Michael Gira Accused of Rape

2016-02-26 by user | 686 Comments
Michael Gira, bandleader of acclaimed collective Swans, has been accused of rape by fellow musician Larkin Grimm. In a collection of lengthy Facebook posts, Grimm details a sexually indecent run-in with the frontman. Gira denies any legitimacy in her story.

Grimm's posts can be found below alongside Gira's denial.

https://www.facebook.com/larkin.grimm.1/posts/1284036894947002
https://www.facebook.com/larkin.grimm.1/posts/1283943221623036


https://www.facebook.com/mgira/posts/10201368018239159

Tagged: Swans

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demon of surveillance
February 26th 2016
901 Comments


gonna be some great discussion about this here on sputnikmusic.com

DinosaurJones
February 26th 2016
4857 Comments


Oh, dear.

JWT155
February 26th 2016
12859 Comments


Here we go......

Keyblade
February 26th 2016
23940 Comments


this thread is gonna get ugly

BigPleb
February 26th 2016
48710 Comments


Some things are best left unposted on this site...

Devastator
February 26th 2016
3047 Comments


Awwww here it goes.

Mongi123
Contributing Reviewer
February 26th 2016
18278 Comments


Cue the brooding war drums in Through Silver In Blood

MoosechriS
February 26th 2016
5859 Comments


Seems very similar to the gaza situation, the "i really want to raise awareness of rape culture, so i think it's time i spoke up" is strangely farmiliar. Everything seems pretty sketchy, if he's done it he's a cunt. If she's lying about it she's a cunt, suppose we'll have to see how the evidence plays out from both sides.

gryndstone
February 26th 2016
740 Comments


Interesting to see his wife say she has proof the accusation is false. And i say 'interesting' in the most dreadful way - this isn't good press for anyone.

climactic
February 26th 2016
22213 Comments


him and his wife seem pretty confident in the "evidence" they supposedly have, hopefully he's innocent

MO
February 26th 2016
21434 Comments


ugh

ChaoticVortex
February 26th 2016
378 Comments


Oh shit this is gonna be ugly. Both the case and this thread.
I hope he's innocent.

EvoHavok
February 26th 2016
6337 Comments


Messed up.

ParanoidAndroid96
February 26th 2016
1389 Comments


this is the fucking worst

Spacesh1p
February 26th 2016
5626 Comments


Very much hoping that this is false - both Giras seem very confident of this - but who knows.

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CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


https://www.facebook.com/coveredwithstars/posts/10206691239732330

Shame on the OP for not adding this too.

Larkin's a fucking liar and she's gonna be caught redhanded for it too. This is disgusting. Seriously, fuck this lying psychopath.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


i don't think it's worth taking sides here or having strong opinions until this goes to court, because at the moment it's just a she says,he says matter

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Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'https://www.facebook.com/coveredwithstars/posts/10206691239732330

Shame on the OP for not adding this too.

Larkin's a fucking liar and she's gonna be caught redhanded for it too. This is disgusting. Seriously, fuck this lying psychopath.'

from Jennifer's post she doesn't actually say what evidence she has or show it so why are you blindly believing it

torts
February 26th 2016
4300 Comments


wouldn't doubt it but yea, no way this is real

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


I ain't blindly believing it. If you're gonna go yell about this shit on FB and not go to the cops, and your reason for it being you want to "Talk about rape culture", I'm going to hold your claim under intense scrutiny. One side sounds plausible while the other one sounds attention seeking ESPECIALLY since this is coming right as Swans next album is hitting its end of production.

But I suppose I should just "Listen and Believe", because that worked so well for Kesha.

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
February 26th 2016
11442 Comments


A grimm affair

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CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


Also, he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Until there is shadow of a doubt proof that Michael Gira committed this crime, he is innocent of all accusations.

ZippaThaRippa
February 26th 2016
8926 Comments


Why don't we let the courts decide

I mean maybe

Gwyn.
February 26th 2016
16930 Comments


There won't be a court case, she's not prosecuting

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


Gee, I wonder wai?

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
February 26th 2016
11442 Comments


did she wait until the new Facebook emoji 'likes' were rolled out to break this news? Clocking up dem sad tear smileys with a smattering of angry red face ones too

emester
February 26th 2016
7956 Comments


Ah fuck...


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ZippaThaRippa
February 26th 2016
8926 Comments


But why would you say something like that and then not push for prosecution? PORQUE? NO COMPRENDE

altertide0
February 26th 2016
2735 Comments


As Caliggy said before, he's innocent until proven guilty, case closed.

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TheCrocodile
February 26th 2016
2586 Comments


fanboys are going to be annoying... let's just all wait aight..

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
February 26th 2016
11442 Comments


No fan boy myself - who knows the truth

All I know is breaking said story over the Internet means you're either:

- a revenge vigilante operating outside the law
- a liar, fantasist and attention seeker

Neither is good. Poor choice by her

Mystletainn
February 26th 2016
4046 Comments


Just the thread Sputnik needs

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


Thanks for the great write-up, op. Can't wait to come back later and read all the misogynistic comments.

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NorthernSkylark
February 26th 2016
8224 Comments


Thought it said Michael Cera for a minute there

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Flugmorph
February 26th 2016
14527 Comments


fucking hell

hope we still get the new album


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likeshad0ws
February 26th 2016
69 Comments


Am (was?) a big fan of Swans and everything Gira has done, but I'm always inclined to believe the victim in cases such as these.

bach
February 26th 2016
15394 Comments


think you guys should maybe cool it on calling her a lying cunt until the evidence they have comes forward.

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Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


[2]

adr
February 26th 2016
11309 Comments


CaliggyJack you're a fucking idiot.



Spacesh1p
February 26th 2016
5626 Comments


Yeah at this point any judgment is uninformed at best.

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


Reserving judgement until evidence comes forward for either side.

Ashen
February 26th 2016
1382 Comments


imo this shouldn't be a news post at all if there is no evidence presented from either side.

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TheGreatQ
February 26th 2016
2434 Comments


Damn the Andrew Jackson Jihad thread is still going we didn't need another shit several hundred comment thread.

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DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
February 26th 2016
11442 Comments


Ashen - Grimm posting on Facebook is what made this a story, idiotic behaviour unfortunately

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


It just seems very strange to make rape accusations in a social media post. If you aren't planning on pursuing legal action (which I presume she isn't, because why would you announce it on social media), and the other person supposedly has "proof" that the sexual assault from 8 years ago never happened, you are just opening yourself up to a lawsuit. I'm still open to either side, but so far this is really not looking good for her side...

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


I mean if you can think of a better way to get your story out there than posting on social media, I all ears.

ciregno
February 26th 2016
412 Comments


Lets wait it out folks. Hope it isn't true.

Shemson
February 26th 2016
1329 Comments


Ugh I'm staying out of this one until there's any facts one way or the other. Until then it's best To Be Kind.

dcalderon
February 26th 2016
435 Comments


"imo this shouldn't be a news post at all if there is no evidence presented from either side. "

Headline says "accused" of rape, which is true no matter the end result. News worthy and not misinformation either.


Epicenter
February 26th 2016
235 Comments


Ugh, this will be ugly.

Look, as it is with all crimes, the accused is innocent until proven guilty. I'm not going to pass judgment on anyone here until the courts have decided and you should do that as well.

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


"I mean if you can think of a better way to get your story out there than posting on social media, I all ears."

You take it to court.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


Statute of limitations, fear of nothing legal actually happening, sending a message, etc.

cvlts
February 26th 2016
9346 Comments


Man, Swans facebook is becoming a warzone.

Pajolero
February 26th 2016
712 Comments


Just enjoy the fucking music jesus christ.

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VirtualBlaze
February 26th 2016
356 Comments


...Can I still like Swans?

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ZippaThaRippa
February 26th 2016
8926 Comments


No, Swans suck haha

TomAkaVeto
February 26th 2016
1923 Comments


"Thought it said Michael Cera for a minute there"

Haha I thought it was just me

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


I wonder what kind of music Michael Cera likes?

BRB headin to google

Shemson
February 26th 2016
1329 Comments


Michael Cera releases his own music man

TomAkaVeto
February 26th 2016
1923 Comments


I feel like this is a lie. Conor Oberst's accuser posted on social media and she was lying and Jon Parkin from Gaza's accuser posted on social media and then she admitted to lying too. If it were real, she would go to the authorities/take it to court.

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


Indie Folk...

Now I need to check this out.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


Cera's album is pretty dope

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


Conor Oberst's accuser posted on social media and she was lying and Jon Parkin from Gaza's accuser posted on social media and then she admitted to lying too.

I can't tell if you're making a joke or if you really see a connection between these things, bc that's nonsense.

ThumbNail
February 26th 2016
76 Comments


Edit: Not even gonna bother

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


[dies a little...or a lot] Oh, dear. MAH HEART.

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Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'I don't want to purport stereotypes'

*proceeds to purport ridiculous stereotypes*

'The internet has literally become a cancer ground for rape accusations.'

yeah the whole victim-blaming of rape victims has turned the internet into a cancerous place

nowitzness559
February 26th 2016
24 Comments


ROCK N ROLL BABY.

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


As BIG of a fucking Swans fan that I am, I'm not taking sides until all is said and done. If he DID do it, shame on him and he's slime. If she's lying, then she's slime. Rape is not a topic that is to be taken lightly and I know people lie about it, but STILL it does happen every day and it is fucking vile. I really hope he's innocent. I don't know what to think. I'm seriously shaking as I type this in. I'm in fucking shock.

ThumbNail
February 26th 2016
76 Comments


Edit: Not even gonna bother

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


she literally looks like the personification of a Tumblr girl and you know how they are with lying and false accusations involving rape.

delete your account

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'There's an undeniable rise in false rape accusations'

sources pls

'I'm not victim blaming, I'm protecting both parties.'

by taking the side of one and attacking the other



Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


delete your account [2]

Green Baron
February 26th 2016
22976 Comments


Gira's awesome, but I'm not taking any sides until more information comes out. There's always allegations, and that's all it is right now, but you can't jump to a conclusion this quickly when there's still more facts that have yet to come out. See: Chapman, Aroldis.

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JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


There are women raped on the streets every fucking day. When people on an online thread go out of their way to just slurr out stuff like "she literally looks like the personification of a Tumblr girl and you know how they are with lying and false accusations involving rape." you're sounding like a fucking tool. Here's reality, bub. As a trans woman who's lookind more and more 'pretty' and 'femenine' on a daily basis every day I can tell you that a lot of men out on the streets are pigs. I've had dudes jerking off to me from outside the stalls and then trying to beat me up for being trans. The life of a woman, trans or cis is fucking hard. Not every woman out there is lying to get the media's attention. Some of us actually go through perverts on a daily basis. And not all men are scum, I very well know that. I'm not accusing Gira by any means. All I'm saying is that if he did it fuck him. And if she's lying then fuck her. But rape is reality. Fucking jerks.

smaugman
February 26th 2016
3939 Comments


you were a man?

klap
Staff Reviewer
February 26th 2016
11530 Comments


lol at people being like "why doesnt she sue him hurr durr" look how well the cosby case is going kind of hard to prosecute a rape that happened almost a decade ago

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


"you were a man?"

[scoffs] I'm a transgender woman. My biological sex is that of a male's, but that does not reflect my gender. My gender is female. I was NEVER a man. I was a girl born with different parts.

trve
February 26th 2016
1431 Comments


premature conclusion: hang her

obv

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


HA HA YEAH WHY WOULD SOMEONE RAPE A 5/10 WHEN THEY COULD RAPE A 9/10 RIGHT? HIGH FIVE BRO! LOOOOOOL

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


Really, Dreakon? Really?

climactic
February 26th 2016
22213 Comments


"you were a man?"

do you know what trans means


Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


well said jiggly

there's still a lot of sexism in society, perhaps the most worrying (especially considering hoe people like to make fun of it as a 'non-issue') is cat-calling. My best friend was first cat-called at the age of 12. Between then and now, she's been molested twice and had numerous rape threats aliong with the average cat-calling. The worst bit? She's not even 18 for a few months. She has suffered from anxiety and depression for as long as i've known her, which these incidents have played a part in. And then people mock rape and take every rape allegation online as a false accusation? Man fuck you cunts. Rape is a very serious issue, and false accusations make up a tiny minority of these cases. And people still say 'she literally looks like the personification of a Tumblr girl ' as if that's justification for you to claim they're lying. Seriously fuck everyone who believes that.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


because only attractive people are really raped /s

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
February 26th 2016
5774 Comments


oofta

deezer666
February 26th 2016
1915 Comments


Incase anyone didnt see the post from Giras wife.

I was enjoying not being on FB precisely for the social media nightmare(s) I must rejoin to address now, due to a former musical "protege" on my husband Michael Gira's record label has accused him of being a rapist......in 2008. As you may know, Michael dropped Larkin, and she has been jilted about it ever since. Larkin may know in the past, Michael has shuddered and simply deleted her harassing emails/texts, rambling obsessive tomes, declarations of unrequited love, hate speech, and threats to him. but, guess what sweetheart!- his wife is well aware----and his wife, is rather analytical, organized, -and doesn't put up with any bullshit. I have PROOF, in Larkin's own hand, that her allegations of Michael raping her *did not happen.* I REPEAT It is false. (Larkin-you should have been much more careful whom you emailed/messaged/purged/"reached out" to in "heartfelt" way, etc etc, or in letting yourself use a computer, during what seems to have been from the illiad of messages sent to my husband that are c-r-a-z-y -suffering from a manic/bipolar or chemical relapse episode)That is unfortunate-for you. I have nothing but empathy for a person who has experienced assault. After all, *I* survived an extremely violent rape/kidnap attempt, which resulted in, (through my fighting hand to hand combat) in great injury to myself-but it saved my life. My entire life was affected. I was diagnosed with severe PTSD, panic disorder, and often have difficulty walking to my car in the Target parking lot after dark, sometimes bursting into tears. Do I like sharing such info on the internet? NO, but I feel at this juncture, I have no choice. I didn't have any "artist love affair" (puh-leeze) -it was a complete stranger. Nevertheless, it causes me such pain-daily, there is a song on a new Swans album, Michael wrote for me- (that I sing myself) I have not even listened to the song more than once since its recording, It upsets me so much to even hear myself sing it. This was, a loving attempt from Michael Gira to help me heal from such a horrible event. I take great insult in you accusing my husband of something like I went through. (And I have the police report, injury records, doctors, therapies, witnesses, etc) This isn't meant to be tit for tat, but, I hate liars. I hope people do share this post. -and I hope Larkin sees it, and I hope she is wrecked with nerves, because I repeat, I have *PROOF in her own hand* that what she wrote today is false about my husband.

deezer666
February 26th 2016
1915 Comments


I am currently being muzzled (by atttorneys, managers, labels, and the like) but rest assured, the truth will come out. Larkin, you will publicly apologize, and face serious consequences. Please share. P.S anyone who bashed my husband or his music, when they see the proof- is going to feel like a complete fool.I hope you feel shame, and think about your actions. I am not negating a negative experience by a woman or man in a sexual context, or god forbid an assault on anyone, but it is SCARY AS HELL, that some mentally unbalanced (and admittedly so, *you'll see that too, once I release what I have*) can just post on Facebook, and the entire internet music press runs the story as "fact" -Any musician or artist in the public eye (or not, really this concerns everyone) should be wary, VERY WARY p.s. "the boy who cried wolf" is a great allegory for the starfucker-in the end- nobody listened to either of them howl.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


her post is quoted by Gira in the link provided in the article

hikingmetalpunk
February 26th 2016
1849 Comments


flex your muscles

deezer666
February 26th 2016
1915 Comments


'her post is quoted by Gira in the link provided in the article'

all of them seem dead

torts
February 26th 2016
4300 Comments


thread is stupid

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


No, what's stupid is waiting years to come forward. Someone check her finances.

inb4 "it takes years to come to terms with it and come out with it"

Riviere
February 26th 2016
917 Comments


"I'm gonna make you a star, Larkin. You can trust me."

