ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | ??? |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | real discussion plz jeezus |
MO
03.16.13 | there should definitely be an insane amount of work involved (mainly psychologically) before someone can be given a gun
I don't know the specifics with getting guns in the states, but from what i've heard it's not too hard |
someguest
03.16.13 | I don't see the need in owning a gun, but I don't care what people do. If I'm gunned down, at least it's a cool way to go. |
sideburndude
03.16.13 | ban da gunz |
nononsense
03.16.13 | It's not the guns, it's the people who use them. A gun sitting on a table won't do anything. Someone has to pick it up and pull
the trigger. |
someguest
03.16.13 | "It's not the guns, it's the people who use them."
I wish people would quit saying this since it could be said for anything humans use. |
bach
03.16.13 | A civilian shouldn't be allowed to own a fully automatic assault rifle. |
someguest
03.16.13 | They aren't. The assault rifes are semi-automatic. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | what bach said, nor should they have high capacity mags.
also what MO said, there should definitely be a mental health screening or something for anyone looking to get a gun |
sideburndude
03.16.13 | gunz ban new wave freedom |
someguest
03.16.13 | No mental health screening is going to catch the man who has nothing on his record and just caught his wife of fifteen years cheating (an example of a stable person losing it).
This is the problem with guns. They never reach a permanent solution. A lot of people that use them against others are caught up in a moment. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | people should have the right to bear arms but the government should only letting people who are mentally stable guns, also yeah pretty much just pistols and hunting weapons are all anyone needs. these civilian-ized assault rifles are total fucking bullshit and should be outlawed |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | i guess guesty, but more along the lines of a school shooting or something on that level there has to be a level of mental instability. |
someguest
03.16.13 | Okay, but school shootings don't happen everyday. Domestics do. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | yes true, but if that same husband you mentioned didn't have a gun he would have still snapped and killed her |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | The point is that guns should be waaay harder to get. Not only should they look to see if you are mentally stable, but if there has been anyone in your family that is/was not mentally stable. |
Calc
03.16.13 | ^^^ and if there was? |
someguest
03.16.13 | "yes true, but if that same husband you mentioned didn't have a gun he would have still snapped and killed her."
It would be significantly more difficult I'm sure. Guns make it easy.
Making guns 'harder to get' won't bring ownership numbers down. It's the old American 'Wild West' mentality that it's cool to own a gun. People don't have a clue. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | @ calc - and if there was tough shit cause you are a ticking time bomb |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | kidding, about the time bomb
but still tough shit |
Jruined
03.16.13 | Well prohibition worked well in the 20s, and obviously has done a fantastic job over the last few decades in terms of drug control, so of course it'll work when it comes to firearms as well.
Right?
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someguest
03.16.13 | Cops shouldn't carry guns either. They get caught up in the moment too, and shoot people they shouldn't.
Where's the people calling out for that? |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | ehh no I disagree with that guesty, cops should have guns, just pistols, but yeah. They are targets all too often |
suppatime
03.16.13 | what do high capacity mags have to do with anything? if a person is in the middle of a massacre, they'll have time to reload even with small capacity. |
someguest
03.16.13 | I'm just applying the same logic to all people. If we're all equal, right? |
Jruined
03.16.13 | Cops shouldn't carry anything outside of a copy of the bill of rights and maybe a shotgun for when things get tight.
Oh and a rosary so they can confess the sins they commit on a daily basis.
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someguest
03.16.13 | Amen. |
CrimsonLies
03.16.13 | What I think is to not discuss this on a music website |
Crymsonblaze
03.16.13 | Pro gun control. Done. |
Jruined
03.16.13 | OH MY GOD YOU SPOKE YOUR MIND ON A MUSIC SITE!!!?!
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ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | Crimson, this has been a completely civil discussion thus far. Fuck off
@ Jruined - idk man, yes or no. But they are in danger much more often that the regular person
@ suppatime - uhh wrong lol |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | ty jruined |
suppatime
03.16.13 | how so? |
Jruined
03.16.13 | @Chucky well considering the arbitrary laws they are supposed to enforce, especially in the case of victimless crimes, they deserve it. Firepersons are put in danger, police put themselves in danger by upholding morally ambiguous laws.
The police in the US were initially implemented as a means to keep the supposed criminal from being lynched. Now the are the law enforcers instead of the law protectors... and thats not even getting into the law enforcement culture.
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ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | haha I'm being civil, just being firm.
