Decapitated accused of rape

2017-09-12 by Tunaboy45 | 240 Comments
More details have emerged since the news broke that popular Polish death metal band Decapitated reportedly kidnapped a woman after their show in Washington.

Court papers obtained by the Spokesman Review accuse all four members of the band of gang-raping the woman on their tour bus.

You can read the article below, of course reader discretion is advised.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/sep/11/polish-metal-band-decapitated-accused-of-gang-rapi/

Tagged: Decapitated

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botb
September 12th 2017
11008 Comments


Alright so what they're being accused of is super fucked up and horrible but it really doesn't make any sense... like if they did something this fucking stupid they knew they had tons of tour dates left and they were going to get caught so very interested to hear more

Edit: nvm read the details they did that shit

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


I'm not taking anyone's side because picking either side and being wrong here is always going to be bad. This all went south real quick.

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UniqueUniverse
September 12th 2017
5676 Comments


Soooo... Raped and Decapitated?

MO
September 12th 2017
21874 Comments


ugh fuck this

bloc
September 12th 2017
43004 Comments


This shit is getting ugly now damn

BlackwaterPork
September 12th 2017
560 Comments


It's weird because I would have thought she would have mentioned this Earlier. I don't know what to believe.

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Durrzo
September 12th 2017
1458 Comments


Yikes. I don't wanna take sides at this point but the fact that several of the band members had different stories doesn't look good at all.

MoosechriS
September 12th 2017
6020 Comments


This is all kinds of fucked up, now it's just a case of seeing what comes out from both sides. Either outcome is going to be fucked either way.

Spluger
September 12th 2017
1707 Comments


Where's the joke title this time?

KjSwantko
September 12th 2017
9902 Comments


I'm still skeptical to be honest. Anything is possible, but why would a band on tour throw away their dream by gangbanging some random? Again anything is possible, but it seems more likely this is a disgruntled groupie. I really hope the opposite isn't true.

BigBlob
September 12th 2017
2709 Comments


because drugs and alcohol??

Flugmorph
September 12th 2017
17036 Comments


WHAT THE FUCK

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Sinternet
September 12th 2017
14476 Comments


never underestimate people's tendency to do stupid fucking things

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Spacesh1p
September 12th 2017
6920 Comments


"because drugs and alcohol??"

Exactly. Why would a band throw away a tour, etc? Cause they're too stupid not to. Never underestimate the power of human self-sabotage.

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Spacesh1p
September 12th 2017
6920 Comments


Wow Sint nice work we agree for once.

DatsNotDaMetulz
September 12th 2017
3338 Comments


The conflicting stories doesn't help. But Vogg seems to be fully cooperative so I'm inclined to believe he's the one that's most likely to be innocent, if it turns out the others did it. He gave a DNA sample, and the women seemed to acknowledge he helped them afterwards so he may have been unaware of what really happened in the bathroom. But in the case where he's found innocent and the others guilty, I hope this won't dissuade him from rebuilding Decapitated again.

KjSwantko
September 12th 2017
9902 Comments


never underestimate people's tendency to do stupid fucking things [2]

TheSonomaDude
September 12th 2017
5291 Comments


yeah but the fact is that they are a successful band, they dont need women to rape because women flock to them automatically. my shitty metal band played an opening gig for a band and every single bandmember ended up getting laid that night (except for me because reasons), and it was our first show ever.

I highly doubt these grown men raped and abducted a woman in the middle of their tour [2]

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


"women flock to them automatically"

I wouldn't just assume that, they're not Ed Sheeran

TheSonomaDude
September 12th 2017
5291 Comments


if the fat troglodytes in my old metal band could get laid by chicks much hotter than them after one show, I guarantee it would happen to just about any band

BigBlob
September 12th 2017
2709 Comments


"my shitty metal band played an opening gig for a band and every single bandmember ended up getting laid that night (except for me because reasons), and it was our first show ever."

because it was valentines day and they all had girlfriends m8



Spacesh1p
September 12th 2017
6920 Comments


Yeah but Sonoma you're assuming that there's any reason behind what allegedly happened here. Frequently (read: nearly always), when something like this does happen, there's no pause for reason or what the consequences may be.

Based on their reactions to police and differing accounts of what happened, they have a lot of explaining to do.

Flugmorph
September 12th 2017
17036 Comments


alright so after reading this article this really sounds legit. Idk if this still falls under kidnapping but it definitely sounds like rape and that is absolutely inexcusable. Fucking hell man

TheSonomaDude
September 12th 2017
5291 Comments


well i'm not automatically saying that they're innocent, but i'm just using a personal experience. it's definitely fishy that these guys are actually getting incarcerated.

BigBlob
September 12th 2017
2709 Comments


lmao. some people thinking they probably all sat down and had a meeting about the pros and cons of banging some girl and how it would affect their careers. I bet everyone was shitfaced and the girl was even worse and so probably couldnt give consent.

BeyondCosby
September 12th 2017
1596 Comments


^This

SCREAM!
September 12th 2017
14732 Comments


"lmao. some people thinking they probably all sat down and had a meeting about the pros and cons of banging some girl and how it would affect their careers. I bet everyone was shitfaced and the girl was even worse and so probably couldnt give consent."

If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong?

BigBlob
September 12th 2017
2709 Comments


"If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong?"

could use this argument maybe if it was just one guy and one girl. not in a 4 v 1 lol

artiswar
September 12th 2017
1302 Comments


Was seriously looking forward to seeing these guys on Saturday with Thy Art Is Murder. Reserving judgement until further development.

