THIS... PIC.... AIN'T.... FREEEEEEEEEEE

^ winner

i gotta hand it to him....that was actually kind of clever

Hahaha! Perfect first comment. On another note, Kendrick getting sued?!! OH NO!

$150,000 per usage? That's fucking ridiculous.

What is even considered 'usage' in that context?

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Per usage? Lol it isn't even the album cover

'THIS... PIC.... AIN'T.... FREEEEEEEEEEE'

You win the internet sir.

I'm not saying he shouldn't seek retribution, dude. He just needs to pick a more realistic number. Calm down.

150,000 per usage could potentially earn shy of a billion though. The track and its influence is not worth that much

150k for one shot would be reasonable, but it says per usage. Granted, I don't know exactly what that means in this case, but I think that usage could easily exceed ten times. I dunno. I guess that part is kind of vague.

Choccy gets what I mean

does
this
dude use gucci or danelectro

Good for the photographer. Chances are Kendrick didn't even know they didn't have the rights, someone at the Label got lazy.

snoxall with a good post for once

Yeah I have no idea what per usage means. Per single sold, Per single listing on various platforms, marketing use?

I can see it if were for a one time fee. But even at 2 or 3 "usages" the guy is getting compensation that is too fantastical.

The number is just too high, man. I'm not saying that the photographer doesn't deserve some kind of justice, but I don't see a judge respecting 150,000 per usage of the photo.

No I'm not missing the point. I never said he didn't deserve compensation, but he is clearly demanding too much

ITT Snoxall misses the point and accuses others of missing the point

I guess its more of a legal tatic anyway. Seek out something extraordinary and settle

That's probably it, Snow.

unrealistic amount to sue for

big surprise tho

I'll probably regret posting in this thread, but eh

seeing as people are confused at the whole "per usage" thing, it's basically for every time the photo was used, not for every time the song was played because that would be really stupid. So it's not THAT much. Probably a few million in total.

I doubt the photographer actually expects to get 150 000, its really just a number, might as well make it a big number.

Exactly

"The number is just too high, man. I'm not saying that the photographer doesn't deserve some kind of justice, but I don't see a judge respecting 150,000 per usage of the photo."

The number isn't what he deserves but the figure that will effectively punish the Label and deter them from plagiarizing artists in the future. Companies need to know it's unacceptable to use other artists work without compensation, having to pay some artist who was ripped off only a few thousand dollars is chump change and reinforces the Labels arrogance that they can walk over anyone and if they get caught, pay later. The Photographer doesn't necessarily deserve all the money detailed in the case but the Label should definitely be harshly punished for using copy written material and be forced to suffer.

These types of lawsuits are less about what the plaintiff deserves and more about what is the correct financial punishment for large corporations to curb and eliminate immoral business practices. Whether it's Goldman Sachs or Record Labels like EMI and Universal, anything less than a lawsuit worth millions will not deter them from bending the rules.

That's a fair enough point.

Whatever, man. I concede that I might have jumped the gun. Get off my ass.

I still think it's too much money. Not from a morally just standpoint, but I just don't particularly see that number going over well in court, but when put the way JWT put it, where they're coming from makes a little more sense. I never even meant to get into a big thing here. Mostly just making a passing comment.

If u still think its a too much money then i dont think u actually got the point.

The large number is chosen as a punitive measure and not for how much the photographer deserves. Yes. I do get it. That doesn't mean I have to agree that it's the right way to go about it.

Kinda late but, "perfect first comment" [2]

how else would this be gone about? this is one of the few types of case where i'd actually support a lawsuit, and i fucking hate lawyers/think the culture of lawsuits in america is asinine

I just think with a number that high, you run the risk of getting your case thrown out and then no one gets punished/paid. I could soooooo be wrong. I have no idea, really. But that was just my initial reaction to reading 150k.

i don't think that's the kind of thing cases get thrown out for - not that i would know.

well, then not thrown out ( prob the wrong term to use) but maybe more likes to side with the defendant.

again, just speculating - i'm willing to bet mr cameraman didn't come up w the price, instead his lawyer who knows what he is doing did. even if the price were too high, there would likely be haggling rather than side-picking based on the price.

