category. And thats one thing this band is lacking. Even when [b]Chuck Shuldiner[B/] (Death) wrote a sub-par riff and put it in his song, [b]Gene Hoglan[B/] or [b]Richard Cristie[B/] would step in and usually accent the drums to make the riff and part as a whole more interesting. Thats something these guys don't really do, and thats why they'll never be a great metal band. Another prime example would be in [b]Starchild[B/] about 3:25 into the song, the vocalist begins to sing/talk over very basic music, and it just seems very bland and not thought out. And there isn't really anything noteworthy to mention before or after that section either.

I always like to critique individual members, and I'll start with easily the most lacking part of this band (and most metal bands), the bass. It's important for me to note that Jari Maenpaa (vocals/guitar) played bass on this album. But that still doesn't excuse for the lack of bass or thought put into the instrument. I'm sick of hearing metal bands that pass off this instrument as expendable. Honestly, how well the bassist plays and the mixing of bass on an album is usually a tell-tale sign of how good a band is and how much they put in their music.

Vocal-wise, Jari isn't terrible, he definitely likes the higher pitched, Black metal approach, and I like that I can understand what he is saying about 47% of the time, which is much better than the 13.2% of the time I can understand what the average metal vocalist is saying. And he can actually sing decently too, but only decently. On the track [b]Death and the Healing[B/], Jari throws in some vocal melodies at around the 2-3 minutes mark that I can actually stomach.

The Keyboards are also done by Jari, and they mostly just add an ambient atmosphere, and Jari does a decent job at it. As far as the guitar work goes, it is definitely tight, but there isn't much substance. There are basically a ton of epic “metal” riffs, if you get what I mean. However, and I do mean how***INGever, I did stumble upon one of the best guitar solos of all time on this album. About 4 minutes into [b]Death and the Healing[B/], a dual guitar melody creeps through, and fades out with Jari coming into a breathtaking lead, which is quite oriental sounding, with very aggressive sliding going on. This goes on for about 15 seconds, and then a Dimebagesque part ambushes the oriental feel, only to end off with more oriental slideage. Truly a breathtaking solo, more than I expected to hear by far.

Kai Hahto executes all of his fills and beats well and does a decent job in the skill facet of drumming, but creatively he's a bore. I don't remember hearing anything that made me want to rewind and catch what he was doing, the only thing the drums made want to do is focus on the guitar more.

If I had to touch on the good points of this album, I'd say if anything this is a straight-up fun listen. You're not going to find anything (outside the amazing solo I mentioned earlier) that will send shivers up your spine, but if you want good musicianship and uplifting tempos, check these guys out. They're no Death, Opeth, or Necrophagist, but if you like powermetalish music with some black metal vocals sprinkled in for good measure, these guys might leave you with a smile on your face.

[u]pros[U/]

good musicianship
versatile singer
The solo in “Death and Healing”

[u]Cons[U/]

wheres the bass?
Drumming is average
structure is too standard
too predictable

Final Verdict = 6.28/10


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Slaytan
May 20th 2008


1186 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

The coding is wrong. It's [b] [ / b ]. Without the spaces.

CoB isn't that bad, are they?
They are now.This Message Edited On 05.20.08

SCREAM!
May 20th 2008


10340 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Not a bad review but i disagree. And fix that coding please

HighandDriving
May 20th 2008


3288 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

^Ditto

I'd take out the pros and cons and incoporate them into your review, unless they are already mentioned.

Cesar
May 20th 2008


2732 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I agree with some points of your review, but i think you were to hard on this and didn't give it enough credit, plus this album was a grower for me so it might grow more on you.

and of course the coding

Hawks
May 20th 2008


35838 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

This album is definitely much better than a 3. I dont know how anyone could give this album that low of a rating.

Thor
May 20th 2008


10202 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Saying the drumming is average in this review = autofail

SCREAM!
May 20th 2008


10340 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I relistened to this and was thinking the same

Sound
May 20th 2008


3904 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

What Thor said.

Eakflanderyof
May 20th 2008


2143 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Good review but lots of innaccurate "opinions." First and foremost, this band sounds NOTHING like Children of Bodom first of all. I really don't understand the comparison. Secondly, it's kind of impossible for 7-10 minute songs to have standard structures. This album is far from having predictable and standard song structures. Thirdly, there are lots of interesting drum fills here. Fourth, really nobody cares about bass in metal. Sure, you can debate that he put it in the album so it should be stellar, but seriously you can't even hear it and spicy bass just wouldn't be right here. Last, this band is sooo above Necrophagist. The lasting value here alone kills Necrophagist one-dimensional style.

Oh yeah, and no mention of Beautiful Death is auto-failure. But in all seriousness, good review. I just really disagree and it feels kinda like you popped this album in one time and reviewed it.

fireaboveicebelow
May 20th 2008


6837 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

blasphemy! did you listen to it more than once, if that? I'll refrain from voting...

botb
May 20th 2008


9760 Comments


couldn't disagree more.

Digging: Solstafir - tta

Wizard
May 20th 2008


19612 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Pretty disappointed, but not surprised.

This doesn't really make sense. Were you expecting to be surprised?

Mike replied, “yeah, they sound like Children of Bodom”.

Get some new friends.

The song structures and musical sections all sound too familiar.

Fail.

Drumming is average
structure is too standard
too predictable

Fail.

The whole first paragraph can be eliminated. Coding needs to be fixed. This review reaks of a "one-time listen and your mind is made up". Sorry dude, I know this is your first review, but learn to actually give albums a few listens through and time to sink in before hand.


This Message Edited On 05.20.08

Digging: Hans Zimmer - Interstellar

Thor
May 20th 2008


10202 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Oh just for the record Sadness and Hate is one of the best songs ever.

Interviewer/surveyer
May 20th 2008


20 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

yeah, I think (outside my coding error)my review was fine, everybody just disagrees with it.

I really think this is generic stuff, the guitar riffs are good and so is the drumming, they just don't do anything to separate themselves from "the pack". You guys are right though, I did only listen to the album a little before doing the review, but I only see my rating changing at most to a 3.5

Thor
May 20th 2008


10202 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I'd say Jari definitely separates himself from the pack by being an exceptional guitar player, and an even more exceptional songwriter.

Interviewer/surveyer
May 20th 2008


20 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

disagree. He is a great guitar player, but his songs aren't that great, which is how I feel about most guitar players. Yeah, you can play good, but can you write a great song? Jari can't. He writes a bunch of good to mediocre stuff.This Message Edited On 05.20.08

Thor
May 20th 2008


10202 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

There's a lot of people on here who are going to disagree. And even if this wasn't enough, his work with Ensiferum, while not being quite as good, is still pretty kick ass.

AngelPhoenix
May 20th 2008


2764 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I'm sorta on the fence. I really like this album, but at the same time, I still don't get why it drives so many people nuts.

Interviewer/surveyer
May 20th 2008


20 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

Thor, I know a lot of people are going to disagree, thats why I did the review.

Slaytan
May 20th 2008


1186 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

So, can you fix the coding?



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