The Real Weeknd Revealed
2012-04-02 by Sobhi Youssef EMERITUS | 136 Comments
Vice magazine has posted an enlightening interview with who appears to be the true creative impetus behind The Weeknd - Jeremy Rose, aka Zodiac. Rose has not been given any creative credit towards a trio of tracks leaked by Drake that formed the core of Abel Tesfaye's breakout success.

http://www.vice.com/read/how-the-producer-of-the-weeknds-breakout-tracks-got-majorly-screwed
Tagged: The Weeknd

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kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 2nd 2012
4957 Comments


This is some serious bullsh*t. I have lost mad respect for you Abel.

Scoot
April 2nd 2012
17914 Comments


um...wow

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Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
April 2nd 2012
50960 Comments


I'm not gonna read this whole interview, just these comments

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Hawks
April 2nd 2012
35837 Comments


Yeah Abel really fucked up on this one.

patman1001
April 2nd 2012
1012 Comments


lol wow

MMX
April 2nd 2012
4863 Comments


I could care less, It's not going to affect how much I enjoy the music

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MMX
April 2nd 2012
4863 Comments


^^^ that's what I mean't. my bad. typo

kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 2nd 2012
4957 Comments


Yes the music is still amazing of course.


Rose should have stuck with it. He really let his pride get in the way when he decided not to work with him anymore.


Still, the production on The Weeknd records is seriously 75% of the equation, and it looks like the whole f*cking concept came from Rose. Tesfaye owes his popularity and livelihood to this guy and is putting a dick in his ass instead (whether he likes it or not)

Hawks
April 2nd 2012
35837 Comments


Well yeah it doesn't make me hate the music, I love everything The Weeknd has put out, but it's still a bitch move on Abel's part.

ILJ
April 2nd 2012
6742 Comments


Of course, the one R&B artist I enjoy is an asshat.

Oh well, music is still fucking awesome.

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ILJ
April 2nd 2012
6742 Comments


Good article by the way.

jefflebowski
April 2nd 2012
8257 Comments


what a dick

Duderino
April 2nd 2012
828 Comments


dude seems really at peace about it, gotta respect that

Scoot
April 2nd 2012
17914 Comments


yeah i don't see how tesfaye could be anything but a major douche

dude is 22 and went from working in american apparel to chilling with drake in less than a year. that's going to get to anyone's head

if anyone's played tony hawk's underground, this is kind of like what eric sparrow does to you lol

plane
Staff Reviewer
April 2nd 2012
6100 Comments


Rose should have stuck with it. He really let his pride get in the way when he decided not to work with him anymore.

He says Abel just stopped respecting his work and wouldn't allow any input. He stopped working "with" him and started working "for" him, which is kind of how it sounds on the later albums anyway (in regard to the other producers). Does Abel do any of the production himself?

MMX
April 2nd 2012
4863 Comments


Scoot made my day

Guiltor
April 2nd 2012
31 Comments


Agreed, the guy seems really cool for what he went through.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
April 2nd 2012
50960 Comments


So that's why there is no e in The Weeknd

AggravatedYeti
April 2nd 2012
7685 Comments


I do not think he does Lewis but don't quote me.

Zodiac's case is pretty legit from what I have read and to be fair there is much more to The Weeknd than just Abel. Even though he's obviously the spotlight.

Everyone needs to get his money and then make more mixtapes.

sniper
April 2nd 2012
19079 Comments


gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet, etc. he produced a few early weeknd tracks. this doesn't by any stretch devalue the other 24 classic tracks the weeknd has released since then. if he wanted compensation maybe he should have, you know, gotten something in writing? as far as i'm concerned this just proves abel is ambitious enough to do what's necessary to further his career. no fucks given over here, no lost respect.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
April 2nd 2012
50960 Comments


He didn't get anything in writing cuz it was just two unknown kids making demos

bloc
April 2nd 2012
35024 Comments


I knew that fairy-voiced fool couldn't have been doing shit.

Oh well, glad the guy behind it is still Canadian and I don't see this altering my enjoyment for the music.



JordanS
April 2nd 2012
319 Comments


I sort of agree, but it sucks that this guy was involved in the actual creation of this concept and image but was just completely ignored. The group is a lot cooler with the second half. That said, the dude sort of owned himself for bailing on the project. It got famous, he was like "fuck", he should be given credit for the tracks he did but the way things are he will never be associated with The Weeknd like he should be.