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TheGreatQ
September 12th 2017
2513 Comments


"If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong?"

Uhh dude it's 2017, only women have to give consent.

Blaizend
September 12th 2017
674 Comments


They did it.

starboystargirl
September 12th 2017
238 Comments


R.I.P. Decapitated's careers if this is true.

botb
September 12th 2017
11008 Comments


Ok so I just read the other article and I rescind my statement. Those dudes did that shit. I've never listened to this band once but fuck them

Sinternet
September 12th 2017
14476 Comments


30 comments in and we already got retarded misinterprations of what consent is

starboystargirl
September 12th 2017
238 Comments


Their statements DO sound like the words of guilty men.


Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


30 comments in and we already got retarded misinterpretations of what consent is[2]


as expected, sadly


ClungeAbsentia
September 12th 2017
14 Comments


like half the people on this site have even been in a position to ask for consent

LewisShaw
September 12th 2017
281 Comments


This can't be true, women don't go to Decapitated shows

BigBlob
September 12th 2017
2709 Comments


"30 comments in and we already got retarded misinterprations of what consent is"

explain in detail what consent is then big boy

starboystargirl
September 12th 2017
238 Comments


When she says yes to the undress.

JohnDillinger
September 12th 2017
217 Comments


Retarded interpretations of consent and blatant victim blaming... would people simply shut the fuck up until there is hard evidence at hand? It's not your fucking place to speculate, blame, believe, judge. We got law enforcement and courts for that shit.

kingdedethefifth
September 12th 2017
3801 Comments


It's lookin real damn fishy for Decapitated but hey if they gang raped her than hopefully they'll realize the error of their ways when the same is done unto them in prison. If they DIDN'T rape her well then wtf woman

BigBlob
September 12th 2017
2709 Comments


"We got law enforcement and courts for that shit. "

worked for OJ simpson



Dewinged
September 12th 2017
5388 Comments


This is fucked up.

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Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


I can't believe we even have to explain what consent is. If she's drunk, seems to be going along with it but hasn't said yes it's better to just stop and give yourself blueballs than face a rape accusation and if she tells you she doesn't want to, stop.



DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
September 12th 2017
15002 Comments


What genre are these? Power pop?

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Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


They're an 80s synth-pop revival duo Doof, like Tears For Fears but more goofy and with modern day social commentary

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
September 12th 2017
15002 Comments


My instincts were dead. on. point.

What's the best place to start in their discog?

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


I'd start with Songs From the Big Negation, it's their masterpiece and a fan favourite

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
September 12th 2017
15002 Comments


On it

Kusangii
September 12th 2017
1555 Comments


The irony of this event happening to a metal band called Decapitated

Awful shit tho

MO
September 12th 2017
21874 Comments


no doofus listen to winds fer fucks sakes11!!

bloc
September 12th 2017
43004 Comments


Don't forget their hit song Spheres of Mad World

Nomos
September 12th 2017
1428 Comments


Drunk woman bangs whole band; suffers instant regret; claims rape. Yawn.

pjorn
September 12th 2017
3753 Comments


^ imagine typing this

ZippaThaRippa
September 12th 2017
10151 Comments


What do I do now that I've imagined it

Nazzadan
September 12th 2017
1425 Comments


Bad poster types shit; whole site suffers; fuck off. :DAB:.

ZippaThaRippa
September 12th 2017
10151 Comments


"The irony of this event happening to a metal band called Decapitated"

What's ironic about this

pjorn
September 12th 2017
3753 Comments


it's ironic that a band is accused of gang raping someone and that decapitated is an unrelated word. classic irony zip, jesus.

DinosaurJones
September 12th 2017
5643 Comments


ISN'T IT IRONIC? DON'T YA THINK?
A LITTLE TOOOOOO IRONIC
YEAH, I REALLY DO THINK

starboystargirl
September 12th 2017
238 Comments


ITT: people who don't know what irony, or consent are.

DatsNotDaMetulz
September 12th 2017
3338 Comments


The only one I'm really confident of being innocent is Vogg from what I read. My interpretation is he simply thought the others were having consensual sex in the bathroom (the article doesn't say anything about him being part of it, and that she clenched her fists into the wall to distract herself and didn't make any noise) and helped her clean up afterwards after the others disappeared. Of course that could all be disproved as further evidence comes out, but if that is the case then I'd expect Vogg to fire everyone else and restart the band afresh. It was never their band, it was his and Vitek's and I think he'd be damned if he's gonna let the other members ruin their name.

SweeneyTodd
September 12th 2017
1413 Comments


Innocent until proven guilty, this doesn't look good but if a woman accuses a man of rape in 2017, the public immediately side with the "victim" even before the verdict. If it turns out the allegation was false, the public still side with the victim, especially if the victim is female. The fucked up mess of this is it ruins the testimonies of actual rape victims. This allegation might be true, it might be false, but its not uncommon for someone to think "hey I wanna make some money and get some publicity" and do something like this. No matter how this turns out, the bands future is fucked. No one comes back from a rape accusation, even if its definitively proven false.

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DinosaurJones
September 12th 2017
5643 Comments


Agreed. He also seems to be the only one cooperating with the police and acting like he has nothing to hide. (@Metulz)

Nazzadan
September 12th 2017
1425 Comments


Yeah can't wait to get all that rape money from a criminal case involving a touring death metal band with no fame or fortune to speak of.

