Mattie seems like a cool guy.

nah. I'm sure they're all homophobic.

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lol what a diltch

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breakdowns for jesus.

What a fag

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junz for jesus

I saw this band once. they preached longer than they played.

god damn it, this guy is the reason that it's sometimes annoying being a Christian

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Crazy to think about intentions sometimes these days. I'm not protecting the guy or anything, he's clearly a moron, but "full-time mission work in the Middle East;" he seems like someone thoroughly committed to his beliefs, which is usually a quality to admire.

but he sucks, just saying

and it blows for him, going from playing in a band to that in a matter of days

he has a lot of hate that he wants to share with the world.

dude's a grade-a shitbag. fuck him.

damn this dude really opened up a can of worms. it's cool i guess that mattie's trying to reconcile
with the fans, hopefully he's more openminded.

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All in a days work for a good Christian lad like him.

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rou from enter shikari ripped him a new asshole.

I saw this band once. they preached longer than they played. (2)

seriously it was so annoying watching them play

bass drops for the lord

Awful band live, agreed.

yeah heres what rou said.

http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/enter_shikari_frontman_responds_to_for_today_anti_homosexuality_rant

here's what suburban scum said.

http://suburbanscumnjhc.tumblr.com/post/40274697882/heres-our-point-black-white-yellow-purple

Rou is not quite as intelligent or well spoken as Caleb Shomo but kudos to him for taking the stand.

Touche Amore said some stuff on twitter but i forget they said exactly

Or maybe Jesus died because they nailed him to a cross.... seriously the whole dying for sins is retarded even if you assume Jesus was real.

Yeah after watching that video of Mattie I have to say I have loads of respect for the guy. Not just from him having the guts to apologize to everybody like that but to actually deal out his phone number so people can talk to him about it. He's a good dude.

Oh damn, Mike Reynolds is that big, handsome burly one of the group. That's a damn shame.

double pedal jesus metal

"Yeah after watching that video of Mattie I have to say I have loads of respect for the guy. Not just from him having the guts to apologize to everybody like that but to actually deal out his phone number so people can talk to him about it. He's a good dude."

fuck him as well. he only threw his guitarist under the bus to save his own ass. of course he's gonna apologize so he can still keep his fanbase and not be lumped with his bigoted friend.

"fuck him as well. he only threw his guitarist under the bus to save his own ass. of course he's gonna apologize so he can still keep his fanbase and not be lumped with his bigoted friend. "

The guitarist threw himself under the bus. There was no help needed with that. Mattie may have some warped views too but he's at least respectful about them.

there's nothing about his kooky views to respect.

I don't understand how Christians justify that homosexuality is a sin. It's just not logical. Murder, infidelity, stealing...those things are logically bad because someone in being hurt. Homosexuality hurts no one. Is there even an argument for why it's bad? It makes as much sense as the "no tattoos" part of the Bible, but Reynolds seems to have no issues with committing that sin.

A lot of christians on the forums standing up for Reynolds with their whole "gay is wrong" shtick.

not to mention he probably bangs groupies all the time on tour but ya know, for the lord.

He called his wife a hag in his post, lol.

"there's nothing about his kooky views to respect."

I said he was respectful about them. By that I mean he doesn't make derogatory comments about people that don't share his beliefs.

the comments on For Today's youtube videos are going full retard

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"I said he was respectful about them. By that I mean he doesn't make derogatory comments about people that don't share his beliefs."

not openly.

I'm sorry I forgot you knew everything andcas

For Today sucks anyway. Saw them live at Warped once. 20 minutes of talking, 10 minutes of playing. I left before they finished.

Rou's commentary on the whole thing made my day. I don't get how people still have such archaic views in 2013, let alone the 21st century.

I forgive you but will god?

I don't understand how Christians justify that homosexuality is a sin. It's just not logical. Murder, infidelity, stealing...those things are logically bad because someone in being hurt. Homosexuality hurts no one. Is there even an argument for why it's bad? It makes as much sense as the "no tattoos" part of the Bible, but Reynolds seems to have no issues with committing that sin.

