can't decide what's making me cringe more, the lyrics or the music video.

don't like the song itself, but I'm happy this exists. if it pisses off the alt-right it's alright by me.

Incoming worst album of the year if this single is any indicator.

good god

song sucks nearly as much as alt-righters gj boys

I'm enjoying seeing the rage in the comments. So many people seem to be shocked that a punk band is extremely left wing. I can't wait to see how they react when I reveal that the sun is actually hot, and that surprisingly, water is wet.

the song and people's reactions are equally as cringy

"you just got knocked the fuck out" lol channeling Freddy D

lol

both these singles fucking smoke, this band can do no wrong at this point

Decent track but the vocalist is so much better than the rest of this band.

jesus christ, I remember when this band was really good and not a cringe overload. The fuck happened?

I cant imagine how they do this. This is so bad. God

This song is awful and its message is ironically ignorant and bigoted. They're accusing people of preaching hate whilst preaching hate. Shame on them.

this is def a band i'd rather just listen to and not look at

Alt-right idiots are white nationalists. They have nothing to do with the Nazis and promoting violence against those you disagree with is morally indefensible. Anyways, I cringed and fapped to this video, so good on ya.

appreciate the sentiment, but man these guys are not good songwriters lol. still, punch nazis every day

if you preach hate expect hate nazi punks fuck off

just watched Green Room recently so this song is therapeutic to me.

"This song is awful and its message is ironically ignorant and bigoted. They're accusing people of preaching hate whilst preaching hate. Shame on them."

Yeah that isn't how this works

"Alt-right idiots are white nationalists. They have nothing to do with the Nazis and promoting violence against those you disagree with is morally indefensible." [2]

Wannabe RATM tryhards trying to be edgy.

edit: actually nvm I should know better than to get into this discussion on this website of all places

"Alt-right idiots are white nationalists. They have nothing to do with the Nazis"

Except the Nazis were/are basically a sub-branch of white nationalism so they really don't have nothing to do with one another

wtf i love terrible nu-metal now

real talk though, the song is total garbo but the comments being filled to the brim by pissed off pissants makes it absolutely worth existing

haha this is nothing, go on certain sites and read the threads where the song first leaked. you've never seen so much baby rage packed into one place before

what's funniest about peoples reaction is that these same people are always saying the people they're against are snowflakes and whiny and that they hate liberals because they're weak, etc.

this is def a band i'd rather just listen to and not look at[2]

Oh yeah SFTP are having a field day on Twitter

"real talk though, the song is total garbo but the comments being filled to the brim by pissed off pissants makes it absolutely worth existing"

yeah pretty much this, not a great song but the reactions to this kind of thing are always worth it

DAE THE LIBRULS ARE THE REAL BIGOTS, THIS IS WHY TRUMP WON, ad infinitum

I'm honestly surprised so many people care about this song tbh. Would've thought this would mostly just fly under everyone's radar

Dead Kennedys released their song 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off' because they had actual neo-Nazis as fans.

trout yogurt

'this is def a band i'd rather just listen to and not look at'

why? are they not handsome enough? that Drew York is pretty dashing.

go out and actually punch fascists don't write garbage nu metal about them jc

Rip Nazis you just got knocked the fked out

wow they're really speaking truth to power, how brave

the youtube comments are priceless. 1600 likes 6000 dislikes. man when's the last time a song got under people's skin like this? Doris? lul

neo nazis cry about snowflakes, yet again prove that they are the biggest snowflakes of them all

band that has always had political lyrics creates song with political lyrics wowie

song blows but comments are so worth it

Song was alright, and some of the lyrics would've been better off as fragments, such as the "if you preach hate expect hate" line

I bet this song goes hard live

Can nazis come up with a better insult than "cuck"?

where's all the assholes who said a trump presidency would save punk music

Song title is cool, song isn't.

Music is boring. Comments are heilarious.

Also, pretty much what SCREAM! said.

Absolutely disgusting. I was just having a peaceful discussion in my "I Unironically Support Ethnic Cleansing" Facebook group when someone linked this. Why are people on the left so violent!?

^ fucking lol

Loving those youtube comments lel

Change the lyrics, throw the video into the garbage and this would actually be some pretty decent, fun rage against the machine wannabe song.

drew york hasnt ever knocked anyone out in his fucking life

really shitty band

The one thing Scream is forgetting, is that the alt-right are ridiculously thin skinned and take any insult against them incredibly personally.

