For Today Hating Gays...Again
2013-12-14 by andcas | 319 Comments

At the start of the year, Christian metalcore band For Today forced their guitarist to step down due to extremely offensive twitter rants against the LGBT community. The members rallied to assure the public that they did not hold the same outdated beliefs as Mike Reynolds, who has since been removed for his hate fueled rhetoric.

Unsurprisingly enough, Robert Pasbani, from the site Metal Injection, did some digging recently after watching a controversial music video made by For Today. The "strong social message" was to promote their new single and upcoming album by shining a light on the human trafficking atrocities committed around the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaDSvzFZqoI#t=158

While this is a very noble cause, it's rather hard to take seriously considering the band has yet to come out and openly declare that homosexuality isn't a sin. The overall hypocrisy lead Pasbani to do a little research on frontman Mattie Montgomery, who seems to make all the official statements on behalf of the band.

Now, this is important to remember because he was the one who came out to state, in a candid video, For today did not hold the same opinions as their ex-guitarist. The funny fact of the matter is Pasbani uncovered a longwinded and incoherent rambling against the LGBT community on Montgomery's personal site in a blog.

It's noted the post took place last summer before the original incident, but its existence begs the question why he lied and rolled over on his supposed friend. The title of the blog is "Homosexulaity and the Rebellious Church" for anyone willing to stomach the reading and For Today find themselves in hot water once again.

But don't expect Montgomery to subject himself to the same fate as Reynolds since "Do to others as you would have them do to you" must be a verse that he skipped.

http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/drama/for-today-frontman-apologizes-lgbt-community-still-against-gay-marriage

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Band Page: For Today

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FearThyEvil
December 14th 2013

12489 Comments


I hate that I keep getting this band mixed up with the actual really good band Today is the Day and worrying that they did something stupid. This band really just fucking sucks and really just dig themselves a deeper whole with shit like this.

FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


never heard of the band but they can go and fucking die

KSK1
December 14th 2013

4081 Comments


Gay news article andcas

AtomicShane
December 14th 2013

1767 Comments


props to andcas for still paying attention to these dudes

Relinquished
December 14th 2013

24928 Comments


kim's favourite band

zaruyache
December 14th 2013

6273 Comments


And that blog post is deleted, apparently. Ha.

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Calc
December 14th 2013

12142 Comments


I was wondering why this mattered and then I saw this is a Christian band, and I rolled my eyes...

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VinVal
December 14th 2013

695 Comments


christianity has no place in music

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VinVal
December 14th 2013

695 Comments


lol latest album has jesus's face

SarcasticBastardV2
December 14th 2013

53 Comments


I hear gay people suck dick.

Kman418
December 14th 2013

10226 Comments


thought this was today is the day at first

oh well

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FearThyEvil
December 14th 2013

12489 Comments


Same Kman. I constantly get them confused but we both know which one is the better band.

XingKing
December 14th 2013

10456 Comments


I really wouldn't say this is them hating gays. He blatantly says gays shouldn't marry because they aren't compelled by God, just like heteros who aren't told by God shouldn't be allowed to marry. Of course, this logic is retarded and he is saying that it's not about love, but about what God says but he still isn't hating on gays any more than heteros who aren't in love with God

Masochist
December 14th 2013

8012 Comments


"While this is a very noble cause, it's rather hard to take seriously considering the band has yet to come out and openly declare that homosexuality isn't a sin."

Wait...what? It's hard to take an anti-human-trafficking message seriously because of a difference of opinion on a completely different topic?

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Mabbitt
December 14th 2013

1353 Comments


God I hate people like this.

Wait...what? It's hard to take an anti-human-trafficking message seriously because of a
difference of opinion on a completely different topic?


Glad i'm not the only one who thought this

Storm In A Teacup
December 14th 2013

12708 Comments


who cares...
if you are gay you are gay...
if you publicly bash a way of life then be prepared for the consequences...
don't hide behind others though...
that said, if someone hates gays, who cares...
just don't insult one of them gays directly or commit illegal crimes against them..
they are easily butt hurt even though the male gays are the ones who like sticking things up their butt...
so really none of this stuff makes sense to begin with so I go back to...
who cares.....

that said, this band is okay, and they are also okay live 2.5/5

YourDarkAffected
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

1653 Comments


Is shit like this really what makes the newsfeed now?


Storm In A Teacup
December 14th 2013

12708 Comments


yeah lucy-cas you have lots of splainin to do!!!! investigative journalism is not allowed on sputnik nor on any networking of information that wishes to enter the mainstream. to question is to kill your suck up potential!!!!

jdennis31
December 14th 2013

6511 Comments


Wait...what? It's hard to take an anti-human-trafficking message seriously because of a
difference of opinion on a completely different topic? (3)

also very confused.

XingKing
December 14th 2013

10456 Comments


Article is stupid as fuck

YourDarkAffected
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

1653 Comments


Article is stupid as fuck [2]


demigod!
December 14th 2013

44152 Comments


andcas articles are worse than cancer

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Gwyn.
December 14th 2013

15016 Comments


I think it says something when you can predict when an article is an andcas article and be right almost all the time

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SarcasticBastardV2
December 14th 2013

53 Comments


Andcas articles cause cancer.

Love you Andcas.

ILJ
December 14th 2013

6663 Comments


not really sure how not supporting gays due to a religious belief nullifies an opinion on human trafficking. i'd say that anybody that believes that is pretty fucking dumb honestly.

jdennis31
December 14th 2013

6511 Comments


when has andcas ever exhibited any sort of intelligence anyways?

Gwyn.
December 14th 2013

15016 Comments


hey don't insult defend pop punk warrior

silenteye
December 14th 2013

12 Comments


The douche is entitled to his opinion and has the freedom to express it online as much as I disagree with it.

Band's pretty gay though amirite

sniper
December 14th 2013

19048 Comments


andcas is an alright guy but yeah his news articles are atrocities 97% of the time

Emim
December 14th 2013

26618 Comments


Andcas bringing unbiased news as always. Gonna have to start calling him Hannity.

sniper
December 14th 2013

19048 Comments


fair and balandcased

Parallels
December 14th 2013

6641 Comments


Gay news article andcas [2]

Jacob818Hollows
December 14th 2013

124 Comments


So it's suddenly not okay for bands to state opinions? I don't care if a band is pro-homosexual marriage or anti-homosexual marriage, the members have a right to state their opinions.

This article is crazy biased, andcas.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


gay band

"the members have a right to state their opinions."

yeah and we also have the right to say they're fucking dumb and should die

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skeames1214
December 14th 2013

2713 Comments


Uhm, it's their right too, but that doesn't mean others don't have the right to call them out for their bigoted and harmful opinions.

put it this way, if a band came out as anti-Semitic, I bet most people wouldn't be so quick to jump to their defense.

discovolante
December 14th 2013

667 Comments


Montgomery deleted his homophobic blog entry
http://www.mattiemontgomery.com/archives/492


lolzz

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bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


Well, when the opinions are fuckin' dumb and rather bigoted (he can say otherwise all he likes) people should be aware of it.

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Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


It's 20 fucking 13, how do people like this still exist



FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


I think the answer's pretty obvious.

sniper
December 14th 2013

19048 Comments


"So it's suddenly not okay for bands to state opinions? I don't care if a band is pro-homosexual marriage or anti-homosexual marriage, the members have a right to state their opinions.

This article is crazy biased, andcas."

how is it biased to call a bigot out for being a bigot

skeames1214
December 14th 2013

2713 Comments


also, coming out against human trafficking?

so brave.

