BaseballJames: Afraid Of Death

Hep Kat 02.07.12	Make him blink.
TheVoiceAndTheSnake 02.07.12	Do what the Christians do EMBRACE IT!!!
BaseballJames 02.07.12	@Hep Kat Huh. Never considered that yet...
ITsHxCTOASTER 02.07.12	Why would you be afraid of death? It's pretty comforting if you ask me. When you die you simply cease to exist, you can't be afraid or worry about it or anything because you know what? You won't exist.
BaseballJames 02.07.12	I guess it's like I said, I like the idea of consciousness surviving death, and as such being able to be aware of my surroundings.
Spec 02.07.12	Religion is probably whats throwing him off. No one wants to rot in hell after all.
tarkus 02.07.12	do drugs
Auschwitz 02.07.12	you need to realize its useless to worry about and to just live in the here and now.
pmmets07 02.07.12	i used to be like this when i was a lot younger. i think it's kind of ocd related (you're obsessing with the thought of death). it's irrational. just keep telling yourself that. easier said than done. "don't worry about what hasn't happened yet." you'll grow out of it.
ITsHxCTOASTER 02.07.12	You like the idea of an impossibility so it's freaking you out That's like being scared of Pokemon not being real
ITsHxCTOASTER 02.07.12	Yeah dude I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but your fear really is irrational and illogical. Just think it through logically and with time you shouldn't be worried about it.
BaseballJames 02.07.12	@ITsHxCTOASTER No worries. It's just nice to hear someone else's viewpoints on this, since I haven't discussed the subject with a whole lot of people.
Funeralopolis 02.07.12	thats a really weird thing to be afraid of at a young age. Relax man, maybe get a counciller there is no shame in it.
spillingmercury 02.07.12	thats a really weird thing to be afraid of at a young age. Relax man, maybe get a counciller there is no shame in it. You think? I thought about it all the time when I was in middle school and into sophomore year of high school. It wasn't so much the act of dying that scared me but the thought of everything I'd leave behind. I've imagined my funeral a few times too. I sort of never liked the idea of my consciousnesses persisting though, as I've never liked the idea of "immortality" in any respect. Some things just got to give. It's not something you really grow out of, the thought of death. At least for me. Mortality and being aware of mortality I would think persists even more as you grow up. But I think you sort of learn how to deal with the idea that nothing in the world is really permanent, and maybe you're religious or something so this might sound contradictory, but I feel like the fact that I believe there's nothing afterwards makes it so crucial to pay your respects to everyone around you and try to fulfill your potential.
Trebor17 02.07.12	The reason that your life is so short is what makes life worth living Like if you lived forever you would get sick of that shit by like age 110
MetallicOpeth 02.07.12	You have your whole life ahead of you. Fill it with great times and don't worry about it till the time comes. Life's too short to be hung up in death.
Crysis 02.07.12	A good way to make your thought patterns concentrate on a different subject is to choose another matter that the human mind really can't rationally comprehend. Think of something like the edge of the universe, what it's like at the center of a black hole, just how small an atom is - something that really makes you stretch your mind. The thought of non-being is one of these kinds of thoughts, just a rather morbid one. Hugely interesting, but morbid.
Shuyin 02.07.12	listen to cannibal corpse then death becomes routine
Vesper 02.07.12	Just wait until your first metaphysics/epistemology class in college, oh, boy. Nothing you've worried about that hasn't been worried about before. (I think that was meant to be reassuring.)
BallsToTheWall 02.07.12	End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path... One that we all must take.
Hyperion1001 02.07.12	i believe that when i die, i shall rot
Trebor17 02.07.12	Death is a great band, why would you be afraid of them?
FromDaHood 02.07.12	neck
ITsHxCTOASTER 02.07.12	"You have your whole life ahead of you. Fill it with great times and don't worry about it till the time comes. Life's too short to be hung up in death." This. And the more novel experiences you have, the longer your life will feel. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LyCC6jjcx8 2:10 or so to the end of the video. Get out there, do a bunch of fun stuff, and enjoy life
spillingmercury 02.07.12	Death is a great band, why would you be afraid of them? Honestly, I thought this list was going to be "Afraid of Death Metal." I am incredibly disappointed by his lack of irrational fear towards a genre of music.
