RIAA Issues Statement
2012-01-26 by Deviant STAFF | 179 Comments
After days of speculation and conspiracy theories regarding the takedown of file-sharing website Megaupload, the vice-president of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has spoken out.

In a blogpost entitled 'Why Closing Megaupload Matters', Joshua P. Friedlander talks about a possible rise in digital music sales, similar to what happened in the aftermath of Limewire's demise in 2010.

“Collectively, this evidence strongly suggests that the shutdown of illegal sites helps create a thriving and diverse digital marketplace”, claims Friedlander. “It encourages users to go to legitimate sites, and enables great new services to be launched – like Spotify, which launched in the US last year and quickly signed up millions of new users. It’s always reassuring when the data we see in the market reflects what we thought was just common sense.”

At the time of this article, the blogpost is unavailable to read as, strangely, the RIAA's website is currently down (no idea how that happened....)


In related news, Kim Dotcom is, as being reported by MTV, working with Printz Board (creator of the Megaupload Mega Song) on his debut album. No word yet on how that album will be distributed
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Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 25th 2012
31629 Comments


Should be a rewarding and engaging listen

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mynameischan
Staff Reviewer
January 25th 2012
17945 Comments


scumbag riaa

AngelofDeath
Staff Reviewer
January 25th 2012
16137 Comments


Of course they're just going to look at the number of digital downloads of the mega-successful artists to justify their rhetoric. Sad they refuse to look at the broader picture.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 25th 2012
31629 Comments


Well I mean, its the RIAA. When have they ever cared about [insert struggling little-known indie band here]?

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 25th 2012
19069 Comments


bands dont need record companies anymore

the riaa can go rot in hell

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eternium
January 25th 2012
16340 Comments


I mean, seriously. The last huge album that the RIAA has had was The Carter III. They keep spitting out shit and expecting people to buy it in mass numbers like it was Dark Side of the Moon again or something.

AngelofDeath
Staff Reviewer
January 25th 2012
16137 Comments


Let's occupy this dude's house.

Relinquished
January 25th 2012
26014 Comments


strangely, the RIAA's website is currently down (no idea how that happened....)


hahahaha

poorzack
January 25th 2012
80 Comments


Kill it with fire.

ShadowRemains
January 25th 2012
21643 Comments


the riaa can go rot in hell


this times ∞

IAmHollywood
January 25th 2012
1443 Comments


he could have finished that blog a lot sooner if he just put 'we did it because we want more money.'

iFghtffyrdmns
January 25th 2012
7047 Comments


^ i might second that (the bomb comment)

Parallels
January 25th 2012
6643 Comments


"In a blogpost entitled 'Why Closing Megaupload Matters'"

what a prick

Scoot
January 25th 2012
17914 Comments


well shit

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astrel
January 25th 2012
2614 Comments


RIAA Issues Statement: http://youtu.be/EPuCY1KF9nM

ILJ
January 25th 2012
6743 Comments


"Why Closing Megaupload helps us and not music artists"

Fucking faggots.

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Blackbelt54
January 25th 2012
4276 Comments


wow

Zion
January 25th 2012
812 Comments


Hasn't this guy ever been told to go suck a fuck

Ididthis
January 25th 2012
15 Comments


History in front of us, I'd say. There's this very strong lead, that the rest of the world is
following.

My question is, when do we stop having possibility to use web as we wish.

liledman
January 25th 2012
3826 Comments


"enables great new services to be launched – like Spotify, which launched in the US last year and quickly signed up millions of new users."

i got an email newsletter from mode records, a new york based modern classical independent label, detailing the pitfalls of these streaming services. yeah its a label complaining, but remember they own the copyright for the recording. anyway:

"As an example, Mode had 28,060 streams via one of these services in January and we were paid a total of $6.2034!"

so i guess its safe to assume that the artists are making fuck all from those types of sites.

Chrisjon89
January 26th 2012
3833 Comments


It'd be ridiculous if that happens considering the owner isn't the one uploading or downloading the material, and filesharing is completely legitimate provided it's not breaching copyright. I know that's why everyone uses these sites but that's not the fault of the owner.

To use an analogy, it's like....well it's like something.

patman1001
January 26th 2012
1012 Comments


god this guy is such a cunt

Zion
January 26th 2012
812 Comments


All streaming services are is legal pirating. Artists get jack from it, there's a nice little graphic out there I wish I could find which shows just how much artists make from all of these services (Pandora, Last.FM, Spotify, etc), I want to say it's in the ball park of 0.0003 cents per play.