Your post is farts

SweeneyTodd
September 12th 2017
1413 Comments


"Yeah can't wait to get all that rape money from a criminal case involving a touring death metal band with no fame or fortune to speak of."

a friend of my mother was accused of rape by his girlfriend, he was a successful composer, his name escapes me. She won, and was rewarded with a large amount of money as compensation. it was later discovered the womans own mother convinced her to accuse him of rape because she'd recently lost her job and couldn't afford to keep the house. If these women are proven right, they will be given compensation, a lot of fucking money, they could write books about it, the press will be all over it, they get exposure and money.

DinosaurJones
September 12th 2017
5643 Comments


It sucks to be that cynical, but unfortunately Sweeney's not wrong.

These situations are always fucked up, no matter the outcome.

SweeneyTodd
September 12th 2017
1413 Comments


"It sucks to be that cynical, but unfortunately Sweeney's not wrong."

I don't like that I'm right, don't get me wrong, i think this situation no matter the outcome is awful and disgusting. If they did rape them, hope they're locked up until they're dead. If they didn't, I hope the two women are locked up for a long time, and the band are able to carry on

DinosaurJones
September 12th 2017
5643 Comments


Oh, I'm not calling YOU cynical, personally. I just mean people in general, that are so "Eh, what the fuck, lemme ruin someone's life so I can try and get on easy street."

Eons
September 12th 2017
866 Comments


If you take a side on this you're a retard. Blinding being cynical about it and victim blaming is stupid and so is blindly blaming them before you even know if it's true or not.

ScuroFantasma
Contributing Reviewer
September 12th 2017
10695 Comments


"If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong?"

I can understand considering this argument in normal circumstances where it's mutual drunk sex and someone maybe regrets it, claims it's rape etc., but this was 3-4 dudes forcefully going at this one woman (if proven true). There's no equal responsibility there. Also being the person(s) initiating it kinda removed that ambiguity, you can't not consent to actions you're doing yourself.

Just speaking hypothetically based on the info in the article, not casting any judgement on this case itself yet, I mean it looks bad, but, innocent until proven guilty and all that. Hopefully anyone who's guilty in this scenario gets what they deserve, whoever it might be.


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Sinternet
September 12th 2017
14476 Comments


'If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong'

this is wrong, even in a 1 on 1 situation, the person in the wrong is the one who forced themselves upon the other even if they are intoxicated as well - it could be a drunk man forcing themseloves upon a drunk woman, or a drunk woman forcing themselves upon a drunk man, it rests with the person who initiated it

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


Sint I can't believe there are people ITT who don't understand this

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


If you're both pissed, she doesn't consent and you go ahead anyway you're in the wrong.

Sinternet
September 12th 2017
14476 Comments


'if a woman accuses a man of rape in 2017, the public immediately side with the "victim" even before the verdict.'

you're joking right? there's always people spouting shit like 'she just wants a free check', case in point these comments. don't take treating an allegation seriously and making it as comfortable as possible for a potential victim to speak out as just saying they're telling the truth

'If it turns out the allegation was false, the public still side with the victim, especially if the victim is female.'

lol where?

'The fucked up mess of this is it ruins the testimonies of actual rape victims.'

Only because morons on the internet take one example of a false accusation ande then apply it to every case ever. False accusations of rape make up an absolutely tiny percentage of overall accusations

'This allegation might be true, it might be false, but its not uncommon for someone to think "hey I wanna make some money and get some publicity" and do something like this.'

way to prove my point

' No matter how this turns out, the bands future is fucked. No one comes back from a rape accusation, even if its definitively proven false.'

Michael Gira seems pretty fine

Sinternet
September 12th 2017
14476 Comments


ikr like no wonder ya'll afraid of rape accusations when no-one bothered to teach you consent

DinosaurJones
September 12th 2017
5643 Comments


"I was drunk, I couldn't control myself!"

Oh, well, that's totally fine then! I'm sure you weren't in control of how much alcohol you consumed, we'll let it slide!

Bigpapad
September 12th 2017
98 Comments


^Yep. Just read throughout the comments here, there are still people jumping to the side of the band without knowing anything(and it honestly looking pretty bad for them).



"Detectives noted she had “significant bruising to her upper arms consistent with being restrained” and “small abrasions to her knuckles that were scabbed over.” During the rape, she said, she “was digging her fist into the wall to try and distract herself from what was happening.”

Christ.

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


People who still use being drunk as an excuse need fucking shooting. Learn consent, get some self control and don't hide behind excuses.

Sinternet
September 12th 2017
14476 Comments


i'm sure people will take this as seriously as the xxxtentacion allegations

Sinternet
September 12th 2017
14476 Comments


lol fr, i mean ive gotten pretty wasted loads before and never have i felt the urge to force myself on someone

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


*sigh*

tempest--
September 12th 2017
20467 Comments


yo tunaboy your article should say reader discretion not viewer discretion

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


"lol fr, i mean ive gotten pretty wasted loads before and never have i felt the urge to force myself on someone"

no decent person has
I've made a point to get consent even when we were both hammered, it's not difficult


Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


Cheers tempest I'll change it now

Bigpapad
September 12th 2017
98 Comments


It's about as stupid of an excuse as saying that "cheating while drunk" doesn't count. If your SO cheated on you while drunk, I highly doubt you'd excuse that. So don't excuse rape allegations.

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


Drink is more of a truth serum than something that makes you do something out of character. It removes your inhibitions and makes you forget about all the reasons you shouldn't do something potentially bad.

Spacesh1p
September 12th 2017
6920 Comments


I typed something longwinded then deleted it because retards like Nomos lack the mental capacity to understand how wrong they are.