FourthReich 02.07.12	"Why would you be afraid of death? It's pretty comforting if you ask me. When you die you simply cease to exist, you can't be afraid or worry about it or anything because you know what? You won't exist." i do not understand this, care to elaborate?
Hyperion1001 02.07.12	when you die, you simply are not. you do not think, you are nothing you do not know you are dead because you are dead, you can't contemplate death because you do not exist
Vesper 02.07.12	Because when it happens, you won't know you're dead. So you can't be afraid or worry. Not counting any number of awful ways you can suffer leading up to death, of course, but that's different. :>
Crysis 02.07.12	^^
BallsToTheWall 02.07.12	End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path... One that we all must take. My perfect way to die would be this should I exit the premises prematurely. Both painless and m/ as fuck. Drive up to a mountain pass in the early AM. Watch the sunset, light a joint and puff a bit, start swigging on some Jack Daniels, get in the car to some heavy metal and drive full speed off the cliff into the rocks below.
FourthReich 02.07.12	i do not understand the concept of nothing because there is no such thing as nothing. i cannot understand what happens after death because i have never died.
Crysis 02.07.12	"i do not understand the concept of nothing because there is no such thing as nothing. i cannot understand what happens after death because i have never died." see my first post for more of this sort of feeling
wacknizzle 02.07.12	Just don't think about it, live your life and enjoy yourself the best so you can so you'll be happy enough with yourself when your time comes. Besides after everything i've learned from peoples first hand experiences and investigated though psychedelic meditation made the thought of being dead not bother me as much. souls are real and there probably isn't a god but something happens, you are your own master. for me it's the pain of dying, like falling off a building. I had a real near death experience about 6 months ago. i wrecked my car into a tree going 50 and i should have died or be paralyzed but i walked out nearly unscathed, i feel really damn lucky. Seriously consider tripping, ego death and the psychedelic experience can be really enlightening, in fact people who have terminal illnesses have been seeing doctors to administer a trip to confront their fears of death. Other than that just try not to worry about it and be safe.
FourthReich 02.07.12	"My perfect way to die would be this should I exit the premises prematurely. Both painless and m/ as fuck. Drive up to a mountain pass in the early AM. Watch the sunset, light a joint and puff a bit, start swigging on some Jack Daniels, get in the car to some heavy metal and drive full speed off the cliff into the rocks below." m/
Trebor17 02.07.12	One of the biggest proofs that their is no afterlife I think is that no matter how religious someone is, or how convinced they are that they are going to heaven, they are extremely afraid when they are about to die and will do just about anything to avoid it
BallsToTheWall 02.07.12	Jon Nodveit when out on his own terms, I respect that.
Crysis 02.07.12	rip jon
FourthReich 02.07.12	is it not instinct trebor? to not want to die that is?
Hyperion1001 02.07.12	it is an instinct, thats what hes saying if there was a perfect afterlift why would we fear going there?
BallsToTheWall 02.07.12	When I die my spirit will flow into the earth and from the earth will sprout a majestic oak tree.
Hyperion1001 02.07.12	afterlife fuck list editing
Vesper 02.07.12	Well, you can't WANT to die, Trebor. At least, if you're Christian. Haha, how much would that suck to be a Christian and have your second to last thought be suicidal. Last thought would be, "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
Relinquished 02.07.12	my two paths into death were sudden and weren't the ways I wanted to go looking back now. the events between loss of consciousness and reviving are blank and pretty much opened my eyes in life. if you're wondering how to live right or how to grab life by the horns then there's your answer: you're not.
Vesper 02.07.12	"if there was a perfect afterlift" Golden elevator to heaven, aw yeah.
BallsToTheWall 02.07.12	Man, how cool would shit be if ya know necromancy was actually possible? The one superpower id love to have...raising the dead. Having soup with zombie John F Kennedy.
FourthReich 02.07.12	if m. shadows' says it real than it must be real hyperion
Skrapyard 02.07.12	I'm going to become a lich when I near death.
ITsHxCTOASTER 02.07.12	FourthReich do you remember how you felt in 1789? Yeah that's how death, that's now nothing is going to feel.
FourthReich 02.07.12	now do you know?