Scoot
January 26th 2012
17914 Comments


"Collectively, this evidence strongly suggests that the shutdown of illegal sites helps create a thriving and diverse digital marketplace."

what the fuck is the difference when the artists themselves make fuck all either way

i'd rather not give you bastards any and get the songs for free, then go to newly discovered bands' shows to support them

Zion
January 26th 2012
812 Comments


I know that's why everyone uses these sites but that's not the fault of the owner.


True, however the allegations are that the owner actively encouraged the sharing of copyrighted material with incentives, whatever that means. Thus he conspired, hence the conspiracy charges. And I could see him doing it. He knew perfectly well what his service was largely used for and would profit from encouraging it. He just may not have covered his ass well enough (or at all if their allegations are correct.)

cirq
January 26th 2012
9265 Comments


lick my crusty asshole

JAV
January 26th 2012
1972 Comments


I'm gonna sue all car companies because their vehicles allow people to break the law.

Athom
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
17231 Comments


Smaller bands still need labels. You guys have no idea how expensive physical media is to create.
Especially when it comes down to things like vinyl. Most of the smaller bands you listen don't make
money. They work real jobs so that they can pay for their band. Even bigger bands. Take Thursday for
example. Those dudes were broke and if I remember right half of that band was living in their
practice space because they couldn't afford rent anymore. Even more when a band tours they don't
make money, they hope to god that they break even. Even bands on decent sized tours. Take for
example all those medium sized bands that you see playing on packed bills at places like the house
of blues and shit. The headliner gets around 600 per show in their guarantee but the support gets
about 200-300. then that band has to factor in their gas cost to get to the next show in a van that
gets 10mpg. then after that you have to split that money 4 to 6 ways. and that's not even taking
into account paying for all the physical product/vehicle maintenance/food/lodging/booking manager
etc etc etc that goes into it. now think of your DIY bands that go out there and fund their tours
for a quarter of the door or on donation or for 50 dollar guarantees. they're fucking boned. theres
no money in music at all unless you really make it huge. then once you already have a massive
fanbase you can dictate your terms, but until then it's fucking survival.


oh and i forgot to mention that they get fucked on merch too because not only do most headliners set
the merch prices in order to make their own shirts look like a better deal, the venues take up to
half of the money on merch sales as their percentage.

WeepingBanana
January 26th 2012
10217 Comments


this is bafflingly stupid

Butkuiss
January 26th 2012
4253 Comments


@Zion
Tell me, how exactly does one suck a fuck?

Want to hear this Kim album. Lolz will be had.

Chrisjon89
January 26th 2012
3833 Comments


"He knew perfectly well what his service was largely used for and would profit from encouraging it."

True. I haven't read those allegations. If I was the owner under fire, I'd hire a clever lawyer and argue that the site is just a vehicle for (ideally legitimate) filesharing. Any piracy that occurs is the fault of the users and that they actively take down links in breach of copyright at the request of labels etc. It's kind of ridiculous that these guys take the fall I think. It's pretty lazy and unfair really to stamp out these sites but just a much easier solution than trying to go after all of us individually.

It's an inconvenience to me. I understand them wanting to look after their shit and not have people acquire it for free (alot of people don't seem to understand that). I think they're going about it the wrong way but it's obvious that they don't really know how to react.

Parallels
January 26th 2012
6643 Comments


"Smaller bands still need labels. You guys have no idea how expensive physical media is to create. Especially when it comes down to things like vinyl. Most of the smaller bands you listen don't make money. They work real jobs so that they can pay for their band. Even bigger bands. Take Thursday for example. Those dudes were broke and if I remember right half of that band was living in their practice space because they couldn't afford rent anymore. Even more when a band tours they don't make money, they hope to god that they break even. Even bands on decent sized tours. Take for example all those medium sized bands that you see playing on packed bills at places like the house of blues and shit. The headliner gets around 600 per show in their guarantee but the support gets about 200-300. then that band has to factor in their gas cost to get to the next show in a van that gets 10mpg. then after that you have to split that money 4 to 6 ways. and that's not even taking into account paying for all the physical product/vehicle maintenance/food/lodging/booking manager etc etc etc that goes into it. now think of your DIY bands that go out there and fund their tours for a quarter of the door or on donation or for 50 dollar guarantees. they're fucking boned. theres no money in music at all unless you really make it huge. then once you already have a massive fanbase you can dictate your terms, but until then it's fucking survival."

This so much.