TomArnoldsArmpit
December 14th 2013

3005 Comments


this is not news. not noteworthy news anyway

Uranium
December 14th 2013

7088 Comments


Gay news article andcas [3]



skeames1214
December 14th 2013

2713 Comments


it's a niche music website. I think it qualifies.

bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


And the reason why he claims to not support it is even fuckin' dumber than not supporting it for homophobic reasons.

Kman418
December 14th 2013

10226 Comments


i find it funny that ever since i realized i'm gay i've literally stopped caring about homophobia or lgbt rights and shit at all like it genuinely upset me more when i thought i was straight so i dunno whats up with that

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


you're all cisgender scum anyway

skeames1214
December 14th 2013

2713 Comments


@Kman u gotta keep fighting the good fight.

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


India just criminalized gaysex again. it now carries a 10 yr max sentence lol

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Kman418
December 14th 2013

10226 Comments


no i mean like if i'm ever in a situation where someones trying to argue with me about it or some shit like that ofc i'll stand up for lgbt rights and shit but like this or people just casually using faggot or gay as a blanket term for shitty things really doesn't even phase me anymore

Gwyn.
December 14th 2013

15016 Comments


its kinda the same thing to me, like i used to get upset about it but im pretty sure that's mostly cause i felt like i had to but then eventually i just stopped caring, i didn't realize i was bi until a little later though

skeames1214
December 14th 2013

2713 Comments


yeah, it's a part of the vernacular that's hard to avoid, I can see becoming desensitized to it.

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


i have a fetish for hairy buttholes, if that counts

Parallels
December 14th 2013

6641 Comments


"Raise your hand if you jerk it to trannies"

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

SarcasticBastardV2
December 14th 2013

53 Comments


I'm transspeciesxual. Ever since infancy I've known that I was a honey badger trapped in the body of a male homo sapien. That said I've determined that the surgery just isn't worth it since I just don't give a shit.

RogueNine
December 14th 2013

1232 Comments


"While this is a very noble cause, it's rather hard to take seriously considering the band has yet to come out and openly declare that homosexuality isn't a sin."

Are you kidding me? Way to purposefully stretch that...

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


sin is made up

RogueNine
December 14th 2013

1232 Comments


OK?

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


yes

RogueNine
December 14th 2013

1232 Comments


Fascinating.

RadicalEd
December 14th 2013

2591 Comments


Shit band anyways.

KenboSlice
December 14th 2013

918 Comments


Time to jam Callout by Attila

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW4HKYmVSxk

Gwyn.
December 14th 2013

15016 Comments


"yeah, it's a part of the vernacular that's hard to avoid, I can see becoming desensitized to it. "

I wouldn't say i'm desensitized from it -- I still get very annoyed when I see people pretending they care about this subject matter a whole lot more than they actually do

FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


well said

Winsomniac
December 14th 2013

7968 Comments


For Nongays

Friday13th
December 14th 2013

2345 Comments


"While this is a very noble cause, it's rather..."
Using the "tu quoque" fallacy isn't even right when the two things are relevant to eachother.
I am a Christian and I believe lots of things are sin. Everyone has sinned so I don't treat anyone differently. Am I a biggot? That's what conservative Christians believe. This Reynolds guy probably sounded more like the infamous Westboro baptist church, so yeah there is a difference. Some people seem to have no room for Christians in their perfect world where everyone agrees.

Kman418
December 14th 2013

10226 Comments


this will have 200-400 comments when i wake up i can feel it

Friday13th
December 14th 2013

2345 Comments


I don't care for the band, but I might just read it. You're mad because God doesn't tell gays to marry when He already said it's a sin? What part of this premise is so perplexing? Christianity in 10 seconds: Perfect world + Everyone sinned = chaotic world. Sinners (everyone) + God's love (Jesus) = new life in friendship with God. God doesn't sin so Christians don't want to either.

championofthesun
December 14th 2013

39 Comments


There will always be people opposed to homosexuality and gay marriage, legalised or not. The worst
thing you can do is give them attention.

Recspecs
December 14th 2013

9829 Comments


Good too see andcas still shit-news posting

Friday13th
December 14th 2013

2345 Comments


I do need help. What red flags, andacas? That someone might believe something you don't?

Futures
December 14th 2013

9654 Comments


A Christian band not supporting gays?????!!!!111 WOW

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KILL
December 14th 2013

71482 Comments


ignore these homophobes andcas they will never bring u down

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Friday13th
December 14th 2013

2345 Comments


All he said was no sex outside of marriage between man and woman. I know, it's dangerously radical ideology. Call me homophobe! My favorite singer is Rob Halford! I'm not kidding.

Minus.
December 14th 2013

2680 Comments


Is this news?

Rexhasta
December 14th 2013

65 Comments


Dredging up old blog posts = somewhat pointless article.

KILL
December 14th 2013

71482 Comments


dont question andcas bitch

Friday13th
December 14th 2013

2345 Comments


@Andacas I judge a singer for his singing, I judge myself by what I believe, and I let God judge people based on their personal relationship with Him. What do you judge Christians by? The acts of a minority of radicals?

bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


wew lad this one ain't gon' be pretty

Funeralopolis
December 14th 2013

11230 Comments


Who cares that For Today doesn't like gays, they are christian band after all I mean its not like it is really surprising.

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eatelectricsugar
December 14th 2013

1 Comments


Honestly, there are countless amounts of gay people in this scene. So much support for gays comes from this sort of scene and yet they advertise their political views to this scene. Idiots.

Zuver87
December 14th 2013

47 Comments


This band is gay.

BroFro
December 14th 2013

405 Comments


To me this didn't come across as him hating gays as much as it did him being a total idiot. He states his beliefs pretty clearly; he thinks that society's practice of marriage regardless of sexuality is fundamentally flawed, according to the bible. Presumably, if he witnessed a homosexual marriage that was "godly", he would consider it ok..?...

...lol who am i kidding. What a dick.

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TPM731
December 14th 2013

236 Comments



not really sure how not supporting gays due to a religious belief nullifies an opinion on human trafficking. i'd say that anybody that believes that is pretty fucking dumb honestly. [2]

While i agree that these guys are idiotic, hypocritical scum, that shouldn't discount the good things that they might do.

Atari
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

19672 Comments


andcas why do you do this on your freetime? lol

italianStallion
December 14th 2013

169 Comments


The comments against this band are a million times more "intolerant" than anything Mattie Montegomery said in his essay. All he did was respectfully state his personal opinion (which lines up with his spiritual beliefs) and the entire internet turns into a bunch of whiny cry babies.

They new video is rad by the way, and I've never liked anything else they've released.

Owantjaaaa
December 14th 2013

3215 Comments


I swear, some people on this site would listen to hitler's music if he made a good album

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italianStallion
December 14th 2013

169 Comments


If we had a Amish hardcore band ranting about how we are all mindless morons and going to hell for using cell phones, I would not give a shit. When we have vegan death metal/hardcore bands screaming about how we're horrible people for eating meat, I do not give a shit. When we have a metalcore band screaming about gay marriage being wrong, I do not give a shit.