Yeah, I'm sure it was the lawyer. And of course there's a reason behind the number. Just to me, initial reaction was like "whoa 150k? That's fucked" and then I had to defend my honor despite not knowing anything about the legal system (while arguing with people that are just as clueless) because this is Sputnik. I've got a lot of free time right now. I'm working on it.

Everytime I'm in the street I hear qojdndiskd rn

Pls up vote this comment lol ;D
:D

always make about eight concessions per thread that you're clueless

people respect a baseless opinion more when you know you're baseless and invite someone who knows shit to correct you

"Companies need to know it's unacceptable to use other artists work without compensation, having to pay some artist who was ripped off "


but pirating music is completely fine and I will defend it until my death!

Yay sput logic!

not that I can talk

What're you guys arguing about again

capitalism is the real problem here

I'm not profiting off pirating music though. Those 2 are very different subjects.

There's an astronomical difference between Pirating media for personal use then stealing someone's artwork/likeness/etc and publish it to thousands/millions of fans as your own. That being said i haven't Pirated anything in years, Spotify all the way.

I don't see why the photographer couldn't just contact the label and ask them to buy the pic afterwards, unless he did and they're just dicks.
Either the label sucks, or the photographer is looking for some publicity.

yeah I know it's a different situation which is why my comment was intentionally made not to sound serious. I still find it funny to read that sort of thing on a website where pirating music is advocated for on a regular basis

scream find me a music website where piracy isn't condoned, or a movie site, or a video games site, or any site of anything that can be pirated where both the userbase and staff are against piracy. going to be a tough one

the point




your head

no i perfectly understood the point, i just don't see why it's funny that a website discussing music would advocate piracy while defending '"little guys" from "corporations."

thanks for the ableist language, that's real pleasant.

and it is demonstrably true that corporations benefit immensely from the wage gap. this isn't an economics website so i'll spare you, but if you don't think the rich are trying to perpetuate the wage gap you're the one severely lacking mental capacity

"no i perfectly understood the point, i just don't see why it's funny that a website discussing music would advocate piracy while defending '"little guys" from "corporations.""

Funny how you forget about the little guy when you're the one taking from him though

Hahahahahahahaha

Yeah they benefit immensely from it. That's the point. How is that a bad thing? If you've ever tried to get ahead in life than you're guilty of everything a corporation is guilty of, except they were a lot more successful than you. But the wage gap, doesn't keep us down, it keeps them up, and without them we're all poor.
You can't even complain about the wage gap, even "poor" people are comparatively rich, why? Because the corporations make our economy amazing
And yeah it's funny that the photographer "deserves" compensation but the musician doesn't.
Also find it stupid that retard is offensive now, but everything that's pc is kinda stupid

Your comparison is not realistic tho. Pirating music for yourself would be like Kendrick downloading the picture and then blowing it up and putting it in a frame on a wall in his house. he stole it but it's for his own personal enjoyment and he isn't benefiting financially from it's image. Likewise downloading music illegally and then selling it as your own would be closer to Kendrick's actions then purely just pirating music.

A person who pirates music doesn't promote it as their own.

titan that post is incoherent. without rich people we're all poor? that's not how economics works. go take economics 101 before you try to debate economics.

i don't pirate actually so i'm not taking from anyone.