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


"theres no money in music at all unless you really make it huge."

thats why you do it because you love it. and with the advent of the internet your music doesn't absolutely need physical releases to be heard by many people. physical releases can come with time, record companies no longer need to exist for exposure

deathofasalesman
January 26th 2012
5871 Comments


JAV wins.

Athom
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
17231 Comments


digital media helps you get your name out there, yes, but it doesnt help you when you're touring. that was a big part of my argument. also labels get you media exposure that throwing your shit up on bandcamp cant, that being print media. im not advocating things like the major players but there are a ton of people who put in hard work helping bands survive who work for or run labels even if it's just someone in their garage.

Parallels
January 26th 2012
6643 Comments


lololololololo JAV

ShadowRemains
January 26th 2012
21643 Comments


JAV wins.


this

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


JAV doesn't win you're all just dumb so you think his analogy works

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ShadowRemains
January 26th 2012
21643 Comments


actually i just liked it for teh lulz

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


"im not advocating things like the major players but there are a ton of people who put in hard work helping bands survive who work for or run labels even if it's just someone in their garage."

i was thinking about this earlier actually, because there are actually some really cool labels out there. but my guess is that they would have to be small enough and be run by a person that has the same idea of music consumption as the bands do. i like to see it as a music collective, kind of like a commune, rather than a label if that makes any sense at all

Athom
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
17231 Comments


so basically you're throwing large sized labels like epitaph/anti, merge, fat wreck, arts & crafts, southern lord and vagrant under the bus even though they promote their asses off and work insanely hard for their bands just because they are a for-profit business? that's pretty asinine.

WeepingBanana
January 26th 2012
10217 Comments


everyone go buy some Love American shirts!!!

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


not exactly my idea of large labels but alright we can go with that

Athom
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
17231 Comments


well, they are on the bigger sizes of their respective genres and deal with millions of dollars in sales/inventory.

Athom
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
17231 Comments


it happens all the time and is standard practice. you're just oblivious to it. im not talking about
things like DIY tours and playing punk houses and shit, but if you play at the house of blues or the
roxy or the key club or the whiskey or the viper room or the el rey or the avalon or the music box
this is exactly what happens.

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


what i meant was that the labels can be condensed enough to be run with the artist still basically controlling almost everything that goes on with his or her band. all the labels you listed fall under that category for me.

but i still believe that the the internet has much more power when it comes to exposure than most people give it credit. so much so that physical sales would benefit from the large amount of exposure free digital transfer actually does offer. were not talking about people stealing cd's here, were basically talking about a mass scale "hey bro can you burn tha cd for me?" "filesharing" basically existed before the internet in a different form, but now it has become a much more organized process

ILJ
January 26th 2012
6743 Comments


Bands do need record labels to an extent, but what they DON'T need is the fucking RIAA. RIAA doesn't care about the artists at all, only the money in their pockets. I'm totally for an anti-piracy solution, I hate not supporting the artists I love, but I refuse to pay 10-15 dollars an album when the artists themselves get little profit from it, and I hardly ever get to preview the album in its entirety before purchase.

You give me a reasonably priced anti-piracy solution, one that even someone that downloads as much music as I do can afford, then I will GLADLY jump on board.

Athom
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
17231 Comments


@andcas read this http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/expensive_white_ts_the_politics_of_price_matching

Ignimbrite
January 26th 2012
5507 Comments


is RIAA a post-rock band or something

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


so much so that physical sales would actually benefit from the large amount of exposure free digital transfer actually does offer.

there's no way you seriously believe this

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


^^^actually, there is precedent for that, and someone even cited it:

Carter III

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


(obviously not the norm though lol)

Emim
January 26th 2012
26675 Comments


Joshua P. Friedlander talks about a possible rise in digital music sales, similar to what happened in the aftermath of Limewire's demise in 2010.


oh fuck this guy

Emim
January 26th 2012
26675 Comments


the people that used limewire were the only ones that listened to their shitty music

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


who the fuck downloaded music via megaupload anyway?

Scoot
January 26th 2012
17914 Comments


ugh my eyes

patman1001
January 26th 2012
1012 Comments


i was gonna say something about the subject, but i think ill keep staring at emim's avatar instead.

North0House2
January 26th 2012
5889 Comments


What turds.

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SLAUGHTERDOZER
January 26th 2012
278 Comments


satellite proving why hes a shitty user itt

also lol piracy

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


...