Song is bad message is good

Daily reminder to acquaint your local fascists head with the pavement

this sounds like saliva but fuck fascists

lmao

the backlash is kinda surprising to me, it's not as if stray has never put out a poorly written angry 'political' song before.
I can see this song going hard live tho, which is all I care about when it comes to stray lmao.

Well I mean they are thin skinned but the weird thing is they pretty much constantly complain (it's their go-to every time) that liberals and left wing people are pussies/thin skinned and that men should be macho, etc. They're crying in youtube comments, though. Seems a bit at odds with their own logic.

The comment section is incredible.

there is a total of zero irony in that comment section

The level of hypocrisy in the video and the comments section is fucking astounding.

alt right getting triggered

never listened to this band, does all their music sound like bad rage against the machine but 20 years too late and far shittier

Number of Antifa big boys itt is glorious. Keep on "punching" those "fascists" you loons.

ZARU STOMP!

ZARU STOMP!!!

ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRUUUUU STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMP!!!!!

Alt-reich, Nazi snowflakes

good song great message

I have no idea who the alt right are but if you want to use violence to stop nazi's, that is all fine by me. Besides that this song sucks ass.

jesus this is awful. surprised i didn't hear about it tbh.

That was pretty terrible but anything that pisses off the alt-right is free to be as awful as it likes. Punch them nazis. Social justice and revolution never comes about by appealing to the "good nature" of oppressors because they don't have good nature. Michelle Obama said "when they go low, we go high". Bill Maher said it better: "When they go low, we kick them in the balls". Hate me all you want. I'm no liberal, liberals are whiners who would rather complain than actually do shit about their lives but so are the hardline right-wingers who just can't accept facts because the critical reasoning part of the brains failed to adequately develop due to inbreeding.

I was getting groceries earlier and some dude wore this tshirt saying "NB" in some kind of sports-brand lettering (I don't remember what sports brand it looked like) and underneath it said "Nazis Boxing" (Punching Nazis)

I laughed, consistently thought about telling him that his shirt is awesome.

Video background should have just been made up of millions of tiny "Fred Durst's red hat" pictures

This is fucking terrible

"Absolutely disgusting. I was just having a peaceful discussion in my "I Unironically Support Ethnic Cleansing" Facebook group when someone linked this."

yeah same

"NB" New Balance

now send me a couple of schnitzels wolfhorde

where you live bro

unfortunately (for the schnitzel case) russia

but our love for schnitzels can't be divided by any territories, we can do this

You ever type out a response you are happy with then realize it is pointless and delete it all?

I'll just leave a :DAB: instead

"It is currently unknown if previous single, "The House Always Wins", will be included on the album."

The House Always Wins will be featured on the record, along with a song featuring Keith Buckley of Every Time I Die. Source: https://twitter.com/strayfromdapath/status/885247516450594817

song sucks ass but never stop punching nazis in the fucking face

lol did they actually take down the video?

shit song but nazis suck so it's all g

sneaky edit scream

I wonder if they expected to receive so much hate that the video would be taken down

Even infowars is getting in on the action lol

http://www.metalsucks.net/2017/07/13/infowars-editor-slams-stray-from-the-paths-new-song-goodnight-alt-right/

lol did they actually take down the video? [2]

Keepin' it reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaal up in this bih.

the fact that it was removed makes me want to watch it more and more

it's already back up sooo

people in the comment section are talking about doxxing the band's family members like didn't you guys just throw a shitfit about that one dude potentially getting doxxed that made the CNN Trump gif? fucking hypocrites

yeah they're unbelievably hypocritical . unfortunately they seem oblivious to it or simply don't care. You can bet they are simultaneously ''roasting'' liberals on some forum about how weak they are and snowflakes, etc. etc. while also whining on youtube about something that triggered and challenged their views.

people don't bat an eye at Cannibal Corpse who talk about dismembering people but get triggered by a song about punching someone you disagree with. this isn't even an extreme song by SFTP standards, on their last album they had song about lynching child molesters and no one gave a fuck. I don't understand where the line is. Is it just the video that's upsetting people? Because I'm pretty sure the complaints should be aimed towards the director then.

I'm going to play devil's advocate and say there is a pretty big difference between gore-themed brutal death lyrics and politically charged nu-metal/hardcore.