This is just a cry baby butthurt internet tantrum because 50% of the internet had to go to youth group when they were 15

SarcasticBastardV2
December 14th 2013

53 Comments


One of the early Burzum albums has 1000+ ratings and is at a 4.3 currently. Kind of because the album is really good and his personal bullshit doesn't change that in any way. If Hitler made really good chocolate would you say it tasted bad just because he made it? I wouldn't, I'd eat that shit up and tell him he should probably lay off the Jews after I finished wiping my mouth.

minimesmyidol
December 14th 2013

191 Comments


lol christians are a trip. So if someone legitly believed that god commanded them to be gay and hand chose who they would love, he, an oracle of heaven, would be all for it?
ok, its not bigotted like the dude they booted, ill give him that. but it does rank as one of the most idiotic thing ive heard

Cygnatti
December 14th 2013

21350 Comments


sweet andcas is like best user tho [2]

"This is just a cry baby butthurt internet tantrum because 50% of the internet had to go to youth group when they were 15"

um okay, congratulations. this may come as a surprise to you but other people aren't you. or didn't you know?

italianStallion
December 14th 2013

169 Comments


^ Burzum literally murdered humans. With his bare hands. The music community just thinks it's "super death metal". For Today states an opinion and tears begin flowing like fountains.

also lol @ social justice warrior buzzwords like "bigot"

Cygnatti
December 14th 2013

21350 Comments


"One of the early Burzum albums has 1000+ ratings and is at a 4.3 currently. Kind of because the album is really good and his personal bullshit doesn't change that in any way. If Hitler made really good chocolate would you say it tasted bad just because he made it? I wouldn't, I'd eat that shit up and tell him he should probably lay off the Jews after I finished wiping my mouth."

okay but what exactly does this have to do with anything?

Realm
December 14th 2013

2074 Comments


would rather suck a cock than listen to xian metalcore anyway

ILJ
December 14th 2013

6663 Comments


" okay but what exactly does this have to do with anything?"

"I swear, some people on this site would listen to hitler's music if he made a good album"

Judio!
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

5417 Comments


"Christian metalcore"

I doubt I could ever enjoy a genre with this name.

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TheDarkestNight
December 14th 2013

174 Comments


For Today are human waste.

As for the "right to express their opinion." We also have the right to talk about how shitty they are as human beings. They're bigots and religion is cancer, this article is a perfect example as to why what I say is true.

ILJ
December 14th 2013

6663 Comments


"as for the "it's not a relating argument", this band is "standing up for" human rights, while denying them to a certain
group.

so while "far removed to some" it does make sense in the end. "

ok but they're still allowed to speak out against human trafficking and i still back them for that. they don't like gays. while i completely disagree with that sentiment it in no way affects what i think of their beliefs on human trafficking because, whether you think so or not, they are unrelated. entirely. my girlfriend likes some music that i find to be terrible, but she also likes a lot of things that are really good so if she recs me something she thinks i will like i'm going to give it a shot because her liking things i don't doesn't nullify her opinion. probably not the best analogy but fuck it.

also i didn't realize so many people on this site were bi/gay

Shuyin
December 14th 2013

11465 Comments


band's gay

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TheGreatQ
December 14th 2013

1353 Comments


The comments against this band are a million times more "intolerant" than anything Mattie Montegomery said in his essay. All he did was respectfully state his personal opinion (which lines up with his spiritual beliefs) and the entire internet turns into a bunch of whiny cry babies. [2]

^ Burzum literally murdered humans. With his bare hands. The music community just thinks it's "super death metal". For Today states an opinion and tears begin flowing like fountains.

also lol @ social justice warrior buzzwords like "bigot" [2]

TheDarkestNight
December 14th 2013

174 Comments


Both Burzum and For Today are fucking terrible. Stop trying to be cool and hipster you degenerate fucknugget

TomAkaVeto
December 14th 2013

1624 Comments


Not defending the dude because I don't know why he thinks he has the right too preach about his beliefs as if he's some figurehead for Christianity, but he never said anything "homophobic" or spewed any sort of hate. People are way overreacting. All he did was say he personally doesn't believe in any kind of marriage (gay or not) that isn't commanded by God. I don't see how that's hateful at all. You're entitled to think he's crazy for his beliefs, but I don't think he's a bigoted asshole.

TheDarkestNight
December 14th 2013

174 Comments


All he did was say he personally doesn't believe in any kind of marriage (gay or not) that isn't commanded by God.

Marriage predates organized Christianity. So he just proved himself to be an idiot along with a bigot. Some people just were never able to break free of the oppressive nature of religion.

mgeorge7
December 14th 2013

22 Comments


"For Today are human waste.

As for the "right to express their opinion." We also have the right to talk about how shitty they are as human beings. They're bigots and religion is cancer, this article is a perfect example as to why what I say is true."

The bigotry and hate towards religious people in this post itself is astounding for someone who is trying to act 'accepting' of others (in this case, the LGBT community). A great example of irony.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


lol

SarcasticBastardV2
December 14th 2013

53 Comments


How the fuck is early Burzum terrible?

TheDarkestNight
December 14th 2013

174 Comments


The bigotry and hate towards religious people in this post itself is astounding for someone who is trying to act 'accepting' of others (in this case, the LGBT community). A great example of irony.

Irony? That's your best defense against my post? I'm not trying to accept people who are anti-gay. If they have those opinions, let them have them. Doesn't mean I have to accept them. Get the fuck over it, go back to having your mom read you a bible verse. Bigotry will be called out in today's world.

TheGreatQ
December 14th 2013

1353 Comments


And you are literally being more bigoted than he was.

zaruyache
December 14th 2013

6273 Comments


How is boiling down all homosexual relationships to simply carnal desire anything resembling "respectful"?

Duckman118
December 14th 2013

301 Comments


"christianity has no place in music"
August Burns Red, Living Sacrifice and Life in Your Way disagree.

pbass0
December 14th 2013

520 Comments


So he is "hating" homosexuals for having an opinion that doesn't meet what is becoming the social norm? Excellent reasoning.

OwMySnauze
December 14th 2013

955 Comments


Who cares

moshpotatoes
December 14th 2013

542 Comments


Let me get this straight... You watched a music video from an openly Christian band that showed one second of a poster that was some how offensive to the gay community and you decided to create a whole news article about it, even though it's highly irreverent to any sort of news (especially since the music video came out 3 days ago) and the only reason you did this was so spark up controversy.

After watching this video, I saw the REAL message For Today was trying to get across. It's about children forcing to be sex slaves in 3rd world countries... But there's always some douche bag trying to misinterpret things to start arguments.

Good job andcas.

sixdegrees
December 14th 2013

16951 Comments


haha cool all the christcore kids are on.

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TheMoreira
December 14th 2013

7175 Comments


Well done andcas, but i can't help but feel like people are only forcing Mattie to go against his beliefs and speak something that is not on his mind with all this crap. I don't think his beliefs on sexuality have anything to do with the credibility of the band's new video's message (human traffic). I think Matt's rambling itself though, really shows what Matt thinks about homosexuality and even though i disagree and begin feeling Matt is actually just another closed minded fanatic christian, it's his opinion and i'm pretty sure he's already struggling with that enough. No point picking on him for it, let the man be.

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Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


"How is boiling down all homosexual relationships to simply carnal desire anything resembling "respectful"?" [1000000000000]

/thread

Parallels
December 14th 2013

6641 Comments


This is sad

TheMoreira
December 14th 2013

7175 Comments


Agreed Trebor. But oh well

#godhatesfags

FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


wheres emim

evilford
December 14th 2013

22369 Comments


"One of the early Burzum albums has 1000+ ratings and is at a 4.3 currently. Kind of because the album is really good and his personal bullshit doesn't change that in any way. If Hitler made really good chocolate would you say it tasted bad just because he made it? I wouldn't, I'd eat that shit up and tell him he should probably lay off the Jews after I finished wiping my mouth."

lmfao

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TheMoreira
December 14th 2013

7175 Comments


And hey it's accurate too. Sarcasticbastard and Italianstallion said it basically. I mean this
shouldn't be a reason for anyone to even see the band diferently, it's the dudes opinion after all. I
hadn't even ruled out that a die hard christian such as Matt had an opinion any different, on
homosexual relationships.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


It's a really good thing they make shit music

evilford
December 14th 2013

22369 Comments


"Christian metalcore"

Well wait herein lies the problem

FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


"Christian"

Well wait herein lies the problem

bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


lol at all of the people defending these guys and saying they're "standing up for human rights." If they cared so much they'd stop being nit-picky about which humans deserve rights and realize we all deserve them.