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


@satty i do but it would be nice if you disagree to actually provide a counterpoint argument rather than something like that. i mean, i really dont know why anymore, but i like to actually discuss things on this site

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


lol this thread was doomed when someone commented:

wow could this be more biased




Athom
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
17231 Comments


yeah im not talking about DIY tours. im talking about things like the tours you see advertised in a quarter panel of altpress or AMP

Emim
January 26th 2012
26675 Comments


let's just hug it out and go back to being friends

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
January 26th 2012
8946 Comments


"It encourages users to go to legitimate sites, and enables great new services to be launched"

and ironically megaupload was about to launch a legitimate site for music before you closed the fucking site

idiots

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


but yr claim had no basis in reality. i don't think i need to write an essay to back up the fact that what you said makes no sense. instead i'll post a chart...

http://tinyurl.com/787t68j

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


youre implying that the decline is 100% due to piracy

it's a much larger story than just napster... the music industry got RAPED by Apple.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


hey sat[2]

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


nah i didn't mean imply that per se, but there isn't a single factor more responsible for the industry's decline than piracy. i mean, logic dictates that people used to buy albums because that was the only way of attaining music, and now that's not the case.

btw i download a shitload of music illegally and i don't lose any sleep and i'm not trying to make it look like i give a shit about the riaa.

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


hi coneren new user dildozer

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


that chart is all well and good, but it doesnt encompass the entire picture. im mainly concerned with musicians who make music which is still valued on physical format. me as an example, ive spent more money in the years that ive had access the the wealth of information on the internet that i ever did before, because i value having albums i like on something worth it. piracy may not help the big guys, but i still believe that it does help out the little guys to some extent

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


i know that, and i'm not even really defending Hyperion's point (because its impractical)... all i'm saying is that there is some truth to the wild rationalizations of benevolent pirates/criminal audiophiles

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


well yeah, i mean hardcore music fans and vinyl nerds like the people who populate music websites like this one obviously benefit from using filesharing to make more informed purchases and discover more music than previously possible, but we're by far the minority.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


i still believe that it does help out the little guys to some extent


it just lowers the bar. trading off more exposure (and thus, more bands) with a lower aggregate sales volume. You seem to be stressing the good effects; Sat's point is that the harm has outweighed the good.

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


also im not saying that piracy per se if the best method of getting your band recognized, but the way music, and most information for that matter, is being transferred has been completely revolutionized. piracy is just one of the first forms because the old ways are essentially still in place.

Captain North
January 26th 2012
6792 Comments


And as, if you're playing at really decent sized venue, they are definitely going to take a cut

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


"it just lowers the bar. trading off more exposure (and thus, more bands) with a lower aggregate sales volume."

ill would agree with that point

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
31629 Comments


but the way music, and most information for that matter, is being transferred has been completely revolutionized.


I disgaree with this, because the old ways are still, in a sense, the best ways. Free (online) press is still the greatest thing for a struggling young band

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


@dev im not sure i understand. i meant the fact that information from all across the globe can be transported essentially anywhere in a very very short amount of time to many people as opposed to before the internet existed.

RooseveltsGhost
January 26th 2012
863 Comments


“Collectively, this evidence strongly suggests that the shutdown of illegal sites helps create a thriving and diverse digital marketplace”, claims Friedlander.

Do they really think they can pass that off as their motive? I am fucking insulted.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
31629 Comments


You're talking about how how information regarding an artist can be accessed by anyone in the world now (the internet etc) and how that has been revolutionized. While that might be true, I believe that the old school way of simply talking about and hyping these struggling artists surpasses all these revolutionary new ways to access music for free

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


yeah, of course, most of the music i like i heard because someone somewhere said, dude check out this band. and thats essentially whats happening on the internet, just look at the way blogs have sort of taken over this role.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


is that english

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
31629 Comments


yeah, of course, most of the music i like i heard because someone somewhere said, dude check out this band. and thats essentially whats happening on the internet, just look at the way blogs have sort of taken over this role.


And yet I think that blogs (not all, but some) have greatly contributed to the decline in physical sales, simply because the majority of them are focused only on spreading links. Sure, they're essentially also acting as another conduit, another link in the chain regarding hype for that artist(s) but the fact that they so blatantly advertise it as "download here" isn't helping things.

