KimmsightMatters: Respect...

KimmsightMatters 04.24.11	Cool, was not expecting album art for 3 to show up. Please excuse my multiple typos.
Neenahskater 04.24.11	I AGREE with you. just saying
savagecabbage 04.24.11	you have balls
PayneTiger777 04.24.11	I respect you. You just have to learn to ignore what other people say sometimes.
Winsomniac 04.24.11	COME AT HER, BROS!
patroneyes 04.24.11	ard
Maniac! 04.24.11	I completely agree. Unfortunately you take the website and the people on it way too seriously. Therefore you are going to be trolled.
Wolfhorde 04.24.11	^ Verbal hit in the groin. Also there was some civilized discussion ongoing sowtfsrsly.
KimmsightMatters 04.24.11	I don't so much care what people say, it's just the extent to which people carry it. Do you have any idea how much time I've wasted writing lists only to have it taken down in the same day? Sheesh.
climactic 04.24.11	...WALK!
andcas 04.24.11	zombie jesus rose on the 3rd day with a thirst for human prayers.
Maniac! 04.24.11	I'm sorry but if you take the philosophical views of a music website overrun with teenagers who barely know what they're talking about (including myself here), then you deserve to get messed with.
Maniac! 04.24.11	"Do you have any idea how much time I've wasted writing lists only to have it taken down in the same day? Sheesh." Someone is a slow learner.
Idnuf 04.24.11	You can't say you're surprised anymore. Everyone knows exactly what's in store when they see a list by you. It's always a 500 page religious debate.
whywontyoudie 04.24.11	Jesus wasn't a zombie, he was a lich. Zombies don't do magic.
savagecabbage 04.24.11	This list is not going to work out for you.
Maniac! 04.24.11	"You can't say you're surprised anymore. Everyone knows exactly what's in store when they see a list by you. It's always a 500 page religious debate." Especially when you see a list by kimm you know it is probably a diary entry of her day
savagecabbage 04.24.11	D.I.S. you forgot this
OutOfMyself 04.24.11	WE DO WHAT WE WANT
KimmsightMatters 04.24.11	Yeah, I probably make my lists too personal sometimes - it can be fun to share a story and hear similar ones from you guys.
whywontyoudie 04.24.11	Kimm, honestly i think you're alright. But [insert comment about not taking things seriously/being too personal] could really help.
andcas 04.24.11	my bad whywontyoudie. visible easter bunny is where it's at. he gives treats.
whywontyoudie 04.24.11	my step-dad rented an easter bunny costume for my younger cousins this weekend. it was great.
andcas 04.24.11	that's what easter is all about. good for him. sounds awesome. what color?
Maniac! 04.24.11	he sounds like a pedophile
Wolfhorde 04.24.11	Also I don't get the offending or bad point of a rather civilized philosophical discussion. It may not have been in a fashion that utterly agrees with your belief but you'd really have to be one ignorant dickhead to be pissy about that.
pmmets07 04.24.11	to master the internet, you must first realize other peoples' opinions don't mean shit. don't let it bother you.
KimmsightMatters 04.24.11	Wolfhorde - I didn't delete any of the comments that were expressive of a real opinion. Just the ones about the best day of the year being church burning days and the filler comments that are completely useless to any intelligent conversation. So basically all of sonic's posts.
Wolfhorde 04.24.11	Snap, my point just got floated. So I'm just gonna agree with Brandon here, even though he's sometimes like a chinese hipster on speed.
savagecabbage 04.24.11	the poop that took a pee
wabbit 04.24.11	Internetz serious business
theacademy 04.24.11	stop censoring people who do you think you are
Maniac! 04.24.11	"So I'm just gonna agree with Brandon here, even though he's sometimes like a chinese hipster on speed." just pissed myself laughing. "Woohoo!"
InFiction 04.24.11	I'm all for respect, but unfortunately there's always gonna be someone having a go at you.