The whole thing reads as fabricated, and that line especially seems really hacky. If he's proven innocent I hope she goes to jail. False accusers are pieces of shit individuals.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


no OP just put an https in the link which sput hates. make it a regular www. link and it works.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


and here come the victim blamers

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Blaming her timing at the least, absolutely.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


rape is not funny

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Nobody here said it was.

Riviere
February 26th 2016
917 Comments


"rape is not funny"

Which is why the protocol is innocent until proven guilty.

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


^Bingo.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


so you won't accuse bill cosby until he's 100% convicted in court? ok

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Yeah, that's how the system works. Also, Gira has one accuser, Cosby has 50+. Don't be a bitch about this.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'Nobody here said it was.'

so why did you try and make a witty remark about it?

'Which is why the protocol is innocent until proven guilty.'

funny, everyone here seems to be wanting to hang the woman without it even being taken to court yet

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Yeah, because she waited eight years, four of which she was still signed to his label and never mentioned a word about it. She said she loved working with him.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


' Also, Gira has one accuser, Cosby has 50+. Don't be a bitch about this.'

because having one rape accusation is so much worse than 50. Rape is rape. Whether it's true or not no-one here has any way of knowing at all.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


Also, Gira has one accuser, Cosby has 50+.

so does innocent until proven guilty only work when it's a 1:1 ratio or

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Do we all need a lesson in probability or

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'Yeah, because she waited eight years, four of which she was still signed to his label and never mentioned a word about it. She said she loved working with him.'

because it's unheard of that people try and forget their experiences or are intimidated to keeping quiet about it. By that logic, why did people wait so long to report Jimmy Savile?

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


if she could've lied about these incidents why should it be unheard of for her to have also lied about gira in an interview? Especially if that interview was done electronically and not vocally since it's a lot easier to lie about stuff when you just have to write stuff down and not look anyone in the eye.

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Whether it's true or not no-one here has any way of knowing at all.


Exactly. So why stick up for her until it's proven? Of course she's going to be the one under scrutiny, she's the one with the allegations. That's why it's called defendant. You have to defend your claims. Victim does not equal defendant until it's proven in a court of law.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'Do we all need a lesson in probability or'

apparently you do. The probability of one stand-alone case cannot be compared to another case because they involve completely different people and events.

'this man is accused of three murders, this man is accused of 20. Therefore it's much more likely that the second one commited any murders.' That is what you are saying,

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'So why stick up for her until it's proven?'

I'm sticking up for the fact that 90% of people in this thread are adamant she's falsely accusing him without any knowledge of the event. Until this goes to the court and there is a verdict no-one should take sides. As so many people are taking his side without even knowing what happened, I'm calling people out for being idiots.

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


apparently you do. The probability of one stand-alone case cannot be compared to another case because they involve completely different people and events.


What? Someone who committed 10 murders committed 9 more than someone who committed 1. Therefore, their rate of murder is higher, also making the probable rate of conviction higher during trial because of increased evidence available that multiplies with each murder completed.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


until either of those people are actually found guilty tho the evidence against each is equal since neither is guilty because both are innocent until proven guilty

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


once again, it is unfair to say that one person is more likely to murdered someone because they have killed before. any case should be assessed on individual merit or you are violating someone's right to a fair trial. but this is fairly off-topic

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


and yeah innocent until proven guilty works both ways

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


He did it!!!

a serial killer needs a fair trial though


CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


It's not being an idiot for taking Gira's side because that is how the law works. You are innocent until proven guilty. Until she brings actual evidence proving Gira has committed said crime, or a court can prove this has happened without a shadow of a doubt, Gira is innocent. It isn't victim blaming, it's called skepticism. Which, with the whole Kesha debacle, is pretty fucking warranted.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


#freekesha

SnakeDelilah
February 26th 2016
18235 Comments


jesus

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someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


wow blaming the victim


*Defendant, you fucking dumbass. That's all someone is until it's ruled by judge or jury.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


what's the statistic on rape cases actually getting to trial tho? Really low, or *really* low?

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


@someguest

B-BUT WE GOTTA LISTEN AND BELIEVE! STOP BEING A SEXIST SHITLORD.

SO TRIGGERED RIGHT NOW.

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


And that has what to do with the correct use of words and law terminology? @ zaru

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
February 26th 2016
5774 Comments


wouldn't she be the plaintiff

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'It's not being an idiot for taking Gira's side'

yes you are, because you haven't seen any evidence and you are blindly believing one side

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


No one is taking sides. Some of us are using logic and situational discernment and some of us are being dumb.

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


What's the statistic on peoples lives being ruined by rape allegations? The frat at UVA, the guy from the mattress girl.
I am heavily biased towards this though, I faced a rape """"allegation""""" in high school so I tend to not be the listen and believe type. But I abhor actual rapists, so I am still open to believing her IF facts come forward.
Fuck Ke dollar sign ha though.

"yes you are, because you haven't seen any evidence and you are blindly believing one side"

So blindly believing her is okay though?

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


wouldn't she be the plaintiff


nope. this will go to court for slander before it goes to court for rape.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'No one is taking sides. '
'It's not being an idiot for taking Gira's side'

are u illiterate

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
February 26th 2016
5774 Comments


@guest - ahhgotcha ; /

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Some of us are using logic and situational discernment and some of us are being dumb.


zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


And that has what to do with the correct use of words and law terminology?

it has to do with how few of these types of things actually ever make it to court and perpetrators actually receive punishment, bc I'm pretty sure the rate it fairly low, so given that information your whole "innocent until proven in a court" schtick isn't as great of an argument as it should be.

SnakeDelilah
February 26th 2016
18235 Comments


So blindly believing her is okay though?


no, picking sides is ignorant when there is zero evidence

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


Agreed, wait until evidence from either party comes forward.
If you blindly side with him, you are dumb. If you blindly listen and believe, you are dumb.



Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


" "innocent until proven in a court" schtick isn't as great of an argument as it should be."

Better than throwing people in jail first and finding out if they did it later.

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


it has to do with how few of these types of things actually ever make it to court and perpetrators actually receive punishment, bc I'm pretty sure the rate it fairly low, so given that information your whole "innocent until proven in a court" schtick isn't as great of an argument as it should be.


Unfortunately, law enforcement is male dominated and focus on crimes like these have never had the attention in prevention and persecution they should have. It's still a strong argument though. It's the basic level the entire system is based on.

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


but if you're acknowledging that the policing is weak then the rest of the system also must be weak.

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


If you blindly side with him, you are dumb. If you blindly listen and believe, you are dumb.


Nope. The court system works by holding one innocent. He is the one to be held innocent in this case. It's not dumb, it's the law (in America).

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


but if you're acknowledging that the policing is weak then the rest of the system also must be weak.


Sure, but I can't set standards that don't exist. That's called fantasy.

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


MFW barely anybody fucking understands US law. It's a simple concept. Gira is innocent until proven guilty. There is no "Potentially a rapist until we are somehow able to prove otherwise." It is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. I take the side of the US law which, for now, is on Gira's side. That is a logical foundation and the opposite literally spits in the face of our entire court system.

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


if you think taking a side against Gira until a court system renowned for systematic, entrenched bias against women, and especially rape victim/survivors, indicts him is dumb then you really have no idea how the world works and how pervasive misogyny and rape culture are

like i'm sure i'll get buzzworded out for this but i think it's imperative that we always believe the women who are brave enough to come forward. if she redacts her statements what do you have to lose? that you're willing to trust someone who confesses to a crime perpetrated against her that gives her no good publicity (as this thread proves) and more likely inflict thousands of irate swans-loving imbeciles into her life? do you trust your female friends when they tell you about their assaults, or do they just not tell you because they know you'll be like 'MUH COURT OF LAW' to them? frankly i wouldn't blame them

yes i am mad, not just at Gira or his unwavering fanboys but people on the fence too. your claims that it's a rational position are artificial and wrong.

Digging: Jens Lekman - Life Will See You Now

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'Nope. The court system works by holding one innocent. He is the one to be held innocent in this case. It's not dumb, it's the law (in America).'

not being american idk how retarded your system is (though i suspect very) but in a fair trial neither party should be held innocent or guilty. innocent or guilty is the verdict after evidence has been displayed and both parties have made their case. presumption of innocence or guilt before either party has had a chance to make their case is morally wrong

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


can't believe how much trust people have in a court system that fails societies most vulnerable time and time again lol

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


"then you really have no idea how the world works and how pervasive misogyny and rape culture are"

Here they come...

"not being american idk how retarded your system is (though i suspect very) but in a fair trial neither party should be held innocent or guilty."

Any court system not having our system is pretty damn retarded on its own.

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


congratulations calligy you win the first pathetically stupid comment made after mine and possibly the worst comment on this shit-show of a thread

as a reward america will elect you as a judge ur robes are in the mail as we speak

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


can't believe how much trust people have in a court system that fails societies most vulnerable time and time again lol


It's better than the alternative.

You hang tonight with no trial, boy/girl.

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


zaruyache ur alright

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


"then you really have no idea how the world works and how pervasive misogyny and rape culture are"


Blaming the actions of others on media choices? Strike one for Mr. Dan Quayle.

as a reward america will elect you as a judge ur robes are in the mail as we speak


Watch your tongue man, freedom of speech doesn't exist with the courts to uphold it.

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


for someone who drones on about the importance of logic you sure do love false dichotomies and entirely unconnected arguments!!!

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


are we going to use examples or just make blanket statements without even a simple quotation?

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


...jesus h. christ

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


He's dead.

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


For someone that is afraid of being "buzzworded out" you sure use a lot of buzzwords.


DominionMM1
February 26th 2016
13779 Comments


"your claims that it's a rational position are artificial and wrong."

sure man sure


someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


DICHOTOMY

JESUS

WATER

WINE


I CAN'T CHOOSE GUYS!

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


I'm still interested in what this "100% proof" that he didn't rape her is. I hope this goes to court and is revealed, or I hope they reveal it anyways if she doesn't feel like pressing charges.

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


i don't know how to quote but 'it's better than the alternative' implies two different courses when really there are multiple? and it isn't even relevant to our discussion of how society should treat women (and men!) who speak up against their rapists? look maybe i've been harsh -- for all i know you genuinely are on the fence -- but when the cards are so obviously stacked against victims of a certain crime then being on the fence is akin to siding with the accuser.

ideologically i have a commitment to believing women who say they were raped because it such a fraught thing and because false accusation claims are exceptionally low -- when you say it's logical to be in the middle, you're eliding from the fact that only, like .3 percent of claims are false. this is based on empathy and emotion, sure, but also on overwhelming statistics, experiential frameworks and critical thought. perhaps yours is as well; if so i'd love to hear it

SCREAM!
February 26th 2016
14067 Comments


"it's imperative that we always believe the women who are brave enough to come forward"

No it isn't you fucking nimwit. Do you even realise how many innocent men's lives you'd have ruined with this kind of thinking?

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


I don't think he cares SCREAM! Tearing down the Patriarchy and Rape Culture is too important for skepticism.

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


...3?

heres some research conducted by a real life university that might enlighten you but considering your lack of cognitive ability probably not ( : http://www.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297

Hep Kat
February 26th 2016
735 Comments


TELL EM WINES!

SCREAM!
February 26th 2016
14067 Comments


Maybe you should read your own articles. First line goes:

Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI).


So given that it's the same percentage as other felonies, I guess we should just throw everyone in jail without a trial, right?

DominionMM1
February 26th 2016
13779 Comments


"if you think taking a side against Gira until a court system renowned for systematic, entrenched bias against women, and especially rape victim/survivors, indicts him is dumb then you really have no idea how the world works and how pervasive misogyny and rape culture are"

so does that mean we should take the same stance with minorities, the poor, or any other group that the court system has looked at unfavorably over the last 200+ years?

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
February 26th 2016
5774 Comments


"I guess we should just throw everyone in jail without a trial, right?" that's not what he said

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


implies two different courses when really there are multiple?


Are there really multiple? We can only go by what was and is.

and it isn't even relevant to our discussion of how society should treat women (and men!) who speak up against their rapists?


They should be treated with the same scrutiny as any other crime presented. The court isn't going to lay down like you false white knights (Internet pro-feminist feces in my beard) types.

but when the cards are so obviously stacked against victims of a certain crime then being on the fence is akin to siding with the accuser.


See, that's just an ideological difference. Neither you or I are correct in this case.

you're eliding from the fact that only, like .3 percent of claims are false.


Even if that's true, I want different percentages for high profile cases. There's many more variables and much more at stake for both groups.

perhaps yours is as well; if so i'd love to hear it


Numbers don't lie, but the presenters of such do. We could go back in forth on this all fucking day. That's why we have a court - so you and I don't have to decide based on our own convictions and leanings.

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


no u facetious dimwit but on balance of the probability you're so fond of there's nothing wrong with standing with women???? especially when as the article and countless others will tell you 'skeptics' will often accuse women of lying and this situation direly needs to be redressed?

Nocturnalize
February 26th 2016
2463 Comments


Most hipsters are rapists thats why I'm not surprised.