Bigpapad
September 12th 2017
98 Comments


^Totally agree. If you're a piece of shit, you're even more of a piece of shit when you're drunk.

Never once when drunk have I ever thought of doing something so abhorrent. I think saying something stupid is fair, we all do that. This is different planet, alcohol is barely in the equation at this point.

Maco097
September 12th 2017
2410 Comments


"I typed something longwinded then deleted"
Thanks I really wanted to know that.

Spacesh1p
September 12th 2017
6920 Comments


You're welcome Maco. I know you appreciate regular updates on my life. On that note, I'm going to go eat lunch. I'm not sure what I'll have but I'll be sure to shoutbox you once I get back.

Maco097
September 12th 2017
2410 Comments


You can also tell me if it was good or not.

Spacesh1p
September 12th 2017
6920 Comments


Will do. I suspect it will be good.

Maco097
September 12th 2017
2410 Comments


Don't forget to have dessert.

superluminals
September 12th 2017
654 Comments


From poland to us state penitentiary haha xD

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superluminals
September 12th 2017
654 Comments


Since people love making sweeping generalizations I want to make one too

All metalheads are rapists!!

pjorn
September 12th 2017
3753 Comments


space, pls shoutbox me too

DinosaurJones
September 12th 2017
5643 Comments


My lunch was all right. Nothing too exciting. If anyone cares.

Nazzadan
September 12th 2017
1425 Comments


Hit the road jack, and dontcha come back Nomos Nomos Nomos


cor22222
September 12th 2017
209 Comments


This case getting worse with every news. They are from my country so i hope they dont do this. Hard times for Decapitated. Album was amazing but now. Eh...

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cylinder
September 12th 2017
1020 Comments


The members' stories are weak as fuck. "Sat on the couch and didn't see what was happening"? "Didn't recall what happened"? "No one was forced to get on the bus"? No, but it sure sounds like someone was forced to have sex! Absolutely fucking revolting. They better fucking get what's coming to them

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Hopelust
September 12th 2017
2708 Comments


"Drunk woman bangs whole band; suffers instant regret; claims rape. Yawn."

"I'm a "retard" because I took a side different than yours before anybody knows anything? Grow the fuck up you moron."

I wouldn't call you a retard, but I'd definitely call you a victim blamer. Especially when you literally just said "before anybody knows anything." Maybe have some fucking tact and understand your opinion (or side) isn't necessarily correct, and therefor spouting off bullshit about someone claiming rape because they regret their decisions isn't the best thing to say. You've obviously offended some people, and they're now calling you on your shit. That's a pretty grown-up thing to do in my opinion.



Nomos
September 12th 2017
1428 Comments


I'll admit after I read more articles, it's not looking good for the band. I just fuckin knee-jerk when people immediately jump to the victim's side when very few details are released or before there's an investigation. Too many times will people jump to an alleged victim's side, as people often sympathize and put themselves in that person's shoes first, and then start making assumptions and accusations, and in the end we find the alleged perpetrator's innocent and with a ruined reputation.

So ya I'm a hipocrite for making an assumption about her side of the story. I was trying to prove a point but got lazy and just blamed her.

In the end, we don't know a damned thing though, and should all just wait until more comes to light.

-------

"-Stupid bad poster on a dying music rating site"
- Anime-loving new user gettin triggered

SpiritCrusher2
September 12th 2017
5591 Comments


dude I don't give a shit, throw them in jail if they did it, they sucked for years anyway. gonna jam some winds of creation now, it's been a while.

pjorn
September 12th 2017
3753 Comments


only users with REG DATES BEFORE MINE are allowed to talk to me

kingdedethefifth
September 12th 2017
3801 Comments


Nazz is my best friend don't you dare shit on him >:[

Wolfhorde
September 12th 2017
15369 Comments


thanks to tuna and sint for making some reasonable points before I had to throw some shade. Asking a question (particularly one to which the answer is either "yes" or "no") is not such a fucking complex concept.



brainmelter
September 12th 2017
4220 Comments


yezus this is ugly

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trilogique21
September 12th 2017
1227 Comments


no kidding. this looks pretty bad. wtf man

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superluminals
September 12th 2017
654 Comments


I think it is safe to say decapitated had one too many good beers

Beer more like rape juice

botb
September 12th 2017
11008 Comments


Lol at anyone in this thread having any faith in law enforcement whatsoever

zaruyache
September 12th 2017
17530 Comments


This looks awful and so does this thread gj everyone as expected.

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Spacesh1p
September 12th 2017
6920 Comments


Lol Nomos it's ok to say, "I'll wait for the facts," but what you said was that the alleged victim was crying wolf. You remain retarded.

kingdedethefifth
September 12th 2017
3801 Comments


Come on brother HH rape isn't cool brother HH

ZippaThaRippa
September 12th 2017
10151 Comments


Agreed, brother

danielito19
September 12th 2017
11883 Comments


i love rape threads you see all the shit users come out of the woodwork

pjorn
September 12th 2017
3753 Comments


ctrl+f "retard" 5 of 5

but my comment got deleted?

guitarded_chuck
September 12th 2017
13453 Comments


"I just fuckin knee-jerk when people immediately jump to the victim's side when very few details are released or before there's an investigation"

to assume either was is to be equally irrational, just so you know brother

Dctarga
September 12th 2017
792 Comments


Rape or suicide yeah

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


"Ok so I just read the other article and I rescind my statement. Those dudes did that shit. "

Ugh

"Drunk woman bangs whole band; suffers instant regret; claims rape. Yawn."

