Rage Against the Paul Ryan
2012-08-19 by andcas | 533 Comments
The political activists in Rage Against the Machine have certainly had an interesting week as the upcoming 2012 presidential election gains momentum. In the wake of presidential hopeful Mitt Romney announcing his running mate, U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan, one outspoken member of RATM has a few words to share.

Tom Morello is by no means a stranger to standing up against right-wingers, but it's quite humorous given the ironic circumstances that sparked the guitarist to weigh in. It would appear that Paul Ryan is a heavy fan, which is about as confusing as if George W. Bush came out and admitted he routinely enjoys Anti-Flag.

So here's the lowdown on what Morello thinks about Ryan's misplaced adoration.

"Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage."

"I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!"

"Don't mistake me, I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta "rage" in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically the only thing he's not raging against is the privileged elite he's groveling in front of for campaign contributions."

It's safe to say no memorable RATM songs will be used in the political campaign.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816
Tagged: Rage Against the Machine

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Apollo
August 19th 2012
10336 Comments


badass m/

bloc
August 19th 2012
34919 Comments


PISTOL GRIP PUMP ON MY LAP AT ALL TIMES

JazzHands333
August 19th 2012
312 Comments


God, I love Tom Morello.

eternium
August 19th 2012
16338 Comments


And then the political discussion begins.

nash1311
August 19th 2012
1754 Comments


Honestly I think this is stupid. Why would you publicly lambaste a fan because he has different beliefs than you, even if he is a vice presidential candidate. Several things he said were completely ignorant. I mean freedom of speech, dude can do what we wants but still

nash1311
August 19th 2012
1754 Comments


"And then the political discussion begins."

Lol yeah this is gonna open a can of worms.

YankeeDudel
August 19th 2012
9313 Comments


"Why would you publicly lambaste a fan because he has different beliefs than you"

Because he feels like it

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nash1311
August 19th 2012
1754 Comments


That's what I'm saying Yankee I mean he's entitled to do whatever the hell he wants I just think this is stupid

Schizophrenik
August 19th 2012
842 Comments


"the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production"

hahaha what a tool

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"That's what I'm saying Yankee I mean he's entitled to do whatever the hell he wants I just think this is stupid"

What the hell are you talking about? Tom Morello isn't allowed to comment on what a VP nominee believes because he has the right to believe it?

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


1: I have very little love for Romney or Ryan (or, for that matter, Obama), but in my very humble opinion Morello comes off as a bit of a dick in this. This seems to be a common occurrence for RAtM.

2: Everyone is entitled to enjoy whatever music they want, even if the lyrics or the musicians disagree with them. I think that Varg is a total fuckwad, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy HLTO.

3: Disagreeing with someone's politics is one thing, but I don't think it's cool to decide that some opposing politician I've never interacted with is an objectively horrible human being (Ryan might be, of course, but neither I nor Morello have any way of knowing). It also seems like this goes beyond that: with this, Morello is not only slandering Ryan. He's casting a massive blanket over all Republicans. Now, I am not a Republican (I pick and choose issues from both sides), but I used to consider myself one, and in my entire life I have not met a single Republican that acts anything like Morello seems to think they act. While I may disagree with them, they are mostly genuinely good, caring individuals who just happen to have a different perception of right and wrong than I do.

4. Rolling Stone is, like, the worst fucking magazine ever to exist. If I wanted borderline-offensive caricatures of right wing politicians and information on the latest GOP-sponsored atrocity/conspiracy, I wouldn't be reading a God damned music magazine.


In conclusion: Tom Morello is a douche. Freedom of speech is great in that he's totally entitled to say this, but I still find him to be a douche.

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sixdegrees
August 20th 2012
17190 Comments


you can see where Tom is coming from. I mean Ryan, as a member of the Republican political establishment pretty much represents everything that the band are OPPOSED to in their music.

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nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


It isn't that he doesn't agree with him. It's the way he went about doing it. I'm not gonna get into a discussion like this on the internet cause it just isn't worth it but whatever

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


Ron Paul 2016

sixdegrees
August 20th 2012
17190 Comments


yea, this might get ugly.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


@Ignimbrite

Thank you. Exactly what I was trying to say. He's being smart ass prick. Instead he should have just said like oh? he likes my music? cool I'm still not voting for him

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


Um, Paul Ryan has actively wanted to ban birth control, abortion, privatize Social Security and Medicare, voted against the DREAM Act, voted for wars, voted against environmental regulations, and wants to further cut taxes on the rich.



How is Tom being a douche in any way? Everything he said is correct. Ryan stands for everything Rage was/is against.

Mickeymau5
August 20th 2012
1614 Comments


Yeah Rolling Stone is garbage

East Hastings
August 20th 2012
4391 Comments


andcas stop

nononsense
August 20th 2012
3409 Comments


NOBAMA 2012!!!!!!!

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!"

"Don't mistake me, I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta "rage" in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically the only thing he's not raging against is the privileged elite he's groveling in front of for campaign contributions."

This is him clearly being a tool. And I mean I don't know about anyone else but who believes exactly what any of these politicians believe? I don't. It's voting for the lesser of two evils these days

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


2012 presidential ballot

choice A shit candidate one

choice B shit candidate two

Let's get Ron Paul in the Presidency in 2016 people!

Spec
August 20th 2012
27188 Comments


That's pretty funny.

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


Obama is the lesser of the two evils by farrrr

Mickeymau5
August 20th 2012
1614 Comments


Yeah both candidates suck, I'd rather vote for Ron Paul but he's probably too old to run for nomination again

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"This is him clearly being a tool. And I mean I don't know about anyone else but who believes exactly what any of these politicians believe? I don't. It's voting for the lesser of two evils these days"

Again, Paul Ryan stands for EVERYTHING that Tom is against. I'm absolutely positive that he has issues with Obama too but not as many issues as he has with Romney/Ryan.

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


yes ron paul is the savior that america needs

shut the fuck up

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


he's the defender of the constitution

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
August 20th 2012
31355 Comments


It would appear that Paul Ryan is a heavy fan,


He likes fat chicks?

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nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I mean I see what you're saying eternium and I don't disagree. Again I just think he could have been more "professional" about it.

And yeah it is pretty lame because since I've been old enough to vote in elections all the candidates blow. I hardly even consider myself anything but a moderate these days because both candidates suck so hard. If I thought Ron Paul could win I would vote for him but he's just a swing vote

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


"How is Tom being a douche in any way? Everything he said is correct. Ryan stands for everything Rage was/is against."

Again, I have no problem with respectful disagreement. However, Morello is going far beyond that. Sure, the essentials of what he's saying about Ryan are true, yet the way he says them imply that Ryan is not only someone he disagrees with. Having a differing opinion is very different from effectively calling them a horrible person. If he had just done this...

Instead he should have just said like oh? he likes my music? cool I'm still not voting for him


...then I would have no problems with this. Instead, he's painting Ryan, and the Republican party in general, as Nazi baboons. This generalization upsets me more than anything else, mostly because of all the wonderful people I know who happen to hold views similar to Ryan's.

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


Ron Paul would run our economy into the ground and spit on it.

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk4ePdTi7q8

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"Instead, he's painting Ryan, and the Republican party in general, as Nazi baboons."

How is he painting them as Nazis? I already stated the facts that support Tom's case. If you think the Republicans being anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-environment, anti-poor, anti-gay, and pro-rich guy makes them sound like Nazis then they are Nazis because they are those things.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


You could argue Obama will do the same thing to the economy. Obama does some things that could be considered good to a degree and the same for Romney. But both are far from being good candidates. And they wonder why the new gen doesn't wanna vote.

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


pretty sure republicans aren't all those things lol. anti-woman? seriously? i'm pretty sure there are a ton of female republicans that would disagree with the notion that they are "anti-woman."

Mickeymau5
August 20th 2012
1614 Comments


@Storm In A Teacup

Thats an outstanding speech

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"You could argue Obama will do the same thing to the economy."

You could but you'd be wrong because then the economy would already be in the ground like it was when he came into office (because Bush did run it into the ground). Instead it's kind of tilting at a retarded angle.

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"anti-woman? seriously?"

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/19/712251/how-todd-akin-and-paul-ryan-partnered-to-redefine-rape/

Yes, I know it's a liberal slanted website but facts are facts.

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Nl2MfL-t0&feature=fvwp

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Republicans are not anti-woman. Republicans are also not opposed to immigration purely but namely illegal immigration. They are also not anti-environment or anti-poor. Democrats just take Republicans beliefs to the extremes. And I'm sure Republicans do the same to them.

Paul Ryan could be any number of these things, I wouldn't know. But not Republicans across the board

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


i haven't read that article, but in your last comment you were talking about republicans being painted as nazis because they are all of those things you listed. it sounded like you were talking about republicans in general, not just this one guy.

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


nash, then why do they support cutting and/or privatizing programs that the poor rely on? Why do they insist on giving tax cuts for the rich but leave the poor behind? Why do many of them want to get rid of the EPA? Why do they want to ban abortion in all cases (more and more of them want to) and even get rid of birth control? Everything they are doing in the name of small government (cutting welfare while preserving defense and tax cuts) and being pro-life (making abortion/birth control more difficult to get, cutting Planned Parenthood) disproportionally affect women.

Mickeymau5
August 20th 2012
1614 Comments


@ Storm

Thats why he's the only person I'd vote for, too bad he's not running

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


I Hate the 2 party system

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ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


That's not direct btw andcas

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


Sandra Fluke and other women like her that want their reproduction rights, we're going to call them sluts but we aren't anti-women.

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


None but the most ludicrous of Republicans are anti-woman. I've met maybe 2 in my entire life who fit that description.

Well... Anti-immigrant may be accurate, so you've got me there.

I'd say that the majority of Republicans that I know are not anti-environment. Many are fully supportive of combating global climate change, yet they simply place other issues (job creation is a common one) as higher priority than the environment or they have different ideas about what's good for it. Whether they're misinformed or not is another story, but they mostly mean well.

Republicans are not anti-poor. I have never met a single Republican who has any problem with the disenfranchised: in fact, the churchgoing evangelist Republicans I come into contact with most Sundays show more love for the homeless than anyone that I have ever met.

Anti-gay? Well, yeah... Many are indeed anti-gay. However, all but for the most hateful follow the "hate the sin, love the sinner" creed. I know that this doesn't make it much better in our eyes, but they do mean well (for the most part).

The pro-rich Republican idea is often true, unfortunately. However, I don't like the term "pro-rich" because it paints the rich as evil when used in this sense, when many well-off people I know are still really good people. This could be another case of being misinformed but well-meaning, as many I know follow things like trickle-down economics. Yeah, it doesn't actually work like they think it does, but the fact that they genuinely believe that it benefits everyone has to count for something.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Because I consider myself conservative more so than liberal (although I'm no where near extreme I'm very moderate) and I don't agree with half of what you said. So no, I don't think that is true for all Republicans. And tons of ignorant people vote for democrats if they are liberal and republican if they are conservative regardless of what the candidate stands for. Like I said, I don't agree with all of Romney's beliefs. Hell no. Obama either. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna vote. And it is gonna be for who I think sucks the least haha

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


just because in general republicans don't support as many government funded programs for the poor
doesn't mean that they are anti-poor, that's just political framing. you can't isolate one view,
remove all other factors and then make a wild accusation like that.

Sauce
August 20th 2012
701 Comments


I think we need to make distinctions between a party's politicians/leaders and its regular members.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


@ Ignimbrite

It is rare to see people these days on the internet who aren't narrow minded or ignorant so I salute you for being neither.

Youtellme
August 20th 2012
1351 Comments


"It's safe to say no memorable RATM songs will be used in the political campaign.
"

lol'd

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


What sauce says

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


The two Republicans running for office are some of the most ludicrous of Republicans and that is what matters. That is who they voted to represent their party (and they say Mitt Romney is a moderate!).