Exactly. Like, 90% of the 'Christians' nowadays pick and choose what in the bible they'd like to adhere to, and then vehemently stand for it. Regardless, the guy was tactless, and I think 'screaming 4 Jesus' is a dumb way of 'preaching'.. but as an agent of logic, I have to defend him in that he was correct on that part of the bible. But of course, i'm not allowed to say that.. P.S. Andcas you are like, so butthurt, man lol.

Being fully committed to your beliefs is not something to admire. That's a bullshit saying people spread to feel better about their wn idiocy. Being able to accept you're wrong is something to admire. It inspires grows, not fucking stagnAtion

"I have to defend him in that he was correct on that part of the bible"

being correct on something that is false?

"P.S. Andcas you are like, so butthurt, man lol"

no way, my couch is comfy.

I don't understand how Christians justify that homosexuality is a sin.

Homosexuals are largely discriminated against in western culture, to the point that some deny their
sexualities to themselves. They end up convincing themselves that they are heterosexuals and live
their lives to reflect that. When these people get fed up with living a lie they "come out," which is
usually an effective way of destroying the marriages and families that they spent years building.
Because of that, religious nutters will claim that gayness ruins families.

Also, I'm pretty sure it's a sin to be in a Christian metalcore group. God listens to Slayer, not
Demon Hunter.

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Well that's all relative, isn't it? I mean, even if you hate the bible with the intensity of 1,000 imploding dying suns; he is correct on believing that. Sure, it may not something you like, (so you attack it, lol), but his statement is correct as a Christian. Christians are supposed to live by and preach what's recorded in the bible, and his statement was in fact, backed by the bible, as tactlessly as he may have expressed it.

no way, my couch is comfy.

ba-dum tssssssss

Also, with the whole bible thing, it's not even nowadays. Christians have ALWAYS picked and chosen the bits they like/just plain made up other bits. Take for instance slavery and the belief that god made black men inferior. These were hardcore Christians believing that, despite the fact that it has no basis in anything.

the video's pretty real though

"fuck him as well. he only threw his guitarist under the bus to save his own ass. of course he's gonna apologize so he can still keep his fanbase and not be lumped with his bigoted friend."

user andcas here again to remind everyone why nobody likes him

"Christians are supposed to live by and preach what's recorded in the bible, and his statement was in fact,
backed by the bible, as tactlessly as he may have expressed it"

doesn't jesus say in the bible to love everyone? either way it was written by man and is full of shit.

"user andcas here again to remind everyone why nobody likes him"

all the users I care about on here like me but don't expect me to lose any sleep on those who don't.

I mean, at least this guy could've been honest. He doesn't like gays because they're total fags. It has nothing to do with Jesus.

Captain North.

Oh, totally. Hypocrisy's been around for quite some time. And people throughout time have just about weaponized faith itself as a means to getting people to do just about whatever they want them to. It's pathetic, and it's caused so much chaos over the years.. It's sad.

doesn't jesus say in the bible to love everyone? either way it was written by man and is full of s**t.

..Well that definitely wasn't a cop out. lol.

cop out was a horrible movie.

Never saw it. Sounds like one of those abysmal early 90's buddy movies where the cop has some sort of epiphany from his magical CB radio or something. Also donuts because fat people.

Fat people part is pretty accurate cos it's a Kevin Smith film

I saw him and jason mewes live. it was pretty hilarious and surprisingly insightful.

hm. das kool.

indeed it was.

Goddammit

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cop out was a horrible movie

Agreed.

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So many Christians believe so many fucking stupid things. Don't get me wrong, some of them are awesome people with no judgement that go out of their way to help others, I know people like that. People that think like this guy make Christianity look really shitty and they just need to stop.

Join us in the modern world, where we don't believe that every little thing that was written in a fucking ancient book is fact.

the guys in showbread are super christian but aren't douchebags like this band.

Recspecs, your avatar is a remake of another gif isn't it? Where is the original from and why is this a thing?