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


Christian logic

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


the magic man in the sky only loves certain people

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


infallible logic, really

bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


I mean, c'mon. It's almost 2014

SitarHero
December 14th 2013

4661 Comments


So he can't worship his God because you don't believe in what his God has told him, and somehow he's the asshole? Y'all are a bunch of fascist idiots.

RogueNine
December 14th 2013

1232 Comments


Oh you guys.

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments



and if these right wing Christian muppets would get their head out of their ass and read a science book, they might learn that homosexuality is a biological and statistical certainty. However, I guess it's easier to be scared of that homo that always wants to suck your asshole dry

ILJ
December 14th 2013

6663 Comments


"So he can't worship his God because you don't believe in what his God has told him, and somehow he's the asshole? Y'all are a bunch of fascist idiots."

When, exactly, did anybody say he can't worship his god? I don't think anybody here particularly gives a shit who worships what so long as they're respectful about it and don't shove it down others' throats. And let's face it, if this band doesn't shove their beliefs down people's throats, I don't know who the fuck does.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


If it wasn't for christianity we'd probably be chilling with aliens in space by now

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


If it wasn't for christianity we'd probably be chilling with aliens in space by now

bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


"So he can't worship his God because you don't believe in what his God has told him, and somehow he's the asshole? Y'all are a bunch of fascist idiots."

You see, that's the thing. His god hasn't "told" him anything.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


God told me to skin you alive

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


i say anyone with the IQ of a pigeon, who is going to twist the teachings of their "god" to go hatemongering on groups of people that are minding their own business should be disallowed from worship, even though that's technically impossible yea

world would be better off if this were at all possible

EyeForAnEye
December 14th 2013

1692 Comments


thanks Andcas.

TooLateToGoBack
December 14th 2013

1762 Comments


Always forget how many edgy, atheist users are on this site until an article like this shows up.

Keep fighting the good fight, guys.


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FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


yep because only atheists don't like christians

last time i checked no one likes christians

bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


>tfw not even an atheist and I hate these guys

bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


I don't hate christians either. I just hate assholes.

FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


same thing itt

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


"that guy possesses common sense and compassion toward his fellow man" = "he must be an atheist"

TheDarkestNight
December 14th 2013

174 Comments


the magic man in the sky only loves certain people [2]

If it wasn't for christianity we'd probably be chilling with aliens in space by now
[2]

Italianjesusfootball
December 14th 2013

250 Comments


Fuck this band.

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solongatlast
December 14th 2013

194 Comments


"So he can't worship his God because you don't believe in what his God has told him, and somehow he's the asshole? Y'all are a bunch of fascist idiots."
[2]

Anyone ever read the Bible? Because it's pretty explicitly stated that homosexuality is a sin. Just sayin. If you're gonna call yourself a Bible-following Christian, I say props to you for taking a biblical stance that is going to make the rest of the world hate you.



sixdegrees
December 14th 2013

16951 Comments


fuck off bigoted pos

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


that bible written by men who possessed the key to all of the mysteries of the universe

TooLateToGoBack
December 14th 2013

1762 Comments


Well, no, he's correct.

If he's truly following the Christine doctrine -- then it'd be a bigger concern for him to be judged
by his God rather than worry about the judgments and opinions of people.

As unfortunate and disappointing as it is for him to be hating gays - at least he's sticking with his
convictions and word of the Bible and not faltering in his beliefs and understandings because society
tells him he's a bigot.

sixdegrees
December 14th 2013

16951 Comments


how is that a good thing

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


sound logic

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


Doesn't the bible also say you should kill your kids if they look at you wrong and slavery is OK and shit

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


sounds pretty logical to me, Trebs

FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


wow

i mean i know the atlantic ocean is pretty huge but i never thought there were people over there who took the bible, word for word, as exact truth

they all died out about 50 years ago over here

TheDarkestNight
December 14th 2013

174 Comments


I think the bible talks about what to do if your wife fucks a goat.

Because that's totally a problem in a modern, advanced society.

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


word for word for word and them some. scary times up in this bitch

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


noah took two of every animal and put them on a boat dude it fucking happened

Even though we discover like 5 new species of animal a week, he somehow put those fuckers on there too

even though it's physically impossible to start a gene pool with only two animals of many species like turtles and humans and shit ah fuck


Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


its a giant metaphor tho bro. convenient right? just like my local Kwik-E-Mart

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
December 14th 2013

50114 Comments


I like how people never actually have any constructive counter arguments to atheists, they're always just like "ughh edgy atheists ughh yeah"

TheDarkestNight
December 14th 2013

174 Comments


Christians: One second they take the bible literally, when they're called out on it, they suddenly change it all into a metaphor.

Come on you fucks it's 2013, almost 2014. Grow up, this isn't the Dark Ages.

solongatlast
December 14th 2013

194 Comments


People never really have any constructive counter arguments to anything, sadly.

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


there is no constructive comebacks when your beliefs are based on faith in an unknown entity. at least none that conform
to science and logic. it is what it is

it's unfortunate when they manipulate "the word of god" to serve and perpetuate their hateful insecurities

RogueNine
December 14th 2013

1232 Comments


Emim's not here because it's a lost cause, dude.

Jennifer22
December 14th 2013

255 Comments


I didn't realize religion was such a big deal on this website. I personally never paid much attention to any of it. It wasn't important enough to me to even consider when I was growing up.

I will say this though, most of you in this thread are reacting out of blind anger, both on the pro/con side.

For the religious: You have every right to defend what you believe. But you need to ask yourself; is this what you really believe? Is this what a deity would want you to do? Would he care? Supposedly beliefs are centered around love, acceptance and tolerance. By following an ancient book word for word, are you really doing this? What if your deity hates the bible? What if your deity hates marriage for everyone? There are a lot of questions you need to ask yourself. If you have your own individual beliefs not influenced by what's been forced on you during your life, then good for you. That's respectable. Otherwise, stop forcing your beliefs on the atheists/agnostics/homosexuals/etc.

For the non-religious: Congratulations, scientific knowledge has expended exponentially in the last 50 years alone. Yes, Medieval crusades and such repressed scientific expansion. The question is, why are you wasting your time here talking to these people who obviously aren't going to change their beliefs. You can't suddenly turn a life-long belief around in the matter of a simple internet conversation. Instead of attempting to convert them, why not try and learn more about the world? Use your scientific thinking mind for a good purpose. Let's figure out how to better the world and better the people in it. Be loving and accepting. Attacking the religious is going to breed nothing but hate.

Rexhasta
December 14th 2013

65 Comments


123

Rexhasta
December 14th 2013

65 Comments


Agree or disagree, it is just the opinion of some random vocalist. At the end of the day, he is only hurting his own image with his outspoken views on the LGBT community. Trying to discredit him on an unrelated activity because of an old blog post seems kind of malicious though.

ILJ
December 14th 2013

6663 Comments


"Let's figure out how to better the world and better the people in it. Be loving and accepting. Attacking the religious is going to breed nothing but hate."