This is the one and only time I will comment about the actual content of the song, back to dropping sick dabs on fools

:DAB:

For the record, Michael Gira probably raped that one lady. We don't know. But, I've found it is best to take the victim's word.

":DAB:"

please stop

i dont agree with it but the people have the right to dab

'you bring up some good points db'

Thank you, good sir. :dab:

there's a big difference? what's that? never mind, go back to your dabbing

I don't need your permission to dab.
I'm going to go back to dabbing, but not because you said so
:DAB:

I came here to :dab:, is this a :dab: safe space?

the amount of dabbing in here is v offensive to me

So much for the tolerant :DAB:

:rationalcentristdab:

When is President Trump going to make a tweet about this? These guys are fake news.

Wannabe RATM tryhards trying to be edgy. [2]

they are over exaggerating the views and power of such a group. it's nothing more than a ploy to fit in and virtue signal. "Oh, hey, im not racist hah fuck that nazi." it's boring politics and so the norm of all mainstream politics these days. and plus antifa are like the mentally incapacitated version of the NKVD lol

K, but sit down.

It isn't about a message. OP just wanted to put their own properghandi spin on the track, it has nothing to do with politics.

"song sucks ass but never stop punching nazis in the fucking face"

bro when was the last time a ""nazi"" destroyed shit or straight up rioted through the streets like an animal just to break the windows of a starbucks

This appears to be all about the :dab: really.

"people in the comment section are talking about doxxing the band's family members like didn't you guys just throw a shitfit about that one dude potentially getting doxxed that made the CNN Trump gif? fucking hypocrites"

screenshot?

"screenshot?"

can't screen atm cuz i'm at work and most image hosting sites are blocked for some reason but i can copy+paste

"Atonio Vasquez
6 hours ago
Did they just doxx themselves? Can they even tour now?

Cotty Appletree
3 hours ago
No, their private addresses are already floating around. Some are looking to get their parents and families doxed too. The left will get a taste of their own medicine, but from people with guns who know how to use them."

the whole comment section is a salt goldmine tho tbh

"bro when was the last time a ""nazi"" destroyed shit or straight up rioted through the streets like an animal just to break the windows of a starbucks"

1945 I gues

The 'alt-right' a term made up by the 'progressive left' to assert even more control, more hate and division and nullify your mind so as not to question anything.

Song is a pile of cunt.

like i thought being punk meant being anti mainstream politix not harboring the exact views of the system you claim to hate

"this is what happens when you don't let bullies pick on faggots at school"

that would be the top comment

god i wish i liked this song now but it's sooooo baaaad

"like i thought being punk meant being anti mainstream politix not harboring the exact views of the system you claim to hate"

being anti-mainstream politics and anti-alt-right aren't mutually exclusive though

Not saying that's the case for SFtP but yeah

"being anti-mainstream politics and anti-alt-right aren't mutually exclusive though

Not saying that's the case for SFtP but yeah"

tru but like generally the view of the alt right and general conservatism is like the same cuz nowadays if you have any right leaning views youre just a nazi.

maybe im just talking extremes here but on the internet its so fucking bad haha

"The 'alt-right' a term made up by the 'progressive left' to assert even more control, more hate and division and nullify your mind so as not to question anything."

you also think canada has a president so

if you're alt right you're a nazi. if you have conservative leanings you like capitalism and don't want to admit that it, like every other economic system, has flaws and cannot exist in a pure free market state.

zakalwe what the fuck are you even talking about the alt-right gave themselves that label lmfao

Canada isn't real.

"if you're alt right you're a nazi."

Danielito delivers every. damn. time.

why do nazi punks deflect away from the point of an argument and worry more about semantics

like they try so hard not to admit they're fascists but they're all so predictable that cracks show whenever they say "WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE EXTREME LEFTISTS BLOW UP SHIT IN THE STREET" and "I THOUGHT PUNK WAS ABOUT NON-CONFORMITY DURRRRRRRRR"

fucking pussies

"zakalwe what the fuck are you even talking about the alt-right gave themselves that label lmfao"

THAT'S WHAT THE REGRESSIVE LEFT WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE.

Or something like that.