Also Showbread fucking rocks.

Who the fuck are you?

The vocalist seemed sincere in the response he made. It's apparent though, that he doesn't "agree" with homosexuality.

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I bet he dropped the bass when he left.

my girlfriend went to high school with the vocalist, apparently he was nothing like he is now and partied all the time

that's hilarious.

I'm glad I withheld judgement on the band as a whole before I said anything. I once had an hour long
conversation with the bassist of this band about surprisingly non religiously related subject matter
and he was a real swell dude on a person to person basis.

But as with everything, Mike Reynolds is a massive fucking cock.

If there is a God he'll direct AQAP to put this sicko down. Guy spews too much hate live to be left alone.

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Good news is good

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Wow he's a dick

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he's obviously in the closet.

dude makes christians (and christian metalcore bands) look terrible. way to rep your religion by
spreading hate. close minded fuck

also

double pedal jesus metal[2]

tim from underoath said some pretty ignorant shit back in the day about gay marriage which sucks because he's always been the nicest and my personal favorite member.

I saw this right after it happened.

guess we have a secret for today fan on our hands.

I guess I just don't get it. Does the bible actually even say anything condemning homosexuality? I mean the damn book has been translated so many times I doubt half the shit means what people think it means. Fuck people conforming to a consensus just because it's what every other ignorant christian believes

Overly devoted religious man says something insensitive

more at 11

Haha what a brainless tool.

"fuck him as well. he only threw his guitarist under the bus to save his own ass. of course he's gonna apologize so he can still keep his fanbase and not be lumped with his bigoted friend."

^ this.

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@Recspecs

Who am I? Who are you? Are you going to answer the question or are you too much of an asshole?

Funny he doesn't know anything about his own religion. I imagine they don't teach you in bible college that hundreds of people had their hand in writing the bible. It's a corrupt little book.

Anyways, respect to the vocalist for at least having the decency to keep his beliefs in check for the sake of his fans.

sounds like everyone loses

"Does the bible actually even say anything condemning homosexuality?"

Technically it does, BUT in the same part where it does, it also says that a ton of other sins are equally comparable. Such as having sex without the intent of bearing a child, and a few even more ridiculous ones. So to subscribe to such a belief would mean you'd have to be against other things besides homosexuality as well. And 99.9% of homophobes who use the bible as an excuse aren't

Guys a dick

People should stop taking offence to peoples crazy religious rants/ belief's. Ranting back at something so stupid from someone who is stupid is just as dumb.

"here's what suburban scum said.

http://suburbanscumnjhc.tumblr.com/post/40274697882/heres-our-point-black-white-yellow-purple "

haha love that band

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fuck him as well. he only threw his guitarist under the bus to save his own ass. of course he's gonna apologize so he can still keep his fanbase and not be lumped with his bigoted friend.


Let's look at the two possible scenarios here:

Guy doesn't come in to say that the band doesn't share the same beliefs; you hate on whole band.

Guy does; you hate on whole band.


Is it slightly possible that you're a bit of an obnoxious cunt and that the guy just wants to make sure people don't think he's ignorant and bigoted? I mean, if I were in that situation, I wouldn't sit back and let people make false accusations about me.

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what's depressing is I'm sure we all know of one or two Christian bands we like, yet their views, if ever expressed, probably aren't too far away from this shit

"Let's look at the two possible scenarios here:

Guy doesn't come in to say that the band doesn't share the same beliefs; you hate on whole band.

Guy does; you hate on whole band.


Is it slightly possible that you're a bit of an obnoxious cunt and that the guy just wants to make sure people don't think he's ignorant and bigoted? I mean, if I were in that situation, I wouldn't sit back and let people make false accusations about me."


Nailed it

I personally think that the vocalist probably feels the same way but is
too afraid to admit it for fear of what happened to his friend. you can't
tell me that this guy has been in the band all this time without anyone
knowing he's a homophobic piece of shit. obviously they didn't have a
problem with it until he went and painted a bulls eye on everyone else.

