WithHorsesInHerEyes
04.18.11 | Wrong list is wrong. |
fr33convict
04.18.11 | Mine would be like this:
2
1=4
3 |
KeithStone582
04.18.11 | Love all four of these bands. Couldn't rank them even if I wanted, but Nirvana might be the best. |
Jonnyborg
04.18.11 | I approve of this ranking. |
eternium
04.18.11 | Album wise..
2
4
3
1
All amazing. |
Spec
04.18.11 | In Utero is so much better IMO. |
thecwo
04.18.11 | i'd say...
3
4
1
2
for me. |
mclovin99
04.18.11 | 1 and 2 is so close
still all awesome |
Maniac!
04.18.11 | 2 is best, no exception |
Romulus
04.18.11 | maniac?? |
Maniac!
04.18.11 | Typo, don't worry |
Romulus
04.18.11 | phew that was a scary moment |
Maniac!
04.18.11 | LOL @ pj being better |
Josh D.
04.18.11 | Well you basically got it right, except Nirvana should be last in just about any ranking of anything. |
Josh D.
04.18.11 | And don't listen to Brandon, he actually LIKES Nirvana, lol. |
EpsilonJSTC
04.18.11 | Because liking Nirvana is so wrong, obviously. ಠ_ಠ
I'd rank them 4>3>2=1. |
twlight
04.18.11 | this list is completely right
good job |
Maniac!
04.18.11 | Nirvana isn't bad |
Josh D.
04.18.11 | They are quite bad. |
Iamthe Nightstars
04.18.11 | I never liked Pearl Jam. |
sniper
04.18.11 | no one here ever talks about nirvana. why? |
coneren
04.18.11 | 2
1
4
3 |
Dev518
04.18.11 | Because they talk about Nirvana everywhere else. |
EpsilonJSTC
04.18.11 | Because Nirvana is just oh so un-hip now. |
bungy
04.18.11 | Badmotorfinger is the best |
Maniac!
04.18.11 | I agree that BMF is soundgarden's best |
Romulus
04.18.11 | cobain isnt a genious |
WithHorsesInHerEyes
04.18.11 | Misspelling genius is the hip thing to do. |
asaf
04.18.11 | 2
1
3
4 |
mclovin99
04.18.11 | its even more hip for me to try to edit it and hit the delete button |
ilikeforests
04.18.11 | I have no idea why people still pit Nirvana up against the big grunge bands. Nirvana just doesn't fit in (which is why they're a million times better) |
Josh D.
04.18.11 | Nope. |
badhouses
04.18.11 | cock |
FilupLees
04.18.11 | If you were ranking bands it goes
Nirvana
Soundgarden
Alice In Chains
Pearl Jam |
fr33convict
04.18.11 | (which is why they're a million times better)
lol no |
theacademy
04.18.11 | alice in chains is o much better but all of them are reall good |
porch
04.18.11 | actually out of all these bands, nirvana are the most legitimate to apply the (now admittedly worthless) grunge tag to. they weren't anything amazing but at least they were actually kinda noisy and came from a punk background. bleach and in utero are good albums
most of pearl jams early output is bland, arena rock bullshit with flannel and alice in chains were more metal influenced. like they actually started out as a hair metal band. dirt doesn't do that much for me anymore either |
Ire
04.18.11 | 1. gay
2. gay
3. gay
4. gay |
omnipanzer
04.18.11 | Agree with the ranking but still find it to be unnecessary. ;^) |
badhouses
04.18.11 | yeah boi |
ilikeforests
04.18.11 | "actually out of all these bands, nirvana are the most legitimate to apply the (now admittedly worthless) grunge tag to. they weren't anything amazing but at least they were actually kinda noisy and came from a punk background. bleach and in utero are good albums"
Agree except I listen to Nirvana like they're some twisted version of the Beatles and the other 3 like they're just boring rock bands. That isn't to say I actually listen to any of them anymore |
Defeater
04.18.11 | Pearl Jam is one of the most monotonous, boring, and over-the-top bands in the history of music. Fuck 'em. |
porch
04.19.11 | josh d used to carpool with eddie vedder |
BigHans
04.19.11 | Chains
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Although Ten is the best grunge album |
porch
04.19.11 | sonic knows what's up |
porch
04.19.11 | yeah mudhoneys older stuff rules. and mark arm was actually the first person to use the word grunge as a way of describing music. definitely more appropriate for describing mudhoney and tad than pearl jam
green river were kinda bad though |
Romulus
04.19.11 | bush is the best grunge band |
BigHans
04.19.11 | Tad - Inhaler rules hard.