ITsHxCTOASTER 02.07.12	"now do you know?" I'm assuming that was supposed to say "how" and I knew you were going to fucking ask that. Okay of course no one can know for sure and all that shit but think about it. The only thing that makes you feel alive is your consciousness. Your consciousness consists of the cells of your brain. If you die, your brain and its cells and neural connections and whatnot die. Therefore, you will have no consciousness and you will feel nothing because you won't even BE
BaseballJames 02.07.12	Nothing like an existential quandry to put a rustle in Sputnik's jimmies. I do thank you all for the advice, though. It's been really helpful. Also, I do not fear Death the band, for Chuck Schuldiner is/was/forever will be legendary.
FourthReich 02.07.12	nothing in my opinion is an impossible concept. have you ever experienced nothingness? neither have i. how can we go from a world and a life full of something to death which according to you is nothing. we do not know nor understand the concept of nothing so how can one say that, that is what is waiting for us when we die?
Hyperion1001 02.07.12	it east to go from life to death, you simply stop existing you are quite literally no longer, you cease completely
Vesper 02.07.12	"have you ever experienced nothingness? neither have i." I mean, technically, you did before you were born - you just don't remember it. This is all to say, accept it and enjoy your life. It's not inherently more ridiculous to claim there is nothing after death than it is to claim there is something. Just because you don't know what's there doesn't mean you have to check a box for something. It's not a multiple choice exam.
Hyperion1001 02.07.12	it baffles me how most people really cant grasp the concept of death, it seems so simple
climactic 02.07.12	dont worry. if you accept christ as ur lord and savior u will ascend to paradise while the nonbelievers perish for all eternity
toxin. 02.07.12	"if there was a perfect afterlift why would we fear going there?" humans aren't and never have been perfectly rational creatures.
FreePizzaDay 02.07.12	"it baffles me how most people really cant grasp the concept of death, it seems so simple" You've got it all figured out, huh?
Hyperion1001 02.07.12	yeah, you die bam
Deviant. 02.07.12	"Golden elevator to heaven, aw yeah." And then there was that strange staircase to nowhere....
BallsToTheWall 02.07.12	Valhalla > hell > heaven
Vesper 02.07.12	Yeah, this is what the stairway to Heaven looks like: http://tinyurl.com/5s7vvvn
BaseballJames 02.07.12	@Dev See, that's another reason to not look forward to dying. Old Simpsons episodes. And Slurpees and stuff.
Tyrannic 02.07.12	isn't it true that more people fear public speaking than death? i dont get it.
MMX 02.07.12	No point worrying about the end when there is nothing you can do to prevent it. Unless you found the fountain of youth or some shit. Seriously though you can't escape death so embrace the idea and make it as fluffy as you want so you feel better.
FreePizzaDay 02.07.12	I find it comforting to know billions of lifetimes have started and ended before my own. Wherever I go, there will be lots of company or there will be absolutely nothing at all. But fear of death is universal across the lifespan and across cultures and religions. Not to say that every single person fears it, but you're far from the only one. You're actually probably in a very large majority.
Willie 02.07.12	Who cares about death? When you go to sleep and then wake up, how do you even know that you're the same person that went to bed the night before. If you look the same and have the same memories then does that mean you're still you? You 'remember' all these things that you've done in the past, but how can you ever know for sure that those memories were actually you as you are right now?
Tyrannic 02.07.12	^^yes.
MMX 02.07.12	The way I see it one day I'll be here and the next ill be gone. Don't know what happens after, but who really cares I'll be dead then. I'm hoping that old Christian lady next door is right and I go to hell, do that I can sell him my soul so that I can comeback and torment the living. That would be a fun way to spend eternity
jlech 02.07.12	"If you're not afraid to die then you must have never really felt alive" Great song by Spraynard: "Damn you a Box"
Trebor17 02.07.12	I like to think about like in star trek and back to the future where they change the past and then everyone is different, but they don't know they changed, like you have these new memories that you think have always been there. Like there is no way to prove you are the same person every day
AlexanDerp 02.07.12	I have anxiety problems, and your case seems similar to mine. Physical exercices greatly helped me stop worrying for nothing, as weird as it sounds.
MMX 02.07.12	AlexanDerp but what If he died at the gym from a Heart Attack due to too much exercise GASSSPPPP
Willie 02.07.12	@Trebor17: Exactly.