I'm glad we all still get upset over words on the Internet. Most of you are just waiting for someone to say something like this so you can puff your chests out. Chill out, motherfuckers.

we all must bear the gay cross user someguest

You're right, Ayatollah.

theyre a christian band, what the fuck do they expect? and the other band members are obviously lying about their position on the issue so that they can avoid controversy. what a bunch of compromising pussies.

bingo.

Well, they know all Christian metalcore fans are gay. We all know it.

Really, all the guy did was support his own book. I don't know how that would really make him a "bad" christian or "give christians a bad name". I'm not saying the dude even follows the book correctly himself, but would he be a "good" christian if he advocated things that the bible blatantly opposed?

He's a prick

"Really, all the guy did was support his own book"

he did way more than that by pushing his agenda.

He doesn't like Judas Priest, I guess

""Does the bible actually even say anything condemning homosexuality?"

Technically it does, BUT in the same part where it does, it also says that a ton of other sins are equally comparable. Such as having sex without the intent of bearing a child, and a few even more ridiculous ones. So to subscribe to such a belief would mean you'd have to be against other things besides homosexuality as well. And 99.9% of homophobes who use the bible as an excuse aren't"

Lest we forget wearing linen clothing and eating pork are sins as well.

And how many Christians eat bacon and wear t-shirts?

Religion is a device to moralize the stupid through fear and to give them a sense of control over life around them (by suggesting that faith in God can change events beyond your control, rather than simply having faith in humanity). If you have your own morality independent of a Godhead and you can adequately trust in others and yourself, then religion is of little worth.

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Lets also not forget, its ok to sell your children into slavery in the bible.

well yeah, only the naive, gullible, and/or stupid buy into it.

@Atomic amen brother

"theyre a christian band, what the fuck do they expect? and the other band members are obviously lying about their position on the issue so that they can avoid controversy. what a bunch of compromising pussies."

You can't avoid controversy when you're already neck deep in controversy.

A two thousand year old religion is just so controversial, isn't it?

This is why Christians today annoy me. I'm a Christian myself, I even go to Giglio's church and while I agree with everything Reynolds said, how he said it was way out of line. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. They should be able to voice their own opinions, but there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. He chose the wrong way to.

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"well yeah, only the naive, gullible, and/or stupid buy into it."

Do you mean religion in general or just the bible?

lol @ nononsense

my belief system is like a blend of christianity and taoism

christianity for my redemption, taoism for my reality

"They should be able to voice their own opinions, but there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it.
He chose the wrong way to."

so there's a right way to tell gay people that their sexuality is a sin against god and they're going to hell for
it unless they become straight?

"He chose the wrong way to."

ok, whats the right way to say it?

The stuff that Suburban Scum & Touche Amore said was pretty awesome/funny.

You can be a gay Christian. Just like you can be a alcoholic Christian, a lying Christian, a lusting Christian. Every Christian struggles with sin. Your not made perfect once you accept Christ. Only if you don't accept Him, then you go to hell.

you're pretty lucky to have discovered faith in the one and only true god when theirs been so many countless
other false deities throughout time...oh wait.

christian are too pure to feel sin

CHRIST4LIFE

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andcas, at least you consistently miss the point of religion.

"Only if you don't accept Him, then you go to hell."

so much for a loving, forgiving God

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feel free to share all the wonderful points of christianity.

Why are heaven and hell always brought up in these stupid discussions? Religion exists to try and make this life better. The talk of 'afterlife' will always be bullshit. If you're a Christian to avoid going to hell, then you're not smart enough to live.

"Religion exists to try and make this life better"

and yet all it does is fuck it up in every way lol.

And why is that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4

"I'd like to quote what the Bible said about homosexuality.

I'd like to, but the Bible never said anything about it."

