MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS!!!

Spoiler: Song rules

yes it does

wow those drums sound like shit

cool song though

I had already listened to it live but man.

Oh man

Will be buying this hard Sunday

Drums are mixed weird yeah, sounds more like a demo production!

But yeah, sounds p diff and mid-pace for Dillinger

honestly dig this more than anything on their most recent album. not a fan of the production and sound of the drums though.

That riff on the verse is fucking killer m/

Sumerian really don't know how to fucking mix shit, bass pedal sounds so computerised its unreal.

bass pedal sounds so computerised its unreal. [2]

greg's vocals are bullshit insane

Yes but regardless of production, does this song rule or what? Is full of sweet sweet dillinger mojo that's what it is. fucking good song and raw as fuck tbh m/

Yeah, I can forgive the production to a certain extent cos the actual song goes hard as fuck m/

Greg is real pisd

Crap this is better than anything off the last album

It reminds me of Gold Teeth Of A Bum somehow, for that jazzy sexy part. Kinda reminescent of their IW and OP stuff

Yeah, I get those vibes too.

Better than everything off killer

You guys keep saying that and i'm like "hum" lol

Its better than quite a few jams off Killer tbh, quite hard to compare really cos this sounds like nothing from the previous record.

Good song. I really believe this band has started to hone-in on a more matured, focus sound.

Agree with pleb, it's not easy to establish a comparison just like that imo

As much as I love Dillinger, I like seeing this side of them more than their spastic material nowadays. The frenetic guitar playing on Killer is not as inspired as previous releases, its far more interesting to see them do something more straight-forward and expand their sound even further.

damn, this was pretty different for TDEP. gotta say I really dig this song.

saw it live, it sounded fantastic.

This nearly captures the intensity. Impressive.

I like seeing this side of them more than their spastic material nowadays [2]

Always have tbh

lol this is rly good.
I like seeing this side of them more than their spastic material nowadays [3]

Well this made my day.

Well k but still When I Lost My Bet is THE spastic masterpiece amiright?

amiright?!

The perfect example of a TDEP song that has it all would be I Wouldn't If You Didn't i mean, it spazes hard and then it mellows out so good. I like every side of them. But when they do mellow out, holy shit.

New song is disapointment for me :/. Still hard 3.5 though, most likely be better in the album's context or grow on me.

"Well k but still When I Lost My Bet is THE spastic masterpiece amiright?"

When Good Dogs to Bad Things exists, so nope :P. Still 3rd fav Dillinger track though.

'New song is disapointment for me :/. Still hard 3.5 though, most likely be better in the album's context or grow on me.'

*hard facepalm*

What'd I do? :[

lel i believe that could make more sense but aight, i feel ya

Sweet as, I was worried I'd never hear this because they were only distributing it on tour

good shit

This is such a party song. I love it

This is the future of music.

Im headbanging so hard to this right now.

m/

Dat sumerian production though, they have really fucked up some good albums by mixing it terribly

i guess they just recorded this on a whim, at least it sounds that way. great song though

People keep saying that but well there's actual people involved in it.. Sumerian, as far as i know,
didn't play a big role on the production of OOUITK, it was produced by Ben Weinman himself and Steve
Everett, i think he never produced any albums for Sumerian bands. This single has some downsides in
terms of production ok, but must it really be Sumerian's fault?

these guys don't know how to fuck up.

song was so 4/4

That's another thing. It's like they never did something among these lines before. They have a good bunch of regular tempo jams. This isn't that much far from some stuff they've done before. Feels like a TDEP jam, hard

fuck. yes.

Pretty cool.

amazing song, what else is new..

Fun track.

summerian has literally nothing to do with the production. record labels help with distribution and funding the records. that's about it.

Love these guys

tbh i didn't like the track at all

gold teeth on a bum was probably the best "regular tempo" dep song, for a reason: it fucking rocked. dynamic shifts, weird time signatures without sounding pretentious (gold teeth doesn't sound super foreign due to the time unless you try to count along, then you run into trouble), and of course a fucking killer ending. this just kind of plodded along without really establishing itself or doing anything special.

also like everyone said the production was terrible.

