Wintersun Update
2014-07-31 by demon of surveillance | 165 Comments
Wintersun frontman Jari Mäenpää has released an update regarding the future of the band
through their Facebook page.

Reality Update About Crowd Funding, TIME II And Future Albums

I´m very happy to see that we have so much dedicated fans that would be willing to pledge and be a part of funding a studio for Wintersun, so I could make the next Wintersun
album without it taking another 10 years again.

I´ve been thinking about this Kickstarter/Pledge crowd funding thing for a while and I´m very confident now that there is enough of you guys that would help us raise the money
for the Wintersun studio! This would give me the freedom to make music efficiently and nonstop. It would eliminate lot of the problems I´ve struggled with all my life and still
continue to struggle everyday. For example right now I need a studio to reamp guitars for TIME II. And not just any studio, my own studio where I can craft my sounds exactly like
I want them. 3rd party studios have never worked for me and I´ve never gotten satisfactory results for the insane prices they charge.

I live in a small shitty apartment building and I have neighbors. It is very very hard to work like this. I can´t record vocals, I can´t practise my singing, I can´t record
guitars, I can´t record guitars even with modelling amps, because the electricity is so bad in this shitty building so I get lots of interference, I even play and practise the
electric guitar acoustically without an amp 99% of the time in my home, I can´t record drums or basically any acoustic instruments, I don´t have the room or cool space for a big
computer farm which is a must for the orchestrations for the next album (the place is too small and hot even for the one computer I have), I can´t mix properly, ´cause the room
is so bad and there´s always ambient noise in and outside the building. That´s why I usually turn my sleeping rhythm around and mix at nights, but that causes problems in my
everyday life. I can´t do pretty much anything properly in this situation. Building a professional studio for Wintersun would erase all this and give us the freedom to make music
nonstop. It would upgrade our album sound significantly and most importantly speed up the album making process significantly. This would even raise our live game. With proper
preproduction, able to tweak our live sounds and setup properly we would sound pretty incredible live. We would also be able to rehearse more and that would allow us to be able
to play live more often and come to places where we normally have not been able to come. The studio would allow us to have more time for everything.

But the problem is this. I have a record deal with Nuclear Blast. If I would do a Kickstarter with a downloadable album for example, they would come with lawyers and take %
share (more than half) away from the money that is your money meant for the Wintersun studio and the album production. Would you even want to pledge if Wintersun didn´t get
100% of the money you´ve pledged for the album production? Then our management would take their % share away. Then there´s taxes of course. The Finnish government would take
something like 40% away. This would leave me nothing. I would be totally screwed. I´ve been trying to have a discussion with Nuclear Blast about crowd funding, but they are
totally freaking out. They see the crowd funding as a threat to their business and they would rather see Wintersun dead, than me doing a crowd funding. I think this would not
hurt them at all, only benefit them, but they cannot see the big picture of Wintersun doing well. They actually told me point blank that I should just stop making music and
they will never release Wintersun from the contract. It´s really like this, because they can´t or won´t loan me enough money to build a studio and fund an album, they don´t want
other people (the fans) to fund it either… unless they get a crazy big cut of the funding (for doing absolutely nothing).

This is the way a record deal works: The label gives an advance to make an album. This is a loan and they will recoup every penny back from the record sales. The reason why TIME
I&II has taken so long to make (and still is taking long to finish TIME II), is because I haven´t gotten enough advances (money) to make these complex albums. Not even close. So
I´ve been struggling all these years and sacrificed everything to make these albums. I have never really made any money from Wintersun. All my money has gone to album production,
but you can guess who have made tons of money from Wintersun. The point is that I need my own studio to make the future albums, but Nuclear Blast won´t be able to loan enough
money to make that happen and then they won´t allow me to do a crow funding campaign either that would make it happen. And even if Nuclear Blast would be able to loan me the
money for the studio, our management would take their share of that money and I would get only part of the money, but I would still have to pay back 100% to Nuclear Blast from
the record sales. So I would actually lose big chunk of the album production money straight away, which makes no sense at all. And then there´s the taxes. So there´s no point of
taking these “loans” either.

This all is stressing me out very badly and it´s slowing my workflow. I´ve got enough technical problems to deal with making these albums. I just want the freedom to make
music, but I guess it is what it is. Honestly, I feel like I´ve signed a deal with the devil and I´m just a slave in the system.