Neither will acknowledge climate change, neither are for gay marriage, both want to cut environmental regulations, both want to close out the border and kick out illegal immigrants that are here, both want to cut welfare for the poor/old, and both want to cut reproduction rights (abortion, birth control) for women. They won't raise the minimum wage but they want to cut taxes on the rich by at least 20%.

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


"all but for the most hateful follow the "hate the sinner, love the sin" creed."

i think you've got that backwards.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Sauce, we are obviously talking about its members now because nobody thinks these candidates are worth a damn. I agree we need to start a new party. But it needs to gain a shit ton of support before it could ever feasibly win an election.

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


This:

just because in general republicans don't support as many government funded programs for the poor
doesn't mean that they are anti-poor, that's just political framing. you can't isolate one view,
remove all other factors and then make a wild accusation like that.



and this:

I think we need to make distinctions between a party's politicians/leaders and its regular members.


nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Lol yeah he got it backwards aubergine. And like I said... I agree eternium I think the republican candidates suck because I don't agree with those things either

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"just because in general republicans don't support as many government funded programs for the poor doesn't mean that they are anti-poor, that's just political framing"

Oh okay, so if I don't feed my cat it just means I'm against feeding my cat, not that I'm anti-cat, even though my cat will probably die.

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


i think we need to get rid of the two-party system


BUT I THINK BIG

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


"Oh okay, so if I don't feed my cat it just means I'm against feeding my cat, not that I'm anti-cat, even though my cat will probably die."

lol r u dumb.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"Oh okay, so if I don't feed my cat it just means I'm against feeding my cat, not that I'm anti-cat, even though my cat will probably die."

Ok now that was just a fucking stupid thing to say.

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


My point is that their wanting to gut welfare programs would inevitably lead to poverty increasing and people dying.

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


most republicans don't want to completely cut welfare programs, they want stricter regulations so that the system is not abuses as frequently, which means less of our tax dollars wasted.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Eternium if you hated your cousin and she was a girl and you killed her does that make you an antifeminist? An anti-cousin? lol

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


Auber and Nash: 2
Eternium: 0

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"most republicans don't want to completely cut welfare programs, they want stricter regulations so that the system is not abuses as frequently, which means less of our tax dollars wasted."

Exactly. FFS. Most republican issues boil down to regulation. They want to regulate everything. Some cases it is a good thing imo, sometimes it is awful.

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments



most republicans don't want to completely cut welfare programs, they want stricter regulations so that the system is not abuses as frequently, which means less of our tax dollars wasted.


how do you know what "most republicans" what and don't want to do?
do you guys have like a weekly meeting to discuss this stuff?

if you guys choose representatives that make it a point to have views that are extreme to a certain degree, don't fucking chose those representatives because it definitely makes it seem like you all believe what they believe

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


Then why are they trying to cut food stamp funds?

Our welfare net is already one of the more conservative of any first world nation, thanks to the 1996 reforms.

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


and honestly, same goes for dems

i hate american politics now

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


Democrats aren't nearly as extreme as Republicans are.

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


Crap, whoops on the sinner/sin thing.

And come on, Eternium. The Republicans who are against government welfare programs are not against them because they hate the poor. "hurr durr I hate poor people fuck them all. hey guys let's vote against welfare programs because fuck the poor lol" - No one thinks this way. You are *drastically* oversimplifying this issue. They're against the programs not because they hate the poor, but because they think that they're ineffective money sinks (don't try and bring up the defense budget here on me because I also think our spending in that area is completely apeshit) and that there are better ways to help the poor.

Again, I say that the evangelical Republicans I've grown up around have more compassion and love for the poor than anyone I've ever met, and that includes pro-welfare Democrats (and likely you and me). If that doesn't defeat your "anti-welfare = anti-poor" argument, then I don't know what does.

Xenophanes
Emeritus
August 20th 2012
10611 Comments


Honestly don't see why Ron Paul keeps getting support itt.

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ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


Lol kris

Xenophanes
Emeritus
August 20th 2012
10611 Comments


"Democrats aren't nearly as extreme as Republicans are."

This is like the most general statement ever

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Like why do you think Romney is anti-immigration? Think he just is out to get Mexicans? no. It is because there are a shit ton of illegals here mooching off our system. Also I've read tons of gang related violence in So-Cal stems from mexican drug cartel.

Exhibit A: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/the-continuing-saga-of-ob_b_990291.html

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


Ignimbrite, they routinely attack those on welfare as lazy people who just need to get a job. They attack single mothers as sinners who should have kept their legs closed. If you haven't seen this then you are blind. I live in the South, don't try to tell me what Republicans do or don't believe because I talk to them every single day. I see the racism and sexism and homophobia that leaks into the legislation.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"Democrats aren't nearly as extreme as Republicans are."

Fucking lol and here comes the narrow mindedness

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


Because Xeno he was the best candidate out of everyone running

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


isnt ron paul a racist?
pretty sure the dude hates blacks with a seething passion

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


i don''t think he would be

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Eternium don't pull I live in the south bull shit. So do I. I've seen both sides of the extreme coin for sure. I mean I agree with Kris American politics suck so hard

Spec
August 20th 2012
27188 Comments



yes ron paul is the savior that america needs

shut the fuck up

Lol.

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


Giant Douche and Turd Sammich

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


ah here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGqAIkjGLMw

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


If Democrats are as extreme as Republicans are (and again I'm talking about the people elected to represent the parties in government) then prove it to me.

There's an entire coalition of conservative Democrats (called Blue Dogs). There isn't a coalition of liberal Republicans. The Tea Party is taking over the Republican Party via accusing extremely conservative Republicans of being liberals because they might think rape is a good reason to have an abortion (this is happening in my own district) and replacing them with a more radical representative.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"they routinely attack those on welfare as lazy people who just need to get a job."

Do you know how many people in the south really are actually lazy and DO need to get a job? That is why they wanna regulate it. Of course there are those that need it that is why they made the system. But if you dont see the people that abuse it then you too are blind

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters#Controversial_statements
(omg hes linkin wikipedia what a tool)

yeah he's definitely extremely homophobic and racist

"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." - rawn pall

"I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities." - cunt you're trying to put in office

"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day." - holy shit he actually said this

Spec
August 20th 2012
27188 Comments


Vote for the Rhinoceros party.

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


The people who need it vastly outnumber the lazy people that abuse it.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Oh so because we don't have an official group they don't exist?

Ignimbrite and aubergine.... We're unofficially starting the Red Cats.

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


sounds cool.

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ

Thats all you need to know right there.

It dont matter who wins.



ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


I do agree that our entire political system/ideals/practices and everything if fucked up though

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


Give me names then. Where is your Teddy Roosevelt or even Nelson Rockefeller?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


bill hicks is unfunny as fuck and please go die

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"The people who need it vastly outnumber the lazy people that abuse it."

So that means we let them? There are far more people abiding by the law of not killing each other than those that commit murder. Should we let them keep killing people?

FFS pull your head out of your ass.

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


I'm with Auber and Nash and ignimbrite

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


Nice Kris i like him even more

Mickeymau5
August 20th 2012
1614 Comments


Same

JackSparrow
August 20th 2012
1686 Comments


Gary Johnson 2012. But yeah I think Morello kinda sounds self-righteous but it's pretty funny that this happened, why would Paul Ryan even say that Rage is his favorite band? As if that matters. Also Obama is definitely a lesser of two evils, you've seen what his four years did and it didn't cause utter chaos. Who knows what the fuck Romney would do. Also it's annoying as shit when people blame Republicans for government disaster, democrats do their part in the disaster as well, they just don't come off as selfish when they do it

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


itt: everything that's wrong with a two party system and why i hate america

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"So that means we let them? There are far more people abiding by the law of not killing each other than those that commit murder."

It is extremely illegal to lie to the government. It is extremely illegal to kill people. What more do you want? It's still going to happen no matter what.

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


And I agree with kris too

Satellite
August 20th 2012
20822 Comments


i voted for kodos

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


Chuck your support means the world

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Oh I don't give a fuck if there are actual political leaders doing it, there are members of the republican party that I know outside myself that I have met that believe very moderately as a conservative. Near about everyone in politics as corrupt. It also pisses me the fuck off that Obama uses his being black as a campaign point. You know how fucked Romney would be if he said alright white people... let's band together. Majority or not that would be fucked up, and Obama is doing it with his minority

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


Shut the fuck up yankee

Slimjim367
August 20th 2012
512 Comments


lol at this

Mickeymau5
August 20th 2012
1614 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvWEKhGU6X4

JackSparrow
August 20th 2012
1686 Comments


I think a two party system is much better than pluralist systems in France and Germany where it is very easy for fascist or radical parties to gain power. Our system just needs a change or the one party to move back to the center and cut out the rhetoric

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


just saying something is EXTREMELY ILLEGAL doesn't actually prevent anyone from doing anything. there need to be regulations.

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


I agree with chuck

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"It also pisses me the fuck off that Obama uses his being black as a campaign point."

That's pretty racist. When has Obama used his race to gain votes? Do you assume that he's doing this somehow because most black people support him even though they are historically voted extremely Democratic since the '60s?

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


The point is you can still better regulate it, and if you think we're doing a fine job right now then you must be one of those lazy asses eating off food stamps lol. But seriously

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments



I would just like to see lobbying made illegal. That would be a step in the right direction for me

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


How can anybody be a dem or rep these days? They both are horrendous.

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


I'm not the one confusing differing ideas of what is and isn't effective with hatred. I'm not the one calling dissimilar cultural notions of right and wrong something akin to a deathwish for those one disagrees with. I'm not the one utterly, drastically oversimplifying and generalizing nearly half the country as objectively bad people because I disagree with them. I'm not the one who's blind.

Sure, racism, sexism, and homophobia do leak into the legislation, but this is, again, an issue of the leaders vs the population. And maybe in the South things are different (although I doubt they are to the extent you imply: there are jackasses and good people in every population), but even so, I have found absolutely none of what you say about Republicans to be true based on most of those I have met.

My biggest problem right now is that, with these generalizations, you are effectively slandering my parents, my best friends, my pastors, my relatives, my classmates, and countless other incredible people I've had the pleasure of meeting in my life. Contrary to what you think, my parents don't hate gays, my friends don't hate women, and my pastor doesn't hate the poor (did I mention how much love evangelicals I know have for the poor already?). These people show unconditional love for anyone and everyone they meet, and while it's kind of insulting that you so rigidly stick to your contrary (and utterly incorrect) generaliztions about them, I can't ever change your mind so I guess that's that.

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"just saying something is EXTREMELY ILLEGAL doesn't actually prevent anyone from doing anything. there need to be regulations."

There ARE regulations. You can't receive family assistance for more than five years, for instance. The law changes from state to state because state rights and whatnot. Some have work requirements, others say you can't get more money because you have six kids instead of five, etc.

JackSparrow
August 20th 2012
1686 Comments


Obama has never used race in his favor and it being in his favor has been a staple of the democratic party since the 1930s

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


Lets just cause anarchy and storm the gates

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


its not obamas fault that black people rally around him because they feel their people have finally achieved something in this country after being spat on for fucking centuries
saying he's using his skin color as a way to get votes just makes you sound racist as fuck

if the roles were reversed, you'd be voting for the white guy no matter what your political views were

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU

And if you give him the benefit of the doubt because of black history month then you need to go fuck yourself.

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


Good

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


well i'm glad you're not a politician then andcas.

Mickeymau5
August 20th 2012
1614 Comments


@nash


dat dislike bar lol

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


Ignimbrite, I acknowledge that there are good conservative people. I am friends with many of them. That doesn't change the fact that the group has very strong racist, sexist, anti-anything that isn't Christian aspects to it that plague our country. If that was not an issue then the biggest talk show hosts, news anchors, and politicians wouldn't be such people.