As does Screaming Trees - Sweet Oblivion. |
TheSpirit
04.19.11 | mother love boneeee |
Romulus
04.19.11 | sonic i was not even a little bit serious |
BigHans
04.19.11 | hey man Sixteen Stone is a kickass album, I dont care what anybody says. |
omnipanzer
04.19.11 | "Tad, mudhoney, green river" & "pearl jam to me is just rock,"
You're a little retarded today Sonic. |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | "and dude i know more about grunge than you omni, deal with it"
No sir, that will never be the case no matter how much you wish it to be so.
Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard, Mark Arm (members of Green River)
Mark Arm (of Mudhoney)
Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard, Andrew Wood (Mother Love Bone)
Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard, Eddie Vedder, Matt Cameron, Mike McCready, Chris Cornell [Temple of the Dog (tribute to Andrew Wood)]
Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard, Eddie Vedder, Matt Cameron, Mike McCready (Pearl Jam)
Chris Cornell, Matt Cameron (soundgarden)
Which of these are not Grunge again Sonic? |
porch
04.20.11 | you're missing his point. it doesn't matter what bands they used to be in, pearl jams music was really clean and polished and didn't really have anything in common with noisier, less marketable bands like killdozer, tad, steel pole bathtub etc that the word grunge was originally used to describe
and mother love bone were more of a cock rock band than anything. horrible band |
JWT155
04.20.11 | Never got the love for Andrew Wood. |
Romulus
04.20.11 | to be totally fair there was no need to attack the list. the "big four," however inaccurate, is pretty much established as those four bands.
however if the argument has now progressed beyond that don't let me spoil the fun |
robertsona
04.20.11 | nirvana are the best forever |
Loanshark
04.20.11 | I agree |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | I haven't missed his point Porch. Those individuals were still the influence on which grunge was built, at least in part.
Mother Love Bone and Pearl Jam are still considered Grunge even if they are the less Grungier of the groups.
I always thought that Soundgarden sounded more Metal, AiC more hard rock and PJ more rock but they are all still considered a part of the Grunge scene or to have sprouted from the Grunge movement at least.
It was there takes on grunge respectively that earned them there first step into the spotlight. |
porch
04.20.11 | if you're using the mainstream music media definitions of it where every band that was based in seattle, had angsty lyrics and wore flannel were grunge, sure
my point is that the term got diluted and became meaningless after a while. and bands aren't defined by what they've done in previous groups |
theacademy
04.20.11 | as long as we're having a pointless genre debate, i disagree with anyone who disputes that the 90's output of these 4 constituted grunge
obviously pj and aic aren't putting out grunge records now, but since grunge is sort of a catchall, fusion of slower alternative rock subgenres, i just don't see how you could convincingly argue otherwise |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | "bands aren't defined by what they've done in previous groups"
I could not agree with this point more but I disagree with your overall point in this thread. Up until Nirvana hit the charts were filled with happy poppy shit. The stuff that all came out of Seattle and labeled as grunge was angst filled and brooding. Grunge does not only refer to the heavy distortion. It also encapsulated there entire attitudes to the industry and how they presented themselves. All of this was very much the opposite of the rock groups that had come directly before them e.g. Motley Crue. Despite the rumors some of us really hated that shit. |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | "if you're using the mainstream music media definitions"
The term was created by the main stream so yes... I'm not really sure of another version. |
theacademy
04.20.11 | i also think its pretty hilarious to call pearl jam arena rock in the early 90's
i mean, c'mon |
porch
04.20.11 | it wasn't created by the mainstream media, it was coined by mark arm of mudhoney to describe dirty, scuzzy, noisy shit, not the clean, polished mainstream stuff that came later. not sure how much more i can expand on this without repeating myself
it became a catch all term, but it actually used to refer a more specific kind of music. just like the way the term emo is now widely misused now. you're arguing with indisputable truth here guys |
AliW1993
04.20.11 | 1. Nirvana
2. Pearl Jam
3. Soundgarden
4. Alice In Chains
All are amazing though |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | Arm said years later, "Obviously, I didn't make grunge up. I got it from someone else. The term was already being thrown around in Australia in the mid-'80s to describe bands like King Snake Roost, The Scientists, Salamander Jim, and Beasts of Bourbon."Arm used grunge as a descriptive term rather than a genre term, but it eventually came to describe the punk/metal hybrid sound of the Seattle music scene.