I´ve got probably 5 long albums worth of new insanely good material! And there´s no filler material at all! The music is much more refined, much more advanced in
arrangement/composition/productionwise. It´s diverse and beautiful, heavy, chaotic and exploring different styles&themes and some new dimensions I feel no band has explored
before… The stuff is simply on another level, in a different universe than the debut album and the TIME albums combined. I wrote the TIME albums around 2006 and before, that was
a lifetime ago. Think of the stuff I´ve written ever since to this day! And I just keep on writing, I feel like I´m on fire. The music is just flowing out of me. I´m so excited
about all this new music and I can´t wait to start recording and sharing it with you… BUT I can´t without a studio, that´s the problem…

Jari

p.s. Should have stayed working in the post office!

Tagged: Wintersun

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baldymort
July 31st 2014
785 Comments


this is pretty atrocious. don't know much about this, but if he 'created a new project' to release this material under could he do it through a kickstarter without nuclear blast interfering?

baldymort
July 31st 2014
785 Comments


or pull a prince and release a ton of noise albums until the contract ends.

Gameofmetal
July 31st 2014
3252 Comments


More record label vs. artist drama. yay

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Cimnele
July 31st 2014
360 Comments


in cases like this the artist is always in the right even if they make power metal

Gameofmetal
July 31st 2014
3252 Comments


lol even if

XingKing
July 31st 2014
10958 Comments


I'm seconding the name change thing. I feel like that should be a loophole out of the contract. I don't even like these guys and the situation they are in is so fucked up

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
July 31st 2014
31492 Comments


A really simple solution to all this would be for him to open up a kickstarter campaign under his own name (completely eliminating all traces of "Wintersun") and ask for donations to build a better studio. I don't know what kind of incentives he could offer though, but a label will never be able to hold any power over one person's name, especially if the funding doesn't directly contribute to a label's perceived loss of money over records sold.

This is just spitballing though, no one can really comment too much without seeing the kind of contract and stipulations that the band signed

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XingKing
July 31st 2014
10958 Comments


^That sounds like a good idea but like you said, what can he really offer in terms of reward. If he offers something Wintersun related, I assume NB would automatically be entitled to the money because the person is essentially paying for a Wintersun record

R6Rider
July 31st 2014
4715 Comments


Was gonna post this earlier but didn't have time.

That really wasn't intentional btw. Sucks for him though, Would love to hear some solid Wintersun since I couldn't get into Time I.

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DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
July 31st 2014
8937 Comments


i honestly don't understand why he needs his OWN studio

like, they already paid for a ridiculously high-end computer for him to mix the orchestra on, why not just do that at home, go to a studio to record the live bits and then do the mixing/mastering at home

it isn't going to make THAT much of a difference to the end product and even if he got everything he wanted that perfection he's clearly after is unattainable

if he needed his own studio then time i wouldn't even exist

Scoot
August 1st 2014
17887 Comments


this guy wrote the book on excuse making

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Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


Yeah honestly this guy can go fuck himself at this point. I'll jam the debut and be perfectly fine with it.

someguest
August 1st 2014
21205 Comments


this guy wrote the book on excuse making


beat you to it too

ScuroFantasma
August 1st 2014
2428 Comments


This is such a shitty situation though

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TPM731
August 1st 2014
238 Comments


"Yeah honestly this guy can go fuck himself at this point. I'll jam the debut and be perfectly fine with it."

Really? Are you that dumb?

AdolfChrist
August 1st 2014
1807 Comments


i dont really care about this band anymore. their debut is fun and nostalgic, and its all im interested in listening to. Time I was cluttered and overblown, and im sure everything after will be just as mediocre.

ChoccyPhilly
August 1st 2014
7873 Comments


The bloke is in a pretty dire situation, but I think at this point, he is asking WAY too much from his loyal fans. First they have to wait a century for Time I, with very little updates, and then despite being told that Time II will be released next year, it doesn't and only now there are updates. It's not necessarily their fault, really think the fans get the shortest end of the stick here, especially those who actually pay for the pledgefund. I mean, could they possibly squeeze their fans of their money and patience anymore than they already have?