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


truest thing u ever said andy. all this predictable talking point bickering is funny cuz it dont even matter.

JackSparrow
August 20th 2012
1686 Comments


It's been too long since there was a challenger to the two party system. First it was the Repiblicans with Lincoln when they opposed slavery, then the populists who supported business regulation, then the progressives who promoted social reform. Since then it's been steady Dem-Repub debates and no one to bring the parties back to the center of the spectrum or influence change. The Republican Party has become waaaay more right than Dems are left, to the point where they aren't eveb a logical alternate choice

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woBC5b3Ti0M

Alot of black people just voted for Obama cuz hes black. Be real.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


No Kris that is bull shit. I would not vote for someone because of their color because we are all humans that is fucking ignorant.

Hell I'd probably vote for Condoleezza Rice if she ran

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


jello biafro 4 prez a change we can all agree on

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


"Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU"

He's not saying VOTE FOR ME CUZ IM BLACK LIKE YOU, he's saying I know the history of our people and you should vote for me if you share my values.

JackSparrow
August 20th 2012
1686 Comments


"Condoleeza do you get the fucking joke?"

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


"There ARE regulations. You can't receive family assistance for more than five years, for instance. The law changes from state to state because state rights and whatnot. Some have work requirements, others say you can't get more money because you have six kids instead of five, etc."

one of my friends gets foodstamps because he spends all of his money on retarded shit like japanese samurai sword replicas and expenisve guns that he never even uses. another one of my friend's sisters gets food stamp for god-knows-what-reason, she lives in the same house as the rest of her family who is definitely not poor, she just got into a fight with her parents and went to live with a friends family for a couple weeks and still gets foodstamps.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"President Obama Announces the 2012 Launch of African Americans for Obama"

It is from his fucking mouth. The first four seconds of the video. How could you miss it.

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments




of course a lot of black ppl voted for him cuz he's black. who cares?

pretty cool when the powers that be initiated the literacy rule to lessen the black vote.

pretty cool when the powers that be are NOW trying to initiate an ID rule to try and lessen the poor vote

we've been voting for white dudes for over 100 yrs and all of a sudden a non-white dude gets in there and fuckers feel
threatened and shit SMH

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


dunpeal

ma nigga

speakin dem truufs

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I'm not threatened I could give a fuck if he's black. I don't think he should use shit like http://www.barackobama.com/african-americans to get votes is what I'm saying.

Mickeymau5
August 20th 2012
1614 Comments


"One of my friends gets foodstamps because he spends all of his money on retarded shit like japanese samurai sword replicas and expenisve guns that he never even uses."

Fucking lol

Satellite
August 20th 2012
20822 Comments


well illiterates really shouldn't have a say in the democratic process.

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


The voter I.D. laws really is proof that they're trying to keep minorities from voting via passing regulations that disproportionally affect minorities. Weekend voting had a large black turnout so they get rid of weekend voting, for example. This happened in at least a dozen states.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Bottom line: American politics is complete garbage.

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


"Bottom line: American politics is complete garbage."

aka why im not voting this year because it doesnt fucking matter anymore

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


It never really mattered to begin with. Because electoral college puts the president in office. Plus if you live in an across the board liberal or conservative state it doesnt matter anyway. Swing state votes are pretty much all that matter.

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments



well illiterates really shouldn't have a say in the democratic process.



might as well say that irrational ppl shouldn't have a say in democratic process while we're at it





Satellite
August 20th 2012
20822 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGu4pbivkY

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Lol satty

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


dude fuck p diddy that commercial with him drinkin his shit and frank sinatra playinin the background makes me hate life

frankie's rollin in his grave

Satellite
August 20th 2012
20822 Comments


yeah but rationality isn't a measurable trait. and i mean if you can't read politics are the least of yr problems.

Aspenshadow
August 20th 2012
311 Comments


Wow Tom Morello's a fucking douchebag.

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


oh here we go again a paul ryan lover go back to your homosexual burnings you fuck

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


No he just legitimately was a douchebag as has been stated.

Aspenshadow
August 20th 2012
311 Comments


I didn't even know who Paul Ryan was before I saw this article, moron.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


LES JUS STORM THA CASTLE AMIRITE?

Spec
August 20th 2012
27188 Comments


paul ryan is the hero gotham city deserves

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


hey look people taking my bait

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments




sure it is. it's the standard of rationality that will probably never get agreed upon.

look i get what ur saying. I would love for everyone to be well educated. fact of the matter is that the literacy thing was
enacted when ppl knew damn well that black ppl were not gonna pass due to not being afforded the same educational
rights as everyone else


u don't have to be literate to hold beliefs. while it does grant u the ability to probably make a more informed decision.
that's not how this country was founded - to pick and choose who can vote so to manipulate the outcome

Aspenshadow
August 20th 2012
311 Comments


u r such a troll omg lol

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


i no lol u guys jus fell for it i m so good at makin u mad lololol

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


frankie's rollin in his grave (x2)

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Lol who the hell is butthurt?

Aspenshadow
August 20th 2012
311 Comments


u rly got me lmao

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


THE ONLY PEOPLE BUTT HURT ARE THE GAYS AMIRITE? REPUBLICANS MARCH

Aspenshadow
August 20th 2012
311 Comments


YEA POLITICS

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


O NO THE REPS ARE GATHERING

DEMOCRATIC, ASSEMMBLLEEEEEE

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


No but seriously why would you listen to politically inclined Tom Morello when you could listen to the Durst and Limp Bizkit minus some DJ Lethal????

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


GO COMMIES!

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Freddie D would be like Paul Ryan? Fuck that shit. Gold Cobra in this bitch.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Then gtfo Fluttertwat

Aspenshadow
August 20th 2012
311 Comments


GOLD TEAM RULES

Spec
August 20th 2012
27188 Comments


AND I KNOW THAT IT'S DARKEST BEFORE DAAAAWN

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


guys I'm chilling and listening to the song 24 by Switchfoot. it's really good, I think we should all hold hands and listen to Switchfoot. politics are stupid.

OH-OO-OHH, OH-OO-OHH, I AM THE SECOND MAN

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


Fuck, I had my iPod on shuffle and Nayeli by Time to Burn is now playing. I was kidding, let's fucking kill each other

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
August 20th 2012
31355 Comments


Roughly 200 comments when all that would have sufficed is "lol America'?

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


andcas when are the punks gonna do somethin already. its been 35 years. and no russia dont count.

NotSoFast
August 20th 2012
388 Comments


1) "neither are for gay marriage" Obama is the first to openly support gay marriage so that means no other president ever has, so this is not anything new.
2) All politics aside, RATM sucks. (Opinion alert.)
3) The presidency is a joke, the two party system is a joke, the only elections that even come close too not being a joke are for Governor, Senate, House, and all the other local elections. The presidency always attracts the worst of the worst. The two party system only fans the flames because then it turns into sports, two sides trying to rip each other to shreds and it solves nothing and doesn't help the US at all.



Emim
August 20th 2012
26646 Comments


3: Disagreeing with someone's politics is one thing, but I don't think it's cool to decide that some opposing politician I've never interacted with is an objectively horrible human being (Ryan might be, of course, but neither I nor Morello have any way of knowing). It also seems like this goes beyond that: with this, Morello is not only slandering Ryan. He's casting a massive blanket over all Republicans. Now, I am not a Republican (I pick and choose issues from both sides), but I used to consider myself one, and in my entire life I have not met a single Republican that acts anything like Morello seems to think they act. While I may disagree with them, they are mostly genuinely good, caring individuals who just happen to have a different perception of right and wrong than I do.


Well said, sir. Tom could have handled this much more diplomatically.

I don't agree with all RATM's lyrics either, but I still jam that shit all the time.

FUCKING COME AT ME, TOM

NotSoFast
August 20th 2012
388 Comments


edit: i think that's the thing with tom getting so hostile about this. he could have just said... hey, maybe our music will effect him in a positive way. But then again even when the news first dropped that he like Rage people who heard and knew about RATM pretty much saw this coming.

c0nf1n3d
August 20th 2012
286 Comments


Oldish news, but this is so awesome to read every time.

spillingmercury
August 20th 2012
877 Comments


heeeeee's the oneeee who likes aaaalll our pretty sooonnngs.

It was a dumb thing to say, but I think he probably thought that Paul Ryan was trying to get in good with the youngings by name dropping RATM so he got all defensive about it like "I'm totes not on the Republican train they are evil shut up"

Not sure why anyone would expect anything eloquent to come from the combined forces of Morello and Rolling Stone magazine though.

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


yeah ratm are all the rage with the "youngings."

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


QUIT BEING A BITCH !

QUIT CALLING THE POLICE !!

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


......

spillingmercury
August 20th 2012
877 Comments


Yes, I know I'm hip. I'm pretty sure Morello doesn't have a modest ego. I'm pretty sure he feels as though he's still relevant to something. That's why he found it necessary throw his two cents and thinks that Paul Ryan liking RATM is outraging.

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


"......"

Yeah that's right you sick bastard you hear what I'm saying.!

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


alrighty then.

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


Yeah kick back and listen to some Clubroot it's pretty awesome especially high.

Urinetrouble
August 20th 2012
5764 Comments


Ron Paul is the hero America Deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A libertarian knight.

Sauce
August 20th 2012
701 Comments


Meatloaf is fucking disgusting.

Urinetrouble
August 20th 2012
5764 Comments


I agree. It looks like processed mcdonalds meat with poorly cooked bacon across the top. Meatloaf himself is also a disgusting piece of shit with poor songwriting abilities. I use abilities because using "skills" would imply he has skill at something

Urinetrouble
August 20th 2012
5764 Comments


ferferferf

erandolph90
August 20th 2012
188 Comments


I wonder if Paul Ryan enjoys Converge.

UrAssIsMyHat
August 20th 2012
155 Comments


paul ryan is my hat

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


Could have sworn I saw this on reddit. a few days ago.

Anyways:
"Disagreeing with someone's politics is one thing...."
Some of the dumbest shit I've read, dude. Who cares how he is as a genuine person? My parents are genuinely good people, but I'll be damned if they weren't some of the most racist, bigoted people I've met. And I will fucking call them out on it.

Similarly, Paul Ryan is a politician. Do you understand what this means? It means his votes are open to public discretion. Morello can view how Ryan has voted pro-abortion and anti-contraceptives for example (some view this as anti-women, which is what he's getting at). He's voted against gay marriage (anti gays). He's voted against unions (Ryan might not see this as anti-poor but others definitely do). He's voted on tough measures to reduce illegal immigration (anti-immigrants, according to some). He's voted for ID for voting (anti-poor, anti-immigrants) "to prevent voter fraud." He wants to lower taxes for the rich (pro-elite, again arguably). I'm not saying I do or don't agree on most of these stances, but the point is there is definitely justification in what Morello's said.

The point is that this idea that you can't judge someone because you don't know him is bullshit. We know where his interests lie, and how you choose to view those are up to your discretion. But fuck you if you think he shouldn't speak out his beliefs.

(It's worth noting that Morello definitely used inflammatory language, but everyone does it on politics. Look at how much attention he's gotten to his message because of it.)

Sauce
August 20th 2012
701 Comments


I wonder if Paul Ryan enjoys violent colonoscopies.

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


hard to say really.

UrAssIsMyHat
August 20th 2012
155 Comments


paul ryan blows ayn rand's chode

Aids
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
23909 Comments


You guys are all retards :]

Digging: RATKING - So It Goes

UrAssIsMyHat
August 20th 2012
155 Comments


you lucky canadian

renegadestrings
August 20th 2012
1450 Comments


guys its cool because Limp Bizkit aren't breaking up

Owantjaaaa
August 20th 2012
3329 Comments


FIGHT THE POWER

Digging: Self Defense Family - Try Me

YouGotLucky
August 20th 2012
946 Comments


Rage are the machine. Signed to a major label, controlling their creativity and shit, they definitely don't mean what they say in their songs. It's a way to market the music to people who think they're political and fighting the system.

