TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.14.12 | Here are some off the top of my head
list = digz
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Shuyin
02.14.12 | aliens was too much, even tho it is a good movie. first one was way better.
universal soldier - regeneration
rush hour 2
rocky 2/3/ rocky balboa
final fantasy - advent childrem |
tarkus
02.14.12 | nice digz |
Foaming
02.14.12 | 1st Evil Dead is better, so is Fellowship of the Ring. |
AngelofDeath
02.14.12 | Nope. Evil Dead 2 and Two Towers are better. |
Satellite
02.14.12 | 3 isn't really a sequel imo. the book was, definitely.
the two towers
the dark knight because no stupid fear gas/katie holmes
the bourne supremecy
star trek: first contact |
sixthgoldenticket
02.14.12 | alien is way better than aliens but agree with this list otherwise |
Lakes
02.14.12 | 7 is debatable, as far as gore goes the first evil dead is better but they both give me lulz anyway so i'd put them at a tie |
Deviant.
02.14.12 | Best LOTR movie is Fellowship |
foreverjohndeered
02.14.12 | the matrix |
Hyperion1001
02.14.12 | fellowship was best, and alien was better than aliens by far
other than that yeah ever though i think evil dead 1 and 2 are about the same |
MUNGOLOID
02.14.12 | Toy Story 2 |
Trebor17
02.14.12 | Star Trek IV |
Hyperion1001
02.14.12 | star wars 1 |
Hep Kat
02.14.12 | am i seriously the first person to mention the dark knight and spider man 2 |
Crysis
02.14.12 | all lotr movies are equally fucking awesome |
Hyperion1001
02.14.12 | no the two towers was significantly worse than fellowship and return |
foreverjohndeered
02.14.12 | bill and ted |
Ire
02.14.12 | leprechaun back 2 tha hood
TROLL 2 |
Trebor17
02.14.12 | Two Towers is my least favorite of the 3
Troll 2 yeah |
Ire
02.14.12 | return of the king is the worst of the three
1 and 2 are equal |
Hep Kat
02.14.12 | return of the king extended edition is like by far the best lotr thing in existence not written down
like i am surprised with you people |
twlichty
02.14.12 | I agree with Hep Kat, The Return of the King is the best lotr.
It's dumb to compare the three though because it's all the same movie, and they're all excellent |
Shuyin
02.14.12 | i think 2 towers has much more atmosphere, epic moments. the battle in the end is fucking awsome
return is overdone, and fellony gets a bit 'oh ok' when they reach the elves thing.. |
Trebor17
02.14.12 | Apollo 13
The first 12 sucked hard |
Crymsonblaze
02.14.12 | I disagree with 6 and 7. I prefer A New Hope and The Evil Dead, but it's more just personal preference really.
X2: X-Men United
That's really all I can think of that hasn't been said. |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.14.12 | ^ haha nice, Trebor |
FourthReich
02.14.12 | no 6 is the best out of all of them imo. |
Deviant.
02.14.12 | Two Towers is terrible
Spend your entire movie building up to a fight that you keep cutting away from when you finally reach it |
Ignimbrite
02.14.12 | 4 is not correct. RotK is the best followed by TFotR. TT is the worst, although it still rules. |
Shuyin
02.14.12 | it has great moments, specially around Frodo. imo the battle was cool, just when the knights arrive it was like 'oh rly'. that and the unnecessary drama added in a few scenes are the movies weak points. after all a king and his knights are suposed to be tough hearted and not going like 'how did we come to this' when the enemy knocks the door |
qwe3
02.14.12 | the two towers was great, probably the best of the series. i like how it cut away, it accentuated the distance between the different members of the fellowship. gave a real sense of isolation to the hobbits.
also it managed to be good despite being based off the worst of the three books. that it also had a pretty clear narrative arc is also impressive seeing as it had to shrug off middle child syndrome |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.15.12 | okay que3.............
sweetness |
andcas
02.15.12 | the silence of the lambs isn't a sequel. it came out first even though it takes place after red dragon in the story line. put
something else instead. |
Satellite
02.15.12 | sam's monologue toward the end of tt is one of my favorite scenes ever |
Satellite
02.15.12 | andcas, i'm guess he was referring to this as being the first film...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091474/
which really makes no sense because tsotl and red dragon (which is based on the book red dragon just like manhunter) exist within the same universe |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.15.12 | Yea Satellite knows what I am talking about
But I replaced it anyways, just for you andcas ;) |
qwe3
02.15.12 | yeah which would make red dragon a prequel which is probably the worst thing ever |
qwe3
02.15.12 | oh way to comment before me guys...