Josh D. 04.24.11	You are frustrated with people saying things you don't like, so you make ANOTHER list to reference it? Good idea.
whywontyoudie 04.24.11	"that's what easter is all about. good for him. sounds awesome. what color?" white "he sounds like a pedophile " i said this and my grandma agreed. weird.
andcas 04.24.11	when it's all that's ever shoved down our throats it goes from a personal preference to annoying. carlin:"thou shall keep thy religion to thyself."
YetAnotherBrick 04.24.11	^ lawl Seriously, though, I think you may be getting "disrespect" confused with the fact that a lot of people on this site just say funny shit 'cause they think it's funny. And it's not like they worry about hurting anyone's feelings (even though they're not purposely trying to, either, most of the time), because they don't know you, so to them, there's not really any feelings to hurt. Just my two cents.
YetAnotherBrick 04.24.11	i meant "lawl" to Josh's comment lol
Wolfhorde 04.24.11	"just pissed myself laughing." I so knew you'd do that.
climactic 04.24.11	seriously, no one gives a shit about your beliefs, or religion, or anyone else's for that matter. it's nothing personal. stop getting so offended, you don't know any of these people and the paragraphs upon paragraphs you type up make you come off as overly sensitive and whiny. you're acting as if you're surprised, but your super religious lists are just asking for bashing at this point, and you can't change that, sorry.
YetAnotherBrick 04.24.11	^ There is a lot of truth to that, too.
foreverendeared 04.24.11	YetAnotherBrick has it. The serious discussions are great. Everything else is just trying to be funny. Don't take it so seriously.
KimmsightMatters 04.24.11	Haha. Well I guess when it's Easter I feel entitled to make a list of Easter music on a music website. See how that works? Half the time my lists get deleted they have nothing to do with religion until someone else brings it up.
Baphomet 04.24.11	Ugh. This is why I hate you so much. You've been in this sito long enough to know what kind of reaction a list like that would get. List got almost 300 comments. Now you make another list bitching about this "respect" that is such an important and traditional aspect of this site. It will probably get 400+ comments. tl;dr: You're an attention whore. Please quit your bitching or go away. Thanks.
Knott- 04.24.11	HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!
AngelofDeath 04.24.11	Happy Easter.
Josh D. 04.24.11	Lol, Adam.
whywontyoudie 04.24.11	hey look, it's Knott!
climactic 04.24.11	baph's got it
YetAnotherBrick 04.24.11	@Stokes Yeah, that's true, two wrongs don't make a right. I mean, sometimes the comments are funny. But yeah, definitely not all the time XD And remember everyone, she may be the attention whore, but you're the ones giving the attention.
wabbit 04.24.11	Kimm maybe people would respect you if you treated this as a music site where you talk about music instead of treating it as your own blog with automatic followers to boost your self-esteem...just throwing that out there.
Spec 04.24.11	Don't bother using the site if you don't want to see things like that. You're awesome but seriously...
SeaAnemone 04.24.11	Kimm, serious question: do you think all points of view deserve a level of respect?
taroo 04.24.11	I would respect you if you listen to Team Shanghai Alice
savagecabbage 04.24.11	sonic you got their panties in a twist on easter.
shrapnel 04.24.11	"Just because we're on the 'net does not mean we shouldn't be respectful of others." that's the whole point of the 'net it's a place where we can insult others, hide behind our keyboards and say whatever we want to whoever we want without fear of any repercussions
savagecabbage 04.24.11	yeah you cadbury cunt
shrapnel 04.24.11	"I would respect you if you listen to Team Shanghai Alice" lol taroo where have you been
taroo 04.24.11	I've been... away... far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far away
Josh D. 04.24.11	IOSYS
foreverendeared 04.24.11	"it's a place where we can insult others, hide behind our keyboards and say whatever we want to whoever we want without fear of any repercussions" someone ban this cunt and teach him a lesson
shrapnel 04.24.11	I see Josh is still stalking you
Deviant. 04.24.11	That Jesus guy was reasonably tolerant
savagecabbage 04.24.11	did Jesus go to church?
shrapnel 04.24.11	@ foreverendeared stfu fucktard what lesson would that teach me? I can just make an alt and keep doing whatever I want
andcas 04.24.11	we know you celebrate easter without a list kimm.