What the fuck happened in this thread

"Your comparison is not realistic tho. Pirating music for yourself would be like Kendrick downloading the picture and then blowing it up and putting it in a frame on a wall in his house. he stole it but it's for his own personal enjoyment and he isn't benefiting financially from it's image. Likewise downloading music illegally and then selling it as your own would be closer to Kendrick's actions then purely just pirating music. "

Yeah, I've already conceded this point. Although one could also argue that the photographer put in the same effort to create the art no matter what Kendrick decides to use it for but I don't want to get into this at all haha

Like it said, the general premise jsut amused me which is why I brought it up. Not looking to create a shitstorm

titanslayer's post is really funny in the wake of Greece

it is funny like
hold sides
ah hah HA HAH AHA HA H

Hey, do any of you guys have any opinions on like, the amount of money being sued for, as well as music piracy, or just capitalism in general?

"People that hate corporations are retarded tbh
Seriously with out them were would we be? We'd be a third world country, but hey the rich are trying to keep us down or some shit we should hate them."

What in the fuck?

cool

"Hey, do any of you guys have any opinions on like, the amount of money being sued for, as well as music piracy, or just capitalism in general?"

WELL AS A MATTER OF FACT

oh no...

Keynesian VS laissez-faire VS Austrian VS Marxian Economics, FIGHT!

#TeamJWT155 FTW! #titanslayeriskindofnaive FTL!

he's probably just going to lose money with this lawsuit

it's always rappers with actual talent that get sued.

fucking sue lil wayne or iggy.

fuck sake

not kendrick

karma for sell out rappers is in full effect

look at 50 cent going bankrupt. Kanye is next

lil wayne > kendrick

kendrick is a bad wayne imitation

Since I don't have anything better to do at the moment:

Lol, look at another funny comment by Lambs!

50 Cent isn't bankrupt.......

Sadly though, he is, he filed for bankruptcy.

http://blogs.wsj.com/bankruptcy/2015/07/13/rapper-50-cent-files-for-bankruptcy/

@after You can't justify the plagiarism though

"kendrick is a bad wayne imitation"

http://img.medscape.com/news/2014/am_140326_gun_suicide_silhouette_800x600.jpg

you never have anything better to do ever is the thing



Do i really have to google it for you?

http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/13/news/fifty-cent-bankruptcy/

Oh, I do, that's why I don't post on here 24/7, but neither do you. So, yeah.

"@after You can't justify the plagiarism though"

Of course not, I just wish this would've happened to someone, y'know, with shitty music.

Filing for Bankruptcy =/= Bankrupt.

The dude is worth over 200 Million dollars but is probably going to lose a lawsuit in the 20-30's of millions of dollars (divorce or something I think, not 100% sure). Pretty sure he is filing a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy which allows him to liquidate assets to payoff his debts.

Essentially he has the money to pay off the loan but they are all in stocks, bonds, assets, etc. Imagine if Mark Zuckerburg is worth 600 Million but is sued for 200 million, he doesn't have 200 million dollars lying around, it's in stock for Facebook. chapter 11 allows you to slowly liquidate your assets so you can pay off your loans.

So yea, 50 Cent isn't bankrupt, just financially protecting himself and liquidating assets to pay off debts.

i saw you post "banana" as a comment in a thread

you have nothing better to do but hate on me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC-e1SIpci0

Oh Lambs, you know I love you, you're views on Hip-Hop are just a bit weird to me.

Hey, the thread was about Minions at that moment. Posting "banana" at that moment made perfect sense!

Fifty deserves to be bankrupt for being shitty at being a boxing promoter.

Omg that first comment is the best I've seen all year.

But holy shit, photographers are so fucking annoying

Someone said ableist in this thread ugh tumblr is taking over sputnik

that's the only word i've seen used to decry usage of "retard." if you have others i'll use them.

shut up botb

Why would anyone decry retard? Makes no sense
"without rich people we're all poor?"
Without business, therefore jobs, we're all poor. If a business is big enough it going under can literally cause a recession. All business (that's successful) pumps a lot of money into the economy it's why we have it so good here in the states.
We have the highest GDP in the world because of big and small businesses being really successful here. We would be the richest country in the world if we didn't have such a big population.

@titan: http://www.r-word.org/r-word-effects-of-the-word.aspx

now quit being ignorant.