"wow those drums sound like shit "

that bass drums sounds like something out of a wub wub band. lmao sounds terrible

drums are better than anything off their last album

"unretrofied"

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really don't like miss machine that much but fuck if unretrofied isn't dope.

Greg doesn't know how to not improve with every recording

Drums sound like shitty programmed ones but who cares the song is good

fuckin rules, i think im in this video

Fuck, it turns out that now almost every single person hates or dislikes One Of Us Is the Killer or what? Lol.

Ben Weinman hasn't written a new riff since 2004.

lolwat

I don't really enjoy Dillinger's style that much, but the groove in this song rules!

Fuck, it turns out that now almost every single person hates or dislikes One Of Us Is the Killer or what? Lol.

it's cool they released this song as it is rather than them trying to fit into an album that might
have had a completely different form of expression

I don't think you guys understand how record labels work.

RE

SPEC

WALK

Are you talking to me? Are you talking to me?

Walk on home boy.

"I don't think you guys understand how record labels work. "

Basically. I still gave it the benefit of the doubt that people could be trying to refer to some dude of the likes of Joey Sturgis that works mainly with Sumerian Records or with cookie cutter bands in general but hell no. People seem unaware of how labels work indeed

I really don't like sumerian. i think they had their grubby fingers in OOUITK and it's a weaker record than anything else DEP has put out.

Hm wow idk. They outta try their pressure on the band as all labels do, but OOUITK is an outstanding album and the production is, imo, top fucking notch.

as uncompromising as TDEP are/have been their entire career i don't think they would go for a deal where they're not guaranteed to have control of their sound/production

I really don't like sumerian. i think they had their grubby fingers in OOUITK and it's a weaker record than anything else DEP has put out.

could be mistaken but im pretty sure sumerian gives complete creative control to their artists. dont think dep would have signed on if that wasnt the case. just cause killer was weaker doesnt mean sumerian is to blame

@thane, Oh yeah that too. Ben Weinman puts SO much into this project, i don't think any of them would
be glad to let Sumerian change any of it. I mean not even a little. The pressure is bound to be always
there of course but i don't think Sumerian is even their main distributor.

"Fuck, it turns out that now almost every single person hates or dislikes One Of Us Is the Killer or what? Lol."
"which is weird because its hardly different from their other stuff"

are u not understanding that this is precisely the reason whyy

the album is so sumerian-core! just listen to that meaty 4/4 plod!

Well this is nice

I really don't get it, some of you say that it's "weaker", but i've never heard any solid argument regarding why it's "weaker".

wow this rules. reminds me of OP a bit.

also I quite like the drum sound, sounds identical to their drum mix on OP which I loved, so powerful. guitar tone was delicious too

UH GAAAWWWDDD
This is so freaking awesome. I liked One Of Us Is The Killer, but this beats anything on that album. Such a killer track.

I've never liked Unretrofied. I definitely like this.

Never understood the hype.

bland ass song

sweet

@spec

wont thou bless us with your knowledge enlightened one, reveal the secret inner workings of record labels i beg thee

whassup with all the hate for One Of Us :C, song rules so much, sounds like something out of Option Paralysis

this song actually rules, but i've never listened to tdep before. i've only heard their old stuff that
was way to random for my tastes.

this is more in the line of stuff i listen to.

is any of their LP's like this?

if this is your jam Option Paralysis or Miss Machine will do but keep in mind that even at their mildlest this band is still pretty fucking out there

Nah but IW has all the wanky interludes, I would probably say that your best entry point could be Miss Machine or One Of Us Is the Killer.

Miss Machine, Option Paralysis, Ire Works, then One of Us is the Killer.

OP is their most accessible but MM gives you a better idea of their overall sound so take your pick

"...but i don't think Sumerian is even their main distributor."