"sam's monologue toward the end of tt is one of my favorite scenes ever"
yeahhhh love that |
Satellite
02.15.12 | but it is a prequel |
andcas
02.15.12 | red dragon had edward norton. therefore red dragon is the shit. |
qwe3
02.15.12 | "return of the king extended edition is like by far the best lotr thing in existence not written down"
except it has like 50 endings holy shit it gets boring.
the extended editions are mad though yeah. return of the king is also the worst because fucking minas tirith battle ends in the most retarded way. oh hey heaps of dead guys came and wiped this shit out nice pacing fuck |
Shuyin
02.15.12 | rotk is too overdone |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.15.12 | "return of the king extended edition is like by far the best lotr thing in existence not written down"
what was that scene where a figure on a horse comes out of the gate and the dude had the weirdest smile/grin ever? |
andcas
02.15.12 | x-men 2 is the only good x-men movie in the whole series. |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.15.12 | because it relies more on story than shock value |
andcas
02.16.12 | yeah and a bad ass character like nightcrawler used to full potential. |
Shuyin
02.16.12 | 'x-men 2 is the only good x-men movie in the whole series.'
there is no good x-men movie at all, sorry. |
andcas
02.16.12 | lies. the second one was amazing. |
paxman
02.16.12 | This is a pretty good worst sequels list |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.16.12 | come on Shuyin don't be a loser |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.16.12 | "This is a pretty good worst sequels list"
Thanks, wait wut? |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | "what was that scene where a figure on a horse comes out of the gate and the dude had the weirdest smile/grin ever?"
The mouth of Sauron |
Trebor17
02.16.12 | I only watch Squeakquels |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.16.12 | Yea that one, Deviant |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.16.12 | = badass |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | It was cut from the movie because it was pointless for it to exist |
Shuyin
02.16.12 | not really, all movies from marvel range from stupid to retarded, except batman
and spider man movies are the biggest joke ever |
Crymsonblaze
02.16.12 | "not really, all movies from marvel range from stupid to retarded, except batman
and spider man movies are the biggest joke eve"
Batman is DC you moron. And the Spider-Man movies are some of the only superhero movies worth watching. |
Shuyin
02.16.12 | w/e
nope, spiddie movs are an insult to spider man itself |
qwe3
02.16.12 | shuyin stop having opinions youre not good at it |
TheVoiceAndTheSnake
02.16.12 | Shuyin I know we are bros, but I have to say this
gtfo |
Vesper
02.16.12 | "It was cut from the movie because it was pointless for it to exist"
No, without it, Aragorn and the rest of them ride up to the gate only to gallop right back once the gates begin to open for Sauron's army. It makes that entire sequence seem really unnecessary and stilted.
It also makes the destruction of the Ring more powerful for the Fellowship since they get the impression that Frodo was captured (and, by extension, the Ring taken back) when the Mouth of Sauron throws Frodo's mithril mail shirt at Gandalf.
But, yeah, it works without it too. :P |
qwe3
02.16.12 | i dont like it cuz its awkwardly done |
Vesper
02.16.12 | Well, Jackson isn't a great director, so. |
Shuyin
02.16.12 | its not an opinion, spider man has so many dumb moments
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qwe3
02.16.12 | it's not an opinion, [shares opinion]
@vesp i think he's a pretty good director he just needs to stop devoting all his time to making shit look pretty with weta. i think he's pretty versatile, he just gets into these ruts like in lotr when hes like ok so im just gonna do a bunch of overhead shots of the uruk hai then some overhead shots of helms deep then overhead shots of the fellowship running then some of the riders of rohan then some more of the uruk hai then ;ajkrgajbvkzs |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | "No, without it, Aragorn and the rest of them ride up to the gate only to gallop right back once the gates begin to open for Sauron's army. It makes that entire sequence seem really unnecessary and stilted."