"Technically it does, BUT in the same part where it does, it also says that a ton of other sins are equally comparable. Such as having sex without the intent of bearing a child, and a few even more ridiculous ones. So to subscribe to such a belief would mean you'd have to be against other things besides homosexuality as well. And 99.9% of homophobes who use the bible as an excuse aren't"

right yeah i think i saw a documentary on fags talking about that shit

p.s. i love fags

please go back to making your usual insensitive racist jokes someguest.

No. The problem here is people, not a religion. And that's how it's always been.

"Funny he doesn't know anything about his own religion. I imagine they don't teach you in bible college that hundreds of people had their hand in writing the bible. It's a corrupt little book."

Curious that they never mention how the different parts of the Bible were written by many different people in different centuries. And that there was a counsel that basically determined what should go in the standardized Catholic Bible and what shouldn't.

lol @ religion

If Jesus never died on the cross your point about God not being login would be valid. If He never died everyone would go to Hell. The fact that He died to save us in the first place makes Him a loving God. Now we have the opportunity to chose Him. But if you accept Him just to escape Hell you are missing the whole point of Christianity.

I can tell from most of these comments, not all, that y'all don't know half of what you are talking about.

"But if you accept Him just to escape Hell you are missing the whole point of Christianity."

I agree with this. But a helluvalot of christians do exactly that.

"If Jesus never died on the cross your point about God not being login would be valid. If He never died everyone would go to Hell. The fact that He died to save us in the first place makes Him a loving God. Now we have the opportunity to chose Him."

But seriously lol at this.

I wonder if the Bible was written now if you'd need a written contract to be 'saved from Hell'. Verbal agreements don't really hold much weight these days.

Tbh, arguing this is pointless because if you already denounce Christianity and aren't willing to have an opened mind about it, your never going to listen.

your religion is a lie and when you die nothing happens. grow up and join the rest of us in rational thought.

"Tbh, arguing this is pointless because if you already denounce Christianity and aren't willing to have an opened mind about it, your never going to listen."

you act like we never once believed or liked to believe in a God. I did.

but then I realized it makes no fucking sense.

"Christianity isn't a religion

It's a philosophy!!!!!!!"

omg

@ andcas We'll see whose laughing in the end I suppose.

It doesn't make sense, Cygnatti. But it's the idea of someone caring, of redemption, that people latch onto. It's human coping. I'd much rather have someone coping with ideas than drugs.

chipmunk why can't you have an open mind about a talking devil snake, david slaying a giant with a sling,
jonah living inside a whale, daniel standing among vicious lions, god commanding abraham to kill his son,
offering up daughters for rape to save angels, moses parting an entire sea with a staff, a burning bush that
talks, the ten commandments being delivered where no one could see, or noah living to be 950 years old?

JUNZ FOR BIBLE

BUNZ FOR JIBLE

NUBZ FOR ILBLE

cocksucking for jeebus

and junzzz

no NUBZ

ji(n)zzzz for jeebus

SCREAMS FOR PRAIZE THE LORD

"No. The problem here is people, not a religion. And that's how it's always been."

agreed, theres obviously something wrong with people if they believe in fairy tales as adults.

"@ andcas We'll see whose laughing in the end I suppose"

I don't think your zombie savior would appreciate this tone.

"OPEN YOUR MIND BEFORE YOUR MOUTH

JUN JUN JUNJUN JUN JUN"

- Motionless in White

dem junz of junzzz

andcas, you're passing just as much unwarranted judgement in this thread as this guitarist did in his comments. you obviously have a childish vendetta against christianity as a whole based on a select few shitty christians because every time something like this comes up you get super butthurt, make ridiculous accusations and just look like a pissy 12 year old. more than half of the comments in this thread are by you. chill.

You assume my tone was a negative one?
To each his own. Is that tone good enough for you?

@aubergine, why do you care when you don't even have a soul.

@auber just let him believe what he wants to believe. That's how this became a big deal anyway. People not letting the guitarist believe what he wants too.

resorting to a meme. classic andcas.

i'm just saying that you're being a hypocrite by getting all outraged by this guy's insensitive comments but then saying stupid things about the vocalist being a closet homosexual and how the whole band is hateful. you have no way of knowing any of that.