Dillinger releases their stuff through Party Smasher Inc, which was originally used as an imprint of Seasons Of Mist (Option Paralysis) and brought over when they signed to Sumerian. Ben said they formed Party Smasher Inc as a way to keep creative control and release what they want to. The actual production and business side of things is handled by whatever label they're signed to at the time.

it is own statement

@Gringo, That's how i figured things worked.

Yes this jam definitely has some of that OP vibe going on

The verse sounds like an exact riff I've heard elsewhere, but I can't place it

The verse sounds like an exact riff I've heard elsewhere, but I can't place it

Tomorrow hell ya!

Song slays

Sick song fuck yes

Sick song fuck yes

Song is fucking awesome, so much sludgier than anything else they've done, I love it. The kick drum does sound really computer-like oddly though

That's how I'd describe the new Chevelle album as a whole, sure you aren't on the wrong thread bro?

I was actually being deadly serious.

OK

That drum sound is really bad

nay

man this song goes hard. i'm not too big of a fan of these guys but this song... just wow.

good shit m/

Pretty good, needs Greg falsetto though

Not up to par for DEP. These riffs are pretty generic.

These riffs are pretty generic.[123]

but while they are generic they go fucking hard and it's fantastic energy

if you think the riffs are too generic you have no soul for hxc plain and simple

outro to hero of the soviet is the same deal

^exactly. it's the energy that these guys produce, that make the song fantastic.

I only just started getting into these guys with One Of Us Is The Killer and this is pretty good too

This song is awesome, one of the few down tempo dep songs. Kinda has a gold teeth/uneretrofied feel. And the production/creative process is all dep on their party smasher label. Sumerian is only distribution and etc.

Oh and what's with all the hate on OOUITK? that's shit holds a 4.1 last time I checked here. But sputnik is filled with fickle fairies lol.

im surprised, that was actually slightly decent

bands production has just been getting worse and worse with everything they release tho

That's backwards. Their production has only gotten better since calculating infinity. Op and IW having the best production imo.

Option paralysis is so over produced you could put it between two wonder bread buns and put it on the dollar menu at macdonalds.

OP was definitely their worst produced album. its all about CI and MMs production, and IWs was good too

love the raw sound of this song tho

no energy for hxc? name me three good hardcore bands. right now.

never said that but ok ill play. modern life is war, focal point, deadguy

whats your point?

no soul, whatever. the point is that BtBaM is your most played band on last.fm so you can't talk about hardcore

no soul, whatever. the point is that BtBaM is your most played band on last.fm so you can't talk about hardcore

I have ska in my pie chart because I got lazy and didn't copy over all my ratings from rym after my ratings were deleted here. rating every btmi! album with only like 100 ratings will leave ska in yr chart bub.

what the fuck kind of retort is that insurrection. angsty teenagers listen to btbam, people of all ages listen to ska, so the 'grow the fuck up' thing is retarded

classic shit like choking victim and leftover crack is the fucking tits, so is this new wave of really funky ska mixed with dub etc

altho admittedly stuff like streelight sucks

pots rec me some of this new shit, btmi! is basically all the ska I listen to

dunno if you'll be able to find much most of the guys i was referring to are local bands that i go out to see often

one of my favourite is Giraffe Aftermath, if you can find some of that -ish i highly recommend it

nice sweeping generalizations and butting into a convo youre no part of, classic pots. i didnt want to stoop down to his level but he left me little choice. i hate ska but honestly i couldnt care less if people like it i dont treat them any differently or belittle their opinions like this joker did

thats sputnik for ya

you literally just did stoop to that level and do everything else you say u dont do

i said i didnt want to thus admitting that i did just stop while youre behind. we had a good thing going staying out of each others way since you came back for whatever reason, dunno why you had to ruin a good thing!