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Crysis
Staff Reviewer
August 1st 2014
16467 Comments


He could just do what Children of Bodom did and dissolve Wintersun and create a new band under another name.

JS19
August 1st 2014
4372 Comments


This guy sounds like an absolute nightmare to work with.

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Wizard
August 1st 2014
19612 Comments


Sorry, this guy sounds like a total picky fuck face. I mean, sometimes you have to learn to just say "fine, I'll accept it" and move on instead of trying to reach perfection with your guitar tones. Secondly, how did some of the poorest bands on earth make such incredible music and produce it well? Time to get a life Jari and live in the real world. Don't crowd fund this fuck if he wants to go that route.

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BigPleb
August 1st 2014
37588 Comments


God damn, Wiz is on the warpath today!

KerfuffleinaHussle
August 1st 2014
801 Comments


"3rd party studios have never worked for me"

Tough luck, buddy. Not everyone can have their own fucking studio. Hire one like every other not-particularly-rich band and make do.

KriegdemKriege
August 1st 2014
1371 Comments


Haha fuck you Jari Mäenpää!

And fuck anyone who contributes to the kickstarter.

KriegdemKriege
August 1st 2014
1371 Comments


This made me lol

KriegdemKriege
August 1st 2014
1371 Comments


"I´ve got probably 5 long albums worth of new insanely good material! And there´s no filler material at all!"

EMPTY PROMISES

KriegdemKriege
August 1st 2014
1371 Comments


"They see the crowd funding as a threat to their business and they would rather see Wintersun dead, than me doing a crowd funding."

I WOULD TOO

Okay I'm done now

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
August 1st 2014
18869 Comments


This guy sounds like an absolute nightmare to work with.


yeah, bigtime. im wary of record labels fucking with bands as much as the next guy but this sounds like if i were the rep dealing with jari id probably pull a dead.

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Eunuch
August 1st 2014
1282 Comments


his ego is way fucking beyond outer space from all the fanboys sucking his dick over the years. should
fund this just for the chuckles.

Darkwatch025
August 1st 2014
186 Comments


They should just change their name to Wintermoon and release the music. Time I was my favorite album from 2012 and I cannot wait for Time II. Now it seems as if this may never even happen. So sad that this new hip-hop garbage sells millions of records and most people don't even know who Wintersun is. So much shit is just wrong today with this world.

Jacquibim
Contributing Reviewer
August 1st 2014
15023 Comments


omfg lol

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ExplosiveOranges
August 1st 2014
3640 Comments


Yeah, fuck this band.

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zaruyache
August 1st 2014
7265 Comments


but this sounds like if i were the rep dealing with jari id probably pull a dead.

A little drastic, but it made me snicker.

How did he release the first Time if all this crap was making it impossible for him? This is ridiculous.

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Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


Really? Are you that dumb?

For saying that he's annoying and I'd rather jam the debut that he'll never top than wait for another decent album for 20 years? Yeah I guess I'm pretty dumb.

zaruyache
August 1st 2014
7265 Comments


Yeah you should go in for brain analysis Hawks you probs have brain damage.

Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


I really should. Brb gonna call and make an appointment.

BigPleb
August 1st 2014
37588 Comments


Or...you could just jam Cradle and rawk out? m/m/m/

JS19
August 1st 2014
4372 Comments


Dude should just suck it up and get a job like 90% of other people in not so popular bands do when they're low on money if he keeps blowing all the money he gets on preening every bloody note and making his stuff way too detailed rather than working within a budget like every other band ever does

Cimnele
August 1st 2014
360 Comments


why isn't his process like my process? *dumb angry face*

Keyblade
August 1st 2014
15226 Comments


They should just change their name to Wintermoon and release the music. Time I was my favorite album from 2012 and I cannot wait for Time II. Now it seems as if this may never even happen. So sad that this new hip-hop garbage sells millions of records and most people don't even know who Wintersun is. So much shit is just wrong today with this world.

lol wow

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JS19
August 1st 2014
4372 Comments


'So sad that this new hip-hop garbage sells millions of records and most people don't even know who Wintersun is. So much shit is just wrong today with this world.'

Every single person I have met irl who likes Wintersun is like this what is with this band

MO
August 1st 2014
18995 Comments


I agree that record companies are getting more and more scumy, but this guy sounds like a little princess. Suck it up and work with what you have, don't demand a brand new studio lmao

Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


People will actually pay to fund this too I'm sure. Jari seems like a cry baby tbh just fucking do it and stop trying to demand money from the fans.

