Yeah I read this bullshit and it surprises me how difficult they have to make everything. Just release the goddam album like normal. Make Time II the reward for the crowd funding and drop The Forest Seasons already.

but then they won't get their magick studiooooooooooo

So wait: you can only get the new album if you help fund his studio? Fuck that noise

"Give us money for a product we've already completed even though it wasn't what we were promising fans for years"

I didn't really get that part either. It really looks like you can only get the new record if you help crowdfund the next one. if thats the case Jari won't see a penny from me ever again.

fuck this band

I kinda doubt that's what Nuclear Blast would let happen--especially if they gave this whole thing their blessing by putting it on their site in the first place. I'm assuming NB will let Wintersun do this little preorder thing to fund their sauna, then sell the record normally themselves afterward. The article only mentions the Forest Package being like a "pre-order" of the album, so NB might just be letting them more-or-less use this funding as a cash advance of sorts. It'd create buzz about the album for when NB actually starts selling copies, so they probably won't make out too poorly with it, by my estimation.

Fuck Jari.

I'm not paying to help build a studio for the band. Nope nope.

Nuclear Blast is NB not NP

why do i get the feeling that Jari may be slighty unpleasant to work with

What makes this band think that in order to produce music, you need your own personal studio? This is as fucked as politicians expenditure accounts..."I need a private plane paid for by tax payers so I can do my job".

It's not right to use a crowd funding campaign for luxuries, which this clearly is. Most bands taking this route are happy to scrape some cash together from their fans just so they can afford a bit of studio time to lay down and produce their tracks, this is just overboard.

because blah blah the songs on Time I all had >1000 tracks each (whatever that even means) and so take a loooot of work to put together so obviously it'd just be easier and quicker if they had their own studio they could go to whenever instead of just scheduling time with literally any other studio in europe like everyone else does. What they need is a producer/engineer to slap jari around and show him how to actually make stuff sound good bc clearly he forgot how to do everything on Time I somehow since it sounded like a butt.

all bands should behave the same way and have the same expectations, cede the same amount of control to their technicians and be equally hospitable of their label's desires etc

i think power metal is total shit but i still want this guy to follow his insane dreams because weird ambitions are part of what make music interesting

Ne Obliviscaris is getting crowd funding so why shouldn't they?

article also said they want it to be the biggest metal crowdfunding ever. Shots fired.

I hope this band never meets their target

I hope they fail miserably.

Crowdfunded album? How distasteful, where's the soul?

they lost that somewhere between tracks 400 and 800

Lol shut up you ungrateful pieces of shit! They have earned the right to crowd fund.

Is Jari your bf?

Time sucked and they took like 10 years to release it. also Jari is a greedy asshole who makes up a bunch of bullshit excuses, so. yeah, they have the right to crowdfund. it just makes me have even less respect for him than i already did.

stop fanboying, bitch.

A proper studio is going to cost them a ton of money. I briefly glanced at the website and didn't see how much they are trying to raise or the different tiers for funding. Perhaps, it's not as crazy and egotistical as it sounds. If they are only asking for $10-15 that will go towards their studio, but you get a copy of their latest record then that would seem fair. Maybe I missed some crucial details.

@Brewtality91 The difference is that Ne Obliviscaris were literally scraping by and used crowdfunding to help with a world tour which is unheard of for metal bands in their neck of the woods. Wintersun's been pimped by Nuclear Blast for a while.

Who wants to bet that this "Forest Seasons" album will be better than any of this "Time" bullshit because it isn't overcooked garbage that's been in the works for over a decade?

"Lol shut up you ungrateful pieces of shit! They have earned the right to crowd fund."

That escalated quickly

Who cares anyway will just be a mediocre over produced melodic metal garbage

I've never listened to Wintersun but I now feel obligated to steal this album

their debut is pretty gr8 zippa u should check it out

yeah it's epic melodeath folk cheese with lots of fancy solos and junk.

pre much

one of the best of its kind

so like a 3.5-4

wasn't time ii supposed to come out like 5 years ago

"I've never listened to Wintersun but I now feel obligated to steal this album"

no, no, no...dont do that. just steal the s/t, probably all youll ever need.

Yeah nothing wrong with croudfunding obviously, in fact I think it's a great thing for bands to do, the problem here is the sneaky way they're ransoming this newly announced album for studio building money, because that's what it takes for them to release the other, 8 year old hostage. It's not quite blackmail, but closest Wintersun can get.

Time I should be called "Waste of Time". The 'album' is meh at best, Jari is a joke at this point

Nothing wrong with crowdfunding an album but this seems shitty.

don't even steal it just spotify it like a normal person

lol ok

to anyone who doesn't think this is a big deal, this is the band that used money from their fans to build themselves a sauna in the studio

Yeah do you expect Jari to settle for a spa or something? The man's an artist for God sake.

i guess a spa in their recording studio isn't enough

they're asking for your money so they can upgrade it to solid gold

they didn't build it yet Spirit :3 They just released the floor plans for it and then people went nuts.