dude pots is easily 4x a better user than you

you act like such a grandmother ins

i haven't stayed out of your way at all u just haven't been as stupid lately gj

oh shit hes a better user than me how dare i

whats wrong with grandmas anyway? do you hate all old people? you probably do

just chill out man

sry tdep gets me pumped up

wish this song had crusty old dep production

this is great aside from the production

HAPPINESS IS......JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE
JUST A SMILE

this is okay

That was the best concert ever!

fuck you ILJ

go back to your seventh grade tech ed class jack

Pots not gonna lie, insur didn't really act like a douche here.

danielito - "no soul, whatever. the point is that BtBaM is your
most played band on last.fm so you can't talk about hardcore"

fucking lol. what kind of argument is that? you like BtBaM so anything you say about hxc is
irrelevant. ok? according to who?

i dont even like BtBaM but that is some dumbass/troll logic right there.

What the fuck are you all going on about in here? Fucking kindergarten or what

apparently it is. first of all who goes to someones profile JUST to shit talk the music they're into.

all the new touch screen tablets have made it easy for 5 year olds to go online and argue

Ok i took time to read this shit and Ins said nothing wrong whatsoever. The dude said something to which Ins didn't agree and so spoke his truth, the dude makes a stupid and unfounded statement about him not being able to acknowledge good hardcore for having BTBAM as his most played band on last.fm (what the actual fuck, the counter got stuck for me a long ago, that must mean my fav band is Cynic and i can't actually talk about music other than Prog/Jazz Fusion or wtv), Ins replies using the dude's logic against him pretty much and suddenly the dude is all tough and shit.

I don't see where Ins earned the bullying here.

exactly my sentiments ^

on topic: "there's no way to replace the absence that grew cold like a sunset
finally there's a glimpse of light cracking over the dark once illuminated"

solid. fucking. lyrics. what an epic end to this song

and this is still being talked about why?

These guys always have wonderful lyrics. That TDEP style of writing.. Anxiety, depression, tragedy, love, death, conscience, betrayal, vengeance, pride, insanity, bittersweetness, irony, happiness, I get all kinds of feels with these guys

@pots probably because some of us saw what both you and that other idiot wrote, and thought it was complete and utter bullshit. just a guess though.

Well yeah it was pretty off, but potsy only went along with his interpretation of the thing. All good now, needs more TDEP talk itt

@dat yeah but the irony is that literally everyone involved in the 'argument' including myself is just as guilty of being responsible for having skewed perspectives and feeding the argument further. and at this point its like 24 hours after the fact so complaining about the irrelevant derailing of the convo while continuing to derail the convo is just laughable. just a guess though !!@! so move on.

so who all in this thread likes animals as leaders

but how else could we circle the convo back to it's original destination: discussion of TDEP

here i'll sum up the thread for you

me and like 2 other people: didn't like song bc didn't go anywhere

literally everyone: production sucks

most plebs: gr8 song

then ins and i argued and everyone bitched about it

troll bait 1/10 will not bite

you made a comment. you bit. good job.

biting is gratifying it with a serious response, but suuuuuuure you can look at it that way if you want.

anyways I'd love to hear how the main groove in this song isn't super generic, and why it's okay for tdep to be generic because they have hardcore soul

Dillinger Drops a Deftones Surprise

thread2clim

Yeah i don't agree with danielito at all.

And hey yea i like Animals As Leaders' newest

yall niggas are dumb.

You can't use the N word unless you're one of us you asshole

"Yeah i don't agree with danielito at all.

And hey yea i like Animals As Leaders' newest"

explains a lot

LOL haha

wow this is still going on

danielito how about you explain why you think its generic and why something needs to be original to be good

okay, the song resides in/around 120 bpm the whole way through; the riffs are very sumerian, just straight up chugging, nowhere near what DEP is capable of. The one actual decent riff (1:20ish and again later) is just re-hashing a lot of older DEP melodies. That isn't generic, just weak. However, the remainder of the chugging riffs sound about identical to anything else on sumerian. Also, the song really didn't go anywhere after establishing itself - a major problem for DEP tracks as most of their slower material tended to branch out into codas or separate lego-brick sections after a while. Look at Gold Teeth on a Bum. I can't count the number of separate sections in that song off the top of my head, and I've heard it plenty of times. Unretrofied? Incredibly dynamic and ever-changing. This song has a "chug section," a "jazz riff," and a "heavy ending."