YetAnotherBrick 04.24.11	lmao at Deviant XD
americanmusicmachine 04.24.11	i met those guys in leeland. they're pretty cool guys.
foreverendeared 04.24.11	Did I make the joke too complicated for you?
shrapnel 04.24.11	@ foreverendeared actually yeah! I didn't get it at first lol
foreverendeared 04.24.11	haha okay, good
acorncheese 04.24.11	"dude this list is gay" LOL
Slum 04.24.11	R E S P E C T tell u wat it mene 2 me..!
Maniac! 04.24.11	"Ugh. This is why I hate you so much. You've been in this sito long enough to know what kind of reaction a list like that would get. List got almost 300 comments. Now you make another list bitching about this "respect" that is such an important and traditional aspect of this site. It will probably get 400+ comments. tl;dr: You're an attention whore. Please quit your bitching or go away. Thanks." /thread
ConsiderPhlebas 04.24.11	Your 'Zombie Jesus' list was a great attention dodger, Maniac! Nothing whorish about at all. Ahem.
Maniac! 04.24.11	There's a difference between doing it in jest/mockery and doing what Kimm does
someguest 04.24.11	The reason it feels you don't get "respect" here is because the contrasting opinions clearly outnumber your own. It's just the way it is. You're a Christian female on a website dominated by atheist males, how did you think it was going to be?
Enotron 04.24.11	didn't read any of this thread, but did anybody mention that respect has to be earned? i don't really know who this person is but i see lots of people posting about her
Maniac! 04.24.11	Also I said /thread sir.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.24.11	"There's a difference between doing it in jest/mockery and doing what Kimm does" I'm sure real whores have varying motivations. The result is the same.
Maniac! 04.24.11	Lol good point.
wabbit 04.24.11	you guys should see the castle I build in minecraft.
foreverendeared 04.24.11	I don't wanna.
climactic 04.24.11	picture
ConsiderPhlebas 04.24.11	Why is everyone agreeing with me today. Have I become agreeable? Urgh. Seriously, though, people saying Kimm is an attention whore is bollocks. She's hardly the only person on the net who likes to talk about her life, we all do it. If she wanted more attention she could aim for religious debates, but she doesn't, she just mentions religion in the context of her life. Unless she's particularly subtle, the argument is void.
Josh D. 04.24.11	" I didn't delete any of the comments that were expressive of a real opinion. Just the ones about the best day of the year being church burning days " Lol, missed that part.
grindcore777 04.25.11	stupid girl.
fr33convict 04.25.11	I agree with Phlebas.
andcas 04.25.11	phlebas and fr33 are gentlemen. back by 9 pops? no problem.
Crysis 04.25.11	Respect and internet don't mix, unfortunately.
JWT155 04.25.11	Anyone else expecting an Aretha Franklin list?
MetallicOpeth 04.25.11	Hopefully she realizes this isnt the best place to have religious debates
Wolfhorde 04.25.11	If she's really doing what pit says that could even be a symptom of mental illness called attention deficiency.
geng 04.25.11	What's a Jesus?
ConsiderPhlebas 04.25.11	Yeah I'm sure she's aware that any talk of religion will get some attention, but what I'm saying is that she could get a lot more, so the idea that the attention is her main focus seems unlikely.
Acanthus 04.25.11	I enjoy 2, haven't heard the others. The rest of the comment page was a bad case of tl;dr to be honest.
cirq 04.25.11	tl;dr stop crying.