I'm all for personal liberties and freedom, but I'm also very much in favor of courtesy and making my fellow human beings lives better. I used to be annoyed by the over pc society we live in nowadays, but I feel I've grown a bit and realize that omitting a few words from my vocabulary does not stifle my freedoms, but prevents me from putting more unnecessary negativity out into the world.

You live in America and you have the freedom to say what you want. You also have the choice to decide if you want to be a piece of shit human being or a decent person.

very well put ccj.

this thread is unbelievable

How is this real

When shit hit the fan is you still a fan?

THIS... PIC.... AIN'T.... FREEEEEEEEEEE

THIS PIC AIN'T FREEEEE I MEAN BABY YOU REALLY THINK WE COULD MAKE A BABY NAMED CIPRIANIIIIII

That first comment is the most perfectly timed thing I've read in a long time. Well done sir

hey guys, thanks for all the love on my comment. sputnik is a friendly place full of happiness and sunshine.

"hey guys, thanks for all the love on my comment. sputnik is a friendly place full of happiness and sunshine. "

It won't last long

idk it is a really good comment

he should be granted immunity for that comment really

i chucked at the comment yeah but idk

most capitalist rhetoric in 2015 reads like satire tbh

Say you will never, ever catch me no.

most capitalist rhetoric in 2015 reads like satire tbh

Totally, dude.

THIS... PIC.... AIN'T.... FREEEEEEEEEEE

i actually lol'd

To help clear the confusion on the number quoted, it's the complaint. A complaint can include any number you pull out of thin air. It means very, very little. The number you choose makes a difference for certain things, like what court you are allowed to bring suit in (e.g. federal v. state court, etc.) but is not indicative of what the photographer actually thinks he deserves, nor is it representative of what he would ultimately walk away with even if he were to win the case. I worked a case recently where a guy was suing for $200,000 over a $300 issue. It's scary to those who aren't familiar with how the process works, but you're not going to lose anywhere near that. The bulk will be legal fees anyway.

Keynesian VS laissez-faire VS Austrian VS Marxian Economics, FIGHT!

Marxian is basically the retarded ginger stepchild in that bracket.

what just happened to this thread?

then again I probably shouldn't be surprised.

150.000 € per use.

American legal system is a joke.

American everything is a joke.

is there actually any proof the image is stolen and this isn't just some fraud trying to sue Kendrick Lamar and squeeze millions out of the judicial system?

we'll see

Lamar has plenty of money to pay this guy if he happens to be legitimate.

nice dig

"Lamar has plenty of money to pay this guy if he happens to be legitimate."

You need to be bill gates to pay 150.000 € for every use of that image tho.

Euros, yes

USDs, not really.

considering it's a fuckup by someone on his label i don't see lamar himself paying this, it'll be the label. you think lamar has time to call the photographer?

well the labels are named defendants but Kendrick is being sued directly as well so he's going to have to pay something at least. I'm pretty sure he has the money anyways.

well they are above the law

just because he's being sued directly doesn't mean he's paying. he's probably just as pissed at his label (for the negative publicity generated by this) as the photographer is. the label will pay, it was their fuckup not kendrick's. i'd be surprised if he couldn't get his label to pay in full, considering how well his last album was received - he could easily threaten to drop them and switch labels.

it's not that he's incapable, snox, that's the kind of thing the label would do. he's probably busy practicing music, touring, writing, etc etc - you know, being a musician. I would be very surprised if the label didn't have some guy in an office who was supposed to get the rights.

i'm not trying to shift the blame - i'm sure he picked the art, certainly, but at the end of the day he's a big enough artist he doesn't have to do any of the menial shit himself and i refuse to believe this fuckup is on him and not guy in office. and i don't even like kendrick, i haven't given any of his albums above a 2.5, it's not like i'm a fanboy. i'm just skeptical that he would have ANYTHING to do with acquiring rights.

@JWT

50 cent has 28 million in debt with 15 million in personal assets

hes bankrupt