Yeah you're right, religious people breed enough hate on their own. They also kill in the name of their deity, torture, you know, all those things that are loving and accepting. Yes i realize this is a vast minority that do that but there is a big difference between attacking the religious and trying to make them see that their senseless violence and hate is senseless and that's what they don't fucking get. Don't like them? Fine, whatever, but quit shoving it down their fucking throats talking about how they will be condemned to hell and all that shit. I have zero problem with the concept of religion. I have a problem with most religious people because they don't know how to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, and most importantly, respectful of others that don't share their beliefs. Sure, many atheists are disrespectful too and that's something that also needs to stop but religious people don't exactly help the problem.

/rant

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/433/346/433346690_640.jpg

FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


jesus straight from the pit

Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


he's fucking pissed

SeaAnemone
December 14th 2013

20049 Comments


Andcas Is The Perez Hilton Of Scenecore...Again

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Dunpeal
December 14th 2013

3659 Comments


somebody has to be

SeaAnemone
December 14th 2013

20049 Comments


Andcas Is The Perez Hilton Of Scenecore...Again

FadeToBlack
December 14th 2013

10914 Comments


It was an interesting question…one that has been around for a couple of thousand years. I was on my
way to work, driving the back streets as I do every morning on my twenty-five minute drive from the
little 5th wheel trailer I call home to the office. As I do every morning, I was listening to a
local Christian radio station during their morning call-in segment. The discussion topic for the day
was “what do you think Heaven will be like?” It was the last call that I heard before I pulled into
the parking lot that got my attention and caused me to reflect back on the centuries old question.

The caller responded something like this.


“I think Heaven is going to be like a big worship rock concert with Jesus leading the worship. And
during one of His songs, He’s going to jump out into the mosh pit!”

Jesus in the mosh pit…what a concept! For this caller, Jesus was someone who knew how to have fun…at
least the caller’s definition of fun. That was her picture of who her Savior is. And it was that
thought that led me to my reflection of the question that Christ asks His disciples – “Who do you
say that I am?” I love that question probably more than any other question that Jesus asks in the
Gospels (and He asks a lot.)

If someone would have asked me that question ten years ago, I would have said the Jesus was my
Savior and probably wouldn’t have added much more detail to my answer. The reason is simple…I didn’t
really know WHO He was, at least not personally. And my answer would have been right. He is my
Savior.

Recspecs
December 14th 2013

9829 Comments


"I thought we were friends Recspecs

is this what I get for being the only sputnik user to accept your sausage fest orgy?"

Love you bby

MoosechriS
December 14th 2013

4960 Comments


hahahahahahaha seriously!?!? wtf is this shit? The hypocrisy from pricks like these is hilarious. More idiots spreading hate in the name of one religion or another after being indoctrinated and lead into mind numbing slavery.

Ignimbrite
December 14th 2013

5320 Comments


This is such a shitty article

Jennifer22
December 14th 2013

255 Comments


"Yeah you're right, religious people breed enough hate on their own. They also kill in the name of their deity, torture, you know, all those things that are loving and accepting. Yes i realize this is a vast minority that do that but there is a big difference between attacking the religious and trying to make them see that their senseless violence and hate is senseless and that's what they don't fucking get. Don't like them? Fine, whatever, but quit shoving it down their fucking throats talking about how they will be condemned to hell and all that shit. I have zero problem with the concept of religion. I have a problem with most religious people because they don't know how to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, and most importantly, respectful of others that don't share their beliefs. Sure, many atheists are disrespectful too and that's something that also needs to stop but religious people don't exactly help the problem. "

No-one helps the problem. The people who kill in the name of their beliefs are psychopaths. Religious or not. Genghis Khan (to my knowledge) wasn't religious, and look at what he did. Hate from either side is simply catastrophic.

Calc
December 14th 2013

12142 Comments


yay this fucking topic again!!!!

CosmicTiger
December 14th 2013

24 Comments


Would this be an inopportune time to reveal that Mattie and I are part of a group that vomits on each other for pleasure on a weekly basis? We are all males and love to follow up the "Blast Session" --as we like to call them--with a nice game of Mario Party: Bukkake War.

Sincerely,
CosmicTiger

Jennifer22
December 14th 2013

255 Comments


"Mario Party: Bukkake War"

My sides are blazing up right now from laughing.

BillClinton
December 14th 2013

116 Comments


Article is stupid as fuck (13)

championofthesun
December 14th 2013

39 Comments


So I can't even check out a music website without having to put up with religious debate

Kman418
December 14th 2013

10226 Comments


196 FUCK I WAS SO CLOSE

ILJ
December 14th 2013

6663 Comments


sputnikreligion

Jennifer22
December 14th 2013

255 Comments


Church of the Sput

breakingthefragile
December 14th 2013

2955 Comments


Idk guiz how can we be sure deez views aren't just............FOR TODAY

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bach
December 14th 2013

12361 Comments


"Church of the Sput"

God, no.

Parallels
December 14th 2013

6641 Comments


"and if these right wing Christian muppets would get their head out of their ass and read a science book, they might learn that homosexuality is a biological and statistical certainty."

Gene_Wilder_Willy_Wonka.jpg


KerfuffleinaHussle
December 14th 2013

759 Comments


"Idk guiz how can we be sure deez views aren't just............FOR TODAY"

pun of the year 2013

Emim
December 14th 2013

26618 Comments


If it wasn't for christianity we'd probably be chilling with aliens in space by now"


I know you're probably being mostly sarcastic, trebs, but that is patently untrue.

Emim
December 14th 2013

26618 Comments


also yay another thread with unqualified people arguing theology

sinisterplague
December 14th 2013

151 Comments


Whats this? A band with outdated ideas that the metal community largely disapproves of?

CRUCIFY THESE FUCKERS!

heyadam
December 14th 2013

1708 Comments


How is this news?

heyadam
December 14th 2013

1708 Comments


I mean, it's completely opinion riddled haha. If he did openly talk about how he hates gays that would be news, but this is all talking out of context about something Mattie said over a year ago and trying to connect it to recent events.

SitarHero
December 14th 2013

4661 Comments


'I like how people never actually have any constructive counter arguments to atheists, they're always just like "ughh edgy atheists ughh yeah'

I like how atheists never have any arguments but just assume that 'god doesn't exist because science!' Dogmatic atheists and dogmatic theists are both equally idiotic.

someguest
December 14th 2013

20393 Comments


You're all retarded, but andcas is the most retarded for rekindling arguments that don't even fucking matter because the band with said views means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

SarcasticBastardV2
December 14th 2013

53 Comments


Dogmatic atheists and dogmatic theists are both equally idiotic.

I'd say dumbass atheists (the ones who spout that god doesn't exist and cannot possibly exist
because there is no proof he/she/they/it does) are not equally idiotic to those who are
saying something that is already demonstrably false from basic textbook material is true, but yeah,
they're dumb as fuck too. Just not to the same degree.

I'm an atheist but any atheist who says a deist or an agnostic is wrong is making a leap of faith as
well. Lack of faith in a god is faith in science because none of this has any empirical element to
it. I just happen to default to placing the burden of proof on those claiming something more
unrecognizable to us created it all, but hey, the deists might be right. I doubt it, but it's
possible.

EyeForAnEye
December 14th 2013

1692 Comments


Mattie Montgomery, for a dude that writes a ton of songs about 'he' and 'him' it's kinda surprising
he's against dudes liking dudes.