Maniac! 04.25.11	2 sucks though
Acanthus 04.25.11	Thanks for catching me up to speed, I take it there's a lot of "this is teh internetz" talk going on amirite? 2 was good imo
Spec 04.25.11	Awr-Eee-Ess-Pee-Eee-See-Tee
WeepingBanana 04.25.11	internet trolls: sad people who take them seriously: sadder
Motiv3 04.25.11	get what you're saying about respect and all but seriously you've made about a million lists like this.
someguest 04.25.11	number of lists is getting close to the number of ratings aw
Acanthus 04.25.11	And now I have 1000 comments because of this one, awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remer17 04.25.11	Shut up.
Acanthus 04.25.11	The internet is a dangerous place, rage can be found everywhere. I've never had an issue with Kim, I just find it interesting that so much happens in response to discussions started/contributed by her.
someguest 04.25.11	we think it's cool making a woman feel bad on the internet it's like e-trailer-rage
Acanthus 04.25.11	"it's like e-trailer-rage" Good analogy there sir.
North0House2 04.25.11	My comments are always pretty indifferent, everywhere. But, I'm only indifferent, always.
North0House2 04.25.11	thx.
someguest 04.25.11	but she's obligated to shout it from the mountain top pit AND I'M GONNA SHOUT IT!!!
someguest 04.25.11	i have faith the size of a mustard seed better get off that mountain before I move it
wabbit 04.25.11	also she has terrible taste in music (both objectively and subjectively)
badhouses 04.25.11	dear anonymous internet users, why do you disrespect my beliefs?????
taxidermist 04.25.11	Why can't we ALL just get along!
Vesper 04.25.11	Girl, you can't get respect on this site because you 1) are a girl 2) are Christian and 3) have exactly the music taste I'd expect from the combination of the first two reasons.
Wolfhorde 04.25.11	"Why can't we ALL just get along!" Because that would be the most boring thing ever and result in something worse than the late roman decadence.
andcas 04.25.11	and a little bit softer now...AND A LITTLE BIT SOFTER NOW
taxidermist 04.25.11	I shall remain neutral.
Wolfhorde 04.25.11	"Thanks for repeating me, Wolfhorde. I don't think they got the point the first time." Always.
andcas 04.25.11	I'll get to religion Tina, but first Taiwan, A Japanese colony until 1945!
Maniac! 04.25.11	I HAVE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING!!! JESUS LOVES ME!!!! I KNOW THIS IS LIKE THE 8,000TH TIME I'VE TOLD YOU, BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP TELLING YOU UNTIL YOU RESPECT ME!!! ARARWEHRAWEHROAWIGWOGBWOGBEWOBGO!!! Laughing so hard right now.
Wolfhorde 04.25.11	He's just been on drugs lately.
Josh D. 04.25.11	JACOB SILJ
Xenophanes 04.25.11	As if I could hate you anymore Kimm. Tbh, it's shit like this that sort of proves that this site isn't a fit for you, and that you'd probably be more happy at a place like Absolute Punk.
Josh D. 04.25.11	Or Webkinz.
Xenophanes 04.25.11	Gaia online lol
acorncheese 04.25.11	you play sonic?
Asiatic667 04.25.11	hey remember when KimmsightMatters profile pic was her in a bee costume? I was sure she was a troll back then, but obviously not
spillingmercury 04.25.11	Happy day after Easter.
andcas 04.25.11	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN7wLtJhUBo&feature=related lmao
Josh D. 04.25.11	Happy nor'easter. Signed, The Perfect Storm Meteorology jokes ftw.
Josh D. 04.25.11	Good movie, sacdna.
Satellite 04.25.11	bill maher is a smug asshole, but religulous was pretty good
andcas 04.25.11	I love bill maher and his smug asshole ways. carlin approved.
Josh D. 04.25.11	He's pretty smug, but he's not an idiot.