Garm didn't give a fuck when Ulver was recording Nattens in a forest did he? ;]

TPM731
August 1st 2014
238 Comments


Hawks: It just seems like you're too quick to declare him an egomaniac (and yes, his goal is high-reaching), and you appear to be disregarding the huge problem he has with the label. I'm sorry for how I worded my original comment, it wasn't what I was trying to convey.

Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


Dude it's pretty obvious at this point. He's been bitching about this for like 10 years. I'm not disregarding it, but plenty of other
artists have the same problem and don't complain like Jari does. He's just annoying now. Might just be me though idk.

CaptainDooRight
August 1st 2014
30251 Comments


Trust me if Ne Obliviscares or whatever you call them made like 400k in two days Jari could easily
double or triple that. With that being said I'll make sure to mooch off the funding with leaked
downloads ass usual.

TPM731
August 1st 2014
238 Comments


I just don't like when people on this site always assume the worst about EVERYTHING on here before they learn anything more about it. I see the same thing with music and not just news. When the first news story about the new Mastodon was posted, everyone was quick to declare "this is gonna suck", but if you look now it's one of the most acclaimed albums on this site this year.

SCREAM!
August 1st 2014
10341 Comments


@TPM The label isn't the problem here though. His first album, arguably his best, was produced without a hitch and the production on it was very good (sure not perfect but it was his first album). Now based on this you'd think he'd have no problem with the second but he wanted to up the ante production and arrangement wise and his computer couldn't handle it. Fine, I can kind of get that. His label put up with him taking years and years to release Time I and now he tells them the computer isn't enough and he needs a whole studio. How many bands his size (or bigger even) have their own fucking studio? It's a huge ego thing. And now he expects the label that has helped him release his albums, gotten him equipment and put up with ridiculous wait times to just let him make a bunch of money off a name they helped him build while they sit back and reap no benefits?

SCREAM!
August 1st 2014
10341 Comments


"I just don't like when people on this site always assume the worst about EVERYTHING on here before
they learn anything more about it."

How is us "assuming" he's in the wrong any worse than you "assuming" the label is in the wrong?

Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


Yeah it's obviously him being a little bitch about the whole situation. Not related at all, but do you think bands like Mayhem and Darkthrone would complain about some shit like this? They don't give a fuck where they're recording as long as they're making their music. Then again I could be completely fucking wrong, but who knows....

Take what you have and work with it is the point I'm trying to make, don't beg your fans to fund your own personal studio. That to me is taking advantage of the people who enjoy his music. Again though just my take on the matter.

XingKing
August 1st 2014
10958 Comments


I have now joined the side in thinking Jari is the problem. What have you guys done

porcupinetheater
August 1st 2014
139 Comments


Jari Maenpaa died today, at the ripe old age of 97. Fans of his in the melodic metal community are devastated. This tragic event will cease the production of his long awaited follow-up to 2038's masterpiece Time II.

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SCREAM!
August 1st 2014
10341 Comments


Label hating seems to be a trend these days. Although I'm sure many of them deserve it and I doubt NB is a perfect label (if such a thing even exists), that doesn't mean the artist is necessarily always right either.

TPM731
August 1st 2014
238 Comments


How is us "assuming" he's in the wrong any worse than you "assuming" the label is in the wrong? [2]

I feel that there is more evidence for the label being wrong.

SCREAM!
August 1st 2014
10341 Comments


Are there any other sources of this apart from what Jari wrote here?

Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


How about this..... Fuck both of them!

Scoot
August 1st 2014
17887 Comments


the self-titled was my favorite album for a few years and it was so long between releases that i still haven't listened to the first time

Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


I'm gonna listen to Time II when/if it comes out, but I'm not paying anymore attention to this guy until then. I'm fine with the s/t.

I mean I guess this thread is paying attention to him, but you get the point.

Scoot
August 1st 2014
17887 Comments


if he had just done a straightforward metal release like the s/t it would have been out ages ago

those ridiculous orchestras took way too fucking long to make and they don't even sound great

Hawks
August 1st 2014
35838 Comments


Yeah I mean I dig the first Time, but for the amount of time that it actually took it's pretty damn underwhelming.