In fact it's sites like Sputnik, where as a community, we're flushing out excellent artists and hyping them up to the point where people are willing to shell out money on them. perhaps because we don't offer them the chance to download, but I'd like to think that the written review has that kind of power to make you want to part with your hard earned money over say, one mate sharing a dl link with another mate

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


hahah 'mates sharing with other mates'

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


sputnik's annual civil/informed discussion itt

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


you guys cant tell but im wearing a tie and nice shoes

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
31629 Comments


I'm just saying, I'm immensely proud of the fact that I, along with a few others were able to help Swarms raise enough money through the attention that we gave them to give Old Raves End a vinyl run. That would never have happened if it were just blogs posting a dl link

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


the problem i have with that though is that you dont necessarily agree with everyone all of the time. the power to physically listen to an entire album before you buy an have your own opinion is a powerful thing.

thats why i have the utmost respect for bands that stream their albums in full with good quality before release. thats one of the best ways to get paying customers.

once again, im not necessarily saying that piracy is "good" per se, just that it is essentially the harbinger of a new era of information consumption, and the old ways are going to have to be phased out in light of the new ways of doing things

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


yeah, that is pretty rad dev. i'd like to think that my incessantly hyping bands like btmi/laura + the cans/the state lottery has resulted in at least a drop in the bucket for them.

i'd like to be known for more than just contributing sporadic dick jokes, is what i'm saying.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
31629 Comments


And see, now this is where you and me end up in heated argument. I'm not disagreeing with you, and to be honest I download shit all the time so I can hear it and make a conscious decision as to whether or not I'm going to buy the album. But I download it because the link is right there in front of me, if it wasn't I'd just go to their website, or soundcloud or whatever. Downloading has only become such an enormous entity because it is so much simpler than anything else

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


dude u should be proud... but also i think your debate with hyperion may not be what it seems... it may be a question of semantics

for example, when most people discuss "the effect of the blogosphere on the music industry," they're including sites like sputnik, pitchfork, absolutepunk, etc... online publications (in general) are what i think hyperion was referring to... any site with the element of user-generated or community-generated content that spreads awareness of an artist's craft... not just individual blogs posting download links

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
31629 Comments


Well me personally, I wouldn't put RollingPitchNik in the same category as "some kid's blog"

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


well WE wouldn't

but the people running numbers for the RIAA do

Zion
January 26th 2012
812 Comments


I actually went on a spree of buying CDs (when I had the funds) of small artists who I had previously pirated. I read an interview with one of my all time favorite artists, who releases everything on his own tiny label, in which he said "music is all I do. It's what puts food on my table." Now, I could argue (poorly), "do it cause you love it" and steal his music, but that did kinda make me think about it, so I bought his stuff. I generally try to use the listen to preview as a rule of thumb now. If I listen to something and it's meh, I don't usually waste my HD space keeping it. If it's awesome, I buy it.*

*well I try damnit...

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


I agree that the internet has made it easier to find new bands, but there were plenty of ways before it came around. Mtv
played actual music videos, the radio played a more diverse selection of artists, there were tons of music magazines that
all featured a review section and often came with label-backed samplers. Century Media, for example, released a
compilation every year that was just $1.99 and was full of artists no one had ever heard.

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Athom
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
17231 Comments


when i read "blogosphere" in print media about music i assume it's talking about sites like this included, just like when I read it regarding politics i assume they really mean "the huffington post says..."

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


i always just assume it's a meaningless buzzword that journalists like to resort to

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


i think we disagree on less than you think, because i essentially agree with what you said. and i really enjoy the fact that you satty and acad actually discussed this. things can get a little heated on here sometimes, as were all well aware of.

now one of the things i do think downloading and filesharing has that is absolutely a positive is the sharing of rarities. and by that i mean things that are just no longer in print. those are the kinds of things i am really glad i was able to find and actually download.

Zion
January 26th 2012
812 Comments


once again, im not necessarily saying that piracy is "good" per se, just that it is essentially the harbinger of a new era of information consumption, and the old ways are going to have to be phased out in light of the new ways of doing things


This... fighting piracy will go on forever with gains made by either side. Eventually people (as some have) will have to adapt and get innovative in how they market themselves whether they like it or not.

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


punk-o-rama comps

/nostalgia

Zion
January 26th 2012
812 Comments


Mtv played actual music videos


It's sad that this makes me feel old. It's been so long.

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


--@willie, I actually miss the days when you had to get off your fat ass to find out about a band. --

I remember when I was little and I would go to the grocery store with my mom whenever she went shopping and just stand in the magazine aisle reading music magazines for their reviews of stuff I had never heard, and I'd write down the interesting ones and wait for the weekend to skate down to a CD store that was like a mile and a half away (not in the snow uphill both ways, this is San Diego) to try to find a few of them. If they didn't click immediately, it didn't matter because that's all you had for another week or two so you tried and tried again and eventually a lot of them would click.