Poor girl I hope that coward gets gang raped in prison

Hellscythe
February 26th 2016
1537 Comments


this thread has been great for determining who on Sput is a decent human being and who is a deplorable tool with a complete lack of empathy

Digging: Kate Bush - Hounds of Love

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Who's going to help Hellscythe scrape the shit out of his pants? He demands public service on his terms or else.

trve
February 26th 2016
1431 Comments


how is there anything bad in taking giras side until you're proven wrong (or most probably not)

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


clearly y'all have your positions and i have mine. i'm not going to get anything done by re-iterating my points until i'm blue in the face. but u do realize that the court isn't a vacuum right? that it's composed of people who have their own convictions and leanings? that systems have their own convictions and leanings? idk just consider that, and what convictions people might have that makes crimes against women such battlegrounds.

'so does that mean we should take the same stance with minorities, the poor, or any other group that the court system has looked at unfavorably over the last 200+ years?'

err... duh. the court famously alienates and indicts them at a disproportionate rate so, uhh,


someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


Don't you know, trve? The last 5,000 years' treatment of women speaks for this case alone.

ConcubinaryCode
February 26th 2016
3923 Comments


Were the posts taken down? What was the outcome of this I don't want to read all these posts.

someguest
February 26th 2016
27923 Comments


'so does that mean we should take the same stance with minorities, the poor, or any other group that the court system has looked at unfavorably over the last 200+ years?'

err... duh. the court famously alienates and indicts them at a disproportionate rate so, uhh,


I mean, yeah, everyone knows this already. But until a better system is in place, this is what he have. Want to make changes? Improve the system. The crimes never change.

SCREAM!
February 26th 2016
14067 Comments


"no u facetious dimwit but on balance of the probability you're so fond of there's nothing wrong with standing with women???? especially when as the article and countless others will tell you 'skeptics' will often accuse women of lying and this situation direly needs to be redressed?"

I haven't accused her of anything nor do I intend to. However, given how serious the allegation is, I don't think it's right to take her accusation for granted and assume she's telling the truth, essentially I'm neutral on the issue until further development. Being that I don't know either party, it would be pretty ridiculous for me to assume I know one is lying and one isn't. Let's not forget someone's life is at stake here.

Also, even in cases where the accusation is proven to be false, the accused tends to come out of it with a reputation tarnished beyond repair so people do take the accuser's word very seriously.

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'how is there anything bad in taking giras side until you're proven wrong (or most probably not)'

1) you don't have any evidence of either side, presuming either side is correct is therefore illogical
2) higher probability considering the miniscule rate of false accusations to guilty rapists means based on statistsics it ias more likely he is guilty anyway

trve
February 26th 2016
1431 Comments


damn sometimes i'm just really glad that i'm gay and don't have to handle this whole woman bullshittery



SCREAM!
February 26th 2016
14067 Comments


Also have you not considered that by giving the accuser the advantage in such a case that you could very well see that 2% go up if someone feels they can get away with lying more easily?

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


CaliggyJack being an edgy jackass for the fuck of it. Oh, and about being triggered...of course I was. Am I not allowed to be human and have a fucking reaction? Or am I being too human for your /b/-esque mind to not comprehend?

CaliggyJack
February 26th 2016
1538 Comments


"being an edgy jackass"

Is that really being "edgy" to you? That's pretty tame and in no way edgy. I simply criticized a form of mental disturbance that I find faulty. It wasn't "edgy" in any way. You are allowed to be triggered, but I have a right to feel it is unnecessary and an overreaction.

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


"...Rape Culture is too important for skepticism" your snarky, sarcastic tone is pretty cringe-inducing.

Winesburgohio
February 26th 2016
1357 Comments


i mean u said it yourself someguest: 'improve the system'. this, for me, is how it's done. also law isn't something that you either have or don't have: it's an extraordinarily complex structure that has constantly evolved and been reformed since its implementation (though of course, legal systems differ thru different cultures; the implication that there's just one is erroneous). it will continue to evolve.

idk i'm just baffled that so many people -- predominantly women -- are accusing people of rape and, in spite of the slew of proven cases, you're more willing to equivocate and blame that just believe the accuser. you're not unintelligent -- it would behoove you to consider why, exactly, this is, and why you're arguing so fervently for not believing women on a music board in the ass-end of internet nowhere.

it's worth mentioning too: the two percent figure ONLY comes from cases that were reported. considering how rare this is -- less than a third in NZ, less than a half in US -- the figure of people crying false for every rape is likely to be astronomically low

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


If you use the term trigger unironically, you better make a damn good argument because your post is being lowly regarded right out of the gate.

trve
February 26th 2016
1431 Comments


100 estrogen points to joggly for her sharp edgyness detector

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


anybody who thinks the idea of 'triggering' is at all a joke or something not to be taken seriously is an idiot

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


@trve: You got a chuckle out of me. Here's a gold star. Fuck off.

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


Anybody that thinks that their personal reaction to something warrants an announcement of the contents of something before hand for everyone else is not much better.


trve
February 26th 2016
1431 Comments


:] thanks

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


This whole "OMG YOU'RE SO PC. DID I TRIGGER YOU?" thing is a fucking joke.

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


Now did something trigger that response or

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'Anybody that thinks that their personal reaction to something warrants an announcement of the contents of something before hand for everyone else is not much better.'

i can only assume you are talking about 'trigger warnings' here to which I say; how in fuck's name does having a content warning affect you at all?

Hellscythe
February 26th 2016
1537 Comments


it seems like people aren't aware that the concept of trauma triggers is an actual thing in psychology and not just some fad started by oversensitive politically correct tumblr kids or whatever their stereotype of choice is

Riviere
February 26th 2016
917 Comments


They are aware, it's just superfluous because life itself is a trigger warning. There's potential trauma triggers everywhere.

trve
February 26th 2016
1431 Comments


this thread's sheer mass of bullshit is more cancer inducing than a fucking cobalt bomb

so yeah we need a content warning

Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'There's potential trauma triggers everywhere.'

yes there is, but with something like an article or a video in which there is no obligation to read/watch, as it is entertainment rather than life, where is the issue in warning people that something might potentially trigger them? it doesn't affect anyone else, trigger warnings don't affect anyone else who doesn't suffer from that potential trigger, why is this a point of discussion at all?

Riviere
February 26th 2016
917 Comments


Because they're not little kids.

Nazzadan
February 26th 2016
1120 Comments


http://www.stereogum.com/1862310/swans-michael-gira-details-consensual-romantic-moment-with-rape-accuser/news/?utm_source=sc-fb&utm_medium=ref&utm_campaign
Updated statement from Michael

tl;dr he says they was gonna fuck, he said nvm and left.

Gwyn.
February 26th 2016
16930 Comments


"it seems like people aren't aware that the concept of trauma triggers is an actual thing in psychology and not just some fad started by oversensitive politically correct tumblr kids or whatever their stereotype of choice is"

many psychologists have argued that trigger warnings are more damaging than helpful or are just pointless so that doesn't really mean anything

EyesWideShut
February 26th 2016
4252 Comments


this chick is a joke.. has a career that virtually nobody cares about and just when Gira makes an announcement for a new album this comes out. all this irreversible mental and physical damage and yet she doesnt go to the police but makes some stupid facebook post.

bitch deserves a Rick James slap tbh.



Gyromania
February 26th 2016
21539 Comments


everything is a trigger, guys. oh shit, i just said 'guys' in a way that would otherize or demean females. so sorry about that!

Gwyn.
February 26th 2016
16930 Comments


bitch they be hallin' like fuck me??? nah fuck dat bitch, fuck dat bitch (fuck dat bitch)

Green Baron
February 26th 2016
22976 Comments


Eight years ago, while I was still married to my first wife, Larkin Grimm and I headed towards a consenual romantic moment that fortunately was not consummated. As she wrote in her recent social media postings about that night, I said to her, “this doesn’t feel right,” and abruptly but completely our only intimate encounter ended. It was an awkward mistake.

Larkin may regret, as I certainly do, that the ill-advised tryst went even that far, but now, as then, I hold her in high esteem for her music and her courage as an artist.

I long ago apologized to my wife and family and told them the truth about this incident. My hope is that Larkin finds peace with the demons that have been darkening her soul since long before she and I ever met. – Michael Gira


Sinternet
February 26th 2016
11876 Comments


'p soon these dumb girls are gonna call ever drunken shitty lay they get and regret the next day a "rape".. '

pretty soon people are going to act like every rape case is a false accusation and start victim-blaming oh wait

ZippaThaRippa
February 26th 2016
8926 Comments


Pretty soon you'll get your honorary tumblrina pin in the mail

BlacKapes
February 26th 2016
1821 Comments


he raped me too, im filing a lawsuit of 1 million dollars or he can settle with me for $25k

ZippaThaRippa
February 26th 2016
8926 Comments


I'd settle for a cuban sandwich and a 6 pack

Kman418
February 26th 2016
13247 Comments


this thread is why no one likes this site guys

JigglyPDiddy
February 26th 2016
2557 Comments


^^^kman

ZippaThaRippa
February 26th 2016
8926 Comments


Oh come on if no one liked misogyny, no one would use reddit

Calc
February 26th 2016
15336 Comments


lunacy....lunacy....lunacy.....lunacy.....lunacy....lunacy....lunacy.....
lunacy....lunacy....lunacy.....lunacy.....lunacy....lunacy....lunacy.....
lunacy.....lunacy....lunacy....lunacy.....lunacy.....lunacy....lunacy....
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Digging: Critic, The Cannibal - SPEAKS

Kman418
February 26th 2016
13247 Comments


i absolutely cannot believe this ess jay doubya nonsense. triggered kek

zaruyache
February 26th 2016
15988 Comments


rated TVMA shows have content warnings right before their intro themes play; nobody cares. Put a content warning at the top of an article for the same reasons (if not worse); OMG UR SUCH A PUSSY LOL TRIGGERRRRD RAEEP LOL GET OVER IT

I'm not fan of the over-using of this type of thing, but putting a subject warning here or there akin to what we already have in TV and music doesn't seem like something reasonable people should bat an eye at.

Supercoolguy64
February 26th 2016
7854 Comments


http://pitchfork.com/news/63799-swans-michael-gira-issues-statement-on-larkin-grimm-rape-accusations/

???


Digging: The E-Cigs - Gum

Frippertronics
February 26th 2016
11475 Comments


"Eight years ago, while I was still married to my first wife, Larkin Grimm and I headed towards a consensual romantic moment that fortunately was not consummated. As she wrote in her recent social media postings about that night, I said to her, "this doesn't feel right," and abruptly but completely our only intimate encounter ended. It was an awkward mistake."

"not consummated"

can you not read, supes?

Digging: Gottfried Huppertz - Metropolis, Op. 29

ZippaThaRippa
February 26th 2016
8926 Comments


Haha Supes?

Does anyone else say that?

Fuck

Supercoolguy64
February 26th 2016
7854 Comments


cause it's not like he could be lying or anything
i just posted it because I didn't think anyone else did
Anyways, i can easily see this new story being true, but like others said, it's best to wait until some actual evidence is posted before I should start going around talking shit

user
February 26th 2016
1445 Comments


this was a mistake

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


even I saw this coming with astigmatism without wearing glasses from a mile away

dcalderon
February 27th 2016
435 Comments


someguest is an idiot, he made a stupid comment and then dig into his own shit because god forbid he's proven wrong.

Just call it by its name. This is an ACCUSATION and should be treated as such, which means the more facts, the more certainty. If you have 0 facts and still act with 100% certainty you are doing it wrong.

dcalderon
February 27th 2016
435 Comments


"Someguest is the man fxck u"

I don't care who he is (or she?, whatever), still wrong.

Gwyn.
February 27th 2016
16930 Comments


lol

dcalderon
February 27th 2016
435 Comments


'And ur a whiny little bitch (or pussy?)'

Sure

Ashen
February 27th 2016
1382 Comments


my sides 😁😁

thread needs a trigger warning for outbursts of tragic laughter

Ashen
February 27th 2016
1382 Comments


hella participation trophy generation itt

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


good one

Digging: Shun Tanabe - Shun Tanabe

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


did you miss the part where rape jokes weren't funny because imo that point was made pretty clear to anyone without cognitive impairments but I guess if you want to be part of the problem that's your prerogative given personal autonomy and all.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


I'm not joking. Winesburgohio raped me. I find your lack of empathy disgusting. You don't need proof, I'm telling you I was raped.

Frippertronics
February 27th 2016
11475 Comments


feel free to log off at any time

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


In fact, I couldn't quite make out your face zaruyache, but I'm fairly sure you were the second rapist in my gang bang hell. I'm going to drag your ass on twitter as well and make sure you get fired, harassed, and ostracized. I will not, however, be officially pressing charges.

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


I mean honestly this is all I have to say about this (tinyurld for convenience): http://tinyurl.com/ygxma8e


sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


hey guys why aren't there any women on sputnik?? guys?

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


"Honestly"? You don't even know the meaning of the word you sick rapist fuck.

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


anyone??

Mystletainn
February 27th 2016
4046 Comments


it's because sputnik is lame

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


I'm drunk and my posts are more competent than ghost's. Do us a favor hun and log out and don't log back in kthx kisses xoxo

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Ghost I am here for you man. Don't worry, I listen and believe. There is no way in Hell someone would fake an accusation.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


Yeah, because mocking the "guilty until proven otherwise" crowd is sooooo incompetent and stoopid lol wegotemguysyay!!11!

Maybe he raped her. Maybe he didn't. That's for a prosecutor to demonstrate with evidence in front of a jury. Period. If she wants justice take him to court. Shit, sue him for civil damages in addition while you're at it. People like me who think women should use the judicial system to its fullest and prosecute those who have wronged them are not the problem.

I've known people falsely accused of rape. It's serious and once it's happened that bottle cannot be closed. People who believe all women are telling the truth are just as guilty in this as those who automatically assume the accused to be lying. You're both jumping the gun and should shut the fuck up about it until details are known.


sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


then how about calling out the people who are already calling her a "lying cunt" before all the evidence has come out if you're so clever and above it all



GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


Are you illiterate?

"just as guilty in this as those who automatically assume the accused to be lying. You're both jumping the gun and should shut the fuck up about it until details are known."

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


"wow good thing I threw that in at the last minute so I wouldn't look like a total piece of shit"

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


Cause I hear GED programs are great at helping solve that these days. 70% success rate I'm told.

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


fuck you

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


Are you claiming I edited the post to include that? Cause if so you know you're being dishonest. If you just mean that I wrote it last b/c I'm trying to save face or something then please tell me where I previously wrote anything inconsistent with that part of my post. I never did.