As for why something needs to be original to be good - are you serious? I literally don't even know how to respond to that, it just seems so obvious that original music is better. I mean, music can totally be influenced by other music and still remain original.

how about you explain why something DOESN'T need to be original to be good?

I miss when Dillinger used to write mathcore songs

not even gonna touch that post

I miss when Dillinger used to write mathcore songs

like 2010

killer arguably has more mathcore elements than OP

Agree with Ins. OP is like half mathcore half experimental/jazz/avant-garde stuff. OOUITK is remains mathy more consistently.

lol daniel.

ins you dumb dick, dillinger hasn't written a riff since OP. since then it's just been chords and chugging. if I wanted some good chugging I'd jam Aeolian

oh the irony

at least you have good taste in chug

insurrection, what the fuck. I actually typed out my reasoning for you, and you dismiss it.

also where is there irony in this thread? explain it to me. explain the irony to me.

lol youre an insatiable little fuck arent you

irony is hes calling me dumb then says dillinger hasnt written a riff since OP, which is just wtf

and about your post, there are so many things wrong with it i dont want to get started. im tired of arguing on this site. it never amounts to anything worthwhile so why dont we just agree to disagree and call it a day hm?

but how else can you vent all your IRL frustrations if you can't bitch on sputnik

lol insurrection you're the one who started this argument, so what are you complaining about?

i believe the man saying my opinion means nothing because i like btbam is what began this shitheap excuse for an argument

it started when you said "if you think the riffs are too generic you have no soul for hxc plain and simple"

that wasnt starting an argument if you took that personally then you need to sit down and reevaluate your life

case in point

dont worry your pretty little head about it

*complains about arguments but replies to everything instantly

how are the two correlated exactly? also when did you even enter this "argument" now im confused

this is pretty gay

case in point

this is pretty gay [2]

Oh mercy

i have to scroll up quite a bit to actually read something about the fucking news article. lol.

Song is the same riff for five minutes, people laud. wut

Song is the same riff for five minutes, people laud. wut

no you're being a twat. stop continuing the argument and let it fucking die. for the good of sputnik please.

Anybody got an mp3 of this?

just search "happiness is a smile dillinger mp3" in google and a bunch of sites linking to hosting
websites will pop up.

i think i may have used a russian one for mine.

Thanks, that actually worked.

I love the internets.

lol jesus christ danielito it says you joined in '10 but i have never seen you before this thread. theres probably a good reason for that. anyway so youll stfu,

your analysis of the song means nothing. who gives a shit how fast it is. its heavy as fuck and has tons of energy. youre sitting there trying to analyze each section and how it compares to other dillinger material when its not a thinking song, its purely kinetic.

gold teeth on a bum has only a handful of different ideas and its little different than a standard pop structure. no idea what youre talking about there. same with unretrofied. dynamic and ever-changing? lol no. its a typical dillinger pop song with a heavy bridge, thats it.

the originality argument is stupid because its damn near impossible to find something completely original these days. just because the song is technically a standard hardcore song doesnt make it any worse than other hardcore songs. its completely subjective and no amount of analyzing is gonna change that which is why i didnt retort in the first place. your childish insults affirmed the fact that arguing with you would be a waste of time (and it still is)

sorry beef and everyone else for having to endure this garbage

Okay then.

Anyway: song is alright. Not anything special imo.

really pathetic that this is still going on. you guys have been bitching at each other for 3 days straight.

as if you havent had arguments lasting for weeks about even more trivial shit

welp, fuck this thread. i'm out

only took you 72 hours

"RivalSkoomaDealer"

Best nickname on sputnik forever

Thanks man.

after reading this thread, i now know why i only have like 500 comments over two accounts...

Aint nobody got time for dat.

jamming this again.