Kris. 02.08.12	"Then one day, I thought about death and the thought of consciousness not surviving. Since then, the thought's tormented me every day." that's pretty much all i thought about my junior year of high school i started having panic attacks and shit eventually i just got over it and was like fuck it whatever happens happens but the thought still comes up every now and then
AlexanDerp 02.08.12	I've had a few panic attacks, the feeling you get when having those is one of the worst feeling I've ever experienced.
FreePizzaDay 02.08.12	What if when you die, you end up in a small room. It is just you and a fatherly like figure. You approach him. You ask where everybody is. The man says to you "in this room." He then goes on to explain that he is training you to succeed him. Before you are able to do that, though, he says you must live every human life that ever existed. Every person in history, from you, to Christopher Columbus, to Tutankhamen, to every little peasant that ever that ever lived, that even your own mother, was your same consciousness living that life and slowly accumulating knowledge over billions of lifetimes. To become a god you must have lived the full human experience. Every low, every high, every struggle and ever transient moment of contentment. How mindfucked would you be? I read this somewhere, can't remember where I found the article, but I think about it from time to time. I think I would be awed and sort of disappointed if I learned this was the truth. But mostly I'd just have a headache.
FreePizzaDay 02.08.12	Also, I'd be interested to know what people think of this, particularly people who believe non-existence after death is the most logical assumption. "Occam's razor 'is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions.' Incarnation is possible, as is shown by this incarnated existence. The hypothesis that anything other than another incarnation, I.E. a REincarnation, would occur after this incarnation has ended, would involve the assumption that something other than an incarnation is possible. It could be argued that a simple lack of existence after life would be most likely according to this principle, since we would otherwise have to make the assumption that ANYTHING happens after life. However, to accept the hypothesis of non-existence would involve the assumption that non-existence is even possible. Given that existence has been experienced, and non-existence has not, I feel it would be a greater assumption that this life is followed by nothing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor for more on Occam's Razor. I read this online a while ago and it has really had me pondering. Maybe we reincarnate...
Trebor17 02.08.12	We are mortal When we die that's it
FreePizzaDay 02.08.12	That's fucking boring, humor me here.
Trebor17 02.08.12	Man, humans are the only animals who overstate their existence, we think we are so special and deserving of an afterlife.
Willie 02.08.12	I like it, but it is talking in circles like most philosophical discussions do.... if I put a cat in a box that blocks any sensory output, is there still a cat in the box? How could you 'really' know?
toxin. 02.08.12	"Man, humans are the only animals who overstate their existence, we think we are so special and deserving of an afterlife." Man's the only animal that overstates its existence because it's the only animal that can overstate its existence.
FourthReich 02.08.12	man humans
AlexanDerp 02.08.12	Wonder if someday we'll discover what happens after death.
Pharoh 02.08.12	han mumans
FreePizzaDay 02.08.12	"Man's the only animal that overstates its existence because it's the only animal that can overstate its existence." This. And, what harm can come from exploring these topics? If you simply say "when I die that's it" you may be wrong, you may be right, but you're fucking boring as hell to have a discussion with regardless.
Trebor17 02.08.12	I hope a race of aliens invites us to the federation of planets soon We probably aren't ready though
Zorak 02.08.12	nothing happens after death. You won't even know your dead bro. so just chill
Willie 02.08.12	We'll be the janitors of the citadel.
Trebor17 02.08.12	Humans will one day take over the council Man, Mass Effect takes so much from Star Trek: The Next Generation
Apollo 02.08.12	SputnikPhilosophy.com
andcas 02.08.12	where is kimm when you need her.
FreePizzaDay 02.08.12	Haha, whatever. You guys are lame.
Willie 02.08.12	I've never been a Star Trek fan, so I wouldn't know... but Mass Effect kicks ass. Also, I choose to believe that none of us are alive and that we're all a part of some computer simulation.