TheGardener
April 2nd 2012
150 Comments


Definitely a dick move, he's had a lot of success this past year and I don't think it'd hurt for him to give Rose the recognition he deserves and maybe toss him a few dollars. Basically, people are just dicks. But The Weeknd is still pretty fantastic.

sniper
April 2nd 2012
19079 Comments


the thing is, no one ever thought abel was the mastermind behind the production. he is a damn fine vocalist and lyricist, and that's all we ever thought he was. the current production team has done far better work over the course of the three mixtapes than how those demos sound anyway. he might have had the idea for the dark rnb project first, but it came to fruition without his involvement, and he was already out before house of balloons dropped and started the most massive wave of hype in recent memory. the weeknd owes little of their current success on this guy, is all i'm saying.

mangasm
April 2nd 2012
672 Comments


Damn nigga.

sniper
April 2nd 2012
19079 Comments


it def wasn't particularly cool of them to completely ignore the guy, but they don't owe him anything.

TheGardener
April 2nd 2012
150 Comments


well put

TooLateToGoBack
April 2nd 2012
1780 Comments


Wow, that's fucked up.

Won't really hinder my enjoyment of the music, but Abel is an asshole. Hopefully this guy receives his dues.

Ire
April 2nd 2012
41828 Comments


damn the production was the only part of the music i cared for.

sniper
April 2nd 2012
19079 Comments


all the production on all three mixtapes is still done by the dudes who do the production now.

kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 2nd 2012
4957 Comments


sniper you're completely missing the point I'll post on this when I get out of the car

sniper
April 2nd 2012
19079 Comments


i think the genius of the weeknd is tesfaye's lyricism/delivery and the narrative quality of both the production and the lyricism over the course of the the three mixtapes. even if the dark r&b thing was rose's idea (which i will concede), the point is that the vision of the whole trilogy is still not his, and the fact that he had a hand in some early demos is cool, but not really what makes the project.

if you were going somewhere else with that i look forward to hearing it.

jackalope11
April 2nd 2012
330 Comments


Tesfaye still writes it all really well, but stupid kind of shit like that happens in the industry all the time.

lancebramsay
April 2nd 2012
1585 Comments


Sounds like the classic case of artistic vision versus profit.

azraelcyanide
April 2nd 2012
51 Comments


As much as I don't want this to color my view of The Weeknd, I can't ignore the fact that Tesfaye does come off as an asshole in this interview...however, it is solely from Rose's point of view. I'll withhold judgment until Tesfaye's side is given, if ever. Although it seems to me that Rose should have sprung up and laid claim to those beats the moment this project started catching.

Funeralopolis
April 2nd 2012
11894 Comments


I recently just discovered the Weeknd been jamming them hard all day today and it isn't stopping for nothing.

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Funeralopolis
April 2nd 2012
11894 Comments


That moment when you realize House Of Balloons is drastically inferior to everything else he's done.

Hawks
April 2nd 2012
35837 Comments


Except for the fact that House of Balloons is the best of the three mixtapes.

kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 2nd 2012
4957 Comments


sniper, 50% of any new business venture is the idea, 50% is the execution. It is obvious that Rose had the idea, while the rest of the producers involved and Tesfaye took care of the execution. If Rose did not hook up with Tesfaye, I can guarantee you that this trilogy would not have happened in its current incarnation.

For example, why aren't Bilal, Jamie Woon, or The Dream internet hipster household names? They are easily as talented as Tesfaye, but their production isn't nearly as exciting. Throw any of those names in his position, and they would be superstars (not to say they aren't right now, but they aren't hailed as revolutionaries the way Weeknd is right now).

That said, the vision of The Weeknd is definitely Rose's; he should be credited and compensated for that. If this would have happened in the technology sector, you bet your ass there would be a massive lawsuit ongoing, and the person with the original idea usually comes out on top. Granted, this is due to the IP protection technology firms have in place - but that just shows you how much Tesfaye is royally f*cking Rose.