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
August 1st 2014
8937 Comments


Hawks: It just seems like you're too quick to declare him an egomaniac (and yes, his goal is high-reaching), and you appear to be disregarding the huge problem he has with the label. I'm sorry for how I worded my original comment, it wasn't what I was trying to convey.


it wasn't that long ago jari was begging nuclear blast to buy him a several-grand computer to handle his orchestral tracks, which they delivered on. so far he has only delivered HALF of the original album he promised to release.

if you owned a label and a band came to you saying "hey give us the money to build a studio" after the return on the last investment you gave them being half an album, how would you respond

like, really, if he really needed his own studio to complete time ii, time i wouldn't exist

BelchingSlime
August 1st 2014
25 Comments


Wasn't it the label's decision to release time in two parts?

KriegdemKriege
August 1st 2014
1371 Comments


Jari is fast replacing Thom Yorke and Bono as the biggest douchebag in music today.

KriegdemKriege
August 1st 2014
1371 Comments


@ BelchingSlime

Probably, but only because they needed to release something after seven fucking years.

TheSpirit
August 1st 2014
17990 Comments


Wintersun in general is a terrible project, I hope nothing ever gets released again under this moniker.

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DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
August 1st 2014
8937 Comments


Wasn't it the label's decision to release time in two parts?


probably, but that doesn't mean the reason that they only released half was because they're fucking unproductive

ChoccyPhilly
August 1st 2014
7873 Comments


Jari also told us that part 2 was in the works when time I released, so one could easily assume that the record was already done, but instead it wasn't anywhere near done. This really is a joke

Wizard
August 1st 2014
19612 Comments


The point learned today children:

Don't complain on the internet unless you want to have your ass handed to you.

someguest
August 1st 2014
21205 Comments


He complains about having a record deal.

Ass.

Wizard
August 2nd 2014
19612 Comments


And Nuclear Blast just released a statement regarding this whole matter. Makes him look like the biggest unappreciative asshole on earth.

Totengott
August 2nd 2014
1389 Comments


Where was it posted?

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Wizard
August 2nd 2014
19612 Comments


Metalsucks

Crysis
Staff Reviewer
August 2nd 2014
16467 Comments


http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/08/01/nuclear-blast-responds-wintersuns-jari-maenpaa/

SCREAM!
August 2nd 2014
10341 Comments


"And Nuclear Blast just released a statement regarding this whole matter. Makes him look like the biggest unappreciative asshole on earth."

That isn't already how he looked?

Wolfhorde
August 2nd 2014
13687 Comments


Talk about entitlement. Why don't you have a Koenigsegg and a few beach houses on top? And while we're at it, let's add a private jet and a butler.

Totengott
August 2nd 2014
1389 Comments


Thank you for the link Crysis.

I just hope they get this shit sorted out.

SCREAM!
August 2nd 2014
10341 Comments


@Wolf Saving those for Time III

ChoccyPhilly
August 2nd 2014
7873 Comments


It seems like Jari is exaggerating his situation and it being a right snob with this whole studio thing

Wolfhorde
August 2nd 2014
13687 Comments


It's not like we're at a point where DIY artists or artists with no financial backup can make incredibly good and well-produced music. /cough



KriegdemKriege
August 2nd 2014
1371 Comments


It hurts my brain reading the fan comments on Wintersun's facebook page.

How can people believe this guy?

KriegdemKriege
August 2nd 2014
1371 Comments


Vicky Sedano Rosa says: "I'm so fucking disgusted right now I think I'm gonna puke. What a bunch of bastards [Nuclear Blast], How do they steal every penny from someone, take advantage of their talent , crush their dreams, and are able to sleep at night. I just can't believe it."

Mathieu Varg Dubreuil says: "I want to give you all my money, but I also like how honest you are, telling us not to give you money because you wouldn't even get it. It breaks my heart to hear such sad news from you, but as you can see, the fans are all supporting you! I will never forget how nice you were when we met in Quebec, thank you again for signing my guitar! Let us know of your solution to this problem when you find it!"

Russ Merullo says: "You know the music scene is grim when big names like Wintersun are struggling to get by. It's a shame that record labels are such money grubbing assholes that they'd rather see one of their bands die than get a bit extra money."