They back up because who wants to fight in a bottleneck? Unless you're a part of the 300 of course. No the scene doesn't work, because when it happens in the book the reader doesn't know what might have happened to Frodo & Sam. Remember each book is two parts, one for the two hobbits, and the other detailing the exploits of everyone else. But because Jackson cuts back and forth between the two, we know that Frodo & Sam haven't been caught
So, for a scene designed to create suspense it's pointless. Kinda like in TT when they threw Aragorn off a cliff, because even though we all knew the King had to return he still might've died right? RIGHT???? |
Shuyin
02.16.12 | it having dumb moments isnt really an opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuKqQ6plZ_I thats one of them |
Xenophanes
02.16.12 | Fellowship is the only one of the films I enjoyed.
So why didn't they just use the flying bird Gandalf used in the first film, and fly to the mountain and chuck the ring in from a safe distance above? |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | Someone has been watching How It Should Have Ended
"Man thank god we thought of that, someone might've died" |
Xenophanes
02.16.12 | "Someone has been watching How It Should Have Ended"
Actually I think I got it from family guy...? |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | Oh right, because:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU |
Vesper
02.16.12 | Yeah, qwe, I should have been more specific that his direction in LotR gets old, especially his love for the overhead shot, haha.
I mean, it's impressive that that these were all done in one go, but I think that aspect begins to show with the stylistically repetitive shots and awkward cuts from all the editing down they had to do.
"They back up because who wants to fight in a bottleneck? Unless you're a part of the 300 of course."
I meant that it seems pointless for them to ride up there in the first place. I guess it kind of comes off as a "challenge", but it's not like being 200 yards away from the Black Gate is any less of a challenge than being 20 yards away.
"we know that Frodo & Sam haven't been caught"
I wasn't so much pointing to the effect it has on the audience so much as on the remaining members of the Fellowship to think that their friends and the entire point of this diversion, as Legolas so pointedly put it, may have been lost. |
qwe3
02.16.12 | yeah so many people point that out and the reason that didnt happen is THERE WOULDNT HAVE BEEN A FUCKING STORY |
Shuyin
02.16.12 | How It Should Have Ended is fucking hilarious, the predator clip is the best thing ever |
qwe3
02.16.12 | "I wasn't so much pointing to the effect it has on the audience so much as on the remaining members of the Fellowship to think that their friends and the entire point of this diversion, as Legolas so pointedly put it, may have been lost."
agree, he explores it from the point of view of the fellowship rather than the audience. which depending on your view may or may not be weaker.
i think it's weaker but meh |
Crymsonblaze
02.16.12 | "its not an opinion, spider man has so many dumb moments"
Actually it is, and a rather dumb one at that. |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | Yeah it's definitely weaker. Like sure it plays on the fellowship, but seeing as how the viewer is privy to information that the character's aren't it essentially becomes a completely hollow moment, that just would have extended the movie far beyond its already bloated running time |
Vesper
02.16.12 | Yeah, I'd agree with both of you that the theater version was better without the Mouth of Sauron scene as it disrupts the flow of the film more than it's worth, but this is someone who's watched the extended version trilogy in one day, so, you know, I don't mind the extra running time for more book references. :P |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | Tbh I would rather have had that scene than watch the Army of the Dead show up and solve everyone's problems in what essentially ended up as being the most anti-climactic battle I've ever seen, and that ridiculous "I am no man" speech when what's her name kills the Witch King |
andcas
02.16.12 | I was so pissed about how the witch king went out and who killed him. |
Vesper
02.16.12 | All the major battles in each of the films end on a somewhat anti-climactic note, although increasingly so by the third film.
Either of you care to explain this hatred for Éowyn killing the Witch-king? |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | helms deep was by far the worst part of the trilogy'
cmon fucking haldir really? fuk you |
andcas
02.16.12 | if you're expecting me to say cause she's a woman you're out of luck lol. |
Vesper
02.16.12 | Aw. *retracts feminist claws*
No, I'm actually curious and if you take issue with it in the book, as well. |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | It's because yet again it's something that's built up so much yet handled in the worst possible way |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | i did a paper in 11th grade on women in LOTR
got a bad grade tho because the teacher hated me |
Vesper
02.16.12 | Okay.