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


yikes

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


your entire presence in this thread reeks of victim blaming bullshit

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


he's sarcastic, i dont think we can fully comprehend all that edge

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


oh man looks like I got triggered again XDDDD

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


Quote me back where I blamed her or said she was lying. Quote it.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


Likewise, point out where I said Gira was innocent.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


I made zero comment on this particular case or rape cases in general. I made one lone point; that you and others like you are being just as absurd as the "DIS BITCH BE LYIN'" crowd. You guys think you're being these protectors or something but you aren't.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


What you are doing though is ruining the lives of men who are falsely accused. But keep on keepin' on you righteous ass.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Technically I have no right to say this because he called me stupid too but... Holy shit REKT.

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


when did this place become reddit

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


maybe you should understand why some people don't want to take cases like these to court, especially when statutes of limitations and limits on physical evidence make it hard to "prove". but no, the only possible explanation is "wanting to ruin men's lives"


but your condescension is appreciated.

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


like i said pls ghost do us all that favor and log out thx

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


yeah REKT epic dude

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


yo six gimme ur gamer tag we can pwn these dudes in halo fosho aight

ShadowRemains
February 27th 2016
24476 Comments


shut the fuck up caliggy

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


every time you say his name you perpetuate his need to post again. It's like saying "Biggie Smalls" into a mirror.

ShadowRemains
February 27th 2016
24476 Comments


you kind of did the same thing to ghost aka hillaryclittongue lite

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Wait GHOST is HILLARYCLITTONGUE!?

Fucking wondered why he was so based.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


Six clearly doesn't understand how the legal system works.

1) SOLs on rape are always at least 3 years (very rare to even find one that short) and many states don't even have one for rape. These provide next to zero impediment to pressing charges. If a woman (or man) decides not to move on it that's their choice.

2) There is no alternative to putting the burden of proof on the accuser, because it's literally impossible to prove you didn't rape someone whom you had sex with. And to sit around and say "I didn't try because I might have lost" is not going to help anything. Yes, the system may fail you. But that is no reason whatsoever not to try. Maybe we should stop trying to prosecute murderers when the evidence is limited. After all, it's hard to prove and they may skate anyway.

By the way really enjoyed reading back those quotes you guys gave me. Good job finding proof for your own claims, jackasses.


zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


you fool you've doomed us all!

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


stop

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


https://youtu.be/1PoQ-XMUnCg?t=57s

Mystletainn
February 27th 2016
4046 Comments


that's why no girls are on this site ^

Kman418
February 27th 2016
13247 Comments


Wait GHOST is HILLARYCLITTONGUE!?
Fucking wondered why he was so based.[2]

ChaoticVortex
February 27th 2016
378 Comments


As expected this thread turned into a gigantic shitstorm. I read a comment on the Stereogum article that perfectly describes my feelings towards this case:

"Reading through all the comments on the earlier article (and the Ke$ha articles, both here and at the AV Club) I have come to the conclusion the best response/stance to take with this onslaught of horrible rape accusations is: yeah I have no idea!

Seriously, no matter what each person said, their comment was shit on. You take a "innocent until proven guilty" stance, and you're attacked for not believing the victim. You take a "fully support the victim" stance, and you're attacked for condemning a possibly innocent man and ruining his life if it's a false accusation. It's a fascinating read, I'll be honest, I was highly engrossed reading down each comment, changing my own opinion back and forth. I still truly don't know how to feel about this accusation, or the Ke$ha one, or any similar one (I do know how to feel about the Cosby ones - he's a piece of garbage). It's a shitty situation all around, that's all I've got."

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


yeah I'm not interested in this discussion at all. its been established that she isn't going to pursue charges.

just know that you aren't the only one who knows people who have been on one side or another in something like this. people are hurt by false accusations, but also by the stigma that comes along with making accusations in the first place.

maybe the best way to stay objective isn't with irony and jokes that can be misconstrued. I don't know

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


I was annoyed by a number of earlier posts made... was simply my way of expressing my displeasure.

I didn't claim to be the only one who knows someone who went through an incident like this, but nevertheless I agree with you that genuine accusers also face an uphill battle with the stigma (and often worse things) that comes with making accusations.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


I don't know who HILLARYCLITTONGUE is but I've been around for years. Two previous accounts were SarcasticBastard and SarcasticBastardV2 or something like that. All I ever did was make fun of Andcas.

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


you should see how many people are getting all nostalgic for andcas now

its kind of funny

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


Dude was my nigga (not of the diagonal variety), through good times and bad. His up-to-the-minute status updates on Frankie Palmeri completed me.

Gwyn.
February 27th 2016
16930 Comments


Isn't Andcas still a regular user on some site called mediasnobs or some shit

sixdegrees
February 27th 2016
22927 Comments


had no idea mediasnobs still existed tbh

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 27th 2016
3432 Comments


See, such is the power of Andcas. A thread ravaged by rape talk and nasty insults comes together in unison at the mere mention of his name.

Once lost, never forgotten.

jalexander311
February 27th 2016
19 Comments


This came around the same time as what Psalm Zero are dealing with...what's going on with Musicians being accused of sexual misbehaviour?

RustCohle
February 27th 2016
147 Comments


Who cares, Swans suck anyways...

Digging: Soen - Lykaia

CutMan
February 27th 2016
1907 Comments


Innocent till proven guilty, I can't know who's right. My heart goes out to whoever is innocent.

Gira's wife claims to have proof. We'll just have to wait and see. Whole situation is terrible.

Tunaboy45
February 27th 2016
13658 Comments


That's pretty shocking news

adr
February 27th 2016
11309 Comments


lol Gira went from ""scurrilous lies" to ""awkward mistake." or "That's really what happened without the rape tho" lol

altertide0
February 27th 2016
2735 Comments


adr link?

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


yeah i noticed that too lol

Cygnatti
February 27th 2016
30964 Comments


oh look another one lol

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


Who cares, Swans suck anyways...


They're no Envy, that's for sure.

adr
February 27th 2016
11309 Comments


It's on pitchfork

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


A man and a woman might feel differently about an encounter? Go figure.

Looks like this is more about sexual tension and adultery than rape, but hey what do I know.

CutMan
February 27th 2016
1907 Comments


adr: Oh, did he? I missed that, I'll go try to find that.

Tunaboy45
February 27th 2016
13658 Comments


Looks like this is more about sexual tension and adultery than rape, but hey what do I know.[2]

people are gonna jump to conclusions anyway though because that's how it always plays out

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


he basically confirmed the situation she described but said they hadn't "consumated". but before everything she was saying was a scandalous lie

Cygnatti
February 27th 2016
30964 Comments


can someone explain to me what happened with gaza again? i was around when the accusations first showed up but i don't remember hearing what happened after (legitimately curious). :]

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


arent u guys jumping to conclusions by saying it's "sexual tension and adultery" too? let's not pretend to be on the fence here

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


What is this nonsense about "jumping to conclusions"? Who gives a shit? This is a public forum for discussion, both real and hypothetical. We're talking it out as the details emerge.

Ashen
February 27th 2016
1382 Comments


moreso postulating than jumping to conclusions. someguest isn't really being definitive. it's an interesting story from both sides.

Edit: postulate isn't a good word for this context but whatever, as long as the thread stays civil

altertide0
February 27th 2016
2735 Comments


Thanks adr. Does it still qualify as rape if he "only" touched her? Because both Gira's and Grimm's accounts suggest there was no actual act. Of course, that doesn't matter much, because Gira's credibility is in ruins either way

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


Yeah, the liars emerge pretty quickly with things playing out in real time in front of the world now.

Ashen
February 27th 2016
1382 Comments


rape 1 (rāp)
n.
1.
a. The crime of using force or the threat of force to compel a person to submit to sexual intercourse.

it does not seem like what went down would fit the definition. but still, we have no absolute way of knowing, it is still speculation

altertide0
February 27th 2016
2735 Comments


Oh wait, she did say precisely that she had him in her. Still curious though.

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


"Thanks adr. Does it still qualify as rape if he "only" touched her? Because both Gira's and Grimm's accounts suggest there was no actual act. Of course, that doesn't matter much, because Gira's credibility is in ruins either way"

pretty sure she said she woke up with him inside her. so idk, i dont think there's any way to prove he did which is why this is such a sticky situation

altertide0
February 27th 2016
2735 Comments


Thanks Ashen. Yeah i wrote about that in my prev post Keyblade.

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


"a. The crime of using force or the threat of force to compel a person to submit to sexual intercourse.

it does not seem like what went down would fit the definition. but still, we have no absolute way of knowing, it is still speculation "

doesnt need to be force as you can rape someone without their consent if they're not even conscious to give it without the use of force...which is allegedly the case here

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


why this is such a sticky situation


Is that really the wording you used to describe an alleged rape?

lol

Tunaboy45
February 27th 2016
13658 Comments


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wol70cBLNd8

Ashen
February 27th 2016
1382 Comments


allegedly the case. the other side has a story to the contrary. nothing concrete in support of either yet, and there may never be. it's a sticky situation [2]
I'm going to bow out. i don't want to debate semantics

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


yes someguest, cuz I don't have the sense of humour of a 12 year old

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


And how could you? You're out in the ranks defending women over the Interent without evidence. A man on the frontlines with a gun but no bullets.

See ya, bitch.

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


lol @ defended. all ive literally said was there's no evidence either way

maybe u should put urself forward as gira's alibi considering you've had his dick in ur mouth for a hot minute now

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


pretty sure she said she woke up with him inside her.


you've had his dick in ur mouth for a hot minute now


have you come yet

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


ur like that kid who laughs whenever he sees the number 69. get laid bro

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


Hahaha. It was a stupid choice of words around these parts. And again, you're being a dolt and speaking of things you have no idea about. Time to take a break from Sputnik, my boy.

altertide0
February 27th 2016
2735 Comments


@OvDeath you're certainly right about the blurry details. So far it seems like the whole situation could have had many different ways of developing. Could be that Gira seemed trustworthy, and the rape (if it happened, od course) was a complete shock to Grimm, or it could be that Grimm knew about Gira's love for her, and she toyed with him and provoked him when she invitied him to bed (using the fact that he was drunk). Of course, don't get me wrong, in both of these scenarios the ultimate fault would be Gira's, but a bit lesser in the second one.

Again though, that's all pure speculation. All we know for sure are the bits that Gira and Grimm agree upon (which is not much) and that Gira's full of shit.

EyesWideShut
February 27th 2016
4252 Comments


you gotta have some kind sexual consent contract to fuck someone today. She brings hers, i bring mine, and the lawyer makes it official..

just about every messy breakup story is gonna have a least one rape situation in it.

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


Don't fuck psychos if you can't deal with the risk.

Mystletainn
February 27th 2016
4046 Comments


"you gotta have some kind sexual consent contract to fuck someone today. She brings hers, i bring mine, and the lawyer makes it official.."

You forgot the most important person, jesus.

Cygnatti
February 27th 2016
30964 Comments


god is always watching ;)

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


Now getting him to participate, that's the tricky part!

Nomos
February 27th 2016
1214 Comments


Whatever this "Larkin" is ( never heard of her,) she sure looks like a 60 year old women who's done way too much plastic surgery. What an attention whore.

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


But he's so big and strong!

Tunaboy45
February 27th 2016
13658 Comments


And so energetic in his sweaty overalls!

anarchistfish
February 27th 2016
25578 Comments


clearer picture of situation (still ambiguous/conflicting in parts)

http://pitchfork.com/news/63799-swans-michael-gira-issues-statement-on-rape-accusations-larkin-grimm-responds/

Tunaboy45
February 27th 2016
13658 Comments


This is just miserable.

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


I always believe the person USING CAPS.

EyesWideShut
February 27th 2016
4252 Comments


"I asked you to promise that you would never have sex with me."

"The "Demons darkening my soul" are the men like you who interfere with my ability to do my work as a musician"

is this chick just stupid or what... ?? she sounds like a middle school student..

MoosechriS
February 27th 2016
5859 Comments


The "too intoxicated to consent" case is one of the biggest grey areas, obviously some men have taken advantage of horrendously drunken women which is fucking terrible. However some cases seem to be that the man involved is just as intoxicated as the women, which is a whole other can of worms as the case could be argued that the man involved was too drunk to consent or be aware of consent. Unless she actually has said that she didn't consent at the time of things taking place it's all a bit ambiguous. I'm not saying either party is right or wrong in this case, but it's a grey area that has happened a lot in recent years in the uk.

owen
February 27th 2016
4540 Comments


he's just a little boy

Digging: Fred Frith / Darren Johnston - Everybody?s Somebody?s Nobody

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


Technically if you're both too drunk to consent it's rape for both, and wouldn't that have a cancelling effect?

MoosechriS
February 27th 2016
5859 Comments


This is obviously what i'm getting at, however the law in the uk nearly always sides with the women in cases.

altertide0
February 27th 2016
2735 Comments


Lol

MercuryToHell
February 27th 2016
1097 Comments


So...
Why was this post allowed comments?

someguest
February 27th 2016
27923 Comments


So you could ask us why this article was allowed to have posted comments.

Duh.

MercuryToHell
February 27th 2016
1097 Comments


Well. That's me told.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


LOL At drunkenness being a grey area.

Like, you CHOSE to drink alcohol. Whatever happens after that is your fault. I don't see people pissing in the street while drunk getting let go because "Hey I was drunk bro I didn't technically choose to piss in the street. If a girl is unconscious it is rape, plain and simple. But if she is drunk and fucking someone she don't got no fucking excuse. You chose to drink, that shits on you.

Conmaniac
February 27th 2016
10861 Comments


wait so who am I even supposed to believe? this is the problem with rape accusations...they are very difficult to prove.

Digging: Acid Ghost - WARHOL

Supercoolguy64
February 27th 2016
7854 Comments


indeed. this whole situation is just sad to hear about

becomesmusical
February 27th 2016
68 Comments


We don't even have definitive evidence (for or against either party) and yet many are so quick to denounce the accuser. It's as if you take offense at the possibility of your musical god not being perfect.

Going on statistics, I'm more inclined to believe Grimm's account than Gira's. Nevertheless, I'm reserving judgment until something, if anything, presents itself.

Calc
February 27th 2016
15336 Comments


"LOL At drunkenness being a grey area.

Like, you CHOSE to drink alcohol. Whatever happens after that is your fault. I don't see people pissing in the street while drunk getting let go because "Hey I was drunk bro I didn't technically choose to piss in the street. If a girl is unconscious it is rape, plain and simple. But if she is drunk and fucking someone she don't got no fucking excuse. You chose to drink, that shits on you."


most, if not all, states' laws say that drunk people cannot give consent. if this lady would've reported what happened when it happened a case could've been made but waiting 7-8 years? unless there was a witness or he admitted to doing it at some point nothing's going to happen to him.


Jasdevi087
February 27th 2016
3784 Comments


@CalligyJack how old are you?

MoosechriS
February 27th 2016
5859 Comments


"LOL At drunkenness being a grey area.