That's fine if you like Tesfaye's lyricism. I like it too, and I think he's a top notch crooner. But anyone can make lyrics like that to be honest, and in the interview it even appears that the lyrical/thematic concept was Rose's as well. The production vision is what made The Weeknd what it is and not just another stupid contemporary R&B record.

plane
Staff Reviewer
April 2nd 2012
6100 Comments


What this article implies is that Abel wouldn't have even started a "darb r&b" project without Rose. What the Weeknd are now is because of a foundation that Rose set out, and instilled into Abel. If Abel doesn't at least acknowledge that being pointed towards this path is very much because of Rose, that all the producers that fell into line after were picked because of a sound that Rose created, then that's kinda fucked. Art can stand outside of its context, and the Weeknd does that pretty well, but that doesn't make it any less revealing. I wouldn't credit Edison for the computer but, I mean, [comparison]

edit hey sobhi ily

kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 2nd 2012
4957 Comments


sup lewis.

sniper, i re-read your other posts. It seems like you are dwelling on the fact that all production post-Rose is excellent and not devalued. You are right. But this has no bearing on the situation. In IP law, you need to find the root idea-maker per-se... once an idea has been thought of and presented to people, anyone can replicate it. This is why your ipod is manufactured in Shenzen. It's still an ipod and a top notch product, but anyone can make it now given the proper tools and skill. That's exactly what is going on between Rose and Tesfaye's current production team... none of this would have happened if not for Rose, the catalyst of the entire concept apparently.

If he's a big fat liar, then color me surprised.

InFiction
April 2nd 2012
3714 Comments


Well, that's shit. I can understand them parting ways because of creative differences, but to not give his first producer any credit? Abel, you cumdumpster.

WashboardSuds
April 2nd 2012
5043 Comments


that was an interesting story. doesn't ruin my feelings for the albums though, actually makes me want to listen to them more cause they're like all conspiracy'd and backstabby and shit.

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kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 2nd 2012
4957 Comments


i really hope people boo the shit out of tesfaye at coachella. what a colossal douche.

kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 2nd 2012
4957 Comments


sometimes it's hard being a fan :[

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
April 2nd 2012
19069 Comments


he sucked anyways so who cares

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deathofasalesman
April 2nd 2012
5871 Comments


"if anyone's played tony hawk's underground, this is kind of like what eric sparrow does to you lol"

I lol'ed soooooo hard! hahahahah

AsoTamaki
April 2nd 2012
2525 Comments


No one really cares, sadly. This news has been out for weeks and it still hasn't even gotten enough reaction to the point where Abel has been forced to address the situation.

JeetJeet
April 2nd 2012
797 Comments


"if anyone's played tony hawk's underground, this is kind of like what eric sparrow does to you lol"

holy shit ahahahahahahaha best reference ever

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kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 2nd 2012
4957 Comments


I guess, but it's only been posted for about a week. That's really not enough time to cycle through the internet. Rose needs to sue, then it'll get more attention.

Hep Kat
April 2nd 2012
15399 Comments


quelle scandale

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Hep Kat
April 2nd 2012
15399 Comments


im also glad to say i didnt support the weeknd hype train

none
April 2nd 2012
1100 Comments


wut a flippin cuntfag

drasticaction74
April 2nd 2012
1767 Comments


http://www.acceptancetake.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/how-could-you.png

how could you

thomasj12e34
April 2nd 2012
195 Comments


tbh im kinda confused about wat the big deal is. while this guy was a good producer it does not seem like he was essential. and it wasnt like he made the weeknd big, drake was the one that did that

Ire
April 2nd 2012
41828 Comments


sobhi's comments pretty much wrap it up

AsoTamaki
April 2nd 2012
2525 Comments


Right. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who think the way thomas and sniper do. That's why this story hasn't exploded yet and perhaps never will.

ABurton
April 2nd 2012
137 Comments


lol so hes Jeremy Rose aka Zodiac aka The Weeknd aka......


stlfightstar
April 2nd 2012
27 Comments


Hmmph..

paxman
April 3rd 2012
4084 Comments


No, he's not The Weeknd, dumbass.

kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 3rd 2012
4957 Comments


why are you being hostile

klap
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
10584 Comments


it'd be nice if he was booed at coachella but i don't think this story is going to gain enough traction to get that kind of response

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taylormemer
April 3rd 2012
4953 Comments


The most he'd get is recognition and compensation of the first three tracks - which it seems is all he really wants anyway. It baffles me when people don't formalise collaborations with a legally binding contract. It just makes so much logical sense to do so, no matter how insignificant the collaboration is.