I wasn't aware there was an aubergine is a ginger meme.

since it bothers you I won't hate on homophobic assholes.

IF you think they are hateful just Becase they are a Christian band you don't understand Christianity

There is also no such thing as a homophob, I don't think anyone is scared of homosexuals.

Ha!! Homophobia is actually in the dictionary. Did not know that.

what the fuck

"IF you think they are hateful just Becase they are a Christian band you don't understand Christianity"

you're talking to someone that was routinely brainwashed at a private christian school from kindergarten to
junior high. I like plenty of christian bands and have plenty of christian friends. they just aren't hateful idiots.

I-phone autocorrect. I'll fix it.

Private Christian schools suck. They make their own agenda more often than not

yup. I loved being sent to the principles office anytime I asked a logical question.

god is gay

satan is the reall pussy addict, at leats he allows us to fuck whatever slut we want and enjoy our sins.

You sayin I'm a total moron? I don't agree with half the stuff the church says. The church for the most part twists the Bible and make their own agendas. I left my old church becuase the pastor made his own agenda and strayed from the path. I have a lot of gay friends. I don't condem them for it. I love them like I love my straight friends. Doesn't mean I have to agree with their choice.
Speaking of straying from the path, SFTP's new album is spectacular.

yeah it is. how do you feel about the wbc.

whoa what happened to this thread

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People really have to get over the fact that other people have different points of view, and it's not within our rights to not be offended. As long as no one actively hurts anyone physically, it's just an asshole spouting his rhetoric. I'm personally against gay marriage myself... and straight marriage, keep love away from the state and perform whatever mickey mouse ceremony you wish to, with whomever you wish as long as it's between consenting adults.

Just shut the fuck up Andcas, you just sound like and elitist fuck. It's like you honestly believe
only your opinions are fact and if people don't agree with you instantly go into defence mode.

welcome to sputnik.

wbc as in the world baseball classic? Well I think that Andy Pettite made a good decision to join the US team.

westboro baptist church lol.

Just kidding, being serious I think that the bikers coming to keep them away from the funeral was awesome. WBC is a bunch
of lunatics. Always have been, always will be.

Did I miss this thread?

nothing to miss.

"my belief system is like a blend of christianity and taoism

christianity for my redemption, taoism for my reality"

My belief system is don't be an asshole and take responsibility for your actions.

Not because God will judge you if you don't, but because it's the right thing to do.

this thread is embarrassing, except for the rare few posts from users who have a somewhat respectable intelligence.

most of you here are just trying something to bitch about, it's quite sad honestly. this turned into something bigger than it should and in the end, I still don't get what the big deal is about.

this guitarist has nothing against gay people. he called them sinners based on the context of his religion. that's right, his religion. gays are considered sinners in his religion. why the hell would any of you care who he labels sinners or not? he didn't advocate any sort of violence against them. worst yet, I can already see the majority of you are non-believers so his post shouldn't have even fazed any of you.

in all honesty, the only people who deserve to be offended at this post are gay christians because they themselves should be able to judge whether they are sinners within the realm of christianty.

"this guitarist has nothing against gay people."

uh...what?

did you not read?

"I love every member of the LGBT community and in no way want to simply isolate any individual group of people, but to remain true to the word of God that, ‘all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.’ I desire for them to know God AS I desire for all people to know God through Jesus Christ."

in the words of JrmyPrks "..Well that definitely wasn't a cop out. lol."

you're clearly missing the point, but that's okay, take solace in the fact that you're not alone

No one supposedly inspired by god actually condemns homosexuality in the Bible, as far as I know. Jesus never condemns it in the New Testament, and the only ones that do are his followers (who aren't divinely inspired themselves). The Book of Leviticus also wasn't divinely inspired, since it took >200 years to be completed by different groups and schools of thought.

oh god i don't even know what to think anymore

@innocent, he sounds like the loons in the westboro baptist church who say "oh no we don't hate fags, God
does, we're just spreading the word" and the only real issue I have at the moment is the few defending him.