"tru but like generally the view of the alt right and general conservatism is like the same cuz nowadays if you have any right leaning views youre just a nazi.

maybe im just talking extremes here but on the internet its so fucking bad haha"

Yeah I see what you mean and it's a problem as rational discourse no longer happens (or happens much less anyway) between right and left

The same problem exists on the opposite side where anyone who leans left/liberal is a bleeding heart snowflake. Politics is just becoming a cesspool of unimaginable proportions and our impeding doom can't be too far off

Alt-right and the national socialist party literally have the same beliefs btrd

"if you have conservative leanings you like capitalism and don't want to admit that it, like every other economic system, has flaws and cannot exist in a pure free market state. "

Except the free market is a capitalist concept?

As with communism/socialism we've never had a purely capitalist system either (that I know of)

yes i am a nazi ho ho heil hitler yes aryan race with my brown eyes and brown hair and my fascism woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bro fuck ur dumb ass hegelian dialectics lol marxism and fascism are both fucking boring as shit

Literally.


LITERALLY.

i dont agree with "white" ethnostates but i purely believe white people can play identity politix if everyone else is

Lmao

Danielito marry me.

We can get you pregnant and start raising our little Antifa babies to fight for social justice.

People: Punk is too mainstream these days where's the old punk

Also people: Politics in my punk music?!?!?!

"Yeah I see what you mean and it's a problem as rational discourse no longer happens (or happens much less anyway) between right and left

The same problem exists on the opposite side where anyone who leans left/liberal is a bleeding heart snowflake. Politics is just becoming a cesspool of unimaginable proportions and our impeding doom can't be too far off"


dude 100% backed

Sputnikmuaic.com is a fash-free zone. Bashing is encouraged.

"No, their private addresses are already floating around. Some are looking to get their parents and families doxed too. The left will get a taste of their own medicine, but from people with guns who know how to use them."

WELL CNN TRIED TO DOX SOMEONE SO WE'RE JUST GETTING THEM BACK

that's some grade level bitch shit

"Sputnikmuaic.com is a fash-free zone. Bashing is encouraged."

wtf does that even mean? literally who fucking self identifies as a fascist jesus christ

Anyone to the right of Trotsky WILL be purged

run out of legitimate arguments already btrd?

and scream what i mean with that is that if you truly can't see how capitalism has flaws that need to be covered with small amounts of responsible socialism, you might be conservative. the rest of the developed world is doing what we started with FDR but later abandoned.

This guy vvv

http://imgur.com/OGtdKwe

This guy ^^^

Danielito makes compelling points.

Legitimate ones.

Woah doxxing

Thats a gulag

Also that pic is old afffff

And you didnt even show your face

Foiled again by the fashbasher

no one said bash exclusively self-identified fascists, if you know a fascist, it should be yr perogative to make them uncomfortable

It's like less than a year ago.

It was like january 16

Fact checked.

is this song any good btw i dont want to pause my autechre

Ghost cmon man, don't you know that capitalism is unable to exist within a free market state???? Get real !

"is this song any good btw i dont want to pause my autechre"

god no it is terrible nu-metal trash

'if you know a fascist, make them uncomfortable'

Endorsed methods include breaking kneecaps

Gimme a new one, preferably with good lighting and your head tilted (ever so slightly) to the left. You won't regret it.

who's that a pic of?

"no one said bash exclusively self-identified fascists, if you know a fascist, it should be yr perogative to make them uncomfortable"

lol he walked this back from his original post.

It's our resident fashie basher and the site's #2 Florrie fan.

"and scream what i mean with that is that if you truly can't see how capitalism has flaws that need to be covered with small amounts of responsible socialism, you might be conservative. the rest of the developed world is doing what we started with FDR but later abandoned. "

I agree but that isn't what you said, like at all

"For the record, Michael Gira probably raped that one lady. We don't know. But, I've found it is best to take the victim's word."
You ever heard of innocence until proven guilty? I guess not.

I'm not sure how the two phrasings i said were different. sorry for the confusion

lol.

What a bunch of brats. I was the same once.

Ill shoutbox you soon ghost

ban anime avatars 4ever

You ever heard of innocence until proven guilty?