So they're doing a Kickstarter for their own studio, they're only going to offer one perk and it's (so far) the only way to get the new album.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ARE THEY SERIOUS

I was more concerned that they put the sauna on the second floor near the elevator, bad design

anyone who gives a single cent to this is a sucker

a fool and his money are easily parted

i mean hey at least it's better than nachtmystium

I thought Time I was awesome. Looking forward to the new album. Everyone on here bitches to much.

too*

If this album actually comes out do you guys wanna steal it and then never listen to it with me???

"Everyone on here bitches to much."

so you dont think they have a point in this case? you think how this band is operating is just fine?

"i mean hey at least it's better than nachtmystium"

Strange comparison but sure

I think he meant in terms of business/legal stuff, the guy from that band did some fucked up shit I can't really remember now.

Stupid is what stupid does

I bet Jaris high 5's himself a few times everyday

what the fuck? why are there only negative comments here? I think crowdfunding is a very legit way nowadays. Jari is very ambitious and obviously a great musician. Personally I did not like Time I as much as I hoped for, but their s/t is one of the albums I consider to be a classic of metal. If there's a chance that he can actually release all music he has written since 2008 (4-5 albums), I am happy to help financing this. Otherwise we might never hear. I do hope though that he starts focusing more on guitars again and less on synths.

band is so fucking lame anyways not surprised tbh

besides this silly thing why do you guys dislike him so much?

wow a lot of whiners on this whining about paying out. its very simple: pay or no play for you mothercfuckers. it's a great thing to have great bands like this but americans are selfish even tho we used to be the best people. this band is one of the greatest most spectacular groups of all time. one of the great groups for sure. and trust me i know great people

lol

"I think he meant in terms of business/legal stuff, the guy from that band did some fucked up shit I can't really remember now."

Ah okey dokes

Wait do they actually wanna build themselves a sauna in their studio?

Yes

That's so metal

The whole sauna thing sounds like something out of a Metalocalypse episode

apparently saunas are a cultural thing in Finland, so it's not just them wanting fancy stuff for the sake of being fancy and Americans didn't know. Still tho it's a studio not your apartment.

I felt like a spoiled princess just having free coffee at the last studio I recorded at

you must not come from one of those ritzy scandsdinavians countries then

Nope just a ritzy hood in the dirty south

Didn't Protest the Hero do something really similar to this a couple years ago?

yea, because their record label was screwing them over or something like that. this is generally totally legitimate and fair thing to do, but these guys have done (or more accurately haven't done) so many things in the last few years, that makes this totally unacceptable.

Protest the Hero crowdfunded their entire process so they could be totally independent, not just so they could get around studio booking fees/whatever, like Wintersun are kinda trying to do.

That makes sense, cause I don't remember them getting really any flack when they did that

enveloped by the steam of time's elapsing procession (13:18)
a) nice warm bench
b) the steam
c) towel

Crowdfunding for your album is one thing. Crowdfunding your own private studio bc you think you're Mozart is stupid. Or really smart if it works out for him I guess. Hey will you guys crowdfund my next house for me

" It has not been announced yet what else, if anything, will be included in this "FOREST PACKAGE" outside of the new record."

This sentence made me laugh, "FOREST PACKAGE" ahahahahha

The thought of an abundance of pubic hair comes to mind, yes

"That makes sense, cause I don't remember them getting really any flack when they did that"

uhh yeah. big difference between that and all the shit Jari has pulled over the years. hes a fucking diva.

I got a forest package for em

this is wintersun guys not Mikko Aspa at the most you'll get some tree bark or a picture of jari next to a stack of cash or a really big paypal statement

Hopefully they'll pull a rammstein and release a dildo pack modeled after the members' members

let's crowdfund each other's houses that way we don't have to pay for our own.
wait a minute...

"apparently saunas are a cultural thing in Finland, so it's not just them wanting fancy stuff for the sake of being fancy and Americans didn't know."

Yeah I saw him arguing that point but I get why people are pissed off, the magnitude of the studio he's invisionaed his fans to pay for is ridiculous at that point. If he's not buying it himself then what he should be focusing on is equipment and a room or two. Not a goddam sauna. I'm sure they can drive to one if they're everywhere.

Still tho it's a studio not your apartment [2]

If he was good he wouldn't need so much TIME and wouldn't need money for his 500 guitar/synth tracking sessions

MIDI that shit and re-amp boom done in one shot

crowdfunding for whatever means is stupid, thats some mini-communism going on there, if you want your own studio then get money on your own and build one like an investment, you know like how normal studios are build. crowd funding is just for cheap money which there isn't any return for the fans, they still have to buy the expensive albums.

"get money on your own and build one like an investment, you know like how normal studios are build"

so like get a loan from the bank or your record label, then have to pay back interest over time? Asking fans for cash under the promise of new music seems to be cutting the middleman out of that whole equation doncha think. Your response is dumb.

[2]

Again there's nothing wrong with crowdfunding, Wintersun (Jari) have just pushed their luck.