FourthReich 02.08.12	"This. And, what harm can come from exploring these topics? If you simply say "when I die that's it" you may be wrong, you may be right, but you're fucking boring as hell to have a discussion with regardless." well said. that is why my group of friends consists solely of Scientologists and Sikhs
devious 02.08.12	Committing suicide. I'll let you know how death is. FOR SCIENCE!!!!!!!
jlech 02.08.12	I agree with Trebor, humans have an entitlement problem. I believe nothing happens after you die, that it is the equivalent to pulling the power chord out on a tv screen. One of the most compelling arguments to "try" to believe in an afterlife comes from a 17th French mathematician named Pascal called "The Wager". The wikipedia article isn't great, but gives you the basic pieces. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
Vesper 02.08.12	"However, to accept the hypothesis of non-existence would involve the assumption that non-existence is even possible. Given that existence has been experienced, and non-existence has not, I feel it would be a greater assumption that this life is followed by nothing." In regards to popular conceptions of the afterlife, you're still positing an existence that is not possibly experienced on Earth (i.e. perfection, nirvana, heaven). So how is that any less of a reach than saying there's nothing? If you believe that physiologically, we are just like other mammals with life-death cycles, I don't see how sentience would imply we have something after death while other mammals don't. Just the ability to think about it (which is fun). Reincarnation might be the most plausible scheme if we're following Occam's Razor, but since your consciousness is not continuous, at least, to your knowledge, I don't see how that's any different from just being nothing after death, since it would basically just be a restart button on a 'soul'.
Gmork89 02.08.12	"Don't be an ass hole, and have a good time"- Devin Townsend.
BallsToTheWall 02.08.12	sputnikintellectuals.com
AlexanDerp 02.08.12	"It's true what they say, death is more perfect than life, that's why we already died."
Trebor17 02.08.12	Suicide? I already died
Willie 02.08.12	I don't particularly believe in afterlife (but I do believe in ghosts so...), but I think the entitlement argument is bullshit. There are too many systems (religions) out there that do believe in in afterlife to be able to just dismiss it as arrogance. I just think a deeper look has to be given to the topic than "humans are self-centered animals that created a bed time story to keep the fear of death at bay" -- although it might be true. Also, The Wager makes perfect sense in a totally logical world. My problem is that it would force me to live contrary to how I want to live, so I lean the other direction -- is it worth potentially wasting my one shot at living a life that I desire just in case there's an invisible man in the sky looking to barbecue my soul? So far my answer has been 'no'.
Apollo 02.08.12	I am a Christian who firmly believes that there is nothing after death. From dust we are and to dust we return.
TomArnoldsArmpit 02.08.12	as someone who just lost his dad 2 nights ago, I can honestly say that the worst part of anyone's death is the anguish that consumes the people he left behind. I only fear making someone who loves me feel the way that I do. death is selfish.
Vesper 02.08.12	Uh, care to explain that a bit more, Apollo? The point of Christianity is the promise of eternal life from believing in Jesus Christ.
Willie 02.08.12	death is only selfish if you directly cause your own death, otherwise it's just inevitability. Sorry for your loss, by the way. I lost my dad while I was in bootcamp and wasn't allowed to leave (not easily).
chambered69 02.08.12	Also, I choose to believe that none of us are alive and that we're all a part of some computer simulation. ^this
Apollo 02.08.12	Not all so called "Christianity" Vesper My beliefs stem from my study of the Bible and it's promises that mankind was meant to live on the earth forever
Apollo 02.08.12	*And further that there is indeed no afterlife, mankind came from the dust as God said in Genesis and to dust he will return
Willie 02.08.12	--My beliefs stem from my study of the Bible and it's promises that mankind was meant to live on the earth forever-- Doesn't that contradict the whole, "I'm gonna die and turn into dirt" part of your last post?
Apollo 02.08.12	sorry Willie...it's hard to explain, as I don't really want to get too involved in a religious discussion on the internet but I will try to explain I believe in a resurrection of mankind on the earth eventually, people still die but when they die, they don't go anywhere. They simply cease to exist. At a certain point and time which only God knows, the resurrection will occur and many will be brought back. I think that's as far as I intend to go on the subject for now, because generally discussing religion in depth on the internet does not end well. Plus, I am enjoying listening to some Katatonia after a 12 hour shift so I'm too wiped ;)
UnnamedOcean 02.08.12	I'm not afraid of death. I know once t comes, that is all, I will never know anything was ever before and I will know nothing further. Sure it's kinda sad to know everything you know will be gone, but once you're dead you won't care. Life is a beautiful thing and should be cherished, not wasted hoping for an afterlife. What I am really afraid of is burning to death or something. Couldn't imagine how horrible it would be.