UrAssIsMyHat
August 20th 2012
155 Comments


What, they aren't even on a label

ShadowRemains
August 20th 2012
21042 Comments


god i'm glad i'm a canadian at this moment (i mean we have our own problems...but seriously)

Digging: Execration (NOR) - Morbid Dimensions

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


lol mericuh

DaisyHill
August 20th 2012
168 Comments


i can't believe this hasn't been said yet so i'll do it.
RANDY BLYTHE FOR PRESIDENT.

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


also zombie ron paul 2016

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


dayman, ahhhhahhhhhhhhhhh fighter of the night man

Ommushwo
August 20th 2012
112 Comments


I think we can stop now.

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


no

DoABarrelRoll
August 20th 2012
342 Comments


Rage Against the Machine used to be the shit

thumbcrusher
August 20th 2012
3596 Comments


oh you silly americans

henryChinaski
August 20th 2012
2790 Comments


Morello's statement rules!

Digging: Empires - Orphan

LifeAsAChipmunk
August 20th 2012
4854 Comments


Guys, this is like old news. Last week old, or something.

Yes, Tom is being a melodramatic dick. Yes, he has every right to do so, even if Paul Ryan is a big fan, because he completely disagrees with him.

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


"Roughly 200 comments when all that would have sufficed is "lol America'?"

lol that's what I was thinking

Digging: Burial (NL) - Relinquished Souls

MO
August 20th 2012
18859 Comments


"god i'm glad i'm a canadian at this moment (i mean we have our own problems...but seriously)"

this

but in all fairness even we're going back a few years in terms of bullshit laws getting passed

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


xtoxin you are dumb lol

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I honestly don't see how not supporting gay marriage makes you a complete anti-gay. Or wanting ID's to vote makes you anti-immigration. People can pile in here all they want to, I just wish they would do it legally and pay taxes, otherwise why should they get to vote on who is in office?

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"xtoxin you are dumb lol"

yeah that whole paragraph was pretty much like wtf and I figured it wasn't worth saying anything lol but I caved

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


also, let me just say that I love some Rage, and I usually disagree with republicans on a lot of issues (and also democrats sometimes), but Morello has always come off as a generalizing fartbag. IDK if anything he claims that this guy is for is true, but just reading his article you would have no idea. either way I'm pretty sure he's slandered/libeled his fair share of people due to his own generalizations.

MO
August 20th 2012
18859 Comments


generalizations are what people use for the most part since it requires the least amount of thinking and just and stirs up so many emotions

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


Yeah plus he said his parents are genuine yet they are racist and bigoted. Lol

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


what?! i can't be a good person and hate white folk?

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Lol at the people saying "Why are you surprised?"

We aren't surprised. We are saying this dude is a douche for saying what he said how he said (and doing it publicly).

So we blow up sputnik and talk about it

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


Yep and we talk politics and how they suck here in America

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


at least he's not as retarded as that dave mustaine guy

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


"generalizations are what people use for the most part since it requires the least amount of thinking and just and stirs up so many emotions"

exactly my point. also, it's not surprising that this is how Morello states his political opinions, as well as the rhetorical framework that Rage employs in it's music. I can't take him that seriously, even when he states his opinions it still just sounds like entertainment to me.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I guess even (arguably) bad publicity is publicity nonetheless. And RATM is pretty much a dead band these days so maybe he's trying to revitalize the fan base.

lol exactly, Chuck.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I mean shit candidates will give Repubs bad names just like Westboro Baptist Church gives Christians bad names. It is what it is

Captain North
August 20th 2012
6789 Comments


@Deviant. I dunno about NZ politics (insert sheep in parliament joke) but Australia is near as bad as this atm. I'm pretty ashamed.

But lol america, glad I don't live there

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Captain North, One thing I am starting to realize is that yeah, it is pretty bad everywhere these days. Everybody has issues we just don't hear about it all on the news

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


"I mean shit candidates will give Repubs bad names just like Westboro Baptist Church gives Christians bad names. It is what it is"

well yeah, but that doesn't make generalizations in lieu of informative arguments any less retarded

Captain North
August 20th 2012
6789 Comments


Depends which news you listened to. One things for sure, neither of us have it as bad as Congo. *shudder*

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I'm not arguing with you at all. I was just making a statement

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


lol

ok

agreed

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Yeah, I have a long commute to work so I listen to like a regional radio station for the news and it actually is pretty unbiased. But I only get local and national news. Rarely international if at all.

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


Shocker, Tom Morello, a well known Liberal, who boycotted the 2008 RNC Convention in Minneapolis, disagrees with Paul Ryan'n politics. What great news

Captain North
August 20th 2012
6789 Comments


That being said, I'm still glad I don't live in the US. Free healthcare is literally one of the best things ever.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


The reason people make generalistic statements is because when someone calls them out on being wrong they cover their ass by sayin it was a generality lol. Classic debating. You can always argue some truth to a general statement. Like when Mark Cuban went on ESPN and ripped Skip Bayless a new one by saying all you do is speak in generalities.

Lol awesome video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkVnlA9CJo

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


"all you do is speak in generalities"

haha

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


That video is incredible and I think Mark Cuban has a big mouth but I gained a lot of respect for him by going on the show and confronting them

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


I'll have to check it out later, I'm at work, no streaming content

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


That's a bummer. One site I can actually go to at work is youtube and I'm so thankful lol

renegadestrings
August 20th 2012
1450 Comments


because only a sith deals in absolutes

paxman
August 20th 2012
4084 Comments


1: I have very little love for Romney or Ryan (or, for that matter, Obama), but in my very humble opinion Morello comes off as a bit of a dick in this. This seems to be a common occurrence for RAtM.

2: Everyone is entitled to enjoy whatever music they want, even if the lyrics or the musicians disagree with them. I think that Varg is a total fuckwad, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy HLTO.

3: Disagreeing with someone's politics is one thing, but I don't think it's cool to decide that some opposing politician I've never interacted with is an objectively horrible human being (Ryan might be, of course, but neither I nor Morello have any way of knowing). It also seems like this goes beyond that: with this, Morello is not only slandering Ryan. He's casting a massive blanket over all Republicans. Now, I am not a Republican (I pick and choose issues from both sides), but I used to consider myself one, and in my entire life I have not met a single Republican that acts anything like Morello seems to think they act. While I may disagree with them, they are mostly genuinely good, caring individuals who just happen to have a different perception of right and wrong than I do.

4. Rolling Stone is, like, the worst fucking magazine ever to exist. If I wanted borderline-offensive caricatures of right wing politicians and information on the latest GOP-sponsored atrocity/conspiracy, I wouldn't be reading a God damned music magazine.

In conclusion: Tom Morello is a douche. Freedom of speech is great in that he's totally entitled to say this, but I still find him to be a douche. [2]

Activista anti-MTV
August 20th 2012
3146 Comments


Wow, you'd think Morello was running for office. I think Paul Ryan appreciates that Rage Against the Machine is art, and not intended to be battle cries for a political, social movement. If Tom Morello takes his art so seriously, then I don't know how it is that his band can embrace and condone violence, such as in the song "Bullet in the Head."

Another thing that bothers me about Mr. Morello's statements:

Not so long ago, Republican presidential candidates were condemning heavy music as "suggestive" of dangerous acts. Flash forward to the present, here we have a public figure not only granting Rage Against the Machine their artistic license, but also embracing the music as part of free speech.

What bothers me is that the only person who seems to suggest that Rage Against the Machine's music is "suggestive" is Mr. Morello himself. A lot of what Mr. Morello's music talks about is violence and aggression towards others...

alachlahol
August 20th 2012
7501 Comments


Democrats aren't nearly as extreme as Republicans are.


a bullshit generalization made by a jobless liberal stoner


OllieS
August 20th 2012
2033 Comments


'Honestly I think this is stupid. Why would you publicly lambaste a fan because he has different beliefs than you' - they're not just 'different beliefs', they're brutal beliefs which could end up fucking over tons of people...

alachlahol
August 20th 2012
7501 Comments


morello seems more to be stirring the pot than anything. even though it really doesnt matter, stupid people will consider paul ryan liking rage to be hypocritical, increasing negative public opinion toward him

Hospital
August 20th 2012
2061 Comments


This is funny


both candidates suck

alachlahol
August 20th 2012
7501 Comments


morello calling people out on being hypocritical doesnt hold a lot of weight with me. i know he supports charities now and then but for a guy who spouts off as much as he does id like to think hed pour more of his wealth into support of his 'beliefs'

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


@ OllieS

LOL yeah bro. Brootal beeleefs. Point still stands he is a douche.

newjunkaesthetic93
August 20th 2012
1871 Comments


Yeah I got a laugh out of this when I saw it last week. As usual sputnik's news feed is way behind.

Wizard
August 20th 2012
19505 Comments


lol America and your "Democracy".

Digging: Godflesh - A World Lit Only By Fire

cvlts
August 20th 2012
8967 Comments


a bullshit generalization made by a jobless liberal stoner

rofl

Ignimbrite
August 20th 2012
5381 Comments


But fuck you if you think he shouldn't speak out his beliefs.


Good Lord in heaven, I never said he shouldn't. And may I also point out that in every one of my tl;dr posts there was not a single instance of me saying anything like "fuck you" to someone. Keep it civil. Agree to disagree.

KSK1
August 20th 2012
4090 Comments


Fuck everything about politics. Tom Morello m/

Fieryfenderz
August 20th 2012
1459 Comments


This is fucking stupid. People aren't allowed to enjoy music with lyrics they don't necessarily agree with? I mean I think there are quite a few people who listen to Slipknot who don't wanna "slit your throat and fuck the wound". Let alone the fact that most Manson fans aren't off worshipping a worm like antichrist creature daily.

This was just Tom Morello being a dick.
I can't stand Romney or Ryan, but this is just silly and a childish slapping contest.

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


agreed Morello's a buffoon

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


lmao didn't see that, wow

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


NAOTY

Digging: We Were Promised Jetpacks - Unravelling

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


^ New avatar somehow tops the old one.

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


well they don't look like they are 15 so that's a plus

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


one bullet to the head
now you know he dead
dadadadadadadadadada
doodoodoodoodoodoodoo
deedeedeedeedeedeedee

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


sick bassline bro

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


This Paul Ryan fellow sure does seem like reality's version of the Office's Gaybe.

SadAndHolyGlow
August 20th 2012
1522 Comments


Grow up, Morello. He should be honored or at least should be able to laugh at the fact that such a staunchly conservative person enjoys their music. Everything with Rage has to be political. Grow up, lighten up... I that there are issues that they feel strongly about and they want to share their opinion whenever they get the chance, but you could set that bias aside for one second to appreciate a fan. Rage was made with the intent of sharing their politics, but still. C'mon Morello. That's really not necessary.

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


@sadandholyglow: You're the idiot who needs to grow up.

Captain North
August 20th 2012
6789 Comments


I really don't get why people think he's being a dick. He's spent his whole life HATING the sort of ideals that guy holds. If someone who stood for everything I stood against turned out to be a fan of the art I made in order to incite people against someone like him...I'd tell him to get fucked too.

It's beyond a "freedom of religion" type thing. He's a person in a powerful position, able to seriously impact America (and the world). You don't go "yeah, I respect your position" to that. The whole point is you think it's morally, ethically, humanely WRONG.

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


the point is that, based on what he said, he's (Morello) making character judgements on the guy without backing them up with any kinds of facts. maybe they're true, maybe not, maybe no one knows. everything you said that's supposedly "wrong with this guy" is an assumption that he is wanting you to jump to from his article without proof.