SarcasticBastardV2
December 14th 2013

53 Comments


"Realize even disbelief requires a leap of faith" --- Alexisonfire. Better sums up what I was saying.

ZippaThaRippa
December 15th 2013

2416 Comments


Who fucking cares? Outdated or not, people are entitled to believe whatever they like. If you're offended by their views, don't listen to their music. Or steal it. Whatever.

YakNips
December 15th 2013

9758 Comments


DONT FUCKING. CARE

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Slut
December 15th 2013

2461 Comments


I hate everyone

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someguest
December 15th 2013

20393 Comments


Who are you to call anyone a lunatic, Pissy Pants?

SarcasticBastardV2
December 15th 2013

53 Comments


Hah! Andcas urinated in his trousers. Game over.

Lakes.
December 15th 2013

26924 Comments


Calc hates gay people

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Lakes.
December 15th 2013

26924 Comments


atheists r dum lolol get a life edgy redditors

someguest
December 15th 2013

20393 Comments


Lakes, don't diss these people who do nothing all day. Someone has to keep the Internet on its toes!

ZippaThaRippa
December 15th 2013

2416 Comments


God damn it when did this site become a fucking subreddit? Stop.

themainmast
December 15th 2013

247 Comments


Article is stupid as fuck [113]

iamSeraph
December 15th 2013

861 Comments


Never heard of a change of mind? This article is over one year old and Matty deleted it because it is no longer his opinion. It's not that hard to get. But of course it is easy to jump on a hyped hatetrain, obviously.

Lakes.
December 15th 2013

26924 Comments


except it totally probably still is his opinion and he deleted it to save face

Lakes.
December 15th 2013

26924 Comments


That said, who cares

dcha
December 15th 2013

990 Comments


OP has a lot of audacity using the term "incoherent rambling". This article is a mess.

Dunpeal
December 15th 2013

3659 Comments


he's quite an audacious fellow

nash1311
December 15th 2013

1754 Comments


"One of the early Burzum albums has 1000+ ratings and is at a 4.3 currently. Kind of because the album is really good and his personal bullshit doesn't change that in any way. If Hitler made really good chocolate would you say it tasted bad just because he made it? I wouldn't, I'd eat that shit up and tell him he should probably lay off the Jews after I finished wiping my mouth."

This was amazing. I LOL'd so hard.

botb
December 15th 2013

9652 Comments


a by the books christian doesn't approve of gay marriage

SHOCKING

you guys get butthurt over the silliest shit.

Emim
December 15th 2013

26618 Comments


obviously

Spec
December 15th 2013

27149 Comments


clearly

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heyadam
December 15th 2013

1708 Comments


without a doubt

heyadam
December 15th 2013

1708 Comments


Why should their music video that raises awareness about human trafficking be rendered void because the lead singer believes that being gay is wrong? C'mon man, at least make the article a little bit professional.

Masochist
December 15th 2013

8012 Comments


...Did I miss a religious debate? Damn. Hate it when I miss these.

Spec
December 15th 2013

27149 Comments



"Why should their music video that raises awareness about human trafficking be rendered void because the lead singer believes that being gay is wrong? C'mon man, at least make the article a little bit professional."

Agreed though.


Relinquished
December 15th 2013

24928 Comments


it could have been a reality in an alternate world

Azn.
December 15th 2013

5604 Comments


can we all just adopt the church of the technochrist

Wadlez
December 16th 2013

3906 Comments


The All Atheist Alliance

cliiint
December 16th 2013

572 Comments


andcas was the guy into mlp right?

eh thats irrelevant

Puckoff
December 16th 2013

36 Comments


'Hate?' I'm pretty sure people are allowed to have their own opinions without 'hating' on someone or a group of people.

Lakes.
December 16th 2013

26924 Comments


quick! get me my fedora!

Guzzo10
Contributing Reviewer
December 16th 2013

1021 Comments


Its seems like when any talk of religion or belief is involved on this website or others every one gets their panties in a wad. Fact of the matter is none of you know for a fact if Christianity, or Buddhism, or Hinduism is true. So argue about it till you are out of breath, because it does make for good comedy to read.

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Lakes.
December 16th 2013

26924 Comments


lol

Bengweeen
December 17th 2013

89 Comments


wait, why does anyone care what he thinks sin is? If you're not a christian and you dont believe in the bible, why do you care so badly what his definition of sin is? You guys are surprised that a christian from a christian band believes in the bible? and why are we digging up a blog post from back in the summer? article title should be "Mattie disagreed with homosexuality before Mike tweeted about homosexuality" seriously why do you people waste your time writing articles like this.

by the way, I've never actually seen anyone from the band say anything hateful about anybody. Just because they don't have the same beliefs as you doesn't mean they hate you. I've seen them live 5 times and can honestly say they are more compassionate and loving than most bands in this scene. So how about you guys try practicing this whole "acceptance" thing that you never stop rambling about and leave the dude alone. this article has butthurt written all over it.

godhatesfigs
December 17th 2013

40 Comments


Ya know, I am fine with gays and all, but what I can't understand is how men do it. And I don't mean "How can you do that!? Gross!," I mean like how does a penis fit inside of another penis?


Lakes.
December 17th 2013

26924 Comments


Docking: mutual masturbation by inserting the glans penis into the foreskin of another penis.


Dunpeal
December 17th 2013

3659 Comments


sounds kinky

INTOTHE3LIGHT
February 12th 2014

14 Comments


once again proof that nobody outside the christian community really understands a christian perspective on issues of homosexuality...

heyadam
February 12th 2014

1708 Comments


can this "news article" be deleted already?

spookynewghostfriend
February 12th 2014

3353 Comments


its two month old news lol a bit late to complain and considering it garndered a good 200+ comments it was probably an article worth posting tbh imo

intotheshit
February 12th 2014

3639 Comments


That's because a die hard Christian's views on homosexuals are rooted in hate and misplaced ideals. Fuck off.

YourDarkAffected
Contributing Reviewer
February 12th 2014

1653 Comments


Intothelight vs. intotheshit match going down

YourDarkAffected
Contributing Reviewer
February 12th 2014

1653 Comments


but I agree, this news article should be taken down. It's only point was to stir up a raging storm of hate comments anyway.

silentstar
February 12th 2014

2245 Comments


andcas sometimes forgot he was on sputnikmusic and not absolutepunk

and that's all right

Azn.
February 12th 2014

5604 Comments


gay people suck dick [2]

Guzzo10
Contributing Reviewer
February 12th 2014

1021 Comments


"That's because a die hard Christian's views on homosexuals are rooted in hate and misplaced ideals. Fuck off."


Obviously all christians are the same. Don't you know in the bible it says that its a Christian's duty to kill every homosexual? Every Muslim? Anybody who disagrees?

No. As a Christian, the belief says that if you see sin in someone, and in this case homosexuality, you should lead them away from said sin. You aren't supposed to hate on them. You aren't supposed to say death threats. As a Christian you are supposed to simply be like,

"Listen, its my belief that homosexuality is wrong, and its my job to try to lead you away from it. If you chose not to, that is your decision, and I respect it, but what I believe says that such a sin could lead you into more sin and hell. I'm still going to be your friend, love you as such, but just know that that is my belief. And if you choose to disagree with it, that is your opinion, and I respect that, for I have done what I am asked of by my God."

Guzzo10
Contributing Reviewer
February 12th 2014

1021 Comments


Only problem is more than half of the so called "Christians" in this world act in the complete opposite manner. Which is why what intotheshit comment can make sense in that aspect.