Now imagine hundreds of comments like that.

Guys. He had OVER EIGHT YEARS TO GET THIS ALBUM OUT.

Wolfhorde
August 2nd 2014
13687 Comments


Fanboys being fanboys.

ChoccyPhilly
August 2nd 2014
7873 Comments


Wow, did they not read the part where Jari is being a picky bastard who seems impossible to work with? Such ignorance

Wolfhorde
August 2nd 2014
13687 Comments


Well, overly emotional attachment makes ya stupid. That's what makes fanboys.

ChoccyPhilly
August 2nd 2014
7873 Comments


It's clear that both parties are at fault but NB are correct when they say these matters shouldn't be addressed publicly. Not sure what Jari is thinking, but he sure feels sorry for himself

Stryfe14
August 2nd 2014
65 Comments


I don't understand the problem...I'm more inclined to side with Nuclear Blast on this one. It's hard to believe that Jari can't find some common ground with NB, especially considering how awesome NB has been with accommodating and turning around bands like CoB, Sonata Arctica, Hammerfall, Edguy, etc...I would think that Nuclear Blast would be more than happy to work with Wintersun with releasing an epic album if it were feasible, so it seems like the issue lies with Jari.

ChoccyPhilly
August 2nd 2014
7873 Comments


Agreed ^. I get the feeling that Jari agreed to have certain privileges when he signed up for them, and now he wants more and won't seem to take no for an answer and it's NB who are called out to compromise. He also knew that this facebook post would get fans on his side and get them to pretty much slate NB, but it's not like they were ever going to achieve anything, so why bother?

Aftertheascension
August 2nd 2014
791 Comments


"in cases like this the artist is always in the right even if they make power metal"

That moment when Wintersun is melodeath

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ScuroFantasma
August 2nd 2014
2428 Comments


Nuclear Blast handled their response really well imo.

ExplosiveOranges
August 2nd 2014
3640 Comments


What a fucking con artist.

ChoccyPhilly
August 2nd 2014
7873 Comments


"what we all enjoy the most: a good blast of METAL"

XingKing
August 3rd 2014
10958 Comments


Everything I have read and researched about this over the past two days has stripped away any sympathy I had for the man

Wizard
August 3rd 2014
19612 Comments


That isn't already how he looked?

Reinforcement rules!

hortanz
August 5th 2014
202 Comments


"Everything I have read and researched about this over the past two days has stripped away any sympathy I had for the man"

pretty much the same here :|

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
August 6th 2014
8937 Comments


the sad thing is he'll find a way to get the funding and then just make more excuses as to why he can't complete time ii or the five fillerless albums he promised

ChoccyPhilly
August 6th 2014
7873 Comments


Wow, that never occurred to me. He'll get the funding and could still easily complain (probably about NB) and would delay it and stuff. This guy is just not trustworthy

zaruyache
August 6th 2014
7265 Comments


Don't see how it was possible for him to make Time I in the first place if he then also lacked the perfect recording environment that he requires. *cough*

FearTomorrow
August 6th 2014
1828 Comments


i just cant give a shit about this band/project/nerd anymore

ChoccyPhilly
August 6th 2014
7873 Comments


He probably had to compromise, like the poor and suffocated soul he is

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


DarkNoctus: You have betrayed the cause of metal. It is our job as metal fans to support the artists of our chosen genre NO MATTER WHAT! You say he's making excuses. He's an artist. And when you're an artist, you should expect support during hard times like Jari is going through, but you, like many other so-called metal fans, have betrayed him at the first opportunity. His demands are fully justified, considering how his art is making the world a better place.

Let
November 1st 2014
613 Comments


Thewhitemetalknight

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DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 1st 2014
8937 Comments


did you register here just to post that

also what the fuck is the cause of metal

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


lol wow.

Someone give that guy a knighthood

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


DarkNoctus: I did register here today, after I noticed a a similar sentinment toward Jari that this post shows: http://lairofthebastard.blogspot.com/2014/07/jari-maenpaa-his-stupid-fucking-face.html. And the cause of metal is the ideal state of the metal community: a place for supporting artists and not tearing them down.

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


Wait, so you're saying we can't critique a metal band?!

What if they killed someone? Would you still support them in the CAUSE OF METAL?