Equally ugh'd

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AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


Man, this is a really bad time to have a name like Nicholas von Nuclearrape...what were my parents thinking?

bloc
September 12th 2017
43004 Comments


You know you can change it

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


Idk, do you think it would hurt my metal cred?

Dctarga
September 12th 2017
792 Comments


I...I don't get it. Just the last name? Nuclear Rape does sound pretty bad I suppose

And nah Nicholas von "insertnamehere" sounds metal as fuck regardless, you'll keep all the creds man

kingdedethefifth
September 12th 2017
3801 Comments


You can always make a change brother HH it's never too late brother HH

bloc
September 12th 2017
43004 Comments


Post in a lot of metal threads, say you like the albums that everyone else likes, say you hate the albums that everyone else hates, like a few "obscure" metal albums that have no review and rec them all the time to people, and then I don't care if your name is fuckin Gilbert or some shit but nothing can hurt your metal cred.

Madbutcher3
September 12th 2017
1862 Comments


bloc has figured out my way of life

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


He just described the metal way of life m/

Sinternet
September 12th 2017
14476 Comments


nicholas von irradiatedanus has a nice ring to it

JeetJeet
September 12th 2017
4313 Comments


These guys sound guilty as shit. If they didn't have anything to hide they'd all submit a DNA sample. Yet everyone has a different story, and only one is actually willing to give a sample. Sounds fishy to me.

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Typhoon24
September 12th 2017
1711 Comments


seems like rape to me.

DatsNotDaMetulz
September 12th 2017
3338 Comments


I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Vogg will be cleared because he's co-operating like he doesn't personally have anything to hide. The other three, I can't be so sure.

Tunaboy45
September 12th 2017
15496 Comments


^[2]

DatsNotDaMetulz
September 12th 2017
3338 Comments


and if Vogg is cleared, I will continue to support him and whatever iteration of Decapitated he returns with.

superluminals
September 12th 2017
654 Comments


At this point I don't think it is irrational to side with the victim, don't really care for the verdict this isn't looking good for decapitated lol.

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


"At this point I don't think it is irrational to side with the victim"

Yeah, it actually is.

Faraudo
September 12th 2017
1730 Comments


They're a stupid bunch if they did it tbh.

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AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


If it is true, this will be the most what-the-fuck thing in metal since Tim's attempt to have his wife whacked.

superluminals
September 12th 2017
654 Comments


Decapitated are von nuclearapists

Flugmorph
September 12th 2017
17036 Comments


"don't really care for the verdict"

yeah good job

nocuffin
September 12th 2017
1005 Comments


""At this point I don't think it is irrational to side with the victim"

Yeah, it actually is."

to argue the irrationality of sympathising with someone that has either been a victim of quite a heinous crime OR is suffering from some kind of mental illness//dependency (that has forced them to concoct such horrific allegations) is to deny the worth of compassion and altruism



AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


Sympathy isnt synonymous with taking their side

DatsNotDaMetulz
September 12th 2017
3338 Comments


He ended his sentence with lol, can't take him seriously. This is no laughing matter.

nocuffin
September 12th 2017
1005 Comments


but attacking their side is synonymous with misplaced certainty and callousness

kingdedethefifth
September 12th 2017
3801 Comments


We could just like
Wait until we find out more details
And also stop assuming that the girl is full of shit

Dinosaur
September 12th 2017
930 Comments


Read this entire thread. Damn.

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


Attacking which side? I dont claim to know what really happened.

nocuffin
September 12th 2017
1005 Comments


you seem to have quite the bias towards the accused (which most likely comes as a result of liking their music or w/e)
to not, at the very least, respect the gravity of the claims this woman has made, and the severe emotional turmoil she is experiencing (regardless of the claims' validity) is to characterise yourself a heartless, naive, and quite disgusting person

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


Lol wheres that bias at?

ShadowRemains
September 12th 2017
24745 Comments


thread is vomit inducing unsurprisingly

also i swear this "why would they throw away their careers" comes up every damn time in these kinds of threads and people who say that have absolutely no clue what rape/sexual assault is often about

BlackwaterPork
September 12th 2017
560 Comments


There's no point arguing, we will just have to wait and see what is said.

Faraudo
September 12th 2017
1730 Comments


I can't be empathetic if I don't know the whole truth. There's no honest way to do it, if the truth comes out and they actually did all of this, then that's when I'll feel empathy for the victim(s).

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


And btw, you keep implying she would deserve sympathy if she was lying. In that was the case, why should i have any sympathy for her when she just put four guys through a rape investigation. I think id have more sympathy for the band.

Flugmorph
September 12th 2017
17036 Comments


ye faraudo knows

nocuffin
September 12th 2017
1005 Comments


"And btw, you keep implying she would deserve sympathy if she was lying. In that was the case, why should i have any sympathy for her when she just put four guys through a rape investigation. I think id have more sympathy for the band."
there's the bias manifest
of course the band would deserve sympathy in this instance, but why not sympathise with the mentally ill person that concocts such horrible allegations?

Flugmorph
September 12th 2017
17036 Comments


mental illness sadly is no excuse for a crime, my man sach

Ignimbrite
September 12th 2017
6188 Comments


"also i swear this "why would they throw away their careers" comes up every damn time in these kinds of threads and people who say that have absolutely no clue what rape/sexual assault is often about"

+1

"thread is vomit inducing unsurprisingly"

dingdingdingdingding

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superluminals
September 12th 2017
654 Comments


I think we all know flugmorph

Faraudo
September 12th 2017
1730 Comments


There's plenty of reasons for lying about something that serious, being mentally ill could be one, but on other instances; people have done it just for the sake of attention. I could feel empathy for someone with a mental illness, yeah, but it's still a huge lie that affected a group of human beings severely, and probably for the rest of their lives. So, I would feel way more empathetic towards them than towards the alleged mentally ill person.