YourDarkAffected
Contributing Reviewer
February 12th 2014

1653 Comments


"No. As a Christian, the belief says that if you see sin in someone, and in this case homosexuality, you should lead them away from said sin. You aren't supposed to hate on them. You aren't supposed to say death threats."

...which is exactly For Today's position on it, yet people seem to equate "vocal disagreement" with "hate" these days.

jefflebowski
February 12th 2014

8101 Comments


'No. As a Christian, the belief says that if you see sin in someone, and in this case homosexuality, you should lead them away from said sin'

Jesus, how unbelievably patronizing of them. I'd probably rather they just hate me

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Satellite
February 12th 2014

20728 Comments


there are still christians?

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ASnideReturns
February 12th 2014

3835 Comments


...which is exactly For Today's position on it, yet people seem to equate "vocal disagreement" with "hate" these days. [2]

People seem to think free speech only extends to things that they support. Sorry everyone, it just doesn't work that way. It's called "Free" speech for a reason. For Today has quite a right to state their opinion regardless of how offensive it may be to people (myself included).

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intotheshit
February 12th 2014

3639 Comments


Who's arguing that he has no right to say it? He has every right to say it, just like I have every right to call him a bigot and a fucking moron.

Guzzo10
Contributing Reviewer
February 12th 2014

1021 Comments


that's not patronizing. To say that is patronizing is to say any belief that delves up an opinion of
what the afterlife is, or what you do to get there, is patronizing simply because they state their
opinion is true. As I said, you respect the others opinion, that is THEIR belief. Just like
Christianity is the others belief. If you are going to say that is patronzing, then the idea of
homosexuality is patronizing to every christian as it gets shoved down their throat(Which it isn't
patronizing to do so).

If we could live in a world where everybody respected each others opinions, no matter how outrageous,
then it would be so much better.

Guzzo10
Contributing Reviewer
February 12th 2014

1021 Comments


"Who's arguing that he has no right to say it? He has every right to say it, just like I have every right to call him a bigot and a fucking moron."


Although I am from the United States, I enjoy the jingoism that's in our comments. The sense that the rules and beliefs of America is the same everywhere in the world, lmao.

ASnideReturns
February 12th 2014

3835 Comments


Who's arguing that he has no right to say it? He has every right to say it, just like I have every right to call him a bigot and a fucking moron.

Exactly. You have every right to do that, but from what I read in this conversation it seemed like a lot of people were attempting to say that he shouldn't be allowed to say his opinions.

TheMoreira
February 12th 2014

7175 Comments


oh god this thread no

DUDE WAS PRESSED TO TALK ABOUT THIS; HE HAD HIS OPINION AND HAD TO VOICE IT. GIVE HIM A BREAK

END OF STORY

ASnideReturns
February 12th 2014

3835 Comments


What's annoying is that they kicked him out of the band because his opinion was poorly received. Smart business move though.

TheMoreira
February 12th 2014

7175 Comments


Nah man, this is about Mattie. That kicking out thing was with their guitarist, and that's what originated this whole thing with Mattie. Read the article closely

SitarHero
February 13th 2014

4661 Comments


This thread was amazing.

Dunpeal
February 13th 2014

3659 Comments


vegas is taking bets on when andcas makes his triumphant return

SitarHero
February 13th 2014

4661 Comments


Even if he doesn't, he went out on top.

TheMoreira
February 13th 2014

7175 Comments


I liked andcas, he was sweet shit

Curse.
Contributing Reviewer
February 13th 2014

7983 Comments


"Although I am from the United States, I enjoy the jingoism that's in our comments. The sense that the rules and beliefs of America is the same everywhere in the world, lmao. "


An American is talking about what another American said in America. That isn't jingoism.

Curse.
Contributing Reviewer
February 13th 2014

7983 Comments


Also, I'm only referring to what pit said, this original article is a mess and makes incredible logical leaps

VermTheImpaler
February 13th 2014

1360 Comments


Well, I can't blame those guys, band still awful but at least they are right in one thing.

TheMoreira
February 13th 2014

7175 Comments


So you have something agains me Verm?

zakalwe
February 13th 2014

7542 Comments


What the fuck is jingoism?
Something you collect in Banjo Kazooie innit?

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ButteryBiscuitBass
February 13th 2014

9899 Comments


showing your age there you old cunt!

zakalwe
February 13th 2014

7542 Comments


(Shaking fist) I'll get ya pesky buttery

VermTheImpaler
February 13th 2014

1360 Comments


Of course is just kidding and most of my comments related to certain topics can't be taken seriously.
Now seriously I don't caree about what the members of the LGBT does with their sexuality, that's not
my business, the only issue I have with that community is that they BITCHHHHHHHHHHHHH TOO
MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ABOUT EVEYRTHING, I know they have been discriminated and at that shit but even for
the most inoffensive and little jokes they loses their minds. They are not that special and they need
to understand that, besides is not necessary that those guys make a lot of propaganda about their
sexuality.

ButteryBiscuitBass
February 13th 2014

9899 Comments


:-D

TheMoreira
February 13th 2014

7175 Comments


"What the fuck is jingoism?
Something you collect in Banjo Kazooie innit?"

win

TheMoreira
February 13th 2014

7175 Comments


I AM SPECIAL VERM DONT COME TELLING ME IM NOT SPECIAL :'

VermTheImpaler
February 13th 2014

1360 Comments


Everybody here is special buddy. LGBT community is so butthurt about everything

RoyalImperialGuard
February 13th 2014

1323 Comments


RIP! Andcas

Digging: surrenderdorothy - nobodywantsme

zakalwe
February 13th 2014

7542 Comments


Butthurt, genius.


VermTheImpaler
February 13th 2014

1360 Comments


People is so butthurt, lol

SCREAM!
February 13th 2014

10038 Comments


"LGBT does with their sexuality, that's not
my business, the only issue I have with that community is that they BITCHHHHHHHHHHHHH TOO
MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ABOUT EVEYRTHING, I know they have been discriminated and at that shit but even for
the most inoffensive and little jokes they loses their minds."

And it's exactly because of idiots like you making these sweeping generalizations about something you clearly have no grasp on that they have to do this.

Digging: Old Witch - Come Mourning Come

TheMoreira
February 13th 2014

7175 Comments


Lol k i'll stop pretending im gay

Well it's easy to see why Verm, they're put on the spot for they're choices, hard

zakalwe
February 13th 2014

7542 Comments


That "high campness" is such an endearing personality trait.
It's the one thing I love about me dad.

VermTheImpaler
February 13th 2014

1360 Comments


Well it's easy to see why Verm, they're put on the spot for they're choices, hard

Yeah I know, but this is the year 2014, homophobia in most of the cases is not tolerated at all, now
people support that community and they don't care about the sexuality as long as their are good
workers, good professionals, even in the mainstream culture and in the daily life homophobic groups
are more hated than the LGBT community. So, They souldn't care about what the others think, that's a
strategy for survival that works well; most of those guys should stop caring about inoffensive jokes
and they should live their lives.

zakalwe
February 13th 2014

7542 Comments


2014 dude

VermTheImpaler
February 13th 2014

1360 Comments


Sorry, lemme correct that

Guzzo10
Contributing Reviewer
February 13th 2014

1021 Comments


@curse, While I did quote intothe, i was meaning that most all of the comments on this matter are said in such a manner that its assumed that everyone here is American, which whether or not that is true, this is Sputnik and has many different people representing different countries.



Guzzo10
Contributing Reviewer
February 13th 2014

1021 Comments


In other words, this is still the best thread pos

VermTheImpaler
February 13th 2014

1360 Comments


Chambers plz, you can't deal the epicness of my edgy comments.

joshieboy12345
February 13th 2014

5370 Comments


Foot in mouth seems to be something this band cannot do.