Asiatic667 04.25.11	that it was. I've been digging deep into books revealing religious skullduggery recently, and theres a lot to read about. As always Knowledge > Jebus
Satellite 04.25.11	doug stanhope > bill maher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExAw4hIhRIU
Josh D. 04.25.11	Nah.
Asiatic667 04.25.11	thanks for the clip Satellite, that was great.
andcas 04.25.11	jim jefferies> both of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo
foreverendeared 04.26.11	I don't like Bill Maher, I think he's a pompous ass. Religulous was kind of funny, but ended up being a terrible case against religion. Doug Stanhope is phenomenal. Not quite laugh out loud funny the entire time, but his cynical point of view on things is completely fresh and original. Jim Jefferies is pretty funny. I like him better than Bill Maher for sure.
Sanders 04.26.11	I'm a cynical agnostic, but hope you had a cracking Easter!
jayfatha 04.26.11	...WALK! [2]
tkxxx7 04.26.11	omg Kimm
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	"hey remember when KimmsightMatters profile pic was her in a bee costume?" Spider actually.
Gmork89 04.26.11	It's going to be great when the government starts making internet police that arrest people for trolling, Sputnik won't last a week.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	LMAO Gmork I just want to say the funny thing about this situation is that you guys all say I take you way too seriously... ...and meanwhile, you are all taking me way too seriously.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	so wait wait just fucking wait you AREN'T christian ? oh God , we've been trolled
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	Kimm, serious question: do you think all points of view deserve a level of respect?
dnor 04.26.11	WHAT A FUCKING PARADOX.
Sanders 04.26.11	"so wait wait just fucking wait you AREN'T christian ? oh God , we've been trolled" I'd fucking love it if she was the founder of the Richard Dawkins fanclub.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	you didn't even see what I did there @Sea you weren't talking to me but: I think all EDUCATED points of view deserve SOME respect. If you hear the facts before making a decision , then okay .
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	Yes, of course I am actually a Christian.
dnor 04.26.11	Educated. That's an opinionated term. To me, believing half the shit in the bible seems completely UNEDUCATED. (P.S. not trying to start anything with that statement, I'm not religious, I don't bash on religious people, it's just my views.)
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	I agree with whoever said it earlier, but respect should be earned. People don't flood my list with absurd and hurtful comments because I don't go around saying idiotic things like 'the earth is 6,000 years old'
Gmork89 04.26.11	It's easy to say " Don't take it seriously", but it doesn't take being a hyper-sensitive to get sick of some of you people.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	maybe educated was the wrong word . informed ?
Sanders 04.26.11	I know a creationist GP who doesn't believe in dinosaurs. His kids are fucked up. I don't think they were allowed to watch Jurassic Park.
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	ask Kimm. Hey Kimm, where do dinosaurs come from? Were the bones put there by God to test our faith? Looks like you passed that test!
Gmork89 04.26.11	Sputnikreligion.com
dnor 04.26.11	yeah, I see how you meant "educated" now tk. And I agree with you....the only time an informed view shouldn't be respected is when the person spouting off the idea is resistant to respecting your afflicting opinion.
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	I have absolutely nothing against Christians. My longtime girlfriend is a Christian. My parents are Christian. Some of the people I have the most respect for in this world are Christian. But obviously not all Christians are alike... whether you want to pin the source of Kimm's ignorance on her faith is questionable... but it's incredible ignorance nonetheless.
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	yeah... informed by 'what' though? My dad watches Glenn Beck and has read his book... does that make him 'informed'? No.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	I think there are different levels of respect. There is the respect that I believe is owed to every human being just for the fact that they are a person. Then there is a respect that is earned - that respect includes things like trust, honor and admiration. I think everyone deserves compassion and everyone deserves to be treated respectfully even if you don't respect that person. "Respect" is a verb and a noun. In light of that, I think everyone deserves respect, even if they are not respected per se. Does that sort of make sense? Sorry, I'm not very eloquent.