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


"there's the bias manifest"

Thats actually just me pointing out something i never thought id have to point out. Please, go through the thread, show me where my bias is showing. And not everyone who makes false allegatioms is mentally ill.

Faraudo
September 12th 2017
1730 Comments


"And not everyone who makes false allegatioms is mentally ill"

Precisely.

nocuffin
September 12th 2017
1005 Comments


"people have done it just for the sake of attention."
this is symptomatic of many many mental disorders.
"And not everyone who makes false allegatioms is mentally ill."
perhaps not severely "mentally ill" per se, but to justify such serious wrongdoing requires at least one screw to be a little loose.


nocuffin
September 12th 2017
1005 Comments


at the end of the day, the question you have to ask is:
"can the attention whore discretionarily, and with no difficulty, stop seeking attention or are they wired in such a way that it is little more than compulsion?"

kingdedethefifth
September 12th 2017
3801 Comments


Or in some cases a blend of both? Whether mentally ill or not it's severity cannot be undermined, which I do think you do to an extent. However, it's also the lack of sympathy that causes rape victims to step down, meaning perhaps we could show her somewhat more sympathy?

superluminals
September 12th 2017
654 Comments


does the article say she is mentally ill? am i missing something here?

ScuroFantasma
Contributing Reviewer
September 12th 2017
10695 Comments


"to argue the irrationality of sympathising with someone that has either been a victim of quite a heinous crime OR is suffering from some kind of mental illness//dependency (that has forced them to concoct such horrific allegations) is to deny the worth of compassion and altruism"

I'm sorry dude, but in a situation of false allegations the accuser is 100% in the wrong, there is no compassion from me for people who make such damaging claims. Lives are ruined by this kind of stuff. Your argument seems to be that we should morally side with the accuser because either they're victims of a crime or victims of some illness, I don't buy that. This stuff should always be approached with "innocent until proven guilty"/neutrality until the final verdict. Nothing wrong with some speculation based on the info so far but siding with the band or the accuser until there's more evidence is jumping the gun. I'm sure the truth will come out and if these guys did what she said they did I hope they rot.


"perhaps not severely "mentally ill" per se, but to justify such serious wrongdoing requires at least one screw to be a little loose."

Yeah but man this could be applied to literally anything. I mean the band would have to be pretty fucked up to do what they're accused of doing, does the same compassion apply?





AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


@dede I mean, since we dont know if the band did it, should we give them some sympathy? Not really how it works.

kingdedethefifth
September 12th 2017
3801 Comments


I think we should make it clear that the possibility that she was raped is very real but also quite possibly not raped at the same time.

CygnusX1
September 12th 2017
124 Comments


Shit's fucked up no matter who is telling the truth.

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Faraudo
September 12th 2017
1730 Comments


Exactly, you have to be mentally unstable to rape/kidnap people. Do they deserve sympathy too.

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


And in what other context would people be able to talk about having sympathy for someone who would do something so reprehensible? Like i get having basic sympathy for any living creature, but im not gonna feel bad for someone if they get fucked (not literally) for doing something as potentially life ruining as making false rape accusations. Fuck those people.

deezer666
September 12th 2017
2509 Comments


After that Sputnik Circle jerk Thread it's 'good' to be reminded how many mouth breathers there are on this site. The excuses started with 'they couldnt have done it because why would they would ruin their whole tour' Seriously. Absolute basket cases.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
September 12th 2017
5195 Comments


it's*

hikingmetalpunk
September 12th 2017
2026 Comments


we'll always have spheres

ScuroFantasma
Contributing Reviewer
September 12th 2017
10695 Comments


All you can really do is treat the claim seriously I think. Don't dismiss it, don't take it as undeniable truth, just wait it out for the evidence and the verdict.

AdolfChrist
September 12th 2017
11923 Comments


Everything scuro said [2]

nocuffin
September 12th 2017
1005 Comments


"I'm sorry dude, but in a situation of false allegations the accuser is 100% in the wrong"
ofc, but that does not mean they are wrong by their own choice
"Lives are ruined by this kind of stuff"
lives can quite easily be ended by repeatedly telling people they're the problem too
"Your argument seems to be that we should morally side with the accuser because either they're victims of a crime or victims of some illness, I don't buy that"
no, my argument is that we should pick nor criticise either side. it's an unsettled matter, and throwing around hurtful -isms (e.g. Drunk woman bangs whole band; suffers instant regret; claims rape. Yawn.) only serves to worsen the issue.
"Yeah but man this could be applied to literally anything. I mean the band would have to be pretty fucked up to do what they're accused of doing, does the same compassion apply?"
yes. funnily enough, i believe in the idea of jail as rehabilitation and not punishment (even though it is quite evident these days that this is anything but the case)

Faraudo
September 13th 2017
1730 Comments


"All you can really do is treat the claim seriously I think. Don't dismiss it, don't take it as undeniable truth, just wait it out for the evidence and the verdict. "

Pretty much, yeah. No one but them knows what really happened, so we'll just have to wait and see. If they did it, they can fucking rot in a prison cell. If they didn't, hopefully they'll be able to overcome false accusations and keep making music/touring.


huskerdoo
September 13th 2017
334 Comments


doesnt help they fit the description either huh fellas??