That said, I'd say he's still got a strong case if he does take it further.

Also, he looks nothing like what I expected, sitting there chilling with some basil by the looks of it.

lucasjcockcroft
April 3rd 2012
3714 Comments


dat voice do

sniper
April 3rd 2012
19079 Comments


yo soby, i basically agree with/understand what you're saying.

i just doubt that when those three tracks were recorded and released, that rose had any plans for a project of the scope that the balloons trilogy ended up being. they're just three tracks. those tracks are def the sound of the weeknd emerging, i just think that the concept for the project still belongs to tesfaye and the current team. the quality of the music that makes it smart and rewarding has as much to do with the superb overarching structure/flow of the music as it does with the actual sound of the music. the three songs were just demos outside of any kind of context, and don't really point to what made the project a success, at least the way i see it.

even if they ripped off rose's sound, they wove it into a concept and built an entire wordview from it that those demos did not in any way implicate. the project as i see it still belongs to tesfaye.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
28829 Comments


yo soby

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Scoot
April 3rd 2012
17914 Comments


i'm really happy for you

imma let you finish

sniper
April 3rd 2012
19079 Comments


but the weeknd has one of the best mixtapes of all time.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


i just doubt that when those three tracks were recorded and released, that rose had any plans for a project of the scope that the balloons trilogy ended up being.


That really doesn't matter at all

they're just three tracks.


That he hasn't been credited for

those tracks are def the sound of the weeknd emerging, i just think that the concept for the project still belongs to tesfaye and the current team


Really doesn't matter how far into the conceptual process Rose was before he left, the fact remains that he played an integral and influential part in the creation of this project..... and he hasn't been credited for it

the quality of the music that makes it smart and rewarding has as much to do with the superb overarching structure/flow of the music as it does with the actual sound of the music.


The sound and the music that is being created as a result of that sound are one and the same

the three songs were just demos outside of any kind of context, and don't really point to what made the project a success, at least the way i see it.


It doesn't matter whether this project did well or not, that's completely besides the point

even if they ripped off rose's sound, they wove it into a concept and built an entire wordview from it that those demos did not in any way implicate.


They expanded on everything that was "implied" on these early cuts

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Scoot
April 3rd 2012
17914 Comments


three

actually two because thursday is a little lacking



sniper
April 3rd 2012
19079 Comments


technically the versions of the songs that appeared on house of balloons are different.

and you'll notice my first comment on the thread said if he wanted credit he should have gotten something in writing. the whole thing really comes down to really poor business decisions.

sniper
April 3rd 2012
19079 Comments


The sound and the music that is being created as a result of that sound are one and the same
and this is fucking retarded. by that logic, listening to 30 seconds of an album over and over for 45 minutes would be the same as listening to a whole album.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


Uh no it wouldn't, you've completely missed the point of that comment. You're arguing that Abel and co have since branched off on their own, but their output is still defined by that initial idea that was either sparked by Rose himself or, he played a rather significant part in it. Either way, credit where credit is due.

I really don't know how you read that and came up with that particular analogy

foxxxyroxxx
April 3rd 2012
496 Comments


hey

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


Ho


Let's go

foxxxyroxxx
April 3rd 2012
496 Comments


okay id go anywhere with you

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


Foxxxy you roxxx my world

foxxxyroxxx
April 3rd 2012
496 Comments


damn dev youre on a roll you make me smile

SeaAnemone
April 3rd 2012
20970 Comments


interesting issue (though I assume this happens rather often)

I think it's important to keep in mind while reading this though that Rose is, apparently, on the verge of dropping a mixtape of his own...

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Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


I think it's also important to keep in mind that this has been an issue since House Of Balloons dropped

captaincrunch11
April 3rd 2012
1246 Comments


My boner for this dude is not as strong now.
















nvm it's still the same

ReturnOfTheDnor
April 3rd 2012
893 Comments


Does the music still get girls out of their soaking panties and into my bed? Yep.

Not a single fuck was given this day.