@zaruyache none of it is divinely inspired.

Satan > God

What in the actual fuck happened to this thread. Any time religion gets brought up on an internet site it seems like 95% of peoples IQ's drop a thousand points.

@ zaruyache

One thing one must also remember with regard to the bible and homosexuality is that the dominant form of homosexuality in those times was pederasty something we don't even consider homosexuality these days but pedophilia or hebephilia.

Our thinking and culture has changed quite a bit since the various books of the bible were written and its odd how some try and make the parts of the bible that no longer apply to us in the 21st century fit.

As a christian I find the whole biblical inerrancy idea rather cancerous. And that's how you end up with the poor misguided guitarist of a christian metalcore band accidentally making a fool of himself on the Twitter.

thread is still going

yeah I one time read an article on the internet about homosexuality in the bible times so I wanted to show off my knowledge and such.

I wish I coulda got to thread earlier but I figured the news item was just about another guy leaving a metalcore band cuz I mean who wants to be in a metalcore band in 20 fucking 13, y'know? So I ignored it, y'know?

but anyways...

It's funny that for each "shall be put to death" passage, modern christians say something like "oh that's not what it meant" or "times change". But apparently the gay thing is set in stone

"your religion is a lie and when you die nothing happens. grow up and join the rest of us in rational thought."

"chipmunk why can't you have an open mind about a talking devil snake, david slaying a giant with a sling,
jonah living inside a whale, daniel standing among vicious lions, god commanding abraham to kill his son,
offering up daughters for rape to save angels, moses parting an entire sea with a staff, a burning bush that
talks, the ten commandments being delivered where no one could see, or noah living to be 950 years old?"


You're an idiot. It's like you actually think every Christian takes the word of the bible verbatim.

Lol who gives a shit what this guy thinks. He's in a subpar metalcore band.

FUCK EVERYONES GOD. YOUR ALL WORTHLESS...jk love uuuuuuuu



but seriously

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

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If he's quitting For Today, will he come back tomorrow? :3

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Considering that this article is kind of late I hope not.

What Rou did was hypocritical and disrespectful. He can disagree with Mike's views all he wants, that's great. His attack on Christianity and other organized religions was as hate-filled and ignorant as the other social media post. I, for one am a Christian who does take the Bible literally, and I am not afraid to say it, and I am not "uneducated". I would not want to tour with a band that has such hateful views if I were For Today.

Our thinking and culture has changed quite a bit since the various books of the bible were
written and its odd how some try and make the parts of the bible that no longer apply to us in the
21st century fit.

What I find more interesting still is how people today blatantly disregard all scripture outside of
the 27 books located in the Bible itself. The Bible's definition of "canonical" scripture cut out
many relevant (and religion-defining) pieces of text, all for the sake of focusing on one specific
aspect of the religion (Jebus), while ignoring many other equally valid points (like the whole
"people don't burn in hell forever" idea that comes from Peter's Revelation). So not only do people
ignore certain aspects of the Bible that do no match up with their own
philosophical/political/social ideals, but also whole texts from the religion itself. :-[

"I, for one am a Christian who does take the Bible literally, and I am not afraid to say it, and I am not 'uneducated'."

but you are 16. still young, but youre getting a little too old to be believing in fairy tales. youd better drop that soon and face reality before you become an adult.

"What Rou did was hypocritical and disrespectful. He can disagree with Mike's views all he wants, that's great. His attack on Christianity and other organized religions was as hate-filled and ignorant as the other social media post. I, for one am a Christian who does take the Bible literally, and I am not afraid to say it, and I am not "uneducated". I would not want to tour with a band that has such hateful views if I were For Today."

lol i'm christian too but i'm not a dumbass that thinks the world was made in 7 days. even the pope doesn't believe that.

Me too. CALVINIST JUNZ FOR JESUS.

"Mike Reynolds chose to share his outdated views"

Uh don't most people get loads of criticism for making biased posts?