Funny thing about indisputable facts porch. |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | So yes I'm going with the mainstream version of the term as I assume most people would considering it's how it's being written in the history books. |
porch
04.20.11 | quoting stuff from wikipedia doesn't really change my central point or the music that he was using it to describe
"Grunge is dirt. It is the scum that sticks to your bathtub. Grungey rock ‘n’ roll is dirty, salacious, raw and usually steeped in black humor. There isn’t a whole lotta “grunge” in what is commonly thought of as the Grunge Era. Most of the big records of the time are clean and polished."
|
porch
04.20.11 | 'So yes I'm going with the mainstream version of the term as I assume most people would considering it's how it's being written in the history books.'
okay i'll go with the version where people actually know what they're talking about |
WashboardSuds
04.20.11 | ooooh
Alice in Chains
Soundgarden
Nirvana
Pearl Jam |
theacademy
04.20.11 | yea omni that doesn't really help your case
basically i kinda agree and disagree. porch you sound like the guy who would be like 'if you don't sound like sabbath, priest, dp, motorhead etc. (or other bands that 8 year olds like sonic would call arena rock just bc bands like 3 days grace rip off their shit constantly present day), you don't play true metal!'
Genre is a taxonomical concept, not an artistic one. TBH if most people understand grunge to mean a certain thing, i can't really care enough to try and change their minds.
interesting history tho, it sent me to wikipedia myself... i love old mudhoney but i'd prob say nirvana sounds a lot more like pearl jam than mh |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | I'm disagreeing with your point over all, end of statement.
My quote (which I want to be readily available) was only to point out that your "indisputable truth" was disputed by Mark Arm whom you incorrectly credited with coining the term. |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | I'm sorry if I'm not making my point well enough but I have a hard time seeing how anyone would remove a group from a genre when that group is central to that genre. |
porch
04.20.11 | “My quote (which I want to be readily available) was only to point out that your "indisputable truth" was disputed by Mark Arm whom you incorrectly credited with coining the term.”
arm was the first person to use it as a way of describing that whole late 80’s noise rock/sub pop/amrep sound, which was then later approximated by mainstream media to describe pretty much everything from seattle after 'nevermind'. that isn't really debatable. and you wouldn’t be using the term to describe this music if he hadn’t. you’re not actually proving my main point wrong by nitpicking on little details.
‘basically i kinda agree and disagree. porch you sound like the guy who would be like 'if you don't sound like sabbath, priest, dp, motorhead etc. (or other bands that 8 year olds like sonic would call arena rock just bc bands like 3 days grace rip off their shit constantly present day), you don't play true metal!'’
metal and rock are widely encompassing, fairly subjective genres so i wouldn’t make any retarded claims that a particular band doesn’t fit. grunge was a little subgenre that had more of a distinct sound pre-nevermind. people can call it what they like now but i’m just pointing out the roots of the term to people who seem to be completely unaware. obvs it doesn't actually matter in 2011 but hey this is where we come to waste time |
omnipanzer
04.20.11 | but hey this is where we come to waste time [2] |
DoubtGin
04.20.11 | Ten |
TheSpirit
04.20.11 | hmmm porch i thought you would like mother love bone for some reason...hmm oh well. keep teachin these kids |
theacademy
04.20.11 | "obvs it doesn't actually matter in 2011 but hey this is where we come to waste time"
site tagline, basically |
dimsim3478
04.20.11 | Nirv
Pearl
Sound
Al |
porch
04.20.11 | yea they never did anything for me spirit :( |
TheSpirit
04.20.11 | it's all good my friend, completely understandable |