SeaAnemone
April 3rd 2012
20970 Comments


I think it's also important to keep in mind that this has been an issue since House Of Balloons dropped


What do you mean?
I thought Rose said that he hasn't gone public about it really whatsoever.
I was implying that maybe he's bringing it up right now because of the convenient timing with his release.

Zorak
April 3rd 2012
3191 Comments


I wonder how Abel will respond to this.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


What do you mean?
I thought Rose said that he hasn't gone public about it really whatsoever.
I was implying that maybe he's bringing it up right now because of the convenient timing with his release.


I know what you were implying, but this has been an ongoing issue since the first mixtape. It's just been bought back into the spotlight recently because Rose has a release due out soon and zines are trying to build hype by alluding to his background with The Weeknd. I remember when P4k reviewed HoB and included Rose in the production team they received an e-mail from the XO crew where they attempted to distance themselves from Rose. The interview with Rose is recent, but the beef is old

jdennis31
April 3rd 2012
6511 Comments


the 4 they mentioned are like my favorite weeknd songs. does this rose dude have any of his work out there?

omnipanzer
April 3rd 2012
21660 Comments


"The music scene there was just kids playing screamo shit."

I lol'd

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


http://soundcloud.com/zodiacbeat

jdennis31
April 3rd 2012
6511 Comments


grazi senor

SeaAnemone
April 3rd 2012
20970 Comments


I know what you were implying, but this has been an ongoing issue since the first mixtape. It's just been bought back into the spotlight recently because Rose has a release due out soon and zines are trying to build hype by alluding to his background with The Weeknd. I remember when P4k reviewed HoB and included Rose in the production team they received an e-mail from the XO crew where they attempted to distance themselves from Rose. The interview with Rose is recent, but the beef is old


erm, I know the beef is old and it's been an ongoing issue, obviously... what's new is Rose making a public issue about it, right? I'm saying there's a possibility he's only bringing it up now for publicity. He specifically says in the interview that for a long time he hesitated to make an issue out of it (until now, apparently) even though others tried to convince him to.

Soooooo yeah... in that sense it hasn't really been an ongoing issue, has it?

AggravatedYeti
April 3rd 2012
7685 Comments


^ not ongoing to public consumption sure but these insinuations have been murmurous rumbles for a while now.

Just finally blew up. Understand what you're getting at tho Eric : )

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


Some webzine contacted him and asked him some questions and he answered, its not like he opened up a dialogue on some public forum and had a good cry about it

And the fact that he hasn't been paid or credited for it yet obviously wants to be would imply that it's an ongoing issue

Erm, sooooo..... etc etc

SeaAnemone
April 3rd 2012
20970 Comments


My mistake, I assumed that because an interview had been conducted it that he had initiated it in some way... that certainly changes the circumstances a little : p

--------------------------------------

and this is only vaguely related but:

I < 3 YETI

omnipanzer
April 3rd 2012
21660 Comments


"(until now, apparently)"

It read to me as they had sought him out or at the very least were completely aware of who he was. The interviewer brought up his getting credit on the older blog entries.

AggravatedYeti
April 3rd 2012
7685 Comments


awww shucks : )

Tijnmans
April 3rd 2012
359 Comments


This is huh... wow

DotEight
April 3rd 2012
5643 Comments


If he's so pissy, why doesn't he take a fuckin midol, and record his own shit? Oh yeah that's because he can't. Abel's voice is awesome, and I bet his would be fucking awful.

johnnyblaze
April 3rd 2012
2637 Comments


lol did he ever claim to be a singer? irrelevant post is irrelevant.

he should've been in court months ago. i dont know why he's waiting.

Zorak
April 3rd 2012
3191 Comments


@DotEight the man still deserves his credit.

Omaha
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
10383 Comments


"If he's so pissy, why doesn't he take a fuckin midol, and record his own shit? Oh yeah that's because he can't. Abel's voice is awesome, and I bet his would be fucking awful."

In Other News:

Reviewers along the likes of Deviant., Rudy Klapper and Conrad Tao need to make an album pronto, or else all of their reviews are invalid. Good job Conrad!

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jefflebowski
April 3rd 2012
8257 Comments


'If he's so pissy, why doesn't he take a fuckin midol, and record his own shit? Oh yeah that's because he can't. Abel's voice is awesome, and I bet his would be fucking awful.'