@ akimbo - deleted
@ suppatime - because they could be reloading a bunch of small mags when a someone pops up and closelines the bitch to the ground, this is CoD, mind you |
someguest
03.16.13 | "and thats not even getting into the law enforcement culture."
Bingo. I don't know about where you guys live, but the cops around here are just waiting for an opportunity to fuck someone up. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | I see what you're saying Jruined, but police AFAIK are supposed to uphold the law. Now I don't want to get on about crooked cops, but other people are targeting cops all the time. Yeah a firefighter is in danger, but not from a person wanting to blow his brains out. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | where you live guesty? |
someguest
03.16.13 | Flint, Michigan. The problem is the police think they have the right to fuck someone up when they 'step out of line' just because the law says they can. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | hmm. I live in Bellevue, Nebraska. And the cops here are similar, however I've never had to deal with them myself |
someguest
03.16.13 | We're #3 in the nation for gun violence per capita here. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | Jesus, sounds like a place I wouldn't want to live |
someguest
03.16.13 | If you're white you're okay. It's all black on black violence, unless you're dealing. |
Jruined
03.16.13 | Without the prison/police complex which supports idiotic fair such as the drug war you wouldn't have people targeting police, outside of the insane person here or there. The police complex uses the law to its advantage as revenue, especially via the drug war. Now when I was a young man...which was about 20 years ago there was not a SWAT team in every county. There also were not nearly as many shootings of innocents by law enforcement.
We live in a culture now, where law enforcement has become a rampant beast. When I was growing up I did respect law enforcement, but I also knew the people I was dealing with. It's turned into an entirely different culture, since I was growing up.
I say this as someone that had family working as law enforcement and prison guards. The culture is corrupt, has been, will be, and will only get worse. Just look at how NY is cracking down on protests in Brooklyn. Doesn't matter that people are using their rights to speak out, all that matters is law enforcements arbitrary rules.
Thats not right. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | I really hate seeing black people fight eachother, idk why lol but yeah
Okay but you think not even cops should have guns, what are they to do when some gang member pulls a pistol on him for busting his buddy? |
Crymsonblaze
03.16.13 | good thing i plan to not get into trouble |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | well said Jruined |
someguest
03.16.13 | "Okay but you think not even cops should have guns, what are they to do when some gang member pulls a pistol on him for busting his buddy?"
I am responsible for me. My actions. No one else. I can't speak for anyone else. |
CrimsonLies
03.16.13 | "Crimson, this has been a completely civil discussion thus far. Fuck off"
Whoa, calm down there |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | ^ ha
@ guesty - yeh but... lol |
Jruined
03.16.13 | I agree with someguest, although I have to add just by my moral spectrum, if I see my fellow man in danger I will act accordingly. Especially if the police are involved.
I don't mean I'll act out violently, but I will film every second of any altercation.
As far as gun control goes, it won't work any better than drug control or any other control does. All you do when you set up laws to control commodities, is create a black market, which puts control of said commodities in the hands of the people you definitely do not want to have control. The violent people. THe sociopaths.
Hell look at what you have in Washington right now. You think those people should be making decisions for those of us that bother to use a little common sense? |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | Yeah again good points Jruined.
Jruined wins thread lol |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | well thats usually what I aim for six |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | ... |
Jruined
03.16.13 | Red and 2112 are on here... why would it get reported?
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Jruined
03.16.13 | "Tears of joy at the birth of a brother
Never alone from that time
Sixteen years through knife fights and danger
Strangely why his life not mine
West side skyline crying
Fallen angel dying
Risk a life to make a dime
Lifetimes spent on the streets of a city
Make us the people we are
Switchblade stings in one tenth of a moment
Better get back to the car
Fallen angel
Fallen angel
Fallen angel
Fallen angel
West side skyline crying
For an angel dying
Life expiring in the...
Snow white side streets of cold New York City
Stained with his blood it all went wrong
Sick and tired blue wicked and wild
God only knows for how long"
Does that make it less apt to be deleted?
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toxin.
03.16.13 | i've been told with accompanying statistics that 90% of legislation pushed for "gun reform" would ban unwieldly weapons that logistically no civilian would bother to use for a mass murder and would only hurt people who collect this shit for fun
i'm all for real gun control but it seems everyone just goes with the kneejerk reaction of "assault rifles are scary we should ban them!!" instead of actually looking into what will make the public safer (vs. make them feel safer for two weeks until the next mass shooting) |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | need to get Death lyrics brb |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | Ashes and promises share a bond
Through the winds of change
Words are blown away
When visions that should be
Are tattooed in your mind
The power to let go
Is sometimes hard to find
The answer cannot be found
In the writing of others
Or the words of a trained mind
In a precious world of memories
We find ourselves confined
Claws so razor sharp
Ripping at the spirit
[Chorus:]
Promises a potential to hurt
Is anything real?