Make your best MAGA face.

zak go bully a trans user

Danielito marry me I'm serious.

gwt off my dick

google web toolkit off my dick?

you understand me so well

i can't wait until sinternet actually gets into a fight with a nazi and gets his chin pushed in

oh wait

"yes but since i'm not an edgy keyboard warrior who never once paid attention to any sexual assault statistics i don't care"

I have no clue what you mean. How has sexual assault statistics got anything to do with it? Do you support that statement or not?

omg do i really need to spell everything out for your dumb ass

no i don't agree with that statement because i'm not a ignorant shitlord who just assumes "WELL THEY COULD BE FAKING IT DURRRRRRRRRRRR"

band sucks dick but they have a gd message! support the cause

"zak go bully a trans user"

lol. I don't bully, I just want to talk to 'em. See what makes 'em tick.

@SnakeDelilah
I really hope that you are trolling.

^ are you just an idiot or do you just not understand the concept of statistics?

In other words: out here in the real world where it's not empty platitudes covered in formalities "innocent until proven guilty" can mean a shitload of different things that have JACKSHIT to do with justice or a good criminal justice system. You gotta look behind the standards applied, circumstance and a whole host of factors.

But hey, what do I know or the/my criminal law professors who've written literature on this issue and taught for years know about that stuff.

So you are in favour of guilty untill proven innocent? I got it.

Execute all CEOs

time for a real revolution! Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira...

someone call Jello Biafra

I bet this song goes hard live


All their songs go hard live. Their lyrics are cringey as hell sometimes but goddamn if you don't get pumped at their live show something is wrong with you.

Agree with the sentiment but this shit is trash

i listened to some older sftp and it bangs, what happened

After Rising Sun it all went to shit.

Wth this thread blew up, I shall read it... later

Wth this thread blew up, I shall read it... later

I find it hilarious that people think conservatism is the new punk when like 90% of western countries are ruled by some sort of conservative party. And if they don't hold the power, who does? Corporations? If so then the system has failed and democracy is dead, while capitalism has also failed.

zak how do you feel that the president of canada has been doing?

This is why we need to ban Net Neutrality.

Drumpf BTFO
How will fascists ever recover?

"The 'alt-right' a term made up by the 'progressive left' to assert even more control, more hate and division and nullify your mind so as not to question anything."

zak this is objectively incorrect. it was coined by richard spencer himself in 2008 (although it even existed before that).

"don't like the song itself, but I'm happy this exists. if it pisses off the alt-right it's alright by me." [2]

The comments on the video are a combination of utter hilarity and unsettling realisation of the amount of bigotry within the youtube community.
The song is pretty awful but it's another confirmation to me how hypocritical and whiny the majority of the alt-right is. Until they can come up with actual arguments against us "politically correct cultural marxist sjw feminazi beta male faggot cucks", I refuse to take them seriously as a movement. Also they can stop strawman-ing the left by constantly referring to antifa thanks.
Pretty sure the band was aware of the reaction they'd get when putting the song up, it was a bold move imo. The inherent irony is that the alt-right think anything that goes against the grain is automatically morally justifiable, it's the attitude that a 12 year old boy has when he's going through that awkward rebellious phase disobeying everything his parents say because he thinks he knows better, except we're talking about actual fucking adults.
What a world we live in.

"Also they can stop strawman-ing the left by constantly referring to antifa thanks."

Read this thread if you think that association is unfair.

This tread this why I can quit you Sput

MAKE SHITTY METALCORE A SAFE SPACE AGAIN

thread is outstanding

So you are in favour of guilty untill proven innocent?

Considering how often liberals actually unironically agree with the "punch nazis" sentiment, its kinda not a strawman.

However, its hard to group libs together because democrats and their own base are so different. Same with republicans too.

The people on the far left and far right are super annoying

agreed

http://imgur.com/kqxpGLL

"http://imgur.com/kqxpGLL"

haha

Okay, this proves that I gave Algiers a bit too much shit for their overtly left-wing lyrics. They are no where near this insufferable. At least they sounded like they were trying to inspire a revolution and some of the lyrics were decently structured. These guys are just trying to cut people with their edge and pretend like it's some complex political statement. It just seems like they want to make enemies with anyone who is remotely right-leaning. This song isn't going to do much but further the divide between everyone.

Not to mention the fact they made this video purely to bait controversy. Let's be honest: Would SFTP get as much attention of they didn't such have an offensive video? The right should realize the only reason they're doing this is for notoriety and nothing else. It's nothing to praise or criticize them on. Any band can be controversial and this band's sound is already several years too late. Just ignore them and they'll only be famous in their own little self-contained bubble.

Also, to all bands out there: never mention the current fucking year in your song. It's guaranteed to make it dated by year's end.