On the same tack, how about we get Tesfaye a console and let him record his own music? it is, after all, about 90% of what makes the Weeknd good.

Oh wait, you wouldn't, because it'd probably be shit

thomasj12e34
April 3rd 2012
195 Comments


funny thing is if rose's new mixtape sucks then everyone's opinion on the situation will change real fast

jefflebowski
April 3rd 2012
8257 Comments


it would if everyone was a massive bellend yea

BroFro
April 3rd 2012
405 Comments


I know the dude was trying to "take the higher ground" or whatever, but if he really wanted his money he should have
been crying about it as soon as House of Balloons blew up a year ago. Whoever said earlier it was a poor business
decision on his part is right.

That being said, Abel has so much money up his ass now, I don't see why he can't throw the guy a couple grand and
everybody just shut up about it.

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paxman
April 3rd 2012
4084 Comments


The three tracks that Rose worked on are coincidentally Weeknd's best songs.

paxman
April 3rd 2012
4084 Comments


"but if he really wanted his money he should have been crying about it as soon as House of Balloons blew up a year ago."

Just because this article was recently published does not mean that it's the first time Rose has said anything about it.

BroFro
April 3rd 2012
405 Comments


^yes it does, he even says in the article he didn't speak up about it. The only reason he is now is because the mag approached him to do the interview and, not coincidentally I'm sure, he's dropping an album soon and wants publicity.

Spec
April 3rd 2012
27298 Comments


Eric Sparrow shit here.

Niceinvader
April 3rd 2012
773 Comments


This is seriously disappointing.

sniper
April 3rd 2012
19079 Comments


the mixtape was also free, just saying, it's not like he was uncompensated for a platinum record or something, although i understand that the weeknd has generated other income. but tesfaye hasn't been paid a cent more than rose for those tracks, which is worth remembering. most pop stars don't write their own music, so they pay the people who write the songs for them. but they don't pay them based on the money they make on tour or w/e, they pay them for the actual recording. look, i think it boils down to this: if rose thought he had any ground to stand on asking for money, he would have done so a long time ago. he even says in the interview he gave them permission to use the stuff he worked on with abel.

sniper
April 3rd 2012
19079 Comments


you know what, fuck every other argument:

“You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.” “You can have those three or four tracks, I’ll give you the stems, just take ’em, but I don’t want to work with you anymore.”

Ire
April 3rd 2012
41828 Comments


stop being wrong

coneren
April 3rd 2012
11111 Comments


ire rules

plane
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
6100 Comments


Sniper conveniently leaving out "but at least give me some credit" for his own argument

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 3rd 2012
31629 Comments


Sniper when did you start becoming so wrong and silly?

sniper
April 3rd 2012
19079 Comments


yeah he should be credited, just not compensated.

final answer.

tkxxx7
April 4th 2012
6159 Comments


I don't find Sniper to be (completely) wrong.

I think he deserves some small compensation, but the credit is more important. In my mind, at least.

Captain North
April 4th 2012
6792 Comments


I think it's a bit bullshit blaming the guy for not putting something into contract. What happened to making music with friends? Saying its poor business decisions undermines the whole point in creating music.

taylormemer
April 4th 2012
4953 Comments


Not in this day and age. In fact not in any day and age. Making it formal saves a whole lot of this same 'bullshit' in the long run.

It doesn't even have to be overtly 'formal'. Just whack it in writing, date, sign, file that's it. If you don't do it, chances are that your gonna be wishing you did later on. It's just not even worth debating. And no it doesn't undermine creativity between two parties, it in fact reinforces it. Collaboration agreements are made all the time for obvious legal reasons and they're only there to solidify intent. It's the same as prenupt, it's same as any legally binding contract. And it is hardly a restrictive form of agreement beyond standard commonsense.

sniper
April 4th 2012
19079 Comments


^^^

Captain North
April 4th 2012
6792 Comments


I'm not saying its restrictive, just I really don't think it's something people think about when they're making music with mates. It doesn't seem like a business venture.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 4th 2012
31629 Comments


Yeah but the simple fact of the matter is that they were working on a "project", they weren't just screwing around on a Friday night after a few brews. You're entering into a partnership, an enterprise. Even if it is with friends there needs to be some kind of contractual agreement, just to guarantee insurance. It's common business practice, regardless of whatever intentions you may have for the final product

Jash
April 4th 2012
4244 Comments


"technically the versions of the songs that appeared on house of balloons are different."