SweeneyTodd
September 13th 2017
1413 Comments


"If you take a side on this you're a retard. Blinding being cynical about it and victim blaming is stupid and so is blindly blaming them before you even know if it's true or not. "

Not taking a side, I explicitly said innocent until proven guilty, that means I'm not taking any side until we have a verdict

Tunaboy45
September 13th 2017
15496 Comments


It doesn't help that 3 of them aren't co-operating with police. Doesn't look good, then again it could just be a language thing.

Winesburgohio
Contributing Reviewer
September 13th 2017
1771 Comments


*runs into thread, sweat dripping down my brow, panting heavily*

the courts are biased against rape accusers and rape mythologies are allowed to be used in court against a jury who don't know better so legal standing of a case doesn't mean shit

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Winesburgohio
Contributing Reviewer
September 13th 2017
1771 Comments


also fwiw lots of false rape allegents *have* been found to have been abused previously, and, as with most things, it doesn't have to be either or -- we can feel aggrieved for the people who false allegations were levelled against WHILE acknowleding mental illness is fucking awful and people can genuinely believe things and not heaping undue scorn on them

starboystargirl
September 13th 2017
238 Comments


Band's FB, Twitter and Instagram seem to be closed. Tour dates removed from site too.

SCREAM!
September 13th 2017
14732 Comments


Yeah the promoter in my city announced that they'd dropped off the tour (duh)and that Thy Art is Murder and Fallujah would be going on without them

Ovrot
September 13th 2017
13004 Comments


where is witchxrapist when you need his opinion for once


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MO
September 13th 2017
21874 Comments


"Yeah the promoter in my city announced that they'd dropped off the tour (duh)and that Thy Art is Murder and Fallujah would be going on without them"

damn, you goin to this show bud?

JohnFire
September 13th 2017
486 Comments


Tunaboy, it's obviously a language thing. Which by the way makes comments like "their statements aren't lining up" ridiculous. Even more so as we've only heard the side of the police.

I'd be pretty disgusted if this was true. However, that statement from the police does leave a lot of room for questions. (Which isn't taking sides, just asking questions. No, I didn't read through this whole thread, sorry)
1. So one dude (presumably their tour manager) is in his bunk sleeping while someone is getting raped? Afaik the toilets are in front of the bunks.
2. Going to the bathroom first if you're feeling like you're in danger? Also it says she let her friend know it's time to leave, but then the band could enter the bathroom? Where was the other girl?
3. I don't see how multiple people are supposed to fit in a bus toilet
4. Where was the crew/bus driver? Obviously they drove off with the main accuser still in the bus. These guys would have noticed someone was getting raped, right?
5. The second girl said she first watched the other getting raped, then got off the bus, then drove off without her. She did not call the police. Was then stopped for DUI. Suddenly this story emerges.
6. The injuries. Keeping in mind that she had just been at a death metal show, they could in fact be from that. Police also only talked about wounds on her hands. Maybe this is because of privacy reasons, I don't know.
7. Why would you get on a bus of a band anyway? What do you expect to happen? I don't mean this accusatory as in "if she got raped she got what was coming for her", not at all. Again, if rape did occur, that's just fucking disgusting. However, I have female friends who did turn down offers from bands to join them in their bus, because they knew that meant sex.

If any of you could clear any of my points up for me, that'd be great. I guess we'll have to wait for the other side of the story anyways.
Keep in mind - innocent until proven guilty.
Sad shit either way


SweeneyTodd
September 13th 2017
1413 Comments


this guy should be leading the fucking investigation ^^^

there's enough doubt on both sides in this, I couldn't pick a side even if I wanted to

neekafat
September 13th 2017
3990 Comments


crucify them

starboystargirl
September 13th 2017
238 Comments


Good points, JohnFire

Scoot
September 13th 2017
18732 Comments


seriously alarming how often this happens

let alone the cases that aren't reported

shitty people with influence do shitty things

SCREAM!
September 13th 2017
14732 Comments


"damn, you goin to this show bud?"

Was on the fence because the brass monkey is a pain in the ass to get to without a car and now that Decapitated has dropped off I definitely won't

Tunaboy45
September 13th 2017
15496 Comments


this is just shitty all round, for everyone


bloc
September 13th 2017
43004 Comments


Especially the clarinet cover guy

neekafat
September 13th 2017
3990 Comments


[2]

AdolfChrist
September 13th 2017
11923 Comments


Lol

WretchedCacophony
September 13th 2017
52 Comments


[3]

ckypro3
September 13th 2017
152 Comments


all Decapitated merch 80% off!

Digging: Fallujah - The Harvest Wombs

AdolfChrist
September 13th 2017
11923 Comments


Shit, id buy some.

JayEnder
September 13th 2017
427 Comments


Damn all these decapitated puns for making me laugh

Faraudo
September 13th 2017
1730 Comments


Gimme some of that merch.

AdolfChrist
September 13th 2017
11923 Comments


or ill DECAPITATED you.

JohnFire
September 14th 2017
486 Comments


Just posted this on Facebook:

"While we are not perfect human beings, we are not kidnappers, rapists, or criminals. As such, we strongly deny the allegations that have recently been brought against us.

We ask that everyone please reserve their judgement until a definitive outcome has been reached, as charges have yet to be pressed. Full testimony and evidence will be presented in due time, and we have faith in that process.