Hyperion1001
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
19069 Comments


ehh i tend to not give a shit about music videos anyways, especially metal, because it usually consists of 5 dudes headbanging in some morbid area for a few minutes

id much rather watch a band playing live with good quality than a music video

that being said there are awesome music videos out there

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


i reverse engineered my music taste from the weird al parodies

Zion
January 26th 2012
812 Comments


Edit because Sputnik decided to massacre the formatting of my post. Megarage.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


no that's circular

Zion
January 26th 2012
812 Comments


no that's circular


True... but then again I should have been asleep hours ago, every thought is circular to me right now.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


hahaha same

does anybody know if the new 90210 is worth watching?

i'm going to go make some pizza rolls

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


--@willie, I grew up in socal as well so that was also the story of my life. I used to ride my bike down to a tower records or get lost in virgin at the block in orange like an adventure.--

We had indie stores like Off the Record and Lou's Records that had all kinds of obscure punk and alternative, and then Blue Meanie Records a little bit inland that was nothing but random obscure metal (owned by the drummer of Psychotic Waltz). But I never wasted a chance to get into Tower Records in Long Beach whenever I got old enough to drive.

Satellite
January 26th 2012
20826 Comments


i want to watch flyin ryan

JAV
January 26th 2012
1972 Comments


JAV doesn't win you're all just dumb so you think his analogy works

srs bsns
awww my heart for you does not show up.
Sadness overwhelms.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
January 26th 2012
50960 Comments


Let's watch flyin ryan together

Digging: Friendzone - Collection 1

gabethepiratesquid
January 26th 2012
4521 Comments


There sure are a lot of people who think they're entitled to free music.

AsoTamaki
January 26th 2012
2525 Comments


Lol. No one is entitled to free music, but only a fool wouldn't love free music and how easy things are now.

Scoot
January 26th 2012
17914 Comments


in comes captain gabe to set us all straight

AsoTamaki
January 26th 2012
2525 Comments


This is just an extension of his never-ending crusade to defend every mainstream pop artist. They've been losing money!

robin
Emeritus
January 26th 2012
4261 Comments


i would obviously suffer from not having file-sharing when it comes to consuming music but i would also feel pretty good about it via adam's posts

Voivod
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
6344 Comments


What RIAA did will deteriorate sales in the long run.

Those who buy records with a certain rate, because the had first listened to it through file sharing, will buy less records now, as they are going to be less aware of records they might like owning in physical format.

In principle one who does buy records, may read a great and objective review about a record, but listening to it will finally convince him to buy or not to buy.


Those who wouldn't buy anything anyway, the will continue doing the same.

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insomniac15
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
3505 Comments


people need to buy more CDs, it's a more rewarding experience (and maybe lower the price in some of regions of the world, instead of converting the US/UK market price, where people have lower salaries)

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omgraptors
January 26th 2012
819 Comments


"I mean, seriously. The last huge album that the RIAA has had was The Carter III. They keep spitting out shit and expecting people to buy it in mass numbers like it was Dark Side of the Moon again or something."

yeah and the last diamond record was like a decade ago...

Acanthus
January 26th 2012
9545 Comments


Liars.

Digging: MO - No Mythologies To Follow

taylormemer
January 26th 2012
4953 Comments


What happened to the good ol' days? Oh wait...

Butkuiss
January 26th 2012
4253 Comments


$30 AU for a decent CD around here. And they wonder why the industry is dying.

gabethepiratesquid
January 26th 2012
4521 Comments


@Aso: Yeah. Fuck anything that isn't giving my baby Ke$ha all the money she deserves.

you can all pirate Katy Perry, though. Fuck her.

Cells
January 26th 2012
1875 Comments


fuck that im tired of paying a dollar for 1 fuckin song

ThePac
January 26th 2012
219 Comments


gabe how old are you like 10?

gabethepiratesquid
January 26th 2012
4521 Comments


12, why?

Voivod
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
6344 Comments


$30 AU for a decent CD around here. And they wonder why the industry is dying.




There, the situation described in one sentence.

Tijnmans
January 26th 2012
359 Comments


Question is how are artist now gonna leak their matarial?

AsoTamaki
January 26th 2012
2525 Comments


CDs are cheaper in most cases than they were 20 years ago. The price of everything else has gone up.

Haha, gabe...

Voivod
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
6344 Comments


CDs are cheaper in most cases than they were 20 years ago.

If you are buying from the net, probably yes.