I have a friend in Toronto who knows Abel and he sent me House Of Balloons/Glass Table Girls 2 months before the mixtape dropped and it was the same version as on the mixtape, same with "What You Need". The early version of "The Morning" was the only difference on the mixtape release.

It's lame this guy never got credit, but those 3 tracks dont take away from Abel's talent. Whatever this guy said about the whole grimy, drugged out, sex idea Abel has taken the small sketch and made it into something way bigger than it originally was. In interviews it's been said he goes into the booth and freestyles his lyrics, so it's not like he's singing someone else's words, he took and idea and ran with it.

sniper
April 4th 2012
19079 Comments


word.

Jash
April 4th 2012
4244 Comments


can't we all just XO till we overdose???

sniper
April 4th 2012
19079 Comments


hella down

foxxxyroxxx
April 4th 2012
496 Comments


my clan tag on mw3 is [ xo ] true story

Mekkalayakay
April 4th 2012
167 Comments


Compensation or not isn't really the argument for me - that kind of thing can be determined in a court room. The important thing is that there is definitely a HUGE amount of musical and conceptual credit due, especially if truth holds that Tesfaye was never initially heading in this Weeknd direction whatsoever.

kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 4th 2012
4957 Comments


Jash, you are right. He TOOK an idea and ran with it.

Jash
April 4th 2012
4244 Comments


An idea that wasn't THAT original in the first place, like this was the first time sex and drugs have been a main lyrical focus. Abel has always lived the lifestyle he sings about according to a friend of mine who knew him before he got huge, so it's not like Jeremy was all "it'd be cool to sing about drugs and fucking chicks" and then Abel goes out and starts doin tuckloads of M and brings X amount of woman to his loft so he can have something to sing about, he sings about what he does and has always done. If anything Jeremy was the one who made Abel think "Okay maybe if I sing about my bender last week people might actually be down to hear about it". As far as those 3 beats go, I do think it's a dick move that he didn't credit him, but this whole thing about the essence of The Weeknd being all Jeremy's is bullshit

kingsoby1
Emeritus
April 4th 2012
4957 Comments


Based on the interview, I'm going to have to completely disagree with you. Why didn't Abel take off before with the Noise? It's because he didn't have the idea.


Sure he's doing a great job running with it, but you see this all the time in business with other companies taking an established concept and turning it into something huge. If Rose didn't have the idea, none of this would have happened; it's that simple.

As an aside... dark/ electronic R&B IS an original idea, that's why it was never really done much/well before.

Mekkalayakay
April 5th 2012
167 Comments


Yeah, even after letting this information sit for a while to see if my mind would change, I still
think that Rose was very significant. If it weren't for him, Abel could still be a no-face doing
weekend Toronto gigs for chump change, regardless of how great his voice is.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
April 5th 2012
31629 Comments


Jash, you realize you're focusing on the lyrics for the most part? Rose clearly states in the interview that Abel always had lyrics floating around, and that he would freestyle over some of the beats that Rose had. No one's arguing that Abel didn't have the idea of detailing his supposed hedonistic lifestyle prior to Rose, but he certainly didn't have the means and the outlet to do so before. It wasn't Abel's idea to turn this into a big project; or, if it was, he clearly didn't think of it alone

sniper
April 5th 2012
19079 Comments


As an aside... dark/ electronic R&B IS an original idea, that's why it was never really done much/well before.
this. but people rip each other off for new sounds in music all the time, at least this guy will get some attention for being the creative force.

Jash
April 5th 2012
4244 Comments


Dev in the interview Rose says "before he was singing about oh I wanna see you in your bday suit and I said nah we gota get grimy" so he was trying to take credit for Abel's direction in lyrics. I'm not saying Rose wasn't a catalyst for this at all, but to say Abel is where he's at now because of Rose isn't true. Abel could've started off with those 3/4 songs of his which were amazing and then released a bunch of shit along side them, but we all know that's not the case. Not to mention Roses stuff is cool, but nothing he's done has come close to those couple beats, especially the original The Morning beat, if Abel had stuck with him he probably wouldn't be where he is now



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