As there is uncertainty regarding a timeline for prospective proceedings and out of respect for fans and promoters, due to the severity of the claims, we have cancelled all planned touring.

All social media platforms have been temporarily disabled as they have been used as destinations for defamatory and malicious remarks. We would like to point out that the statements in the published police report were given prior to an arrest. At that point, no member of the band was aware of an active warrant being issued."

AdolfChrist
September 14th 2017
11923 Comments


Really hope thats the truth.

Bigpapad
September 14th 2017
98 Comments


Fair. But the way it's headed, I think it will at the very least go to court.

cylinder
September 14th 2017
1020 Comments


"Why would you get on a bus of a band anyway?"

I believe that's supposed to be a pretty cool experience normally, not a traumatizing one.

"Going to the bathroom first when feeling like you're in danger?"

It's so easy to read the story and determine what would've been the best way for the victim to get out of the situation. Fact is, no one is exactly rational in situations like these. Also this is just another variation of victim blaming anyway

cylinder
September 14th 2017
1020 Comments


And sure, death metal shows can get rowdy, but actual bruises from that? What, have Decapitated fans skipped the moshing thing and moved on to just straight punching the shit out of each other now?

AdolfChrist
September 14th 2017
11923 Comments


"Why would you get on a bus of a band anyway?"

What a dumb fucking question, why would you not get on a bands tour bus.

@cylider how could that be victim blaming when we dont know if shes a victim yet. People keep using that phrase, but legally there is no victim as of now, just the accuser and the accused.

cylinder
September 14th 2017
1020 Comments


You're right I'm just saying that kind of reasoning is faulty no matter what, especially when he was acting like those were 'fishy' parts of the story (the 'getting on the bus' and the 'going to the bathroom first') like no those do not negate the accusation in any way

AdolfChrist
September 14th 2017
11923 Comments


Agreed. That user seems pretty retarded.

SnakeDelilah
September 16th 2017
19750 Comments


http://www.metalsucks.net/2017/09/13/everything-you-need-to-know-about-rape-trials-rape-victims-and-rape-culture/

hey guys

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Aiwaz
September 16th 2017
3666 Comments


Decapitated has sucked since Vitek died. Band is shit and could care less what goes on.

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BlackwaterPork
September 16th 2017
560 Comments


That article is basically just saying things decent people already know

Aiwaz
September 16th 2017
3666 Comments


Not true. The article doesn't say "Decapitated used to be a good band, now they suck bad."

BlackwaterPork
September 16th 2017
560 Comments


This news thread was taken seriously for like 5 minutes...

Aiwaz
September 16th 2017
3666 Comments


Decapitated has been taken seriously since Vitek died. Worse news.

Dctarga
September 16th 2017
792 Comments


That article is basically just saying things decent people already know [2]


Aiwaz
September 16th 2017
3666 Comments


This article doesn't talk about how this band went radio rock. [2]

SnakeDelilah
September 16th 2017
19750 Comments


That article is basically just saying things decent people already know


apparently decent people are not very prominent itt

Aiwaz
September 16th 2017
3666 Comments


Not sure why this is even an article. This band shit the bed and we all know it, people that DON'T know it like Sorceress.


The end.

cylinder
September 16th 2017
1020 Comments


Because that's what's at stake here. The reputation of quintessential death metal group Decapitated

Like that is at stake too but I don't think viewing this situation through the lens of their band's career or w/e is exactly productive

Aiwaz
September 16th 2017
3666 Comments


Band sucks now, could care less if they did anything taboo.

SCREAM!
September 16th 2017
14732 Comments


"And sure, death metal shows can get rowdy, but actual bruises from that? What, have Decapitated fans skipped the moshing thing and moved on to just straight punching the shit out of each other now?"

Pretty easy to walk out of a mosh pit with some bruises, no idea what you're talking about here.

BlackwaterPork
September 16th 2017
560 Comments


You can get goddamn thrown around when you're moshing mate, especially if you're not a big lad.

50iL
September 16th 2017
4164 Comments


There's no way this ends well

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superluminals
September 16th 2017
654 Comments


It's also possible to go to metal shows and not mosh at all

SCREAM!
September 16th 2017
14732 Comments


You don't say?

BlackwaterPork
September 16th 2017
560 Comments


Indeed

anarchistfish
September 16th 2017
25982 Comments


what the fuck

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cylinder
September 16th 2017
1020 Comments


ok that's a point I prob don't have the experience to speak on, ugh now I'm deviating. We'll see how all this goes

GhandhiLion
September 16th 2017
1470 Comments


Oh shit I missed out hearing this.

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ScuroFantasma
Contributing Reviewer
September 16th 2017
10695 Comments


actually a good Metalsucks article there.

zaruyache
September 16th 2017
17530 Comments


actually a good Metalsucks article there. [123]

Tunaboy45
September 17th 2017
15496 Comments


That metalsucks article was wonderful, it lays the bare facts down and calls out the inherent bullshit of victim blaming.

Thalassic
September 17th 2017
925 Comments


Good Metalsucks articles are hard to come by.

someguest
September 17th 2017
28489 Comments


Her first mistake was going to a Decapitated show. They suck.

AdolfChrist
September 17th 2017
11923 Comments


stop victim blaming, asshole!

someguest
September 17th 2017
28489 Comments


There's no denying her music taste is shite.

someguest
September 17th 2017
28489 Comments


Anyway, that bus comment up there really isn't that far off. It's widely known that sluts, whackos, freaks, and imbeciles are usually the group to line up to get on a band's tour bus.



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