Like, you CHOSE to drink alcohol. Whatever happens after that is your fault. I don't see people pissing in the street while drunk getting let go because "Hey I was drunk bro I didn't technically choose to piss in the street. If a girl is unconscious it is rape, plain and simple. But if she is drunk and fucking someone she don't got no fucking excuse. You chose to drink, that shits on you."

that wasn't the point i was attempting to make at all, i may have worded it slightly wrong? I'm not saying that being drunk doesn't mean a person is to be held accoutable, what i'm trying to say is that a woman being classed as too drunk to consent is right. However a guy being as equally intoxicated who ends up sleeping with her is instantly branded. Like i said earlier if at any point a woman says "no" "i don't want to" "get off me" etc and the guy continues then he's crossed the line. But if a guy is as intoxicated as a woman who is apparently too drunk to consent then how is he aware that she is too drunk to consent?

i'm not sure if thats any clearer tbh, but yeah i'm not saying that being drunk absolves you of anything, but intoxication can make both parties unable to judge the situation.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Yet they still judge regardless to drink alcohol. I'm sorry, but nobody can really be "Too drunk to consent" unless they are unconscious. If a completely sober dude has sex with a shitfaced chick who consents, it should still be fine. She was still drunk, she didn't have to get drunk. By getting drunk, she practically acknowledged that shit was going to happen from the beginning. Like seriously, I don't understand why people think they aren't going to act like complete morons when they are drunk.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Bottom line, can't stand waking up in the morning realizing you just had sex when you were drunk? Don't fucking get drunk. SMDH

Jasdevi087
February 27th 2016
3784 Comments


holy shit shut the fuck up like wow

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


How about no? Are you mad because I am not going to cater to someone who can't handle responsibility for their own actions?

Jasdevi087
February 27th 2016
3784 Comments


Yeah I am mad, actually. I mad because you seem to think that if you get drunk, you know that your judgement's not going to be all that hot, so if you end up drinking to much (which you don't often realise you've done) and get fucked and regret it in the morning, it shouldn't be a big deal cause, "oh well, you know what happens when you get drunk, so don't drink if you don't want to be taken advantage of." How is this not a grey area to you? When you're drunk, especially so drunk that you're unable to effectively make a decision (which, as I stated, you're not often aware of), you're not fully able to recognise a situation that you would otherwise not be ok with. I'm not saying you should go out and cry "rape" if it happens to you, but I think you need to be more aware that sex, for women especially, isn't something that you can just roll over and accept just because you were drunk and when you're drunk you make dumb decisions. But anyway, I want to address this, as this is actually what fucked me off the most:

"If a completely sober dude has sex with a shitfaced chick who consents, it should still be fine. She was still drunk, she didn't have to get drunk. By getting drunk, she practically acknowledged that shit was going to happen from the beginning. Like seriously, I don't understand why people think they aren't going to act like complete morons when they are drunk."

that's one of the most naive things I've ever read. Like I said before, when you're drunk, you aren't always able to distinguish situations that you ordinarily would not be ok with. If the guy was completely sober, like you suggest in that example, that would not be fine, that would be taking advantage. It is a grey area, just because someone had sex while they were conscious, it does not directly imply consent. If the guy was drunk too, it's a different story and much more of a grey area. But, if the guy was completely sober, and the woman was shitfaced, that's taking advantage, and is never ok no matter how you try to splice it up.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Stop making consent such a 10-page manual. It is a simple yes or no. Nobody forces anyone to drink alcohol. She is still responsible. It isn't a big deal because she was drunk. You can't sit there and say "It's not my fault even though I chose to drink an intoxicating beverage!" "I wasn't thinking straight even though my judgement was fine when I took that first sip."

JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


"If a completely sober dude has sex with a shitfaced chick who consents, it should still be fine. She was still drunk, she didn't have to get drunk. By getting drunk, she practically acknowledged that shit was going to happen from the beginning."

What the actual fuck? Seriously? Are you seriously that much of an ignorant asshole to claim said things?

JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


"It is a simple yes or no."

Oh, because society is in black and white, right? Gray areas do exist.

Jasdevi087
February 27th 2016
3784 Comments


"Stop making consent such a 10-page manual. It is a simple yes or no. Nobody forces anyone to drink alcohol. She is still responsible. It isn't a big deal because she was drunk. You can't sit there and say "It's not my fault even though I chose to drink an intoxicating beverage!" "I wasn't thinking straight even though my judgement was fine when I took that first sip.""

Oh so you are actually just fucking stupid, ok then, I'm way too sober to have this discussion with you right now

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


wow smh

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Oh yeah. My bad! I forgot that we are all influenced and forced to drink alcohol and not avoid it like the poison it really is.

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


"but nobody can really be "Too drunk to consent" unless they are unconscious. If a completely sober dude has sex with a shitfaced chick who consents, it should still be fine. "

I think it's safe to assume, everyone, that Caliggy is either painfully misogynistic or simply has never experienced alcoholic intoxication (or he's just an idiot). If you've ever gotten drunk before (or, really, read anything about the accounts of people who were drunk), then you should know that everything you've said in your above posts is painfully out of touch with reality. Either learn what the hell you're talking about, or log off this site and don't continue engaging in this conversation. The adults can handle this without you, thanks.

Jasdevi087
February 27th 2016
3784 Comments


"Oh yeah. My bad! I forgot that we are all influenced and forced to drink alcohol and not avoid it like the poison it really is."

that is absolutely not the point, but ok

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


"misogynistic"

Oh get over yourself. You labeling me doesn't eliminate my point in the slightest.

JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


"Caliggy is either painfully misogynistic or simply has never experienced alcoholic intoxication" [234234234]

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


A woman should be able to walk down the street without being oggled and cat-called just as she should be able to get falling-down drunk without fear of getting raped due to her lowered inhibitions and reduction in decision-making skills. Wtf are you on about caliggy

JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


EXACTLY, zaruyache. Thank you.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


"A woman should be able to walk down the street without being oggled and cat-called"

Who the fuck is that sensitive they let this shit get to them?

"just as she should be able to get falling-down drunk without fear of getting raped due to her lowered inhibitions and reduction in decision-making skills. Wtf are you on about caliggy"

"I deserve to do what I want with no consequences whatsoever for my actions!"

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


this was caliggy's first post itt "Larkin's a fucking liar and she's gonna be caught redhanded for it too. This is disgusting. Seriously, fuck this lying psychopath."

dude is about as impartial as tommy heinsohn at a celtics game

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


No you deserve to be able to do what you want with your own body without fear OF PEOPLE RAPING YOU. What kind of rape apologist are you that you think someone should--because that's what you're implying here--expect to get raped if they get too drunk? I don't know what your life background is here or how old you are, but you're honestly really out-of-touch with how this stuff really works.

Mystletainn
February 27th 2016
4046 Comments


"A woman should be able to walk down the street without being oggled and cat-called"

jeez what a white knight

Kman418
February 27th 2016
13247 Comments


anyone who 5s multiple whitehouse albums is probably a terrible person by default already so none of this is really surprising

JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


"No you deserve to be able to do what you want with your own body without fear OF PEOPLE RAPING YOU. What kind of rape apologist are you that you think someone should--because that's what you're implying here--expect to get raped if they get too drunk? I don't know what your life background is here or how old you are, but you're honestly really out-of-touch with how this stuff really works."

Thank you, once more. I appreciate seeing some sense on this thread. (Not that there hasn't been any, just very little.)

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


also his view of men is also really low since he assumes dudes just be on the prowl to stick they junk in drunk chicks like wtf is that

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


"anyone who 5s multiple whitehouse albums is probably a terrible person by default already so none of this is really surprising"

I didn't think anyone was going to actually play the "Judge person by their taste in music" card. Congrats.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


LOL I didn't imply men are just on the prowl to fuck women. I am talking about a situation.

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


"also his view of men is also really low since he assumes dudes just be on the prowl to stick they junk in drunk chicks like wtf is that"

it's called projection dude

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Again, I never once said or implied all men are out to just fucking rape women. Sober people having sex with drunk people is nothing new.

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


"LOL I didn't imply men are just on the prowl to fuck women. I am talking about a situation."

Logic 1.01 says that if you think women should be wary of getting raped [by men] when they get too drunk, then obviously there are enough rape-happy dudes out there looking to take advantage of drunk chicks in the first place.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Also Zaruyache, you're one to talk considering you think Women are so weak that they can't handle being fucking cat called and oggled. Pot calling kettle black.

Kman418
February 27th 2016
13247 Comments


if you choose to listen to whitehouse actively you should expect people will assume you're probably a terrible person u should take responsibility for your own actions dude

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Women rape Women, Men rape Men, Men rape Women, Women rape Men.

Doesn't make a fucking difference it is still rape. I am not going to make 4 different arguments involving four situations of rape from all gender spectrums. Not fucking happening.

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


lol kman

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Kman418

I wholeheartedly expect these things to happen when I openly talk about my fandom for Whitehouse. It is a logical consequence that people will think I am terrible person. However, that doesn't make what you said and what the countless people who say the same thing say, any less fucking stupid.

Kman418
February 27th 2016
13247 Comments


"hm this song called rapemaster by the band whitehouse is really good" -jack probably

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


"they can't handle being fucking cat called and oggled."

oh dude women have "handled" it since it became socially acceptable for men to do it in the first place; it's not about their being able to "handle" it so much as it is the fact that it's sexist and crude and we as a society should never have been accepting of it in the first place. If you can't understand simple points like wtf are you even still doing here. Don't you have like Trigonometry homework to do or something?

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Holy fucking shit you are hilarious. Most of Whitehouse's shit is poised in a Tongue-in-Cheek manner. As in you don't take it more seriously than it needs to be. Congrats, you also missed the whole fucking point of Whitehouse.

JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


He didn't say we're weak. He said that we shouldn't be cat-called or oggled constantly, as we are. You don't see us calling dudes out or other girls out contantly like that.

Calc
February 27th 2016
15336 Comments


"Yet they still judge regardless to drink alcohol. I'm sorry, but nobody can really be "Too drunk to consent" unless they are unconscious. If a completely sober dude has sex with a shitfaced chick who consents, it should still be fine. She was still drunk, she didn't have to get drunk. By getting drunk, she practically acknowledged that shit was going to happen from the beginning. Like seriously, I don't understand why people think they aren't going to act like complete morons when they are drunk."

i hope you test this theory of yours one day.

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


Nope, because if you did cat call or oggle men, I think their self-esteem would increase. And we can't have men feeling good about themselves can we?

Kman418
February 27th 2016
13247 Comments


"if you did cat call or oggle men, I think their self-esteem would increase"
omgggg

JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


Oh god, this Caliggy dude is a fucking character.

Jasdevi087
February 27th 2016
3784 Comments


"Nope, because if you did cat call or oggle men, I think their self-esteem would increase. And we can't have men feeling good about themselves can we?"

I think you'll find that women and men do not think the same way, and I also think you'll find that women find it objectifying to be cat called or oggled by strangers on the street when they're just trying to go about their day

JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


He's dillusional as fuck.

Jasdevi087
February 27th 2016
3784 Comments


I also think you'll find that if it did happen to men, the same principle would probably apply

zaruyache
February 27th 2016
15988 Comments


Because there's nothing I want more than for random women on the street to call me "baby" and make kissy noises and whistle at me. Man I wish shady chicks would do that to me, why is life so unfair

CaliggyJack
February 27th 2016
1538 Comments


"objectifying."

oi vey

You know what. I'm done here. We are never going to reach an agreement in the slightest so I am done. Continue to live in your echo chamber, I'm out.

Hellscythe
February 27th 2016
1537 Comments


I sympathize with and fear for the women in Caliggy's life, although judging by the personality he's displayed I would expect there are very few of those to begin with

Kman418
February 27th 2016
13247 Comments


dude have u ever actually like interacted with a woman for more than like 5 minutes just wondering

H61
February 27th 2016
286 Comments


go live in ur ECHO CHAMBER interacting with women and all that PC stuff, i am out

Calc
February 27th 2016
15336 Comments


lol what a moron.



JigglyPDiddy
February 27th 2016
2557 Comments


The dude's off the deep end.

Jasdevi087
February 27th 2016
3784 Comments


Yeah I'd definitely advise leaving this thread alone buddy, since what you're saying is completely misguided, misogynistic and delusional (whether you realise it or not, which you clearly don't) and you are refusing to listen to anything anyone is saying to you. i do hope you realise all of this one day, or good luck in the real world

hal1ax
February 27th 2016
5660 Comments


I sympathize with and fear for the women in Caliggy's life [2]

Keyblade
February 27th 2016
23940 Comments


and stay off reddit

SgtAenema
February 27th 2016
484 Comments


yikes

Gwyn.
February 27th 2016
16930 Comments


For the record rapemaster is a great song

Supercoolguy64
February 27th 2016
7854 Comments


what's even going on with this thread

Trophycase
February 28th 2016
320 Comments


Will still buy the new record.

LordePots
February 28th 2016
35866 Comments


yeah facebook is the place to make rape allegations

Digging: Jamila Woods - HEAVN

zaruyache
February 28th 2016
15988 Comments


can we just let this thread die now please

LordePots
February 28th 2016
35866 Comments


wow that caliggyjack guy is a special kind of stupid my god

EyesWideShut
February 28th 2016
4252 Comments


this rape trend is really something else these days.. tbh i feel sorry for what Bill Cosby is going through the most. Every women he ever slept with is coming out 30 years later saying he "raped me".. in what world would a bunch of white women not go to the police the next day if they even suspected a rich black man raped them.. smh.

bach
February 28th 2016
15394 Comments


yeah fuck the 50+ plus women he drugged and raped i feel bad for bill cosby i cant even watch re runs of little bill anymore smh

zaruyache
February 28th 2016
15988 Comments


and we have like court statements where cosby admitted to giving women drugs

EyesWideShut
February 28th 2016
4252 Comments


its gonna be close to 200 women when its all said and done, shit even the ones he paid for are gonna plead "rape".. you aint going to Bill's room at 1am to eat some jelly pudding.. smh.

bach
February 28th 2016
15394 Comments


nah they went to his room because he brought them there after he spiked their drinks with drugs and raped them smh no puddin pops smh FAT ALBERT

Trophycase
February 28th 2016
320 Comments


You ain't going to his room at 1am because you gettin' carried.