Captain North
August 20th 2012
6789 Comments


He's not a fucking academical writer. I dunno, it felt like it was kind of assumed you already knew about him.

evilford
August 20th 2012
22813 Comments


did you? (talking about Paul Ryan right?)

chesse13
August 20th 2012
3723 Comments


Good Lord in heaven

okay now he's even worse than MittRyan

Digging: -

Inveigh
August 20th 2012
25025 Comments


I know I'm bringing up something from the first page (lol how did this blow up so quickly), but to those who think Republicans are anti-poor, I would ask this...

would you be in favor of drug testing being a requirement to receive welfare-related aid?

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


i would be in favor of it, and i smoke a lot of weed and some psychadelics rarely

Inveigh
August 20th 2012
25025 Comments


yea I mean I've voted Dem in the two presidential elections I was old enough for, and I am no stranger to the Devil's Lettuce, but I definitely think drug testing should be a requirement.

a lot of Dems/liberals don't think so though, so I wanted to inquire as to how the Sputnik-left felt about the issue...

YankeeDudel
August 20th 2012
9313 Comments


Just wanted to say one more time I love Tom Morello

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


i don't know if i consider myself sputnik-left as i agree with views from multiple sides. i don't really see the logic for opposition of drug testing for wellfare. The whole point of welfare is to supplement a person/family's income while work is being sought out right? Considering a vast majority of jobs drug test now, it seems like a reasonable measure in controlling welfare payouts.

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


"Grow up, Morello. He should be honored or at least should be able to laugh at the fact that such a staunchly conservative person enjoys their music. Everything with Rage has to be political. Grow up, lighten up... I that there are issues that they feel strongly about and they want to share their opinion whenever they get the chance, but you could set that bias aside for one second to appreciate a fan. Rage was made with the intent of sharing their politics, but still. C'mon Morello. That's really not necessary."


Grow up and grow up to write and something more legible than.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Well I think you could make similar arguments about people who smoke and receiving government funded healthcare. Considering there is irrefutable evidence that smoking can cause cancer why should the government pay for a smoking related illness? When it was your choice to smoke? I mean we can why and what if all day

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


"I really don't get why people think he's being a dick. He's spent his whole life HATING the sort of ideals that guy holds. If someone who stood for everything I stood against turned out to be a fan of the art I made in order to incite people against someone like him...I'd tell him to get fucked too.

It's beyond a "freedom of religion" type thing. He's a person in a powerful position, able to seriously impact America (and the world). You don't go "yeah, I respect your position" to that. The whole point is you think it's morally, ethically, humanely WRONG."

...and maybe he doesn't want some right wing jerkwater prick using his music to make him appear cooler to the fence sitters. There is a lot for him to be offended by here.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


You can be offended and not make a public douche bag statement. All he did was stoop to a low level. That's the point that is being reiterated here.

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


I disagree, I feel he nipped the BS in the bud.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


What BS was there to nip? It is just one dude's beliefs. Many conservative catholics agree with his beliefs so that makes them all bull shitters? The first paragraph quoted is perfectly sufficient but then he goes on to be a sarcastic dick.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


And as has been stated his whole he's anti- this this and this is greatly overexaggerating how he actually is. There is no denying he's hardcore conservative but still

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


wait, i'm not sure what point you were trying to get across. are you saying you DO believe that people should get free healthcare even while smoking and causing their own illness? cause i agree with all your hypotheticals

Inveigh
August 20th 2012
25025 Comments


I kind of see both sides, and they can both say what they want. With regards to this specific event/issue, we're just talking about words, right? I mean, I get that it's stupid for Ryan say something like "I like RATM's sound, but not their lyrics." That's like saying I dig the Bible because of the storytelling, but don't like the message. I read the Bible just because I enjoy tales of life a couple thousand years ago."

at the same time, Ryan can listen to and say whatever he wants, I doubt he gives a shit if Tom Morello is ok with it or not.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


No I don't think they should. Just like people should get drug tested to be eligible for welfare. Why should somebody be treated with tax payer money for something they did to themselves?

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


werd indeed. i'd guess a typical response to that on the internet would be something along the lines of "i pay taxes, so i paid for my healthcare".

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


The idea of social healthcare is that all people no matter what their situation deserve to receive the best care available no matter how dumb they may or may not be. You can't pick and choose. If you have a problem with it then you are probably against it. Cigarettes are legal, those people have done nothing wrong.

I personally don't think someone who has worked their entire life should have to choose between financial ruin or not getting appendages reattached. particularly when the technology is clearly there to keep that person a healthy productive member of society.

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


"What BS was there to nip?"
Feel free to use your scroll wheel. It isn't that far. ;^)

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Which they are perfectly at justice to do.... except that some don't pay taxes at all. And if you are going to make that argument then we could say ok... why even have government subsidized healthcare if you're gonna conclude "I paid for it myself" anyway via taxes. That way before they give you coverage they should check and see if you paid your taxes and how much you've paid. Which is just stupid.

It's the same issue with public school. Parents who send kids to private school (albeit by choice) are also in theory paying for other people's kids to go to school too via taxes. But at least school > healthcare for someone being a moron. But I would be ok with government healthcare paying for someone's rehab to get off of drugs and or smoking for sure. Just not an illness related to their activity. Should the government pay more for NFL athletes who beat their brains out daily? No

tl;dr I know sorry

Inveigh
August 20th 2012
25025 Comments


yea I definitely wasn't trying to imply that I'm against socialized healthcare...


but I'm definitely in favor of testing for illegal drugs as a requirement for welfare.

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


turntable.fm/mangasm

Get in here you chodes

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Omni that's the problem with it though. It has been studied and proven that the government spends millions and millions of Medicare Medicaid money on treatments and life support for people that simply won't get better. Period. I mean I'll be the first to agree that there is no perfect system because not everyone will ever agree, but there has to be limits. Should medical insurance be available to all regardless of their current health situation? absolutely. But we're in so much fucking debt as it is WITHOUT government subsidized healthcare. It is just gonna get worse. Either debt gets worse or taxes do.

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


"turntable.fm/mangasm

Get in here you chodes"

I'm in... your avatar convinced me.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


And as for Paul Ryan's motives for saying I like RATM you don't know them so don't say he's BSing. He could simply be stating I like this music. He could also be saying I'm openminded (whether that's true or not). I mean I listen to tons of stuff where the lyrics are directly in conflict with my beliefs. Doesn't mean I hate the vocalist

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Sorry Rec, the computer I'm on won't let me

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


I have two points for you nash... well not for you specifically but in general. I make more than most people on this site simply by virtue of being older and having been in the work force longer. I would gladly pay a much higher percentage of my income to assure both your and my future as happy healthy Americans.

Also... no matter what you think about "Obamacare" I don't even care if it fails because something needed to happen. Continuing on the same failing track just means you will fail eventually. In my mind doing nothing is a much larger crime than trying something... even if it's not perfect. If it fails wand we go back to the old system but improvements are made then I will consider it a job well done.

Kosko
August 20th 2012
107 Comments


They've tried drug testing in Florida and it just ended up costing the state a whole bunch of money with no results. I'd rather put that money towards something useful.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I completely agree with you. Something needs to be done. I think Obamacare has many upsides. They just need to fix some things first

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Also I think many Republicans are opposed to being taxed more for others' healthcare is because I know many republicans are Christians and they give money freely to the church and to other charities to help aid people's health. But then if you turn around and make it a law that they have to give more for it then they are gettin doubled up ya know? I mean it's an endless circle for sure

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


Well if they go by the arbitrary percentage that churches recommend you put in the plate then they will have to give a lot less considering the net income will be so much lower. =^D

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


"Sorry Rec, the computer I'm on won't let me"

Use google chrome.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Haha ok ok. Between this and your avatar I'm exhausted.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I'm at work and it won't let me. Not a browser problem

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


"Also I think many Republicans are opposed to being taxed more for others' healthcare is because I know many republicans are Christians and they give money freely to the church and to other charities to help aid people's health. But then if you turn around and make it a law that they have to give more for it then they are gettin doubled up ya know? I mean it's an endless circle for sure"

Money on a plate is not going to help people who get cancer and shit and need actual healthcare

jdennis31
August 20th 2012
6511 Comments


yea too long for now nash, leaving work, will read later; but just wanted to make clear that i agree with you, was just putting out a typical msn argument response.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Oh because you know how every church in America is run? No. You don't. And secondly did you miss and to other charities? Lurn ta reed Roburt

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


I like turtles

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I have a perfect retort for that but seeing as how what it is could actually be true and then be super offensive I will refrain lol

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


Nah I don't get offended don't worry, I already said something offensive so we'll be even

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I'm still not gonna have this conversation with you because in general you take things beyond debates into personal territory so I'll pass. (and it is because you don't get offended so you assume others don't either)

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


Trebor17: This Time It's Personal

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Lol and you also never fail at being retarded to the point of amazing humor

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


You do get that I'm like doing a thing all the time right
And how the hell can I get personal with people I don't even know irl

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


"Money on a plate is not going to help people who get cancer and shit and need actual healthcare"

That's not entirely true but if they aren't a member of said church then any help would be extremely limited.

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


"Fuck churches, how is charity going to help people that need healthcare"

You do realize the Catholic Church funds and runs nearly 40% of the US's hospitals right?

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


sources or get the fuck out


nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Because when you come in and say stuff unwarranted like "Fuck churches" you step on toes. And I realize for internet talk that isn't even really a big deal but for some that is offensive. And what if you were provoked and then went further than saying stuff like that? It could get out of hand (e.g. the Chick-fil-A thread that day that got deleted - not saying that was your fault just an example of things getting out of hand)

I'm just making points because I generally like civil debates and getting to know both sides of the equation instead of being narrow minded

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


sources or get the fuck out [2]

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


"You do realize the Catholic Church funds and runs nearly 40% of the US's hospitals right?"

I bet you think they do this because it's the right thing to do too.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


@JWT155

That's why I'm trying not to argue with Trebor because he doesn't always know what he is talking about lol

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


ok I'm sorry about the f churches thing I'll edit it out, I haven't had lunch yet and I'm quite grumpy you must understand

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


My bad, only 12.6%, http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/03/01/Obama-Risks-$100-Billion-if-
Catholic-Hospitals-Close.aspx

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Health_Association_of_the_United_States

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Not 40% but here was a site I found just off a simple google search:

http://www.nativeshop.org/news/iwrw/105-updates/735-catholic-church.html

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


What can I say, everyone likes to exaggerate

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"ok I'm sorry about the f churches thing I'll edit it out, I haven't had lunch yet and I'm quite grumpy you must understand"

Shit bro why didn't you say so I'd be talking about rolling heads if I hadn't eaten yet

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


fuck yall

Digging: Exodus - Blood In, Blood Out

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


Only if we use protection, gotta play it safe

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


lol it says that catholic health care group supports obama's health care stuff and the catholic church got mad at them cuz abortions or something

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


KILL is here time to stop being serious

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


nash is here time to not act homophobic!

ZKG777
August 20th 2012
171 Comments


Oh my God, you people are giving me such a rediculous headache.
Things learned from this thread,
-Tom is an idiot.
-All you true blue democrats are idiots.
-All you right wing republicans are idiots.
-NEVER EVER BRING UP POLITICS ON SPUTNIKMUSIC!!!

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I need 2k comments just for kicks and I wanna see a news article on Sput hit 3 pages. So we can talk about making paper mache elephants and listening to RATM while we vote for Ron Paul idc

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


*whisper

Just give him some junz and he'll go away.

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


im voting for ron paul!

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


"Oh my God, you people are giving me such a rediculous headache.
Things learned from this thread,
-Tom is an idiot.
-All you true blue democrats are idiots.
-All you right wing republicans are idiots.
-NEVER EVER BRING UP POLITICS ON SPUTNIKMUSIC!!!"