Suck a dick 2012

centrists are so fucking annoying

""Alternative song titles:
"Rebellious music for rich white college liberals"
"Stray from the path, unless the path is mainstream culture in America"
"Goodnight free speech"
"How to kill the genre in one song"
"I hope I don't get beat up at my own shows"
"Revolutionary larping for manlets""

The Youtube comments are fucking hilarious

^ lol aside from Snide inadvertently just describing his music and taste, the best part of this thread was zak saying this with a straight face

"The 'alt-right' a term made up by the 'progressive left' to assert even more control, more hate and division and nullify your mind so as not to question anything."

i'm still not certain zak isn't a troll

hes not hes just full of hyperbole and quite ignorant

and hey fish, dont see you around here that much these days

sup. i haven't been super active on this site for like 4 years tbh. also i'm studying atm cos i deferred like all my exams

Left Hand Path > Stray from the path

^this

"i mean if that's what your dumbass is gonna call it yes"
The Presumption of innocence is one of the most important rights you have and you shit all over it. Enjoy getting imprisoned just because there is no evidence. I think evidence is a little important before you decide to lock someone up for a decade.

"no i don't agree with that statement because i'm not a ignorant shitlord who just assumes "WELL THEY COULD BE FAKING IT DURRRRRRRRRRRR". Nice straw-man. No the law doesn't exist to protect a side. It exists to ensure a judgement is just. (innocence is the default position )

"WELL THEY COULD BE FAKING IT " Well that is plausible. So your argument is invalid. Do you really thing a jury comes to a conclusion based on "assumption"?

the most offensive thing about the video is the apple product placement

"It just seems like they want to make enemies with anyone who is remotely right-leaning"

and this is the problem with the world today. I'm far from a right winger but man trump winning has brought out the absolute worst of left wingers. it's just fucking insufferable sometimes and makes me ashamed that so many of them are more extreme than extreme right winged people. watching debates with activitsts used to be informative. now it's just a fucking mud fight slinging as many buzzwords like transphobe, islamaphobe and racist into as many sentences as possible. fuck right off and learn how to debate

Let's not pretend like that's a one sided issue. Just change the buzzwords to "snowflake, cuck, bleeding heart, libtard, etc".

The idea that the US might be heading towards somekind of civil war is seeming less and less crazy everyday

SCREAM! is right on the nose with that one.

Both sides are guilty as fuck when it comes to just hurling insults at one another, rather than any sort of rational discourse.

of course it's not one sided, there are definitely extreme idiots on both sides of the spectrum. but what kills me is the increase in students at universities who protest and basically forcefully stop guests they don't agree with from talking to PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HEAR THEM SPEAK. it's like are you fucking for real? unfortunately the left has been perpetuating this a lot more these days and it really is sickening. universities should be sacred spaces for debate and free speech, not feelings and safe spaces

I also agree with that. It's one thing to disagree with someone, but at least do the courtesy of hearing them out, rather than stifling their ability to even speak.

Good on them. Fuck the alt-right. All they are is neo-nazis living in mommy's basement who don't have anything to do but spew hatred online. How those fat fucks think they're the superior race is beyond me. Get a job, educate yourself, learn that you don't live in a fucking bubble. You live in a multi-cultural world full of many different peoples and if you can't handle that then jump off a bridge.

I think it's a little more nuanced than that. We wouldn't invite a Saudi imam to preach the values of Wahabism just for the sake of hearing him out and because it's important for debate and free speech because that kind of shit has no place in a civilized society. Some would argue the same about these speakers who preach identity politics, incite fear, mistrust, etc.

I'm not saying blocking them from speaking is the best answer but I also don't think it's as simple as "we need to let anyone say anything in our Universities because of freedom of speech". For the most part, these are high profile guests that have plenty of other platforms and have already gotten their message across, people have an idea about what the speech is going to address, it isn't like these people are being gagged and silenced.

"it isn't like these people are being gagged and silenced."

they basically are though when people actually want to listen to what they have to say. hell there are even people who don't agree but want to at least hear the person out. again it's freedom of speech, but the knee jerk reaction by students who don't agree is to take up airhorns and disrupt the person from speaking or just complete rioting and destroying school property...only to not be charged for that at all. it's like is this real life?

word SCREAM i was just gonna say, i wonder if we'd all be such staunch defenders of free speech if we were talking about islamists for example. we never even have to have that discussion because they're (rightly) not allowed to speak in the first place. but for some odd reason we need to mollycoddle and 'hear out' nazis lol

They're sensitive, tender souls, you see.

