Cave In
Until Your Heart Stops


2.0
poor

Review

by GleamInRanks USER (16 Reviews)
May 28th, 2007 | 69 replies | 17,717 views


Release Date: 1998 | Tracklist

Review Summary: The debut album from Cave In is different than anything else they have ever done. Originality is shown throughout but many of the heavier sections just become a chore to listen to.

2 of 14 thought this review was well written

A musical metamorphosis if there ever was one, Cave In has certainly turned their back on the hardcore and metal roots that they once possessed and traded them in for an atmospheric rock sound with the release of Jupiter. The only remaining trait of Cave In's early sound is the spacey effects and moods that made them stand out from many other acts. Possible reasons for the change could easily be wanting to become accessible to a wider audience, to make more money and all the other added perks of "selling out". Strangely, however, in my years of listening to Cave In I have yet to find a single person who believes that this band has "sold out". Cave In were still able to advance their musicianship and songwriting ability despite the evolution and so "selling out" never came into question. The shift from Until Your Heart Stops and Jupiter was masterfully and tastefully done even though I could barely tell that it was same band with the exact same members. For this daunting task and refusal to stay the same, Cave In should be praised.

A look back at their first full length, Until Your Heart Stops (Beyond Hypothermia was a collection songs from splits and 7"s I believe) it is obvious that the band was still trying to find their definite sound. The album feels very underdeveloped compared to Cave In's later albums. The first time I listened to Until Your Heart Stops I was confused to the direction the band was trying to take with their songs and for the life of me, I still can't find one.While the technical ability of all the musicians is fantastic, the songwriting is premature and is forced to take a back seat. I noticed that throughout this album that some of the sections felt like they were just placed in there just for the song to seem different, cut and paste feeling if you will. Even if some passages sounded like they were forced into the songs, they surely were an interesting listen, they just weren't executed as well as in later albums such as Jupiter. I can somewhat see the qualities that constitutes Until Your Heart Stops as being a classic such as the undoubted creativity in the generic realm of hardcore/metalcore, but creative music doesn't have to be good, it is just means that they are different.

Listening to the first ten seconds of 'Moral Eclipse' made me realize that, like their fellow Bostonians, Converge, these boys listened to Slayer, and it shows. This blunt influence doesn't translate that well into Cave In's sound as well as you would hope or think. This contributes to the faulty songwriting found on the album. As I said before, Until Your Heart Stops contains a cut and paste feel found on most of the tracks with no real transitions. Generic metal riffs and breakdowns are the basis for songs such as 'Terminal Deity' with the intriguing spacey passages that Cave In has become known and loved for that are few and far in between. 'Halo of Flies' follows a similar pattern to that of 'Terminal Deity' but with a sludgier sound. Crazy sounding phaser effects on the cymbals shows the bands excellent utilization of effects, something Cave In has always been good at. The songs suddenly shifts between a Jupiter-esque section with Brodsky's smooth vocals and a metal onslaught with his not so smooth screaming. 'Ebola', like most of the songs, doesn't offer an exciting experience. The math-core approach to the song becomes slightly boring despite it's best efforts. The only worthwhile section of the song is a passage that resembles a daydream with the loftiness that accompanies it. But as the rest of the album is a sure indicator, all good things must come to an abrupt end. Ruining what 'Ebola' had going for itself, chugging progressions and more mathy riffs make you snap out of the dreamy trance. More of the same follow with 'Controlled Mayhem Then Erupts' but this track drags on way too long, to a staggering fourteen minutes but nine minutes of that is ambient noises that give way to machine-like samples.

The best tracks Until Your Heart Stops has to offer all fall in the same spot on the album. Being a favorite among Cave In fans, 'Juggernaut' was the track I was looking forward to the most while listening to the record. Unlike most of the tracks on Until Your Heart Stops, 'Juggernaut' is actually a song I can listen to over and over again without wanting to smash my speakers. So basically, the mosh is minimal. Featuring trippy staccato guitar work and reverberant vocals, this track is surely a recommended one. 'The End of Our Rope Is a Noose' is like 'Juggernaut' in the way that it relies more on neat effects and songwriting then typical metalcore breakdowns and riffs. Cave In are able to keep the originality flowing until the end of the eight minute song. The only instrumental on the album 'Segue 1', is without a single doubt in my mind the best track on the entire album and is also the shortest, crazy world isn't it? Again the dreamy soundscapes are the main component of the fantastic song that feature jaunty bass work that feel right at home with the rest of the band.