"Cosby admitted he had extramarital sex with at least five women, and acquired prescription sedatives to give to women he wanted to have sex with. He's maintained that the sex was always consensual."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/31/us/bill-cosby-whats-next/

Trophycase
February 28th 2016
320 Comments


Double post

EyesWideShut
February 28th 2016
4252 Comments


insane amounts of drugs were getting past around back then.. both parties were high, the girls were just blasted and Bill was high.. he mentions sex and it happens.. Like i said in what world would a bunch of white women not run to the police that next day if a black man raped them.

people act like he had chloroform and dragged these girls into his room.. smh.. Bill has a lot of money its nothing for him to buy a woman for the night.. And to top it off a concert line of women wait 30 years later to press charges..

EyesWideShut
February 28th 2016
4252 Comments


dude just doesnt have any fight left in him at age 90 for this shit.

Keyblade
February 28th 2016
23940 Comments


i drugged them but it was all consensual tho lel XD

Ashen
February 28th 2016
1382 Comments


i drug myself and consent to rub one off sometimes

Frippertronics
February 28th 2016
11475 Comments


in and out and in and out again

zaruyache
February 28th 2016
15988 Comments


Eyes are you being facetious for the lulz or are you legit that dumb

Dmax28
February 28th 2016
322 Comments


I thought the Cosby story was that he drugged the women.

EyesWideShut
February 28th 2016
4252 Comments


Bill AND the women were high a fuck. truth.

Keyblade
February 28th 2016
23940 Comments


id imagine he didnt take any sedatives tho

Green Baron
February 28th 2016
22976 Comments


I know this is a bit off topic, but what's so bad about Reddit? I think it's a fun site that allows you to read lots of entertaining things and get people's perspectives on topics. Don't see the link to sexism or whatnot.

Gwyn.
February 28th 2016
16930 Comments


You've probably never seen the political discourse in the site then, Reddit is like an anti-tumblr in that instead of inhabiting fat feminist cunts it inhabits fat neckbeard cunts

They're both pretty bad when you don't know what you're doing but if you know who and what to follow they're entertaining enough places to use

Green Baron
February 28th 2016
22976 Comments


yeah I normally stick to sports and music subreddits and the occasional TIFU so I've never really seen any of that yet

SnakeDelilah
February 28th 2016
18235 Comments


Like, you CHOSE to drink alcohol. Whatever happens after that is your fault.


brb killing myself

SnakeDelilah
February 28th 2016
18235 Comments


seriously i don't know who is worse: ascension or caliggy

ArsMoriendi
February 28th 2016
19854 Comments


So in this thread I learned that CaliggyJack thinks that victim blaming when it comes to rape is okay if the girl was drunk.

Seriously, what the actual fuck. Sputnik, I know we're not PC, but can we also not be idiotic?

Digging: Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas

Frippertronics
February 28th 2016
11475 Comments


does not compute

Cryptkeeper
February 28th 2016
1621 Comments


If you choose to get wasted as fuck you should be able to handle yourself when you're that drunk. It's fucking basic logic.
If I get completely smashed and lose 5 teeth by divebombing the pavement I can't blame the city officials for their placement of infrastructure.
This is assuming both parties are drunk.

Gwyn.
February 28th 2016
16930 Comments


No, the whole thing is about when one of the two is drunk and the other isn't. Assuming you're not already in an actively sexual relationship with the drunk person then if you have sex with the drunk person in question then you are taking advantage of it no matter how you spin it (Eevn then you could still argue that if you're already active sexually with the drunk partner, but they're not likely to care).

If both parties are drunk then neither one has anymore or less fault than the other - They both chose to get drunk and they both will have to accept the consequences if they fuck up.

Cryptkeeper
February 28th 2016
1621 Comments


Yeah I don't think Bill was sober when that happened. Now it's just hounding for money.

Gwyn.
February 28th 2016
16930 Comments


Oh, I wouldn't really know, I don't care about Bill Cosby, I've never seen his shows and his movies look astoundingly shitty so he means literally nothing to me, I'm talking in general

CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


Ok ok ok. I am going to tone down my attitude as I attempt to understand how it is a bad thing when sober people have sex with drunk people.

So let me get this straight.

Despite the fact that the person chooses to drink the alcohol, which they do not have to btw, if a person who was sober were to have sex with this person. It is rape? Which means that said person shouldn't ever have sex with a consenting person if he is drunk. Am I getting this right?

Fine.

I concede the point made towards sober with drunk person. It is rape if said person is sober when he/she has sex with drunk person. However, I admit it seems illogical to me for someone to expect nothing bad to happen when getting shitfaced, but that's just me. I still maintain that both sexual, consenting partners, if both are drunk, should be absolved from rape accusations on the grounds that neither can completely think straight when sex has occurred.

Keyblade
February 28th 2016
23940 Comments


" Which means that said person shouldn't ever have sex with a consenting person if he is drunk. Am I getting this right?"

you dont have the mental faculties to properly consent when ur drunk what's so hard to understand about that?

Arcade
Staff Reviewer
February 28th 2016
8106 Comments


highly recommend closing this thread for commenting

Digging: Dirty Projectors - Dirty Projectors

CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


It's not that I don't understand that. It is that why is she taking said risk in the first place? My point, which is obviously not shared by anybody, was that simply drinking the alcohol in any capacity was opening up a can of worms. To me, it seems as if said person should take responsibility for the action of drinking the alcohol in the first place. It's not like people don't know beforehand that alcohol makes people drunk right?

Of course I have already conceded this. I have admitted your correct viewpoint regardless of how logical or illogical my original opinion was.

Keyblade
February 28th 2016
23940 Comments


you run the risk of getting drunk when you drink alcohol yes, and should take responsibility for getting drunk and whatever you might do as a result. but in no way should you take responsibility for being taken advantage of


CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


I am not sure I understand. What should the person take responsibility for? Shouldn't the responsibility be placed on the sober party and not the drunk one? It is "Technically" rape after all and, if the person was taken advantage of, there is no responsibility for said drunk person to take. Perhaps I am looking too far into technical aspects of the idea when maybe I should be putting more sympathetic or empathetic viewpoints.

Keyblade
February 28th 2016
23940 Comments


yeah the responsibility is on the sober party in that case

what im saying is that the drunk person only takes responsibility for the actions they commit while they're drunk. like drunk driving for example and any damage caused as a result. there's no excuse for being drunk there. this is where your earlier logic can apply

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
February 28th 2016
5774 Comments


If you're drunk and you perpetrate a crime, then yes. If you are drunk and someone else sees that as a window of opportunity then obv it's not ok.
why do you think bars stop serving people after they get shitfaced? they don't what to be ~responsible~ for killing the person

Cryptkeeper
February 28th 2016
1621 Comments


I mean taking advantage of someone is wrong, but I don't think it's as bad as forcefully raping someone. I get that it's the same judicially, but there should be a line drawn there imo.

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
February 28th 2016
5774 Comments


the only difference is the level of difficulty. your safest bet is to just not sleep with someone who's much drunker than yourself. there's always exceptions, but

CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


I see. I can see where my opinion crosses certain boundaries. My opinion was (I can sugarcoat it all I want but it was basically this), you drink and everything that happens to you is your fault. Frankly, a part of me still feels that way. However, the lines between when said person is consenting while drunk and whether the other party is drunk as well can be blurred in certain formats. In this instance, my point on the fact that it's all the drinkers fault was based on the equation of [Fun=Consequence+Pleasure].

Utilizing this simple equation, one would simply take the opinion of "If you want to have fun, you must accept all unfun things that come with it."

The REAL equation should travel more along the lines of [Fun=Pleasure+Consequence-Non-Self Committed Consequences] This takes away consequences that do not involve the actions of intended person. This means that fun has consequences, but some consequences are not equal to the repercussions given. This means that drinking the alcohol is not the beginning of the fun and unfun parts. The drinking is the neutral zone in which whatever happens, happens depending on actions taking place afterwards.

I didn't even think of how illogical my own concept was. If a woman slipped on a wet floor with no wet floor sign (Person drinks and gets taken advantage of by sober person who is not drunk), who is to blame? We cannot blame the woman who slipped because she was given no notification the floor is wet, and therefore could not make the conscious decision to walk slowly. (Person wasn't completely aware of situation and consented to sex with a sober person who knew drunk person wasn't 100%). Normally I would've said "it's her fault for walking on the floor she should have been paying attention at the floor durr hurr", when that is just not fair.

That's the crux of it huh?

It isn't fair. A sober person is not equal to a drunk person. Therefore, such parties should never sexually interact because there is a specific lack of equal balance. In order for sex to occur it must be between two sober people, or two drunk people, never in between. Otherwise, it isn't fair.

Tunaboy45
February 28th 2016
13658 Comments


If you're having sex with someone who's completely pissed to the point of not knowing where they are then you're just asking to be called a rapist whether you see it that way or not.

CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


Case and point. Regardless of my opinion on the matter, my viewpoint would not have held up in a court of law.

Gwyn.
February 28th 2016
16930 Comments


Finding random chicks on clubs to fuck them while they're shitfaced is essentially rape even if it's not forceful or violent because you're still fucking someone who can't give a proper consent

But if it's someone you've already fucked and you still fuck with actively then it's pretty okay, like I find it hard to believe your spouse would get mad at you for fucking them while drunk.

This also brings to question what happens when the drunk person is the one making the advances and is forceful about it, though that's a different can of worms.

CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


I think that still should be rape though. If the drunk person is being advanced on by a drunk person, the sober one has the complete capability to reject the advances, which he/she should. By not doing that, they are taking advantage of someone. Unless of course, the drunk person is threatening you unless you have sex with said person.

CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


Where I live in the US, most of the time both parties are drunk, girls moreso. Most of the time they instigate such sexual activity. One thing I have noticed lately, on yik yak (A really dumb twitter knock off), is that many of the women are complaining about the men not taking initiative and them having to do all the work. The men, are saying that the women are getting drunk too fast and too much and are worried about repercussions of sexual activity with them.

Basically, nobodies fucking anyone.

Flugmorph
February 28th 2016
14527 Comments


this thread went out of proportions

Tunaboy45
February 28th 2016
13658 Comments


Well there's the overpopulation problem solved, tell mother nature to cancel the cull.

CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


Pretty much tuna. Reminds me of Chiraq in a way lol.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 28th 2016
3432 Comments


Holy fuck I'm not reading that pile of shit so if already answered then just ignore this, but I've gotta question for Sora. If a drunk girl buys a lottery ticket from a store clerk should she be able to get a refund when she sobers up?

*Disclaimer* - It's not okay for a sober person to coerce a shitfaced person into having sex.

Keyblade
February 28th 2016
23940 Comments


i said they're responsible for their actions, do you have trouble reading?

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 28th 2016
3432 Comments


Cause in contract law those cases only come out one way.

HooeyShooShoo
February 28th 2016
1 Comments


Maybe I'm not understanding the situation here, but just to be clear...I don't believe having sex while you were wasted necessarily means you were raped. I don't believe making a bad decision while you were intoxicated means you were forced to make that decision. Or, to put it even more clearly, if you are conscious and consent to sex with another person (either verbally or through reciprocating physical affection) then that is consent. Regardless of intoxication of either party. The fact that someone can get a rape accusation thrown at them for that is an insane prospect to me.

However, If a person has sex with you against your will that's rape. Duh. If they have sex with you while you're unconscious that's rape too. Double duh. If they have sex with you while you're technically conscious, but too whacked out of your mind to form coherent words or even know what the fuck is going on then that's rape as well. Triple duh! And what Larkin Grimm seems to be insinuating is that one of the second two things is what happened. She's says she "woke up" to Gira having sex with her. That's rape. Nothing she's said indicates to me that this is a "grey area".

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 28th 2016
3432 Comments


"but in no way should you take responsibility for being taken advantage of"

That's the part I was responding to, Roxas. Where is your line being drawn?

Aftertheascension
February 28th 2016
3565 Comments


100% sure this is another false rape accusation.

Keyblade
February 28th 2016
23940 Comments


"That's the part I was responding to, Roxas. Where is your line being drawn?"

you literally agreed with me with your disclaimer which is exactly what i meant by taken advantage of

Keyblade
February 28th 2016
23940 Comments


"100% sure this is another false rape accusation."

oh sweet here comes neckbeard edgelord extrordinaire ascension with another nugget of wisdom. thread is gonna reach unprecedented levels of shit now, im out

Tunaboy45
February 28th 2016
13658 Comments


Same here, bye everyone, have fun when the thread gets nuked and you all die from the fallout.

Flugmorph
February 28th 2016
14527 Comments


bandwagon from two year ago ascension huh?

CaliggyJack
February 28th 2016
1538 Comments


i already admitted my wrong so i'm out as well.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
February 28th 2016
3432 Comments


So that's your line then, Kairi? Sexual taking advantage of = bad, anything else and they are accountable despite intoxication? I'm just trying to tease this out of you because your attitude suggests otherwise.

emester
February 28th 2016
7956 Comments


NECKBEARDS: THE THREAD

Pretty much the summation.

trve
February 28th 2016
1431 Comments


"Same here, bye everyone, have fun when the thread gets nuked and you all die from the fallout."

at least someone got my "more cancer inducing than a cobalt bomb" comment

Cryptkeeper
February 28th 2016
1621 Comments


You misspelled Tumblr

PumpBoffBag
February 28th 2016
839 Comments


late to the party, but goddamn.

I'm more disgusted with the autists in this thread than the allegations.

Digging: Sampha - Process

SnakeDelilah
February 28th 2016
18235 Comments


If I get completely smashed and lose 5 teeth by divebombing the pavement I can't blame the city officials for their placement of infrastructure.


yeah but the difference here is that you can't control rape

Cryptkeeper
February 28th 2016
1621 Comments


"This is assuming both parties are drunk"

This was about alcohol and sex, you really should learn to read an entire comment.

SnakeDelilah
February 28th 2016
18235 Comments


yeah i honestly couldn't tell if you were victim blaming i had to read the rest of your comments sorry

Cryptkeeper
February 28th 2016
1621 Comments


So you're saying that when 2 parties are drunk all the blame is on the dude.
That is especially nuanced and realistic.
Fucking white knighting all day long.

SnakeDelilah
February 28th 2016
18235 Comments


i edited my comment because i can't read

Cryptkeeper
February 28th 2016
1621 Comments


E: nvm

cleanpeter
February 28th 2016
115 Comments


y'know what rhymes with awkward mistake?

Piglet
February 28th 2016
6294 Comments


pussyfooted piss-steak?

bach
February 28th 2016
15394 Comments


some of you really wonder why you cant get laid

owen
February 28th 2016
4540 Comments


"What a slanderous lie! I will release a statement soon"
"Yeah okay I kinda did it"

DinosaurJones
February 29th 2016
4857 Comments


This is a goddamn trainwreck.

anarchistfish
February 29th 2016
25578 Comments



"What a slanderous lie! I will release a statement soon"
"Yeah okay I kinda did it"

lol p much

Ignimbrite
February 29th 2016
6141 Comments


wow so many neckbeards itt

Cryptkeeper
February 29th 2016
1621 Comments


Lol he didn't

MyNameIsPencil
February 29th 2016
4730 Comments


can we fucking delete this thread?