When forever is to be until
Deep inside, in the world of empty words...
No escaping from those haunting
empty words...
[Solo: Schuldiner]
Do you ever feel it?
A craving that is so strong
To by thought rewind in order to find
Expectations that shined through the doubt
That soon would turn into the price
Of what a word will be worth
When tomorrow comes
To be and we are left
Standing on our own-
And seeing what is real...
The answer cannot be found
In the writing of others
Or the words of a trained mind
In a precious world of memories
We find ourselves confined
Claws so razor sharp
Ripping at the spirit |
someguest
03.16.13 | hahaha Night I was waiting for it |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | lol |
Jruined
03.16.13 | Going to go jam some Symbolic now and drink good beer. |
Iamthe Nightstars
03.16.13 | of course he deletes my comment. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | Currently listening to SW's Grace for Drowning, will probably sleep soon |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | yes obviously dude |
someguest
03.16.13 | "Currently listening to SW's Grace for Drowning, will probably sleep soon"
works better than Ambien |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | lol except its not bad for you in large doses |
intotheshit
03.16.13 | Never disagree with Chuck. He will just delete your comment in hopes no one else sees it.
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ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | no people saw it, i just didn't want that shit in here |
someguest
03.16.13 | I saw it.
"Guns don't kill people. I kill people."
It's fucking Jaws man. What gives you the right to delete that comment? hahaha |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | heheh, oh well
I wanted it to be civil for awhile, so I deleted it |
intotheshit
03.16.13 | You do realize you posted a list about gun control on Sputnik, correct? God, you're still as dumb as the day you got here.
And weren't you jamming august burns red and Northlane like two weeks ago?
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ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | I don't know what kind of music I listen to has to do with anything, regardless, yeah its late and I knew I could keep it civil and serious for a good discussion.
just got banned from the forum side of the site, probably for telling the mods to delete hyp lol |
intotheshit
03.16.13 | Anyone think August Burns Red revolutionized music?
*looks around, hears crickets, and notices sonic's Rush t-shirt*
Man, Rush changed the face of music forever. Fuck that metalcore crap! It's for noobs, man!
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ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | Lol, first off, you were hardly active when I joined. Second, obviously ABR never revolutionized anything. Third, I've been listening to Rush long before I ever got into metal. |
someguest
03.16.13 | The only thing hairier than my music opinion is my mom's sideways sloppy joe. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | Yikes. |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | And obviously pit, you haven't a clue as to whats even going on. |
intotheshit
03.16.13 | Explain how I don't.
And I didn't need to be active when you joined. You were saying stupid shit well into your membership. |
someguest
03.16.13 | pit wrote the Lao Tzu, don't argue |
Trebor.
03.16.13 | I lot of Americans love guns more than I love Doolittle |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | Because I still listen to metalcore? Haha the fuck are you even getting on to man? You are confusing yourself whilst giving me shit.
Like holy shit I listen to other genres.
And all of these controversial topic lists have prog albums in them, thats how it works. Didn't you see my abortion list? |
ChuckyTruant
03.16.13 | thats really scary trebs |
bloc
03.17.13 | Who's the man with the master plan?
a nigga widda muthafuckin' gun |
YankeeDudel
03.17.13 | chuck makes an abortion list that got deleted
then a gun control list
next will make a religion list to complete the trifecta
basically shutup chuck you dont know anything about any of these things and are just parroting what you hear on the news |
Apollo
03.17.13 | Getting my PAL (Possession and Acquisition License) and Hunting license next weekend. Yes, here in Ontario, Canada, you need a fucking license for a gun and to shoot animals. $300 all said and done. Regardless, gonna have a great fucking summer hunting and skeet shooting |
ChuckyTruant
03.17.13 | Oh Yankee you're late to the game. Stfu |
Crymsonblaze
03.17.13 | tldr |
ChuckyTruant
03.17.13 | ^ |
Jruined
03.18.13 | Paragraph breaks are helpful when trying to make a point. |
Storm In A Teacup
03.18.13 | ClitTongue droppin knowledge. It was tldr but as an American I recognize we're the bad guyz and Hillary obviously doesnt suck Billary |