Nice, now got write an essay about it and get back to us when you are done.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Why are you reading if it is giving you a headache? Go elsewhere. That headache could turn into a migraine and we all know healthcare aint free.

And KILL I most certainly am not homophobic lol I have gay friends (inb4 oh I bet you do fag)

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


*Facepalm*

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


America needs to evolve into an anarchist communist paradise like right now

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


also what even is this thread

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


we need socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111121

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


Anyone who is naive enough to believe that one political party, ideology or candidate is better on every issue and stance then another is just that, naive. Period.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"Oh my God, you people are giving me such a rediculous headache."

"you people are giving me such a rediculous headache"

"such a rediculous headache"

"rediculous"

It's ok.... we are the idiots.

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


no kill socialism sucks balls we need true communism

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Hell. yes. Trolls are out, let's get this thread off topic.

ZKG777
August 20th 2012
171 Comments


My mistake. I was typing fast. But my point still stands.

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


Damn commie bastards

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


communism worked so well for france didnt it wow idoit

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


kill true communism has never even been in place anywhere. just faux communism with shitty dictators that wanted everything

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhmMQozfSBY

WeepingBanana
August 20th 2012
10186 Comments


boy am i glad this thread isn't in "my discussions"

wait fuck.

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


We need hybrids

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


Hahahaha this thread

skoopy48
August 20th 2012
1534 Comments


jesus christ almost 400 comments

keep it going guys, lets see if we can take this shitty political arguement to 1k

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


did anyone notice how gay the news headline is whats up with that? oh right andcas nvm

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


WeepingBanana.

Ah the irony.

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


if hans was still here we'd get 1k easy


THEY WANT OUR GUNS

SwayzeFaced
August 20th 2012
349 Comments


Rage needs to reunite. For the good of America.

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


Hi, I'm RosaParks and I listen to teh punkbadnz so I know everything aboooot communism brah

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Lol andcas hate. Let's roll

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


THEY TOOK OUR JOBS

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


TEY TOOK ER JOBZ

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Truffle Shuffle.

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


JERK ALERT

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


THEY BROKE HIS JAW

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


jwt i probably know more about communism than you, unless you took political science classes in
college. I haven't gotten that far yet. either way i dont care bye

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


I'm a poly sci minor and I've taken 2 Marx classes, one on Marx writings and the other on those influenced by Marx, so I know a little on the subject but I'm no expert

Storm In A Teacup
August 20th 2012
13149 Comments


i like turtles (2)

oh and no one cares rosa

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I CARE ROSA

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


well fuck nvm than jwt :o(
i only read essays and shit online. ive yet to read the actual manifesto. Gotta borrow it from my
friend soon

MO
August 20th 2012
18859 Comments


"jwt i probably know more about communism than you, unless you took political science classes in
college."

takes poli sci courses

expert status

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


Books I read last semester if you're interested, all good reads though Marx's writings are very dry


Tucker (editor), Marx-Engels Reader (excerpts)
Marx, Karl. Capital Vol. 1
Gottlieb, Anthology of Western Marxism
Bernstein, Eduard. Preconditions of Socialism
James, C.L.R. Black Jacobins


RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


nice. thanks. gotta check those out

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


Cute job picking which txts I posted to repost MetallicOpeth, you'd be a great ad writer taking people out of context

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


We've reached page 3 status. Time to pull out fellas

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


I'm about to go shower and play forza all night so

JWT155
August 20th 2012
9297 Comments


Bernstein was my fav because he disagrees with purist Marxist in that a final revolution would occur.
He favored more diplomatic approaches (Revisionism) in using parliamentary systems/democracy to ease
access into producing over all change and socialism, which many contemporary socialists viewed as
heresy. Early Engels writings are great and the Black Jacobins explains the Hatian revolution from a
socialistic vantage point which is intriguing.

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


forza what a noob play iracing punk!

WeepingBanana
August 20th 2012
10186 Comments


nash you're being pretty dumb today

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


Yeah what a cunt come turntable with us Christian

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


Sometimes you need fewer books and a little more common sense.









Sometimes

WeepingBanana
August 20th 2012
10186 Comments


agreed Common Sense by Thomas Paine is great

omnipanzer
August 20th 2012
21621 Comments


Gonna hump you WB.



Just letting you know so you can't cry rape.

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


Weeping get on turntable now.

KILL
August 20th 2012
71957 Comments


turntable is gay its all about plug.dj

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"nash you're being pretty dumb today"

Oh my bad bro lemme turn it down a notch.

"Yeah what a cunt come turntable with us Christian"

I would.... but I cunt.

WeepingBanana
August 20th 2012
10186 Comments


he's talking to me

and i can't, i'm at work

Recspecs
August 20th 2012
9829 Comments


turntable.fm/mangasm

use a proxy you cuntflap

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


He said it to me first. Unless you're the Christian he was speaking to

WeepingBanana
August 20th 2012
10186 Comments


i'm the only Christian in Luke's life

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Oh. Well he still said it to me first. Please see page 2.

Cool to meet a fellow Christian though m/

joesmoe4000
August 20th 2012
371 Comments


fuck that conservative lifestyle!

Digging: Cozz - Cozz & Effect

ShadowRemains
August 20th 2012
21042 Comments


i'd swear the nazis came back in this thread or some shit

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"I honestly don't see how not supporting gay marriage makes you a complete anti-gay. Or wanting ID's to vote makes you anti-immigration. People can pile in here all they want to, I just wish they would do it legally and pay taxes, otherwise why should they get to vote on who is in office?"

You don't? You don't think denying them the right to marry is anti-gay? Ignoring your straw man of "complete" anti-gay (I never said that) that position is anti-gay for sure, especially when you consider marriage has its own legal benefits. To not support gay marriage (or some form of legal union that allows them these rights, even if it's not "marriage") is to deny them these rights.

Also, I would agree with the premise of the ID-voting if there were legitimate levels of fraud which IDs would prevent (there aren't really). In this case, I don't personally think ID-voting is anti-immigrant (it has to do with IDs being hard for poor people, e.g., many immigrant minorities to get), but I understand why some people feel that way, just like how I can believe people sincerely think ID-voting is good.


nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I didn't say anything about denying them anything. I just said you don't have to support it. If gays wanna get married that is fine but you don't have to actually come out and endorse it.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


It isn't worth reading sonic and I've read it all

sixdegrees
August 20th 2012
17190 Comments


3 pages and still going strong. Good work, guys.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


xtoxin smartest guy in here

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"I didn't say anything about denying them anything. I just said you don't have to support it. If gays wanna get married that is fine but you don't have to actually come out and endorse it."

So why would that even be relevant when the issue at hand is that Paul Ryan actively wants to deny them these rights?
If you want to be part of the group Edmund Burke tells you not to be, that's your choice, but it's not like Ryan falls into this group, which was the point.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


And also, this whole gay thing you're stabbing at goes hand in hand with abortion. Some people think it is morally wrong so they choose not to support it. It's freedom of religion vs. freedom of choice at it's roots. I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't share those religious beliefs to understand. Just like I don't understand why some Hindus don't eat cattle. It is just how it is. I realize some repubs are like full blown anti-gay, but they aren't all. Just to some being gay is in opposition to their beliefs because it is sexually perverse and so they aren't gonna support it. Doesn't mean they hate gays is what I'm trying to convey

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Because we are 400+ comments in dude. We quit talking about Paul Ryan specifically a long time ago lol

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


yeah but saying the whole country should suffer because of your religious beliefs is pretty fucking selfish and retarded
Just because you don't like gay marriage or abortion doesn't mean it should be illegal
I don't like twix bars but I think other people should be able to enjoy them
It all comes back to the constitution ya know like duh, your personal beliefs don't mean shit compared to the constitution


Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


"Some people think it is morally wrong so they choose not to support it."

There's a huge difference between not supporting something and actively trying to make it illegal for everyone else just because you don't like it

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I completely agree Treb. Which is why I don't understand why you are jumping down my throat lol. That's what I already said. If they wanna get married then go ahead, fuck if I care. But I'm saying they (republicans) dont have to endorse it. Which is how some republicans feel. Some are anti-gay, some are not. As has been stated, who agrees with all of what one politician thinks? I sure as hell don't

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"Because we are 400+ comments in dude. We quit talking about Paul Ryan specifically a long time ago lol"
Except that your post was a response to my post which was a response to your post which was about Paul Ryan. You can't just change the topic like that; arguments don't work that way.

"Some people..."

No one minds that Christians are against homosexuality. That's your own belief, and no one's making you fuck another dude. So I completely agree with you there. It's the Hindu part (ha I was formerly a Hindu so it works out) that really emphasizes what I'm saying. Not eating beef is the same as not fucking someone of the same sex. Your choice, whatever. Hindus trying to ban beef being sold everywhere because it violates their beliefs is the same as Christians trying to ban homosexuals from marrying. It's ridiculous and their freedom of religion ends where it violates others' freedom of expression.

I get what you're saying, but truthfully, when I was pretty religious and didn't eat beef, I still supported other people having the right to eat beef. Likewise, I'd hope that Christians can look past their personal beliefs to support other people having the right to marry whom they want.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


They all vote against gays getting rights though, well I guess I see your point in that in congress you either vote yay or nay so it's either you support something or you are against it but some might feel neutral but you have to pick one so they pick nay I guess, there's no room for grey area which is how most people's beliefs are so yeah the system sucks idk I'm not good at articulating my thoughts whatever

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


And the deeper point I'm trying to make is, say you're against being gay. Like it is against your religion. And you're in office. And they bring it up for a vote. Do you vote for or against it? If you vote for it, then you are endorsing (to a degree) something that is against your religion, which many believe is the most important thing in life. If you vote against it, then you are an anti-gay bigot etc etc.

It is a tough pill to swallow for many.

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


tl;dr

republicans suck, agreed

Digging: Weezer - Everything Will Be Alright in the End

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


Yeah that's what I was saying it's hard because there's no middle ground usually
But I mean the constitution and the rights of others should always go before your religion

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"And the deeper point I'm trying to make is, say you're against being gay. Like it is against your religion. And you're in office. And they bring it up for a vote. Do you vote for or against it? If you vote for it, then you are endorsing (to a degree) something that is against your religion, which many believe is the most important thing in life. If you vote against it, then you are an anti-gay bigot etc etc."

What a false dilemma you've created. You're not endorsing homosexuality within Christianity; you're simply acknowledging that there are people who aren't fundamentalist who have other viewpoints, and you don't want to intrude on their rights. You're not "endorsing" it at all.
Again, would you want Hindu politicians trying to ban beef because it's against their religion? Would you want Muslim politicians trying to ban women from NOT wearing a hijab because it's against their beliefs? Of course not; you just don't worry about it because there will never be enough Muslim/Hindu/non-Christian politicians for it to be relevant.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Right I completely agree with you both which is why politics in general blows so hard. The only thing xtoxin is that eating beef would never be something that had to be legalized where as gay marriage is, but I understand and I agree with you.

Bottom line to me is... Why does it even matter? I think these kinds of main points where the 2 sides differ shouldn't hinge on who runs a country. It should come down to stuff like healthcare, diplomacy, government funded programs, economics, etc.

We really need to get our priorities in order and I think there should be less government regulation on personal matters such as being gay and having abortions and more focused on sustenance of its people

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


duh, politicians use stuff like gay marriage, flag burning (lol) and abortion to distract from the fact that they're fucking up
the economy and the real issues like that and the wars we're in for no reason (which no one talks about anymore)

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


xtoxin many many people would disagree that it does make you look like you endorse it, and if it didn't I don't think we would be having this discussion

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


His point is that your personal religion should not be pushed on everyone else

bach
August 20th 2012
12905 Comments


it's only a matter of time before Pope Benedict admits he listens to Burzum.