Digging: Ulcerate - Everything Is Fire

alienobserver
February 29th 2016
3181 Comments


can u stop contributing nothing to the thread and telling the mods to delete it because u saw some opinions u didn't like

alienobserver
February 29th 2016
3181 Comments


man everybody loves to throw around flavor of the fucking month buzzwords like sjw and neckbeard lmao y'all are a bunch of babies.
"ur a neckbeard because there's no proof michael gira raped anybody and ur standing up for him"
"ur an sjw because ur saying u shouldn't dismiss a woman's word so quickly when it comes to an extremely sensitive accusation such as rape"

sod off

Sinternet
February 29th 2016
11876 Comments


log off dude

alienobserver
February 29th 2016
3181 Comments


ctrl+f "sinternet"
27 results

not surprised t b h

MyNameIsPencil
February 29th 2016
4730 Comments


lmao sure.

at least this thread confirmed Caliggy as worse user

evilford
February 29th 2016
35479 Comments


""Thought it said Michael Cera for a minute there"

Haha I thought it was just me"

lol me too

hamid95
March 3rd 2016
298 Comments


"gonna be some great discussion about this here on sputnikmusic.com"

oh yessiree.

JonEthan
March 4th 2016
237 Comments


"I cut 6 years of my lifespan reading this comment thread!"

-Oprah

Alastor
March 4th 2016
1633 Comments


Public Castration Is a Good Idea

TheSonomaDude
March 4th 2016
4999 Comments


This sucks

owen
March 5th 2016
4540 Comments


Gira's (ex-)wives are sticking up for him

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


what's the evidence

what

how did this pass me by

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


ok welp, no evidence at all

innocent guy? where's the court case?

Cryptkeeper
March 5th 2016
1621 Comments


Of course there's no evidence, otherwise they'd already preparing to go to court.

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


so, innocent guy

zaruyache
March 5th 2016
15988 Comments


Grimm's old band made a statement about the situation; they seem to be of the opinion that her mental health issues could've played a role in this. Seems understandable, though I'd still like to see what Gira's wife was talking about. (If you have mental health issues pls get help thx.)

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


Makes sense. One night she was sittin' at home thinkin' about the D, wishin' she could have had a piece of it that night it almost happened. Then flipped her shit.

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


If she has mental problems, she should get them fixed yeah. It's some ugly shit

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


As long as she doesn't take pills. Pills are dumb. Masking the problem isn't dealing with it.

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


masking the problem is literally vanishing the problem, it's behaviour and feelings that pills change, and if neither of those manifest no longer, then it's literally the same thing

her problem obviously has to be dealt with with a psychologist tho

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


No, it isn't the same thing. It isn't dealing with your issues on a personal level. It's taking a commercial product and covering the issue like throwing a blanket over an out of control fire.

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


sometimes there is no issue tho. there's no personal event that causes this or that, sometimes people are like that

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


Sometimes people just have a constant chemical imbalance? Sure. But there's still alternatives.

I won't try and hide that I've always been anti-pharmaceutical. We can't trust corporations to protect the environment, but we think they'll respect our bodies? It's an absurd expectation. People need to limit their exposure to anything an entity pumps out for profit.

Frippertronics
March 5th 2016
11475 Comments


edit - nevermind

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


Aww, Fripp. C'mon. Say it!

;)

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


the existence of alternatives doesn't imply people shouldn't use medicine

"We can't trust corporations to protect the environment, but we think they'll respect our bodies?" -- sure, why not? damages to the body are immediately apparent, which in turn makes people vigil for side-effects more attentively

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


Medicine for physical symptoms for things that can be measured - absolutely. Mental illness can't be measured quantitatively. How can it be treated without a measurement of medicine when it has no measurement itself?

And side effects are not always immediately apparent either.

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


"Mental illness can't be measured quantitatively. How can it be treated without a measurement of medicine when it has no measurement itself?" -- are u not familiar with how testing for medicine works?

"And side effects are not always immediately apparent either" -- I meant on a society-level time-scale. Environmental damage takes a much, much longer time than it takes for a generation of a medicament to cause noticeable, reported side-effects in its' users

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


just as a heads-up: i also think that psychological treatment is also required to fix mental problems. i just don't think we should discard medicine as a solution/alternative, much less because it's ~*commercial*~

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


are u not familiar with how testing for medicine works


Using this logic pills for mental illnesses must be in a constant state of testing?

Environmental damage takes a much, much longer time than it takes for a generation of a medicament to cause noticeable, reported side-effects in its' users


Yes, but like medicine you kind of have an early inclination of what's going to happen later down the line. You just turn your head and hope it doesn't come to fruition.

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


"Using this logic pills for mental illnesses must be in a constant state of testing?" -- they are, the patients are always reporting side-effects of medicine, and studies are regularly conducted to test for any of those reported side-effects to confirm them

"Yes, but like medicine you kind of have an early inclination of what's going to happen later down the line. You just turn your head and hope it doesn't come to fruition" -- but obviously, people do care more about what happens with the medicine they take/food they eat than what companies might do to the environment, wouldn't you agree?

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


they are, the patients are always reporting side-effects of medicine, and studies are regularly conducted to test for any of those reported side-effects to confirm them


Heh, not my point. They're approved for market. Testing should be complete - that's why they're in the testing phase for up to a decade before they're released to the general public. There shouldn't be anymore side effects emerging. If there are, the company probably already knew about them, or had inclinations toward them.

but obviously, people do care more about what happens with the medicine they take/food they eat than what companies might do to the environment, wouldn't you agree?


I do agree but the number of people who just do what their doctors recommend is staggering. There's no second guessing on their part. You have to question. There's examples in my own family where individuals have just done or listened to whatever their physician told them and it's royally fucked them over. They're still people. And anything that deviates from their books of study they really still don't have a clue.

Asdfp277
March 5th 2016
13291 Comments


"They're approved for market. Testing should be complete - that's why they're in the testing phase for up to a decade before they're released to the general public. There shouldn't be anymore side effects emerging. If there are, the company probably already knew about them, or had inclinations toward them"

regardless of whatever the companies might want, since they're constantly being reviewed by practitioners and users, it's of no use to try and hide any side-effects found in their medicaments. You don't have to be so cynical about it, they are very well aware that hiding side-effects is gonna come back and bite their asses. It's just that you can't find out everything about a medicament in controlled studies, but the general public is very good at it tho; maybe they honest-to-god didn't find it.

What prominent examples do you have of this? I know of only one case, in which a pharmaceutical company withheld knowledge of some side-effects of an antidepressant (weight gain), and it only came back to bite their asses shortly after

"I do agree but the number of people who just do what their doctors recommend is staggering. There's no second guessing on their part"

Thing is, while not everyone questions, at least someone will, and that's all it takes.

"There's examples in my own family where individuals have just done or listened to whatever their physician told them and it's royally fucked them over. They're still people. And anything that deviates from their books of study they really still don't have a clue"

I have my own personal experiences as well, and they've only been positive. To dismiss the entire field of pharmacology, and dismiss all medicaments because of some personal experiences seems excessive

someguest
March 5th 2016
27923 Comments


It's not being dismissive. It's being cautious. Everyone does anything for one true reason: $$$.

There are no Flemings in modern day medicine.

zaruyache
March 6th 2016
15988 Comments


anecdotal evidence isn't proper evidence, though. In your case specifically because it shows a contrary outcome from the statistical norm.

brehhhhmanne
March 11th 2016
1 Comments


glad i was never into this band hahahahhaha fuck em

botb
March 11th 2016
10813 Comments


Well this thread turned into a shit show

Gyromania
March 11th 2016
21539 Comments


so i've been out of the loop on this for a week. anything exciting happen?

Aftertheascension
March 11th 2016
3565 Comments


great thread

owen
March 12th 2016
4540 Comments


It's surprising how every new user manages to be the worst user with their first post

Asdfp277
March 13th 2016
13291 Comments


how

Spigot
April 8th 2016
33 Comments


Bill Cosby is innocent

Aftertheascension
April 8th 2016
3565 Comments


who bumped this

zakalwe
April 8th 2016
20305 Comments


Bill Cosby

owen
April 8th 2016
4540 Comments


m gira innocent!

Asdfp277
April 8th 2016
13291 Comments


there never was a trial right?

zaruyache
April 8th 2016
15988 Comments


[I confused this thread with the Kesha thread because I'm dumb]

Asdfp277
April 8th 2016
13291 Comments


i see

i'm surprised this doesn't seem to have affected swans' reputation in the slightest

zaruyache
April 8th 2016
15988 Comments


oh not wait nvm I lied, I thought this was the kesha thread. Absolutely nothing came of this, and whatshername the accuser seems to have forgotten about the whole thing so who knows what the hell went on here. sorry sorry sorry

Asdfp277
April 8th 2016
13291 Comments


lol don't worry

zaruyache
April 8th 2016
15988 Comments


I'd blame the vodka if I thought that'd be a valid excuse but it's not, despite how absurdly delicious it is.

user
April 8th 2016
1445 Comments


I actually made this whole thing up

Asdfp277
April 8th 2016
13291 Comments


smh

zaruyache
April 9th 2016
15988 Comments


so apparently mind control is real and the government is lying to us after all

Asdfp277
April 9th 2016
13291 Comments


isn't that, like, common knowledge

someguest
April 9th 2016
27923 Comments


$40 for a record? Now that's what I call rape!

North0House2
April 14th 2016
5943 Comments


SO is he INNOCENT?

zaruyache
April 14th 2016
15988 Comments


see my second-to-last (now third to last) post.

North0House2
April 15th 2016
5943 Comments


Okay gotcha. Glad to have the mystery confirmed, yo

Spec
April 15th 2016
33633 Comments


edit: why did i comment on this ugh

SmileNerd
April 30th 2016
495 Comments


Everyone's all like:

"oh man this thread's gonna get ugly omg its gonna get SO UGLY OMG OMG UGLY IT'LL GET SO UGLY IN THIS MOTHAFUCKIN THREAD OH DAMN #SPUTNIKEDGYMEMESLOLZ"

but like it didn't even get bad in here... y'all are just discussing this shit seriously

someguest
April 30th 2016
27923 Comments


this thread: when the roofies are tylenol

bach
April 30th 2016
15394 Comments


THIS ACCUSATION IS FALSE AND I VEHEMENTLY DENY IT

ok guys so i kinda did it

Idleness
May 11th 2016
459 Comments


michael gira accused of never checking grotesque

parksungjoon
May 22nd 2016
5082 Comments


great thread thanks for bumping

LordePots
May 22nd 2016
35866 Comments


same to you

BlackMalachite
May 22nd 2016
5393 Comments


What the hell ever happened with this?

Digging: Youth In Revolt - The Broken

DoctorDoom
May 22nd 2016
2976 Comments


That's a great question.

Aftertheascension
May 22nd 2016
3565 Comments


this thread is a perfect example of how 90% of sputnik users are massive twats

Sinternet
May 22nd 2016
11876 Comments


Ascension surprising everyone again with his lack of self-awareness

someguest
May 22nd 2016
27923 Comments


massive twats


Blown out, blue, extremely saggy twats.

Aftertheascension
May 22nd 2016
3565 Comments


Sinternet being a dumbass again.

parksungjoon
May 22nd 2016
5082 Comments


round two: fight!

JigglyPDiddy
May 22nd 2016
2557 Comments


I haven't kept up to date with this. I know Gira sort of admitted to raping her, but nothing else beyond that.

YoYoMancuso
May 22nd 2016
12582 Comments


the first comment on this thread is like my favorite sputnik comment in history for no good reason

Digging: The Menzingers - After The Party

Frippertronics
May 22nd 2016
11475 Comments


"I know Gira sort of admitted to raping her, but nothing else beyond that."

He admitted to having an unconsummated relationship with her while still married. They never had sex.

BlackMalachite
May 22nd 2016
5393 Comments


"He admitted to having an unconsummated relationship with her while still married. They never had sex."

Jesus christ, that situation sounds destructive as hell.

Frippertronics
May 22nd 2016
11475 Comments


From what I've gathered, both camps have said absolutely nothing about this, so I'll presume they resolved this privately and moved on, hopefully.

BlackMalachite
May 22nd 2016
5393 Comments


It seems as though that's how a multitude of these situations end up; either they're proven false, proven true (and very rarely go to court), or they come to some kind of secret settlement.

swipenet
June 6th 2016
445 Comments


Guilty until proven innocent.

Asdfp277
June 6th 2016
13291 Comments


agreeded

BlueSwan
June 18th 2016
554 Comments


I read this whole thread

Sinternet
June 18th 2016
11876 Comments


thanks for your input and bumping this dumb old thread

BlueSwan
June 18th 2016
554 Comments


I remember this now that's how I got this all in my head one first place my bad

Asdfp277
June 18th 2016
13291 Comments


sin: why u think this is a dumb thread? what do u think of the issue?

Sevengill
July 5th 2016
6138 Comments


did anything ever come out of this?

Digging: Opprobre - Le Naufrage

zaruyache
July 5th 2016
15988 Comments


Not that i'm aware.

Epilogue
August 31st 2016
1696 Comments


Not that I'm aware either.

BlacKapes
September 1st 2016
1821 Comments


oh yeah, something did "come" out of this haha rape pun jk

Futures
September 1st 2016
9079 Comments


https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/47si30/sputnikmusic_has_debate_over_michael_gira/?st=iskygr5v&sh=7b50a752


i am laughing so hard

climactic
September 1st 2016
22213 Comments


i knew we couldnt trust that caliggyjack guy

anarchistfish
September 1st 2016
25578 Comments


KiA lol

anarchistfish
September 2nd 2016
25578 Comments


Even now his post history is an obsessive joke on that site

http://i.imgur.com/hOYKoKG.jpg

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


LOL "my priviledge is being questioned." Nice comic. /sarcasm

KiA's a great subreddit, more trustworthy than 85% of the subreddits out there.

Futures
September 2nd 2016
9079 Comments


definitely not a biased neckbeard circlejerk

anarchistfish
September 2nd 2016
25578 Comments


just find it fascinating how much getting triggered by sjws seems to take up your time and energy

Asdfp277
September 2nd 2016
13291 Comments


isn't kotaku dead already?

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


@Futures definitely not a generalizing douchebag

@anarchist it doesn't take up much of my time or my energy. I type fast and I only spend upwards of 15 minutes a day on the site.

@Asdfp277 I wish.