A mediocre debut from a wonderful band. There is nothing wrong with that. Can you expect a band to come into its own on their first attempt to compose an original album? Certainly not. It is obvious that I don't enjoy this album very much, save a few tracks, but I believe that Until Your Heart Stops was an essential release for Cave In. Not only does it make their change in sounds more unique and spectacular, but this album also laid the groundwork for Cave Ins masterpiece, Jupiter and the following albums. Tight musicianship and originality are the only thing from keeping Until Your Heart Stops from drowning really. When heavy riffs and breakdowns are being played, I can't help but to feel underwhelmed. Until Your Heart Stops is a very interesting listen for fans of Cave In to see where they came from. Maybe you might find some "classic" in this but I sure as hell didn't.



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Comments:Add a Comment 
GleamInRanks
May 29th 2007



298 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I may have been too harsh on this album but Jupiter is infintely better. Suggestions on the review are always appreciated.

edit/ I know that there is another review of this but I felt my opinion was vastly differetThis Message Edited On 05.28.07

Intransit
May 29th 2007



2797 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Don't feel bad about reviewing something that has already been reviewed, especially if you have a different opinion. You can even have the same rating, but a different opinion.

Anywho, excellent work. This is the review this album needed. I like Cave In, but this album is pretty lame.

AlienEater
May 29th 2007



716 Comments


I'm not a fan of Cave In. I guess Jupiter is good but overall I don't really like them

whiteminority
May 29th 2007



74 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Are you fucking serious, you gave UYHS a fucking 2?!? This album is one of the most solid efforts the band has ever released, and a pinnacle of the time period it was released in.

Iluvatar
Staff Reviewer
May 29th 2007



16072 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

This is a good fucking record. I have to give strong disagreeance to the review.

DeadToPain
May 29th 2007



694 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

this review is well written, but i don't agree at all. it seems to me that you may have a bias against metal/metalcore. jupiter is very good, but i'd put this album ahead of it. what you don't give it credit for is inspiring a whole load of generic metalcore now.

GleamInRanks
May 29th 2007



298 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Yeah, I thought that most people would disagree with my rating so thank you for being open to other opinions.

DeadToPain, trust me, I have no bias against metal or metalcore. In fact that's the majority of what I listen to.

you don't give it credit for is inspiring a whole load of generic metalcore now.

How is that a good thing?This Message Edited On 05.29.07

Iluvatar
Staff Reviewer
May 29th 2007



16072 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

He was saying that a bunch of people essentially ripped them off, because they were creating something relatively new.

edit: he wants you to give them props fo bein original an shit yoThis Message Edited On 05.29.07

GleamInRanks
May 29th 2007



298 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

I can do that... yo, and I believe I did.This Message Edited On 05.29.07

DeadToPain
May 29th 2007



694 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

i don't believe it was good to have inspired this new wave crap. but when that album came out, i was floored. the generic metalcore that sells so well now owes a huge debt to this album.

GleamInRanks
May 29th 2007



298 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Well, to each his own, i guess.

DaveBum69
May 29th 2007



699 Comments


Ok are you high or what, this album is great, everything about is great, I'm actually wearing a CAVE IN SHIRT RIGHT NOW, and I listened to it today to reinforce that its great . Its so different I mean cave in has never put out a bad album wtf.This Message Edited On 05.29.07

slep
May 29th 2007



1604 Comments


Yeah man he must be baked to rate this low!

I was thinking about checking out some Cave In. I guess it won't be this. Good review.This Message Edited On 05.29.07

GleamInRanks
May 29th 2007



298 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Ok are you high or what

Dude, you have no idea.

Slep, I would still check this because it has some interesting aspects to it.

Iluvatar
Staff Reviewer
May 29th 2007



16072 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I was thinking about checking out some Cave In. I guess it won't be this. Good review.--------------------------
This is the place to start with Cave In.

slep
May 29th 2007



1604 Comments


Alright. I was thinking this or Jupiter.

Iluvatar
Staff Reviewer
May 29th 2007



16072 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Jupiter is pretty accessible, but this is the best way to get into all the Cave In shit.

GleamInRanks
May 29th 2007



298 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

For the people who think this album is fantastic, did I support my opinions well enough?

Iluvatar
Staff Reviewer
May 29th 2007



16072 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

In you summary, you docked it for showing little originality and being generic somewhat, when its quite the opposite.

GleamInRanks
May 29th 2007



298 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

Summary: The debut album from Cave In is different than anything else they have ever done. Originality is shown throughout but many of the heavier sections just become a chore to listen to.

That summary?
This Message Edited On 05.29.07



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