TheGreatQ
February 13th 2014

1353 Comments


Mattie actually said in an interview today he supports the government legalizing gay marriage lol

Puckoff
February 13th 2014

36 Comments


Hate? What hate?

Bootface
February 14th 2014

11 Comments


"it's rather hard to take seriously considering the band has yet to come out and openly declare that homosexuality isn't a sin."

This doesn't even make sense. They kicked a member out for gay bashing and have stated that they don't hold the same outdated beliefs that he does. Now, let's ignore the other gay rant by the front man, because it isn't relevant to this sentence. No matter their actions, they are forced to come out and say that homosexuality isn't a sin? If anything that is just as much a breach in freedom as it is to try and stop gay couples from existing. Their opinions are harmless, and they are trying hard to keep support the community in the first pace. Whether or not they think homosexuality is a sin (which it doesn't seem they do), they are not acting in a way to offend people so I don't see why they should have their arm twisted just because they have been silent on whether or not homosexuality is a sin. If the LGBT community is trying to go beyond tolerance and legal rights then they are just as bad as the people who try to oppress them in the first place.

That being said, I don't think the LGBT community is oppressive. I don't know this band, and I support LGBT too, but damn this is horribly written. Still trying to decide if the writer is a troll, and I suspect he is trolling us all.

BonRurgundy
February 14th 2014

351 Comments


This isn't news, this is opinions.

ASnideReturns
February 14th 2014

3835 Comments


Wow this news article has been commented on for a while.

Thibs
February 15th 2014

1345 Comments


I guess For Today hates pop punk...super gay

Digging: Distorted Harmony - Chain Reaction

ASnideReturns
February 16th 2014

3835 Comments


For Today goes Pop Punk.

Mabbitt
May 26th 2014

1353 Comments


I wish this was a new article

ohtheurgency
May 27th 2014

43 Comments


For Today trying to be relevant and edgy to get record sales.

iGuter
May 27th 2014

347 Comments


He had no place to say such things in his original statement, but this an apology. It doesn't change
his stance on the issue because it's not arrogance, it's a choice. He was raised on certain values
that he wants to uphold and the guy has an opinion, so lighten up. His opinion isn't popular of
course, but so what! He apologized for his bashing and he respects other people's opinions, so who the
fuck is angry about this? You don't have to like it or like him, but lighten up. This isn't a Chris
Brown situation because CB didn't even apologize!

zaruyache
May 27th 2014

6273 Comments


Tbqh, he was raised on stupid values that were most likely rooted in ignorance and bigotry and are
already considered to be "outdated" by much of society. If the guy had said something about inter-
racial marriage instead of homosexual marriage, nobody would've defended him because clearly
he would've been an ignorant, bigoted, piece-of-trash human being, and a "these are my personal
religious beliefs" argument wouldn't have flew at all.

But because it's about the marriage-ability "the gays"--which is a current issue of debate
as opposed to one that was dealt with decades ago--people somehow consider it OK to defend and white
knight him/them.

pffff whatever.

sixdegrees
May 27th 2014

16951 Comments


RIP andcas

zaruyache
May 27th 2014

6273 Comments


Re-reading the article I was actually surprised it was Andcas, given how well it was written. lol

Greyvy
May 27th 2014

4286 Comments


news articles haven't been worth reading since andcas left

zaruyache
May 27th 2014

6273 Comments


RIP Andcas

TzarChasm
May 27th 2014

138 Comments


Hating homosexuals, acting maliciously toward them, and voting in such a way as to consciously attempt to deny or strip them of basic civil rights is terrible and unjustifiable.

Believing that homosexuality, according to the tenets of one's religion, is neither. It is *absolutely* possible to believe that homosexuality goes against the grain of God's will while still respecting, affirming, and being friends with gay people. Yeah, that's possible—and yes, some (but not nearly enough) Christians do it. It's not hypocritical of them at all.

I'm not Christian. I'm not claiming to be one, nor am I attempting to make excuses for bigotry of any color. The fact is that it's ridiculous to ridicule people for holding a religious belief with which you disagree (something that's incredibly common here). Hating or mocking Christians for hating or mocking gays reduces you to nothing better than they are. ESPECIALLY because the statement "All Christians hate gay people" is no more true than is "All White people hate Black people."

TL;DR: The article is fundamentally flawed and steeped in prejudicial language. Hating bigots for being bigots is an expression of bigotry, which makes you a bigot. Go hate yourself.


sixdegrees
May 27th 2014

16951 Comments


oh boy here come the christian metalcore keyboard warriors to sound off on a six month old controversy

Lakes.
May 27th 2014

26924 Comments


so how about them gays, huh?

Kman418
May 27th 2014

10226 Comments


waht is going on in here again

Lakes.
May 27th 2014

26924 Comments


"christian metalcore keyboard warriors sound off on a six month old controversy"

Kman418
May 27th 2014

10226 Comments


hahaha idk bro someone just shoot their load up my butt already im thirsty tbh

someguest
May 27th 2014

20393 Comments


people with their minds rooted in the current century don't care about anyone's sexuality but their own

Lakes.
May 27th 2014

26924 Comments


you okay kman?

Nomos
May 27th 2014

827 Comments


Kind of sounds like you're gonna cry about it, Tzar.

These guys are garbage and they are hate-filled bigots. It's really sad that the one who got previously kicked out also has a small child who will undoubtedly be brainwashed.

Kman418
May 27th 2014

10226 Comments


"It is *absolutely* possible to believe that homosexuality goes against the grain of God's will while still respecting, affirming, and being friends with gay people."

straight ppl

SlMBOLlC
May 27th 2014

5008 Comments


Their beliefs suck! We must teach them to be tolerant by force!



MuhNamesTyler
May 27th 2014

3870 Comments


I already do hate myself. So I guess I won that argument

Thibs
May 28th 2014

1345 Comments


though there is certainly a small percentage of "believers" that are hate filled bigots, I don't think these dudes are. they would say they love all sinners. so that's what it comes down to, the sin, and the bible's interpretation of what sin is. a conservative social/evangelical stance will put a wall up against any movement or trend that may differ from specific biblical viewpoints.

thankfully some churches and many christians have evolved in the understanding that people are born gay and two consensual adults wanting to get their gay on is no one else's business. gay marriage should not be up to the government but wtv any given church feels is right for them.

don't paint any one religion with one brush. if you do then muslims are all terrorists, christians are all gay haters, and all buddhists are super chill. it's just not true.. it's extremism that is the real enemy.

zaruyache
May 28th 2014

6273 Comments


gay marriage should not be up to the government

Marriage is a government-endorsed institution. Many religions endorse the sacrament of marriage, but it is through the government that "married" individuals gain additional legal benefits. I don't care what your church/temple/mosque/prayer playground's definition of "marriage" is, because it's the government's definition that ultimately matters in any society, unless its also a religion that's controlling the government. This is an issue at all because there are people that insist their specific, religiously-based moral views be law for the rest of us, which is silly.

Thibs
May 28th 2014

1345 Comments


makes sense... and I agree, religiously based moral views made law for the rest of us is silly

I'm from Canada, I think we're all good on that front but I could be wrong...Alberta?

JAV
May 28th 2014

1934 Comments


If I knew who this was maybe I would care, but I just don't.
Other than to make this comment, my caring ends there.

Eons
May 28th 2014

464 Comments


I read the article the frontman posted and i didn't see shit that offended gays or anybody really.



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