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


LOL I made that topic 6 months ago. Shit's old news, get over it.

Valkoor952
September 2nd 2016
1679 Comments


I can't believe I read through all of this.

Asdfp277
September 2nd 2016
13291 Comments


how

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


why

Valkoor952
September 2nd 2016
1679 Comments


"how"

By using my elementary school skills

"why"

This was even posted on reddit. How can I miss it.

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


"This was even posted on reddit." SIX MONTHS AGO THOUGH.

Valkoor952
September 2nd 2016
1679 Comments


Yea but Futures re-posted that link so I saw it and I was like WHOA this is some sput drama I ought not to miss.j

Keyblade
September 2nd 2016
23940 Comments


always knew we had redditors in our midst. yikes

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


lol @sput drama.

I already apologized for my comments and rescinded one of my arguments. The drama is nonexistant at this point unless futures forgot to grab his tampons for the day and is in a shitty mood.

SharkTooth
September 2nd 2016
13690 Comments


Caliggy, why were you using KiA to whine about us? Are you really so much of a pussy that you need to start a circlejerk there instead of actually arguing here to feel good about yourself?

Sinternet
September 2nd 2016
11876 Comments


FUCKING LOL THATS PATHETICHAHA

posting to toxic subreddits because you cant argue for shit on an irrelevant music forum lmao

f o a d

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


LOL I don't have to justify anything to you Shark.

@Sinternet you wouldn't know a toxic subreddit if it bit you in the ass.

SnakeDelilah
September 2nd 2016
18235 Comments


Rape must not be as bad as these feminists say it is because this girl said this guy raped her 10 years ago or sumthing and she aint giving no shits.


brb gonna go drink bleach

DinosaurJones
September 2nd 2016
4857 Comments


WHY IS THIS BEING BROUGHT BACK FROM THE DEPTHS?!

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


They're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for more reasons to criticize me and I am guessing this is all they got right now.

smaugman
September 2nd 2016
3939 Comments


omg caliggy cant you understand that men are dirty sexist pigs??

AdolfChrist
September 2nd 2016
8763 Comments


That fucking quote

Digging: Meat Wave - Delusion Moon

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


"omg caliggy cant you understand that men are dirty sexy pigs??"

Ya damn right I do ;D

zaruyache
September 2nd 2016
15988 Comments


who's a dirty boy







you are.

SnakeDelilah
September 2nd 2016
18235 Comments


They're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for more reasons to criticize me and I am guessing this is all they got right now.


considering that you are a persistently ignorant fucking twat there's really no point in trying to criticize you anymore because neckbeard TAA-praising fucktards like yourself will just pass off anything that hints at being even slightly SJW

Tyler.
September 2nd 2016
11043 Comments


Thought it said Michael cera at first wow

smaugman
September 2nd 2016
3939 Comments


boy, neckbeard and misogynistic are words that are thrown around a lot

SnakeDelilah
September 2nd 2016
18235 Comments


and they both apply to you, quite a feat

smaugman
September 2nd 2016
3939 Comments


ok then

Madbutcher3
September 2nd 2016
1642 Comments


reddit is poo and so are you








i worked hard at that one
also misogynistic and neckbeard are two common words on the internet since they are common properties of its inhabitants

AdolfChrist
September 2nd 2016
8763 Comments


I dont think Cera is physically capable of rape.

smaugman
September 2nd 2016
3939 Comments


literally billions of people use the internet. why is everyone here so misogynistic then? this thread isn't even about feminism, but so many unnecessary things are being drawn into the discussion. rape is a serious offense, obviously, and anyone who denies that are stupid. but one cannot suddenly take side with the accuser or accused from the start.

Madbutcher3
September 2nd 2016
1642 Comments


i agree but i don't even care about the whole gira thing since it was never taken to the police. not enough known to really bother discussing

smaugman
September 2nd 2016
3939 Comments


yea nothing happened if i recall correctly

SharkTooth
September 2nd 2016
13690 Comments


brb posting this on GamerGhazi.
After all why not post it on both bottom-tier subreddits still arguing about the dead meme that is gamergate?

SharkTooth
September 2nd 2016
13690 Comments


"i worked hard at that one
also misogynistic and neckbeard are two common words on the internet since they are common properties of its inhabitants"

I find your statement incredibly "problematic" as an "SJW"

Tyler.
September 2nd 2016
11043 Comments


Those darn sjws

SharkTooth
September 2nd 2016
13690 Comments


ruining our free speech by expressing their opinions that disagree with my own, how dare they?

Tyler.
September 2nd 2016
11043 Comments


I think some of you guys give them a bit too much credit

Madbutcher3
September 2nd 2016
1642 Comments


ah you have been tricked for i also am an sjw it was all a ruse

Futures
September 2nd 2016
9079 Comments


sjws and caliggyjack (alt-right) are basically the same thing

SharkTooth
September 2nd 2016
13690 Comments


The whole thing is a big joke

anarchistfish
September 2nd 2016
25578 Comments


"@anarchist it doesn't take up much of my time or my energy. I type fast and I only spend upwards of 15 minutes a day on the site."

upwards of 15 mins a day on the site do you even know what that means

anarchistfish
September 2nd 2016
25578 Comments


"They're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for more reasons to criticize me and I am guessing this is all they got right now."

nah we're just laughing but you're clearly insecure as shit much like 99% of gamergaters

ZippaThaRippa
September 2nd 2016
8926 Comments


"upwards of 15 mins a day on the site do you even know what that means"

That could mean ANYTHING

'Yeah my usual day is anything from 15 minutes to 10 hours. Something in between there usually.

Keyblade
September 2nd 2016
23940 Comments


say word ppl still care about gamergate lmfao

Kris.
September 2nd 2016
13940 Comments


oh dear

SharkTooth
September 2nd 2016
13690 Comments


"They're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for more reasons to criticize me and I am guessing this is all they got right now."

This reminds me of that one copypasta

"Hey Faggots,
My name is John, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of t
heir day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook.
Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than “jack off to naked drawn Japanese people”? I also get straight A’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It’s me and my bitch"

CaliggyJack
September 2nd 2016
1538 Comments


"sjws and caliggyjack (alt-right)"

Socialist but ok

Anyways i'm done with this thread. I already apologized and buried the hatchet with this whole charade and I have nothing left to prove. This is my last post on this topic. Have a good one.

Keyblade
September 2nd 2016
23940 Comments


"Keyblade
February 27th 2016
22445 Comments

and stay off reddit"

lol reading the thread back and I called it

Sinternet
September 2nd 2016
11876 Comments


'Socialist but ok'

lmao you are not a socialist

smaugman
September 2nd 2016
3939 Comments


Archive this shit

anarchistfish
September 2nd 2016
25578 Comments


lmao you are not a socialist [2]

Asdfp277
September 2nd 2016
13291 Comments


now wait, what does upwards mean

SharkTooth
September 2nd 2016
13690 Comments


upwards is another way of saying "at most"

zaruyache
September 2nd 2016
15988 Comments


upwards (or upward) of
phrase of upward
1.
more than.
"upwards of 3,500 copies"
synonyms: more than, above, over, in excess of, exceeding, beyond, greater than
"he makes upwards of $500 per session"

thanks google

Keyblade
September 3rd 2016
23940 Comments


yea upwards means anything more than. the opposite of at most

Futures
September 3rd 2016
9079 Comments


people didn't know what that meant? damn

iloveyouall
September 3rd 2016
6320 Comments


livingthrowaway (a.k.a. nimb49 a.a.k.a. sachikom a.a.a.k.a. wwyd a.a.a.a.k.a. iloveyouall) accused of fantastic taste

AdolfChrist
September 3rd 2016
8763 Comments


yeah like what the fuck i thought the term was pretty well known.

Futures
September 3rd 2016
9079 Comments


i think assdpf42069 is just braindead it would explain a lot of his comments

Keyblade
September 3rd 2016
23940 Comments


i mean it's his second language, it's understandable

the dude who originally said he spends upwards of 15 mins here tho lol

someguest
September 3rd 2016
27923 Comments


Asdfp277 has been brain dead for as long as I can remember.

SharkTooth
September 3rd 2016
13690 Comments


what Keyblade said, Asdfp isn't a native English speaker so it's not that big of a deal

Relinquished
September 3rd 2016
34464 Comments


not being a native speaker isn't an excuse anymore with the internet

emester
September 3rd 2016
7956 Comments


How is this still going on



SharkTooth
September 3rd 2016
13690 Comments


it's because we just found out about this shit

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/47si30/sputnikmusic_has_debate_over_michael_gira/?st=iskygr5v&sh=7b50a752


emester
September 3rd 2016
7956 Comments


why would someone in their right fucking mind make that thread

I mean its Caliggy but still

Sinternet
September 3rd 2016
11876 Comments


look at his post history it's hilariously awful

SharkTooth
September 3rd 2016
13690 Comments


because ethics in music journalism

emester
September 3rd 2016
7956 Comments


"because ethics in music journalism"

lol Metalsucks comes to mind. Sites and outlets like that make me ashamed to pursue journalism as a profession sometimes


SharkTooth
September 3rd 2016
13690 Comments


m8 I was referencing GamerGate's slogan

emester
September 3rd 2016
7956 Comments


Holy fuck, Caliggy actually perfectly encompasses the reddit lowlife stereotype to a tee.

I dont know whether to be dying of laughter or absolutely mortified

emester
September 3rd 2016
7956 Comments


thats still a thing?

wow cant peps just compromise and be less toxic with one other

SharkTooth
September 3rd 2016
13690 Comments


no, GamerGate's been dead for like a year now but bottom-tier subreddits like KiA and Gamerghazi keep bickering about it because they just don't know how to move on

ShinjiIkari
September 3rd 2016
437 Comments


So ... what did Calliggy do?

SharkTooth
September 3rd 2016
13690 Comments


he bitched about this thread on KotakuInAction to create a circlejerk because he's a pussy

ShinjiIkari
September 3rd 2016
437 Comments


Lol.

I don't even know what GamerGate is to be honest

SharkTooth
September 3rd 2016
13690 Comments


it was this big embarrassing shitshow that happened 2 years ago that was supposed to bring "ethics" to "gaming journalism" that ended up changing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

That's pretty much all you need to know about it

ShinjiIkari
September 3rd 2016
437 Comments


Seems meme-worthy indeed

Asdfp277
September 3rd 2016
13291 Comments


hey guys, what u think about Watergate ...?

Asdfp277
September 3rd 2016
13291 Comments


wait that sjw comic is really lacking self-awareness lmao

mifzal
September 8th 2016
1954 Comments


it's not like false accusations are more common then actual rape

Asdfp277
September 8th 2016
13291 Comments


frequency shouldn't matter, just use evidence and the legal system

ABond
September 21st 2016
222 Comments


If you come out and say that I stole your TV, I do not have to prove that I didn't in order to be innocent, I just am. You have to prove that I am using evidence. The burden of proof was, is, and should always be upon the accuser/ plaintiff (or the State/DA office that represents them)
Also, you may hate me for it, your choice, but I have always stood by, and will continue to stand by the opinion that making sure that an innocent person is not punished for a crime they didn't commit (double, triple, quadruple check everything) is more important than a victim getting their justice.
I have read through many court cases of current Death Row criminal, and geez, half of those people are there based on circumstantial evidence alone, which is pretty horrifying.

MyNameIsPencil
September 21st 2016
4730 Comments


anyone see that caliggy posted the link to this article to some neckbeard subreddit lol

MyNameIsPencil
September 21st 2016
4730 Comments


wait yes I am very late to that party lmao nvm

zaruyache
September 21st 2016
15988 Comments


Thanks for bumping a thread a thread that should've stayed dead and wasn't in need of your expert legal opinion. I acknowledge the irony of this comment.

SnakeDelilah
September 21st 2016
18235 Comments


If you come out and say that I stole your TV, I do not have to prove that I didn't in order to be innocent, I just am.



uhhhhhhhhhhhh

Tyler.
September 21st 2016
11043 Comments


Lmao

Futures
September 21st 2016
9079 Comments


god fucking damn it

ABond
September 21st 2016
222 Comments


zaryuache, sorry, I really didn't notice that the post preceding mine was back on Sept 8th until after I posted, sorry, like really

user
September 22nd 2016
1445 Comments


great thread!

VirtualBlaze
November 28th 2016
356 Comments


Bringing it back

Frippertronics
November 28th 2016
11475 Comments


for what purpose

Asdfp277
November 28th 2016
13291 Comments


thank god this is back

owen
November 28th 2016
4540 Comments


some dutch journalist wrote a review of their show and almost only talked about the rape accusation instead of the show itself

Aberf
February 12th 2017
640 Comments


Most viewed news on sputnikmusic guys.

Digging: Slint - Spiderland

Gyromania
February 12th 2017
21539 Comments


Were the charges thrown out?

zaruyache
February 12th 2017
15988 Comments


he was accused; not charged with anything.

americanohno
February 12th 2017
1839 Comments


so the bitch lied, right? never kept up with this story but figured that was the case.

EliteTaste
February 12th 2017
431 Comments


"gettin dat pussy, yo" - michael gira

Jasdevi087
February 12th 2017
3784 Comments


"so the bitch lied, right? never kept up with this story but figured that was the case."

No not necessarily. Twisted the story perhaps, cause Gira's response was basically "well, I kinda did it but we were both drunk af"

Sinternet
February 12th 2017
11876 Comments


this thread again lol

oh btw just noticed that caliggy made his own 'anti-censorship' subreddit lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedyingworld/

also he posts in thedonald apparently too

sixdegrees
February 12th 2017
22927 Comments


No self-censorship. For ex. "Dude f*ck this subreddit man...", if you do not have the guts to say certain words without slightly censoring them, don't fucking say them.


SnakeDelilah
February 12th 2017
18235 Comments


i'm laughing so hard he just keeps getting better

Green Baron
February 12th 2017
22976 Comments


i have to support that at least

Aberf
February 12th 2017
640 Comments


How to not get accused of rape:

1. don't rape.

Jasdevi087
February 12th 2017
3784 Comments


not necessarily true

Aberf
February 12th 2017
640 Comments


2. Or don't have sex at all.

altertide0
February 13th 2017
2735 Comments


also not necessarily true

Aberf
February 13th 2017
640 Comments


3. don't have dick

Jasdevi087
February 13th 2017
3784 Comments


stop

SnakeDelilah
February 13th 2017
18235 Comments


sounds like you would be perfect for that sub reddit actually

danielito19
February 13th 2017
10934 Comments


What fool dug out this corpse

Asdfp277
February 13th 2017
13291 Comments


"3. don't have dick"

that one seems sensible, following uk law tbh



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