Digging: Caribou - Our Love

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


Like he said if a politician tried to push islam people would lose their shit

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"The only thing xtoxin is that eating beef would never be something that had to be legalized where as gay marriage is, but I understand and I agree with you." I'm glad we agree, but you're assuming eating beef is inherently more legal than banning gay marriage. Why do we have to legalize gay marriage, whereas the legalization of eating beef is so assumed? What fundamental difference is there, that we have to make this distinction?

And I agree that this shouldn't be an issue, but unfortunately because marriage (and I guess abortion) is regulated my the government, it's going to be part of the debate. In reality, it shouldn't be, and I'd love to see how the country would align politically if we threw out the quasi-religious debates of gay marriage and abortion.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


The world is super overpopulated and we fucked if the population keeps rising
So why do people give a shit about abortion and gays, they are the only things saving us from running out of food and stuff

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments



xtoxin FTW

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I completely agree I don't think it should have ever been an issue. Like why would you not allow some people to get married just cause? It is stupid. The only thing I can muster would be that this country was basically founded on Christianity way back when. That's the only half-legit answer I can think of

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"xtoxin many many people would disagree that it does make you look like you endorse it, and if it didn't I don't think we would be having this discussion"

But that's through ignorance, and I'm not willing to forgive opinions of ignorance, especially from supposedly well-educated politicians.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


LOL at Trebor

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Well like cows are sacred in India are they not? So like what if someone went around killing and eating them. Is that allowed there? I wouldn't know.

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


trebs right though

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


meat is awesome and vegans are boring preachy self righteous assholes agreed

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Yeah see, that is what I thought:

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/south-asia/indian-state-brings-out-tougher-laws-on-cow-crime

So you can't kill cows in India so you understand what I'm saying now. That's why presently, being gay is illegal here. Because we are founded on Christianity just like India is founded on being Hindu

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


christians put way too much value on human life
not every baby is precious

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments




not a history buff, but didn't separatists basically come to America to escape the tyrannical Church of England and its beliefs?


the irony

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


"Because we are founded on Christianity"

No we were founded on slaughtering native americans so do you think that should still be illegal too?

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


babies are loud annoying and awful in general

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


"his country was basically founded on Christianity way back when"

LOL no it wasn't. most of the founding fathers were deists

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


So now, xtoxin, reverse the tables and say if you were a Hindu politician and it came up for a vote, would you vote for their slaughter and consumption? You might, I don't think most would

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


even if we were founded on Christianity i think it's time we evolved and moved on. Much like Bill Hicks would have wanted

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


nash you sound like a retard right now

religion is for gays whether youre a hindi muslim christian or whatever

cept buddhism i think they got that one right

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


hey we did some stuff 300 years ago it must still be a good idea to do all of those things oh wait they didn't even have electricity


Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


"So now, xtoxin, reverse the tables and say if you were a Hindu politician and it came up for a vote, would you vote for their slaughter and consumption? You might, I don't think most would"

that's because most people are in favor of forcing their personal beliefs on others whether it's right/legal to do so or not

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


buddhism is generally pretty cool

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I'm not saying they came over here and said hey we're gonna be a christian country. They made freedom of religion for a reason. But many of the fore fathers were indeed Christians were they not? that's all I'm getting at

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"The world is super overpopulated and we fucked if the population keeps rising
So why do people give a shit about abortion and gays, they are the only things saving us from running out of food and stuff"
Ha, too bad most of the fast-growing countries (like India, Middle East, Africa) don't even have these issues up for debate. People like to criticize America for being backwards but at least we have public discussion on these things.

"So you can't kill cows in India so you understand what I'm saying now. That's why presently, being gay is illegal here. Because we are founded on Christianity just like India is founded on being Hindu"

Dude, I'm Indian. My parents are pretty damn conservative, and even they agree how backwards things are in India with regards to religion (as Indian immigrants). India doing something similar doesn't justify it being done in America.

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


"They made freedom of religion for a reason"


nobody listened to them then

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1RQmnSJoRg


CLASSIC!!

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


bill hicks
is not
fucking
funny

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


"They made freedom of religion for a reason"

exactly lol, you can't make one religion the dominant religion and force it on everybody, freedom of religion also means freedom from religion

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"that's because most people are in favor of forcing their personal beliefs on others whether it's right/legal to do so or not"

Lol thanks for summarizing the whole argument here Lakes

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


and if there was freedom from religion, i wouldn't feel like a terrible person for admitting that i'm an atheist to my friends and family

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments



ok, but that analogy is still classic

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


freedom of religion means you can belief in whatever faires and dragons and undead hippies or whatever but keep that shit to yourself

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"So now, xtoxin, reverse the tables and say if you were a Hindu politician and it came up for a vote, would you vote for their slaughter and consumption? You might, I don't think most would"
Personally, if I were in India right now, the first thing I would do would be to try to end the ridiculous clamp religion has in India. Hell, India is a religious battlefield (Hindus vs Muslims) due to it. This includes letting people slaughter and eat cows if they choose to. I mean, India has created secular laws banning the caste system, which is a fundamental aspect to Hinduism. I don't see the killing of cows (and consumption of meat/ production of their hide for leather) as any different (granted it's not as morally imperative).

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


"bill hicks
is not
fucking
funny"

even if you don't think so, which is irrelevant anyways, the dude was pretty smart

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"Dude, I'm Indian. My parents are pretty damn conservative, and even they agree how backwards things are in India with regards to religion (as Indian immigrants). India doing something similar doesn't justify it being done in America."

Right but that doesn't answer my question. Do you think they would vote for it? No they wouldn't. Hence where we sit now. Doesn't make it right, just how it is

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


stupid people be stupid, whatcha gonna do about it????

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"and if there was freedom from religion, i wouldn't feel like a terrible person for admitting that i'm an atheist to my friends and family"

No that's bull shit. Feelings and opinions don't affect what laws are in place

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"freedom of religion also means freed
om from religion"
well fucking said.
@Kris, well I think that's due to your family/friends having shitty views on religion more than anything else. I mean even if we had full freedom from religion, that only applies to the government. The actual people are free to be as discriminatory as they want, as long as it doesn't impinge on your freedoms (and someone condemning your choice doesn't qualify). Of course I feel for you (my parents still delude themselves into thinking I'm Hindu when I've stated several times I'm not) though.

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


"Feelings and opinions don't affect what laws are in place"

they shouldn't but they do

need i remind you sodomy was illegal until 2003?

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"not a history buff, but didn't separatists basically come to America to escape the tyrannical Church of England and its beliefs?"

They wanted separation of church and state. Doesn't mean they weren't religious or have beliefs themselves

Kris.
August 20th 2012
12345 Comments


granted, i live in the bible belt which sucks cock

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


if you ask me, church and state aren't separate enough

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"Right but that doesn't answer my question. Do you think they would vote for it? No they wouldn't. Hence where we sit now. Doesn't make it right, just how it is"
But that's not my point. I don't care what would happen, because we can already see what would happen. My whole point is how things should be.

Also, it's worth noting that I don't give Democrat politicians a pass either, because I hardly ever see them making good arguments for homosexuality (such as the analogy to beef/not wearing hijabs) to actually try to reason with people who disagree. Usually it's just some political buzzword to try to incite lazy liberals to vote against the ignorant, evil, gay-hating conservatives. That's not progress either. It wouldn't surprise me if Democrats just are pro-gay marriage because they wouldn't win office if they weren't and if Republicans are just anti-gay marriage for the same reason.

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


No they aren't separate because of abortion and being gay but these weren't pressing issues when they founded America. Several of you are stating things that are obviously true like freedom from religion etc. but the bottom line is religion is always going to encroach on peoples opinions and beliefs which in turn directly affects how they vote. So no, it can never be completely separate and it never will be. hence why gay marriage and abortion platforms are so stupid and irrelevant

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


dafuq? why do you even need to make an "argument" for homosexuality? you have no right to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their personal lives, period

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


xtoxin digging a deep hole brah

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


Agreed, xtoxin. And that was my point being made. We do know what would happen and it is what is happening here. Because religion and beliefs will affect voters as long as these platforms are in place and things won't change

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


So no, it can never be completely separate and it never will be.

yeah, if we were all sensible human beings it could happen, but nah, people suck

Dunpeal
August 20th 2012
3687 Comments



it's just that America should be "freedom from religion" because that's how it was supposedly founded


not "lets get in power and lobby our religious-based laws so we can turn it into the America I want for me and my cronies"

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


pronouncing this thread dead unless someone wants to talk about something interesting

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"dafuq? why do you even need to make an "argument" for homosexuality? you have no right to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their personal lives, period"

Yes they do when it affects others. Like murder, stealing etc. Not homosexuality namely but you do have a right to regulate what people do. Doing drugs as well.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
August 20th 2012
50515 Comments


How does being gay affect other people at all

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


I'm down Rosa this thread has been over exhausted. Toodles

chesse13
August 20th 2012
3723 Comments


pronouncing this thread dead unless someone wants to talk about something interesting

yeah let's do a religious argument now

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


Lakes,

I agree whole-heartedly. BUT other people don't get this. And there are lot of fucking idiot Bible belters and Bible thumpers who won't listen to logic in any sense. But there are also a lot of good-hearted Christians who simply follow their preacher and say "homosexual marriage=bad!!" without thinking it through, and it'd be nice to see politicians legitimately try to go through. Never mind the 60 year old bigots... I'd love to see a Democrat from the Bible-belt have a discussion room with Christian teens/20 yo's and try to reason with them. Maybe it happens and just isn't reported on (hence me not knowing) but I'm fairly sure it doesn't as often as it should.

Kris, I'm sorry for your loss. Move the fuck away?

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


it doesn't, unless they're bigots and they're offended by it, in which case it is not the person in questions fault at all but the bigot's for being a bigot

ChuckyTruant
August 20th 2012
15722 Comments


Life is precious kris. It is a gift

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


"Yes they do when it affects others. Like murder, stealing etc. "

whoa you learned common sense

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


"How does being gay affect other people at all"

I JUST said NOT homosexuality dude lol. I was making the point that they do have the right to regulate people's personal lives otherwise drugs would be legal and stuff

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


i drink piss

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


Lakes,
I can't really decipher what you're saying but I think I have to disagree. It's the bigot's fault for being a bigot, yes, but if a Democrat truly wants to effect change in the state of homosexuality in this country, then he would make the attempt to educate people on why they can support homosexuality for others even if they consider it a sin.

Of course, it's not like it matters. It's a foregone conclusion that when this generation of politician dies off (the older ones, anyways) and our generation (i.e., the 1980s and 1990s and beyond) gets into power, homosexuality will be widely accepted. IIRC a majority of Americans support gay marriage, anyways.

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


well, you'd say something like this to them:

you think following a religion other than your own is a sin, do you not? but do you support the rights of others to follow another religion (or none at all)?

if your answer was yes but you want sodomy/SSM to be illegal, congratulations, you're a hypocrite

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


IIRC a majority of Americans support gay marriage, anyways.

53% and rising

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


Exactly, Lakes.
There are many avenues of logic, that you'd think one would hit them. In the case of yours, I legitimately don't think Bible belters would follow your train of thought, which is why the analogy of beef (or any other belief another religion has) would work the best. It removes them from Christianity so they can think logically for a second, and then it forces them to reconsider their opinion when you tie it back to Christianity.

And yeah, that's what I thought. It's only a matter of time 'til it hits a point where Republicans realize it's actually costing them votes to stay anti-homosexual. 25% of conservatives support gay marriage, and within 10 years I bet it'll hit 40, if not 50.

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


are you suggesting bible belters don't want others to have freedom of religion?

they're worse off than i thought they were!