Willie 02.08.12	That sounds like what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.... anyway, how's the Longing for Dawn listening coming?
BallsToTheWall 02.08.12	Humans......how do they work?
BallsToTheWall 02.08.12	"people still die but when they die, they don't go anywhere. They simply cease to exist. At a certain point and time which only God knows, the resurrection will occur and many will be brought back." " Are you suggesting a zombie apocalypse Apollo?
TomArnoldsArmpit 02.08.12	"death is only selfish if you directly cause your own death, otherwise it's just inevitability. Sorry for your loss, by the way. I lost my dad while I was in bootcamp and wasn't allowed to leave (not easily)." he killed himself. I'm 25, he was 43.
Vesper 02.08.12	Hm... not sure that can be considered Christianity, as it just seems rooted in Judeo-Christian thought, but okay. I'm too argued-out from the DinoX trainwreck earlier to think about a really in-depth religious debate on the internet right now, haha.
Apollo 02.08.12	It's going...to be honest, I tend to listen to funeral doom when there is lots of snow on the ground and Canada is having a ridiculously mild winter so far...I'm working up to it though ;) I did really like what I heard though
Apollo 02.08.12	"Are you suggesting a zombie apocalypse Apollo?" haha yeah let's leave it at that, I like that explanation
jlech 02.08.12	@ Willie Good Points! I didn't necessarily mean that one should completely dismiss a religion because it may have been created to keep our fears at bay. In terms of entitlement I just find it odd. When considering all living things on the planet humans are very rare. Our collection of cells has won the lottery per se and we've been given a chance far greater than nearly everything else in existence. Yet we complain that our lives or this earth isn't enough for us. As for "The Wager" it is just pure math although it is impossible to comprehend what value an "infinite" reward would be against the given joys of a lifetime
wacknizzle 02.08.12	i don't think there is a hell. look at the universe, who knows whats out there but it's not like every living creature gets a heaven and hell. There are souls. We probably just cease to be and feel nothing. Just completely beyond existence. thinking about this right now is seriously weird. i just feel like there is this essence in life that exist in everything. like this feeling that every living thing feels, an indescribable emotion that is death but is impossible truely see in life, you can never put your finger on it, it is the feeling of death, nothingness. It's true, there is something you feel while tripping that was always there but you never noticed. Im not saying you need to do that to understand although ego loss through that does something that the hippies found as a revelation. It's like this static energy that is the architecture of the universe, the soul doesn't weigh much but all the air and space in the universe is filled with this energy of existence, what this substance is i don't know(i hear a static pop in my ears every once in a while, it might be contact with a passing soul of any creature) but there never is nothing, even death isn't nothing. everything has to fit in with the universe that was created, everything makes sense but nothing is perfect and i think thats the sadness(underlying emotion) to it all and the universe takes solace in that. We probably feeling nothing after death, we probably become part of the static energy that holds the universe together.
Apollo 02.08.12	Wacknizzle...dude you have some intelligent thoughts...too bad you're user name will make it next to impossible for anyone to take you seriously or even read that giant paragraph
J1996 02.08.12	This happened to me a couple of years ago but I got over it after a couple of months.
devious 02.08.12	Trebor throwing out that super sneaky death magnetic reference. Touche my good man
wacknizzle 02.08.12	i appreciate apollo, very much. was trying the other day and i can't figure out how to change it other than going to mods even though i can write awesome music and have lots ability with abstract thought.
Funeralopolis 02.08.12	Just wait till college then you'll want to die :/
Apollo 02.08.12	maybe just create a new account?
wacknizzle 02.08.12	community college isn't that bad. besides the psychology teacher that i had last semester and this one is awesome. but fuck algebra, i hate that shit.
wacknizzle 02.08.12	not worth it. if i need too ill find a way.
andcas 02.08.12	life's a list, then you die.
Iamthe Nightstars 02.08.12	No point in being afraid of something you can't avoid.
Vesper 02.08.12	Surprisingly profound, andcas, haha. (If you think of it as people living life as a series of goals, that is.)
BaseballJames 02.08.12	You guys are total bros, brah. Nice to have things put into perspective for a change.