If you are buying from retail stores, though, chances are you will be robbed...

AsoTamaki
January 26th 2012
2525 Comments


Eh, not in my experience. I know there are the dedicated record stores that may sell music at a premium, but even those tend to be at the price CDs used to be. It's certainly not more expensive. There are more stores like Best Buy where you may not be able to find your underground favorites, but there is still a fairly wide selection. Also, as you say, there is the net. Most artists (especially the smaller ones) will have something set up where you can purchase directly through their website.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
January 26th 2012
22062 Comments


CDs in France (not sure about other eurozone countries) are ridiculousy expensive. Seen them for €20-30, and that seems to be the norm. Not just for new CDs either

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Voivod
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
6344 Comments


CDs in France (not sure about other eurozone countries) are ridiculousy expensive. Seen them for €20-30, and that seems to be the norm. Not just for new CDs either

In Greece the prices are steadily between €16-20, even for records issued 10-15 years ago.

What is the point in charging a 10-15 year old record €16-20, it is beyond me...

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
January 26th 2012
8946 Comments


CDs in France (not sure about other eurozone countries) are ridiculousy expensive. Seen them for €20-30, and that seems to be the norm. Not just for new CDs either


new cd's in the uk that aren't on really well known labels tend to go for about £15 minimum which is ridiculous. the ones that are on well known labels go for about £10.

ChuckyTruant
January 26th 2012
15725 Comments



i was gonna say something about the subject, but i think ill keep staring at emim's avatar instead. [2]


ChuckyTruant
January 26th 2012
15725 Comments


But yes, this still helps no one but the RIAA

Recspecs
January 26th 2012
9831 Comments


Fuck this shit. RIAA can suck it.

Killerhit
January 26th 2012
5381 Comments


Who cares about the RIAA's opinion

chesse13
January 26th 2012
4301 Comments


Maye if they learn to harness the power of the Internet instead of just shunning it away and closing sites things would be better. 1.29 a song on iTunes is BS

Killerhit
January 26th 2012
5381 Comments


2012 so far is a fuckin train wreck

Curse.
Contributing Reviewer
January 26th 2012
8021 Comments


Pirating music on the Internet is my one moment of feeling like a badass for breaking the law in any given week, even weed is decriminalized here. Whenever I download an album online Wanted Dead Or Alive plays in my head

MebalZahari
January 26th 2012
74 Comments


F you Lars

DaisyHill
January 26th 2012
168 Comments


I pirated the upsides by the wonder years, I now own a vinyl of that album, four shirts, a hoodie, a poster banner thing, the cd of suburbia and have seen them live twice, all because someone on here hyped them so much and I decided to check them out as I wouldn't lose anything by pirating, thanks to andcas btw

itchy
January 26th 2012
244 Comments


"All streaming services are is legal pirating. Artists get jack from it, there's a nice little graphic out there I wish I could find which shows just how much artists make from all of these services (Pandora, Last.FM, Spotify, etc), I want to say it's in the ball park of 0.0003 cents per play."

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/

I think you might be talking about this one? It's clear why small labels dropped out of the Spotify service once they realized that they (and their artists) would make no money and that their already diminutive album sales would shrink even more.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
January 26th 2012
28829 Comments


i can't help you fix yourself


but at least i can say i tried




















i'm sorry but i've got to move on with my own life


Emim
January 26th 2012
26675 Comments


Century Media, for example, released a
compilation every year that was just $1.99 and was full of artists no one had ever heard.


samplers are usually great. even with this site and blogs and such, I still use samplers from time to time to find new bands.

Photon
January 26th 2012
1292 Comments


Streaming services do NOT make any money for artists.

For eg: Jon Hopkins tweeted that he got paid £8 for 90000 plays by spotify!

TechieCore
January 26th 2012
662 Comments


The RIAA is still stuck in the late 90's - early 00's, when it wasn't uncommon for an album to sell millions of copies in a matter of a few weeks.

But they need to get with the program. Those days are long gone. I can guarantee you there will never be another album that will break 10 million copies in hard sales like Eminem, OutKast, and Linkin Park did in the turn of the millennium.

XingKing
January 26th 2012
11079 Comments


Just pirate the music you want and if you want to support the band, contact them and tell them you want to donate $10-$20 for their music so that they directly get 100%. I assure you it works and most bands are thrilled.

paxman
January 26th 2012
4084 Comments


I has the diariaa

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
January 26th 2012
50960 Comments


I can guarantee you there will never be another album that will break 10 million copies in hard sales

21 by Adele has sold 17 million so far. Worldwide mind you, but I know it's the biggest album in the UK in a long time

paxman
January 26th 2012
4084 Comments


Nah, you're forgetting the Scorpions have a new album coming out.