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


ChoccyPhilly: You are using a logical fallacy to attempt to deafeat my argument. This only proves my point about the metal community.

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


Has Jari killed anyone yet? I didn't think so.

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


Your argument is flawed. You seem to say that we should support artists no matter what, as if we can't take a pragmatic view. jari is not exempt from criticism, mate

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


For his music that may be true. But for his methods? No. If he needs money, we as metal fans MUST help him, or they can no longer be considered devoted to the cause of metal.

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


But do you not think Jari is being a whiney little bitch and asking for more than necessary?

EnyaFangirl
November 1st 2014
678 Comments


shit band

Digging: Fiona Apple - The Idler Wheel...

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 1st 2014
8937 Comments


you treat being a metal fan like it's some kind of brotherhood

you like a genre of music, dude, stop being a dork about it and use your brain

KriegdemKriege
November 1st 2014
1371 Comments


stahp guys

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


EnyaFangirl: It's people like you that are the reason why I've made my presence known. You come to this thread only to critizize the artist. You do not believe in the common principle of SUPPORTING artists.

DarkNoctus: In a way, it is a sort of clan. All of us must band together to support strugling artists and be thankful for what they do for us. Considering the state of unpopularity the metal community is in right now, they need our support more than ever.

ChoccyPhilly: No, I do not, and I am baffled so many people think so. He possesses great talent but lacks sufficient funds to put it to good use. That is why we must help through pledging.

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


Fanboying 101

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


Why has "fanboy" become such a negative label? It is those who are called "fanboys" who will reinforce the cause of metal and belief in unity amongst metal fans.

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 1st 2014
8937 Comments


DarkNoctus: In a way, it is a sort of clan. All of us must band together to support strugling artists and be thankful for what they do for us. Considering the state of unpopularity the metal community is in right now, they need our support more than ever.


it's absolutely no different to any other genre of music that has a fanbase.

look, if you want to support jari, do it. but we've seen this all before. he was begging for a mac that costed thousands not too long ago, and now all he wants is more. far, far more than what any other musician would have access to all from a guy who has failed to deliver on any of his promises so far.

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 1st 2014
8937 Comments


also, unpopularity? what world are you living in?

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


He has failed to deliver because not enough of us have given him the support he needs.

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 1st 2014
8937 Comments


he asked for a computer, he said it was all he needed to finish time, he got it

how on earth did we not support him enough

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


Well, it is clearly obvious that YOU did not support him based on your comments. He knew that if he asked for any more than a computer, that people like you would be unwilling to support him at all.

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


You'd buy him a car if he "needed" it to finish Time, wouldn't you?

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


He has not asked for a car, but if he gave a legitimate reason to require one, then I would indeed support him.

Tyrael
November 1st 2014
20946 Comments


Ilu noctus

Digging: Azealia Banks - Broke With Expensive Taste

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 1st 2014
8937 Comments


actually, you're right, i should support him

let me just gather some planks of wood for his sauna and we'll be on our way to like 2 minutes more of music until he wants a hot tub with it

Let
November 1st 2014
613 Comments


I'm seeing a parallel here http://uproxx.com/smokingsection/2013/06/new-light-church-50000-helicopter-blades/

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


I cannot imagine a sauna as a requirement for making music. For a place of creation, however, it is perfectly valid. And also, he released a whole forty minute album last time. Get your facts straight.

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


Let: This has nothing to do with music and delves into religious territory. It is illogical that you would would compare this to an artist asking for pledge money to fund this project.

Dryden
November 1st 2014
13130 Comments


fuck this band

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


Dryden: See my above response to EnyaFangirl.

Let
November 1st 2014
613 Comments


I'll need a couple mil so I can travel in space in order to fully comprehend the vastness of the universe. Then I'll finally be able to find inspiration for composing my dark ambient album. Please support me

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


Let: He is not asking for any sort of inspiration. He gets his inspiration naturaly from his own surroundings, and would never make such a useless request. All he needs is a place to comfortably create his unique artistic endeavors. His price is merely a fraction of what all you are comparing this to, and, unlike these hyperbolles such as "space travel", is justified.

Dryden
November 1st 2014
13130 Comments


never believin

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


Additionaly, those like you that exaggerate needs of a tragic diamond in the rough are what is wrong with not only the metal community, but with the world.