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


" yeah but saying the whole country should suffer because of your religious beliefs is pretty fucking selfish and retarded
Just because you don't like gay marriage or abortion doesn't mean it should be illegal
I don't like twix bars but I think other people should be able to enjoy them
It all comes back to the constitution ya know like duh, your personal beliefs don't mean shit compared to the constitution"

i think you're a cool guy trebor, but whenever we get into these types of conversations you really come off as having no idea what you're talking about. you can't take your entire world-view from punk lyrics. and for the record, i am pro-gay marriage and pro-life if that makes any difference. i consider myself a pretty moderate conservative.

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


'are you suggesting bible belters don't want others to have freedom of religion?'
not if they think it impinges on their Christianity
...I know you're being sarcastic but still

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


"i think you're a cool guy trebor, but whenever we get into these types of conversations you really come off as having no idea what you're talking about. you can't take your entire world-view from punk lyrics. and for the record, i am pro-gay marriage and pro-life if that makes any difference. i consider myself a pretty moderate conservative."

what was wrong with his post? i'm having trouble seeing it. enlighten me, aubsy.

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"never expected for things to get this out of hand but I'm proud lol."
lol you posted a political article. what were you expecting?

RosaParks
August 20th 2012
14924 Comments


let's not ignore the fact that being fiscally conservative is stupid and should be looked down on

nash1311
August 20th 2012
1754 Comments


In conclusion xtoxin... If it came to a vote and it was against my morals I just wouldn't vote. Win win

ZKG777
August 20th 2012
171 Comments


Rosa. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


republicans are morons, agreed

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


"republicans are morons, agreed"

solid reasoning bro, your bring up some interesting points and really have helped me see a new side to this whole argument. thanks for your contribution to this topic!

IMZA1793
August 20th 2012
843 Comments


lol

toxin.
August 20th 2012
12604 Comments


"In conclusion xtoxin... If it came to a vote and it was against my morals I just wouldn't vote. Win win" I'm not too hot on the idea but at least you're not actively choosing to deny people rights. I guess that could be a fair route to take.



Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


"solid reasoning bro, your bring up some interesting points and really have helped me see a new side to this whole argument. thanks for your contribution to this topic!"

you're welcome ginger!

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


lol that's your retort? really? now you've not only brought nothing to the table in terms of intelligent conversation, you've actually subtracted intelligence from this thread. try to stay on topic when arguing. unless you prefer me to respond to your posts by pointing out random trivia about you like "lol gay" or "lol 15" or "lol makes shit music."

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


dude, this thread is pretty much dead and i'm not in the mood for debate. my original comment was in jest anyway ;]
go ride a dinosaur or something and chill out

auberginedreams
August 20th 2012
6053 Comments


i'll try and track one down.

eternium
August 20th 2012
16338 Comments


If Republicans would stop electing (and listening to) misogynistic, trickle down economics believing, racist, homophobic, war loving, Bible thumping morons then they would stop being stereotyped as such.

i.e.: Todd Akin, Paul Ryan, Rush Limbaugh, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, Virginia Foxx, Allen West, Christine O'Donnell, Michele Bachmann, Jim DeMint, Joe Walsh, Joe Wilson, Sean Hannity, Pat Robertson, etc. etc. etc.

Lakes.
August 20th 2012
28377 Comments


pretty much eternium

nbmatt
August 21st 2012
40 Comments


There are some depressingly stupid people commenting here...

toxin.
August 21st 2012
12604 Comments


"There are some depressingly stupid people commenting here..."
Who doesn't love these 'edgy' comments? "Oh hey, I'm going to try to feel smug by vaguely calling people stupid without actually saying anything substantive. That way, no one will call me out on anything!"

Youtellme
August 21st 2012
1351 Comments


lol Awesome.

Storm In A Teacup
August 21st 2012
13149 Comments


andcas is cheerful thats the good best news all day

PresidentObama
August 21st 2012
1 Comments


fags

Lakes.
August 21st 2012
28377 Comments


you dissin me xtoxin?

toxin.
August 21st 2012
12604 Comments


Lakes, 'course.

foxxxy, just wait, the internet is going to become the medium of change, because it's responsive to people, without any corporate or special interest interference. Besides, online debates sharpens your debate skills for when you meet people IRL with ridiculous points of view. Next time I meet a Bible thumper, I'll have a better phrased and more articulate argument to present regarding homosexuality.

Lakes.
August 21st 2012
28377 Comments


next time you meet a bible thumper you can tell them they're stupid!

toxin.
August 21st 2012
12604 Comments


to be fair you don't find many in California.

nicholasarthur
August 21st 2012
87 Comments


I wonder what Paul Ryan thought when he heard "so I'm rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun/those people ain't seen a brown skin man since their grandparents bought one." There are some bands you listen to where the lyrics are inconsequential to whether you enjoy them or not, but the lyrics are usually a focal point in almost every Rage Against the Machine song. Tom Morello has a right to comment on it just like how Paul Ryan has a right to listen to it. I don't think nash1311 understands how freedom of speech works. Tom Morello can't force Paul Ryan to not listen to his music, but he has a right to talk about how strange it is that he enjoys it since a large part of what the band does is dedicated to leftist activism.

Pebster49
August 22nd 2012
2993 Comments


I want to say something that will help this situation...I can't so...Gary Johnson 2012!!

zulop
August 22nd 2012
164 Comments


Nash1311 really is an utterly tactless idiot.

Edit: so is JWT and most other people posting here. I should really abandon the springs of hope for
the internet, I should know better by now.

Lakes.
August 22nd 2012
28377 Comments


yeah nash hates fags, he makes me sad =[

intotheshit
August 22nd 2012
3639 Comments


Let's just turn this country into a socialist nation and get it over with already.

ScorpionStan
August 22nd 2012
1834 Comments


Summary:

Tom Morello can say whatever he fucking wants. It's his right to speak his mind. However, if you are a discerning individual when it comes to political matters, you will not give two shits about what some self-identified extremist musician has to say.

His opinion is so clearly slanted in one direction that it is impossible to take him seriously. If he was REALLY against the oppressive-government big-corporation machine, he would be just as opposed to Obama as he is to Paul Ryan. That is what the facts support...both sides are quite equally to blame. But instead of having a balanced opinion, he gangs up on one side and beats the same dead horse over and over again. And he doesn't just simply have a biased opinion and run his mouth about it, he crosses WAY over the line from just a simple social commentary to slanderous personal insults and rather malicious accusations. Why anyone would even take his opinion halfway seriously is beyond me.

Lakes.
August 22nd 2012
28377 Comments


lol okay

toxin.
August 22nd 2012
12604 Comments


You're an idiot. Slanderous personal insults? Do you know what slander is? That you're calling this slanderous proves how little you know
.
Malicious accusations? Have you actually looked at Ryan's voting records (*shudders*). Morello is right on the money here with his representation of Ryan. Maybe you're on Ryan's side, but just because you support him on his war against homosexuality or whatever doesn't mean he's not anti-gay.

Also why the fuck would Morello even comment on Obama? Did Obama recently reveal that his favorite band was RAtM? Don't be dumb.

Tulten
August 22nd 2012
10 Comments


I don't know why people are saying Tom's a dick for bashing a fan for having different beliefs. That's not really the situation. I'm sure he's well aware that his fans aren't all diehard left wing activists like he is. Paul Ryan is actually a man in power who actively stands to jeopardize the very future Morello feels compelled to work for. It's like if you were in a band that wrote songs about nature and the rain forest and then some pro-deforestation lobbyist was like "Rain Forest Guys? I love that band!" You'd be pissed too. You'd likely want to repossess his concert t-shirt and feed him to some natives that had been driven from their homes. Rage Justified.

toxin.
August 22nd 2012
12604 Comments


well said.

ScorpionStan
August 23rd 2012
1834 Comments


lol xtoxin i didn't say anything about gay marriage. Actually, i purposely didn't mention any specific issues at all because IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. My point is simply that it is ridiculous to take seriously the views of a extremist musician who has a history of bashing only one side of a clearly two-sided problem.

And look at the guy's past dumbass...he is constantly making political commentary, and such commentary is the basis of RATM's music. The whole Bush Presidency for instance, he was continually whining about Bush. So yes, of course it would make sense for him to comment on Obama. Both guys are part of the machine that RATM presumes to rage against. But he doesn't say a word about Obama or really anybody on the left--hence the loss of any credibility he might have had. He clearly does not have a balanced opinion.

And if you want to bend words like slander to mean what you want them to mean, that's fine. But please do yourself a favor and look up the word meaning, for your own benefit.

intotheshit
August 23rd 2012
3639 Comments


Doesn't anyone realize that RATM is the biggest bunch of hypocrites in music? Granted, I love their music, but you don't talk about oppression and the downfall of corporate America, and then buy a new, expensive SUV every year and stock it in your Beverly Hills home.

That's right, Zack. I'm talking to you.

Lakes.
August 23rd 2012
28377 Comments


"lol xtoxin i didn't say anything about gay marriage. Actually, i purposely didn't mention any specific issues at all because IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. My point is simply that it is ridiculous to take seriously the views of a extremist musician who has a history of bashing only one side of a clearly two-sided problem.

And look at the guy's past dumbass...he is constantly making political commentary, and such commentary is the basis of RATM's music. The whole Bush Presidency for instance, he was continually whining about Bush. So yes, of course it would make sense for him to comment on Obama. Both guys are part of the machine that RATM presumes to rage against. But he doesn't say a word about Obama or really anybody on the left--hence the loss of any credibility he might have had. He clearly does not have a balanced opinion.

And if you want to bend words like slander to mean what you want them to mean, that's fine. But please do yourself a favor and look up the word meaning, for your own benefit."

you're a right winger, aren't you?

toxin.
August 23rd 2012
12604 Comments


"lol xtoxin i didn't say anything about gay marriage. Actually, i purposely didn't mention any specific issues at all because IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. My point is simply that it is ridiculous to take seriously the views of a extremist musician who has a history of bashing only one side of a clearly two-sided problem. "
Hiding behind generalizations is stupid. I picked gay marriage since it's the simplest issue out there.

And if you think we should casually disregard the opinions of "just some extremist" you're an idiot. Calling him an extremist or a hypocrite or anything is such a strawman argument that it's going to get up and go to fucking Oz. It's irrelevant what you think about him; how about you look at his points?

THAT is my point. People do this nonsense all the time. "Well Romney is lying scumbag who cheated on his taxes so obviously his view on the economy is wrong." "Obama is a socialist; who cares about the specifics of his healthcare plan? We know it's socialism!!" It's just ignorance, and you're contributing.

It's one thing if it's Michael Moore yelling about how 9/11 was an inside job. Yeah, in this case he's an extremist nut so ignore him, but ignore him because what he's talking about is extremist rhetoric, not because he's an extremist. Extremist or not, he might have good points to make. But in the case of 9/11, he doesn't.

By the way:
slander: "The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation."
What exactly did he say that is so irrefutably false that it qualifies as slander? Fucking moron.

OneZeroZero
August 23rd 2012
12 Comments


repubs have no shortage of slander for liberals and the gay community tho!!!

DarthMann
August 23rd 2012
13815 Comments


if obama doesn't get elected someone should just go to america and kill all the yanks i mean seriously lol

Lakes.
August 23rd 2012
28377 Comments


agreed

toxin.
August 23rd 2012
12604 Comments


"repubs have no shortage of slander for liberals and the gay community tho!!!"
let's not all go circlejerky here


Lakes.
August 23rd 2012
28377 Comments


you know it's true bro

toxin.
August 23rd 2012
12604 Comments


wouldn't call it slander though, by proper definition of the word.
just hateful and inane

Lakes.
August 24th 2012
28377 Comments


i would say anti-gay slander can definitely be harmful to the reputation of the community

RosaParks
August 24th 2012
14924 Comments


sodomy should be illegal right romney? execute the gays and doom the uneducated to small shacks with dirt floors



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