"not allowed to speak in the first place. but for some odd reason we need to mollycoddle and 'hear out' nazis lol" The thing is many of these people are not Nazi's. Simply white nationalists. That is not the same ideology. White Nationalists are not always ideologues. I have argued some out of their position in the past. Many are misled by extremists. (funnily enough, just like in Islamism)

"word SCREAM i was just gonna say, i wonder if we'd all be such staunch defenders of free speech if we were talking about islamists for example."

actually yes, tho it doesn't get nearly as much attention. in fact, some islamists seem to not be allowed to speak ~

@MO That last bit is opening up a new topic I think so I won't really get into that haha

Like I said though, I'm not convinced that blocking these speakers is helpful in any way but I can understand the idea behind it and don't think it's a simple as "well freedom of speech" like I tried to explain there.

For one, that isn't even what freedom of speech is about. It protects you from winding up in jail for saying certain things, it doesn't automatically grant you a platform to speak in universities or shield you from the disapproval of others. So constantly bringing up freedom of speech all the time only gets the argument so far.

And as for them being gagged and silenced, the reason they are being protested in the first place is because they've managed to get their message out there and be heard with or without this campus speech. Guests like Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, etc have huge networks and outlets and being barred from a campus isn't going to silence them but it sends a signal.

Plus, deferring to free speech is basically admitting that the best argument you can come up with for your position is that it isn't literally illegal to say

tfw protesting triggers you

rand paul buttboys itt

Fish so homophobic these days.

what the fuck happened in this thread jesus christ

POLITICS.

POLITICK-TICK-TICK

TICK-TICK-TICK-TOCK

"I'm not saying blocking them from speaking is the best answer but I also don't think it's as simple as "we need to let anyone say anything in our Universities because of freedom of speech"."

Picking and choosing whose speech is appropriate for college or not is a slippery slope. Who gets to decide? The head of the college? faculty vote? the angry mob? most , if not, all college presidents veer toward the left.. should they get to decide what type of right-wing rhetoric is apt for school? and although ann coulter is a total moron, i think comparing people liker her and ben shapiro to wahhabist imam's is a little unfair.

I'm not condoning the rhetoric of the people who were obviated from speaking on college campuses, i'm just saying, where and how do you draw the line, and who draws it? If you want freedom of speech, you have to accept both the bad and the good, the agreed with and disagreed with.

This song single handedly made me a nazi

the freedom of speech argument is perfectly reasonable but people also have the right to protest - sure when things turn violent or overtly aggressive then there are issues that need to be solved but most of the time this is not the case - i can't speak for the us but here in the uk it is very rare to see aggressive protests even at these so-called 'safe space universities'. the right to protest is a fundamental part of freedom of speech and it saddens me to see the whole free speech debate be reduced to 'put up or shut up' when it comes to someone you disagree with

oh no i'm not arguing against protest, i'm arguing against violent protest. protest that ends up preventing people from being able to speak altogether. i think we are in agreement on this. freedom to protest civilly is paramount.

Sinternet that's disingenuous. You, hal, and myself all know exactly what kind of "protests" he was referring to.

u gotta love how much the right wing/alt right go on about free speech but in their own forums any sort of dissent is squashed out i.e. /r/the_donald


people like peaceful protests cos they can ignore them

"u gotta love how much the right wing/alt right go on about free speech but in their own forums any sort of dissent is squashed out i.e. /r/the_donald " Because every right winger uses reddit/internet forums?


"people like peaceful protests cos they can ignore them". Ikr people dont care when they get a bike lock to the head. lets start the revolution comrade.

That's just crime, I'm talking about smashing up banks and shit

Wait I'm getting baited. Cya nerds

"I'm talking about smashing up banks and shit"

Fish still a frustrated 12 year old at heart.

If you're anything but a left or right leaning centrist you're probably a dick head.

Ooh a classic enlightened centrist .

to be fair he said "probably"

The assumption is all that matters when identifying these hypocrites.

people that hold convictions are FUCKEN LAME
-centrists

I'm guessing they've gotta be quite happy with that like/dislikebar and exposure. Pissing people off left and right, good on them.