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


Streaming services like Spotify don't make the artists any money directly, but I've bought about a dozen CDs that I've been able to hear through that service. CDs that I wouldn't have ever thought about downloading to check out.

Acanthus
January 26th 2012
9545 Comments


I can see the appeal of Spotify, but honestly I just use blogs/Sputnik/Beatport for most of my music updates.

Emim
January 26th 2012
26675 Comments


Just putting this out there, but I've bought at least a dozen if not more CDs that I've downloaded first.

pcar
January 26th 2012
530 Comments


Streaming services like Spotify not really helping artists directly isn't really that big of a deal considering they get their money through live shows rather than sales

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


Which is a bullshit justification for stealing music that you would otherwise buy.

Acanthus
January 26th 2012
9545 Comments


I don't see a point in attempting to justify stealing music anymore, eventually the social value will
change and it won't be such a faux pas anymore. Until then enjoy your tunes, and buy when you can.

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


Hopefully that never comes true.

loveisamixtape
January 26th 2012
6274 Comments


i love how they try to make it sound like they give a shit about the artists

pcar
January 26th 2012
530 Comments


"Which is a bullshit justification for stealing music that you would otherwise buy. "

yea man why would anybody want to go see awesome artists live

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


Go see them live, but it doesn't justify stealing something they've produced.

Acanthus
January 26th 2012
9545 Comments


Hopefully that never comes true.

I can understand this, at the same time I'd have to think long and hard about whether I can agree or not. I definitely enjoy the artists who release things for free, at the same time I enjoy how Beatport does music sales and if I had more money could live just fine with a similar business model.

Perhaps the artists will pave the way for change, whether it be completely free or a more acceptable fee.

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


That's the issue. The record labels ripped people off for so long with inflated prices and albums full of filler that backlash was inevitable. Unfortunately the artists are feeling the backlash not the labels and greedy execs. When's the last time one of them didn't get their bonus?

pcar
January 26th 2012
530 Comments


"Go see them live, but it doesn't justify stealing something they've produced. "

I guess that's just too bad. CD sales pale in comparison to merchandise, live show sales and media spots. Programs like Spotify and sites like Megaupload are what get otherwise completely unknown artists out there.

Acanthus
January 26th 2012
9545 Comments


I know, and I'm not sure what the artists themselves can do about it tbh

Emim
January 26th 2012
26675 Comments


Which is a bullshit justification for stealing music that you would otherwise buy.


Well, no, because I wouldn't have listened to it otherwise. I'm not trying to make any justifications for downloading music (none really can be made). I was just equating similar functions.

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


@pcar: that's all true, but if you would buy a CD but don't because you can steal it off the Internet then there's no excuse no matter how much other shit you buy.

trepator
January 26th 2012
8 Comments


Great booklets sell albums... Just sayin'

Emim
January 26th 2012
26675 Comments


Unless you weren't talking to me, Trey, in which case GO [insert sports team]

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


@emim: if you wouldn't have listened to it then you wouldn't have bought it, which falls outside of what I'm talking about.

pcar
January 26th 2012
530 Comments


"@pcar: that's all true, but if you would buy a CD but don't because you can steal it off the Internet then there's no excuse no matter how much other shit you buy. "

Let's not get too carried away. Legality isn't a moral issue. Programs like Spotify that "steal" from artists are just as legal as downloading from Megaupload is illegal. Hopefully I'm not misinterpreting what you're saying.

Willie
Moderator
January 26th 2012
16149 Comments


I agree that services like Spotify are grey areas. They're legal but the only reason they're tolerated is because the labels are desperate at this point. If music sales were good Spotify couldn't exist. On the other hand, I do use Spotify because I'm human like everyone else and it's easier to convince myself to buy something attached to Spotify than to buy something I've already downloaded free and clear.

paxman
January 26th 2012
4084 Comments


Hey guys mediafire is still up go download a shit ton of new music and shut your pie holes love you

Ignimbrite
January 26th 2012
5507 Comments


spree

DarkNoctus
Contributing Reviewer
January 26th 2012
8946 Comments


what.cd spreeeee [:

Ignimbrite
January 27th 2012
5507 Comments


yay, i got on a couple days ago :]

i can't upload torrents b/c my mac is being dumb though :[



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