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 1st 2014
8937 Comments


I cannot imagine a sauna as a requirement for making music. For a place of creation, however, it is perfectly valid. And also, he released a whole forty minute album last time. Get your facts straight.


half of his original promise, which was already 8 years late

while we're at it maybe we should build him a swimming pool with dolphins in it

Dryden
November 1st 2014
13130 Comments


hatin n rapin

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


It was eight years late because of technical problems, something that the briefest research would be able to tell you. And like I said in my last post, you are exagerating the needs of someone who desperately requires our help.

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


Do you know how long 8 fuckin' years is? I've done my research on it. So his computer malfunctions and doesn't return to production work for another year.

How is that justified?

climactic
November 1st 2014
19841 Comments


DID HE ACTUALLY SAy HE NEEDED A SAUNA LOL

Dryden
November 1st 2014
13130 Comments


hehahahhaehe

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


It is justified because the stress it had on him caused cases of writers block, but still, he powered through. Further proving that he deserves our support due to his sheer perseverance through all life continues to throw at his endeavors.

ChoccyPhilly
November 1st 2014
7873 Comments


Ahh i see. You must be Jari himself.

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 1st 2014
8937 Comments


so he had writers block despite claiming the whole thing was written since before 2006

yeah okay whatever man

climactic
November 1st 2014
19841 Comments


i know exactly what metalknight looks like just by his comments and username

EnyaFangirl
November 1st 2014
678 Comments


metalknight you are a painfully unfunny troll please just stop before you hurt yourself

themetalknight
November 1st 2014
19 Comments


climatic: What I look like has no relevance to the point I am trying to make.

DarkNoctus: The album eventually got delivered right? That's all that matters.

SCREAM!
November 1st 2014
10341 Comments


noctus, are you really biting here? This is the most obvious baiting I've seen in a long time

Dryden
November 1st 2014
13130 Comments


its a shame it was even made

ScuroFantasma
November 1st 2014
2428 Comments


"you are exagerating the needs of someone who desperately requires our help."

is he dying?

themetalknight
November 2nd 2014
19 Comments


You are attempting to paint my defending of an unjustly ridiculed artist as "baiting". That only further proves my point.

zaruyache
November 2nd 2014
7265 Comments


you guys are all hilarious for believing this obvious troll. Only black metal elitists are as devoted and fanboyish as this kid, and Wintersun isn't black metal so he clearly can't be serious.

#justheavymetalfacts.

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
November 2nd 2014
8937 Comments


still therapeutic [:

zaruyache
November 2nd 2014
7265 Comments


I've seen joke jpegs about Jari in the sauna, but where'd all that come from? I'm not big on this band so I missed out on all those totally-newsworthy discussions.

zaruyache
November 2nd 2014
7265 Comments


nope wait, found it on his facebook post. Lol seriously?

mifzal
November 2nd 2014
903 Comments


looks like he had the Big fight with Nuclear Blast yesterday.
I'm waiting for the apology statement

zaruyache
November 2nd 2014
7265 Comments


links pls?

InbredJed
November 2nd 2014
6101 Comments


so you guys know he's smoking crack with the monies right?@

Scoot
November 2nd 2014
17887 Comments


god he's pathetic, can't believe he used to be my idol

mifzal
November 2nd 2014
903 Comments


obviously

mifzal
November 2nd 2014
903 Comments


bitch thinks he's a diva

zaruyache
November 2nd 2014
7265 Comments


I'd only be OK with his spending the money on crack if he were to smoke it out in the woods whilst recording the new album. Just like Ulver.

ShadowRemains
November 2nd 2014
21329 Comments


fuck wintersun so much

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
November 2nd 2014
31492 Comments


noctus, are you really biting here? This is the most obvious baiting I've seen in a long time


Not entirely sure to be honest. I had a quick browse of a blog belonging to one of Themetalknight's alt accounts and all it seems to be in line with the kind of naive glasshouse thinking displayed here

http://trajansdominion.blogspot.co.nz/


mifzal
November 2nd 2014
903 Comments


which sadly isn't the case. and Ulver keeps releasing albums in every two years

zaruyache
November 3rd 2014
7265 Comments


Are you sure they're the same guy? One blog post says he hasn't even been into metal for that long, which makes the username a little odd. :3



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