I also wouldn't say the band members don't hold the same views, they just don't run everywhere spouting their beliefs. Its like those guys that stand on corners and yell about how everyone's going to hell. That never works. Its about treating people respectfully and changing their heart.

Geez everyone is so intolerant of this guys beliefs. It's shocking

Just think of the world through the mind of Shai Hulud and everything makes sense.

Mattie seems like a stand up guy, really. Makes me hate the band less.

"You're an idiot. It's like you actually think every Christian takes the
word of the bible verbatim."

well that's the problem with using the bible to justify your feelings
on what's right and wrong in the eyes of god. if everything can be
interpreted in a different way to suit one's argument and the silly
stories shouldn't even be taken at face value then it isn't a very
reliable source now is it?

i think a lot more of you should try praying more often, the realization that there's something higher than you is relieving in so many ways u no?

pray everyday to keep the gay away.

If he's quitting For Today, will he come back tomorrow? :3

/THREAD gj bloc

I had a feeling this was going to be a shit storm when I read the article.

Dam it bloc

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Dam it bloc, lol

"I, for one am a Christian who does take the Bible literally, and I am not afraid to say it, and I am not "uneducated"."

So you don't eat pork, don't wear linen, don't do anything on Sundays, and have never eaten a Fig Newton?

Also, as said above, if you legitimately think the universe as we know it was shaped in 7 days by some manner of creator flipping on the lights, pouring some water, adding trees, animals, and people, then you're quite undereducated.

"i think a lot more of you should try praying more often, the realization that there's something higher than you is relieving in so many ways u no?"

Quoth witchxrapist.

I don't know, really. I think there's a lot that's larger than us that we don't really know about. This planet, alone, has been alive much longer than we have and it's held many more creatures than are alive today. There are still parts of the universe that we've yet to see and aspects of our reality that we've yet to define.

We're too young as a species to speculate on things we can't experience when we're still trying to understand the things we do.

speaking of Kevin Smith's movies, this motherfucker needs to watch Dogma

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Jay: Guys like us just don't fall out of the fucking sky, you know.
[Rufus falls out of the sky]
Jay: Beautiful, naked, big-titted women just don't fall out of the sky, you know.

Thread is perfect. Don't pretend.

No such thing as a gay Christian

compleatly missed your comment andcas, i fucking love you man.

Good thing he made a point to mention this...(sarcasm). Honestly though, regardless of whether he cares, no one else does. For as big a deal as homosexuality was made into during the election cycle seems to have had....0, none, exactly no impact on....ANYTHING. Homosexuals make up less than 2% of the population. What they choose to do is not my concern. Trying to make it into a political issue was dumb.

To add, the need for the PC-parade that's going on is fucking annoying. I'm glad that I was at least taught to accept that other individuals are entitled their opinions. However stupid, fucked up or otherwise incorrect they are.

I don't give a shit about the band, but for everyone to smear the group over a members views? Fuck off lol, go live your lives and quit obsessing about what some "christian" nimrod thinks. Too much to do in life than worry about offending individuals or even defending them.

Run along kids.

Atomic Waste, I don't have to do these things because Jesus fulfilled these laws. We don't have to stay "ritually clean' because the blood of Jesus does that for us. Additionally, many of these laws were actually advice to the Israelites that kept them alive and far healthier than their neighbors. During the Middle Ages, Jews had a reputation for being witches because they got the plague far less than Christians, because of their good hygiene.

In a small way, I do agree with Matt Reynolds. One cannot be a gay christian anymore than I can be a black christian. Being a Christian (a follower of christ), should be your primary identity. Your identity should be primarily invested in Christ. When you put gay in front of that, you're saying that your homosexuality (or sin, depending on how you perceive it) is equal to your identity in Christ, and that's not right.

"One cannot be a gay christian anymore than I can be a black christian"

O_o

It was a bad analogy, yeah, but the point still stands. You shouldn't put any titles before or equal to your identity in Christ. I'm still black yeah, but my life shouldn't revolve around that

.wont et me go to second page