I was just going to make fun of you for calling "I am no man" a 'speech', but four words from a woman's mouth is four too many, huh? |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | Okay fine, "declaration/statement" :) |
andcas
02.16.12 | it was a lackluster way to dispose of such a built up bad ass and felt forced like a cliche david/goliath moment meant
for cheesy applause. |
Activista anti-MTV
02.16.12 | aliens
no way |
Activista anti-MTV
02.16.12 | term.
yes |
MetallicOpeth
02.16.12 | Godfather II and III
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Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | not better than 1 terbor |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | matrix revolutions was the best of the tirlogy |
andcas
02.16.12 | the fuck it was |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | u no its tru |
Activista anti-MTV
02.16.12 | first 1 |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | Revolutions blows |
Activista anti-MTV
02.16.12 | i always remember the rabbit hole scene, that was crazy first time thru. after that, nothing was surprising |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | deviant u just dont know good cinema |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | I went into that film with high hopes. When they ended Reloaded with Neo unconscious I was hoping that they were going to do some big reveal about the real world simply being another dimension of the computer construct, which would explain why Neo could use his powers. But no, the powers of the one (designed by the creators of the matrix) extend to the real world. Biggest copout ever |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | deviant im pullin ur leg bro it will all be ok |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | That wasn't a response to your comment |
Tyrannic
02.16.12 | revolutions literally has no reason to exist. the second one was ok, but the first one is the only one with any real staying power philosophically. |
Vesper
02.16.12 | Thank you, Dev. :]
"it was a lackluster way to dispose of such a built up bad ass"
Honestly, I laughed so hard at his line "DIE... NOW". Second favorite unintentionally comedic line after Legolas's classic, "A diversion."
But, yeah, that scene was pretty ridiculous from the moment that tiny actor had the upper body strength to behead a fell beast with two strokes, lol. |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | the matrix in general isnt even that philosophic of a film i mean yeah cool fight scenes n stuff but cmon |
Activista anti-MTV
02.16.12 | Yeah, man. The more I get into some of this stuff, the more disappointed I am with the odds and end(ing)s. Just how it goes I guess... |
Tyrannic
02.16.12 | nope, books written just about the first movie. here's the one i read, it's intro level stuff but some of it's pretty dense
http://www.amazon.com/Matrix-Philosophy-Welcome-Popular-Culture/dp/081269502X |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | oh wow somebody overthought that one by like a whole book |
Tyrannic
02.16.12 | welcome to philosophy =_= |
andcas
02.16.12 | the second and third matrix had god awful CGI. like cartoonish rubbish. |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | hahaha the scene where neo fights all the smiths with the concrete pole thing is sooooooooooooooooooo terrible |
Tyrannic
02.16.12 | that scene ruined strippers for me. |
Vesper
02.16.12 | Aside from being an ad, this would have held up better than that fight scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dWU9jPCjkM |
andcas
02.16.12 | keanu reeves is too boring of an actor to even be some big action hero. |
Hyperion1001
02.16.12 | hes one of those "you can only cast me in one role" kind of actors and i think it worked for the original matrix |
andcas
02.16.12 | all I gotta say lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_sINQ4Fxzw |
Tyrannic
02.16.12 | yeah, it was an easy job. all he had to play was a regular dude with absolutely no idea what's going on. there's nothing to neo that isn't supposed to be some (insert religious prophet) statement. |
Emim
02.16.12 | all lotr movies are equally fucking awesome [2]
can't think of lotr without thinking of flight of the conchords "frodo, don't wear the ring" |
Deviant.
02.16.12 | "hahaha the scene where neo fights all the smiths with the concrete pole thing is sooooooooooooooooooo terrible"
There's one shot in that scene, where they go all slow-mo, and for some weird reason Neo (who is completely cgi) has this grin that extends from ear to ear |
Rowan5215
02.16.12 | Fellowship of the Ring > Two Towers. But yeah they all rock. |
qwe3
02.16.12 | "Tbh I would rather have had that scene than watch the Army of the Dead show up and solve everyone's problems in what essentially ended up as being the most anti-climactic battle I've ever seen, "
i wuv when people agree with me on this holy shit that part was a letdown |
Crymsonblaze
02.17.12 | I like Keanu. |