Vesper 04.26.11	"...and meanwhile, you are all taking me way too seriously." So... we can completely disregard your original frustration with being disrespected on this site? Or do you want people to just take you somewhat seriously? What is it that you want?
tkxxx7 04.26.11	well i know some of you read James David Eli and are smart and shit what i'm trying to say is , people should take the time to here every side of a situation before spouting their opinions . that's all
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	Oh so Kimm, you would respect others' faiths then?
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	Also I believe that dinosaurs were created with the other animals. I don't know why any Christian would say they didn't exist. Also I'm truly not an ignorant person, I just feel like on this website people don't want to try to come to any understandings, they only want to have fun at the expense of others. Sorry I come across that way.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"I have absolutely nothing against Christians. My longtime girlfriend is a Christian. My parents are Christian. Some of the people I have the most respect for in this world are Christian. But obviously not all Christians are alike... whether you want to pin the source of Kimm's ignorance on her faith is questionable... but it's incredible ignorance nonetheless. " I think I love you, Sea.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	I think people can, or should expect a certain level of respect without earning it first. Allowing someone the opportunity to earn a more developed level of respect means giving them the time of day, involves the assumption that they deserve to be heard and a general attitude of basic friendliness. If we all treated each other like shit for one aspect of the other person's character, that we happen to dislike, nothing would ever get done.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	Sea - I show respect to people of other faiths. I don't think that makes what they believe right by any stretch because if I believed other faiths were "correct" or "true", I would not be a real Christian.
dnor 04.26.11	uh oh.
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	Fair enough. This is obviously just a difference of what we thought 'respect' means... I mean it IS a pretty vague term, so thanks for clarifying.
Sanders 04.26.11	I am quite curious to know how literally you take the Bible, Kimm. Not in a piss-take way, I'm actually interested.
Maniac! 04.26.11	Not this shit again.
Vesper 04.26.11	"There is the respect that I believe is owed to every human being just for the fact that they are a person." Tell this to the millions of people who have been persecuted, died, or suffered cultural genocide as a result of Christianity's foundational lack of this principle.
Sanders 04.26.11	Wouldn't be a day ending in a "Y" if we didn't have a list like this.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"I think everyone deserves compassion and everyone deserves to be treated respectfully even if you don't respect that person. " You don't actually believe this. I mean, maybe you do, but if you do I guess that makes you kind of an asshole. Do you really believe that Hitler deserved compassion?
Maniac! 04.26.11	MAKE IT STOP
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	"I am quite curious to know how literally you take the Bible, Kimm. I do take the Bible literally, and by that I mean I read it as I would any other literature. Some is history, some is poetry, some is civil/judicial laws that were appropriate for a certain group of people at a certain point in history and we have to take each piece for what it is. Vesper - Christians have suffered "dark ages" for sure - it just goes to show that corruption is everywhere. But that doesn't reflect Christian beliefs, it reflects the hearts of sinful people.
Ovrot 04.26.11	Norsemen knew whats up.
Sanders 04.26.11	So would you say Old Testament is more poetry than history?
Maniac! 04.26.11	Hail Odin!
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"f I believed other faiths were "correct" or "true"" Let me clarify that: If I believed a belief was true, I'd be total ignorant dickwad that has no clue what "belief" means. Oh, and if everyone deserves respect. So do people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao or those guys doing "ethnic cleanups" in Azerbaijan and Armenia?
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	Kimm: so the stoning of disobedient children to death as it says to do in Deuteronomy 21:18-21 was a result of natural sin and not of God's Word?
Ovrot 04.26.11	Ya!! Amon Amarth does not approve of the Thor movie
Sanders 04.26.11	Valhalla would be my preferred afterlife.
KILL 04.26.11	st anger round his neck
dnor 04.26.11	I do take the Bible literally, and by that I mean I read it as I would any other literature. Some is history, some is poetry, some is civil/judicial laws THE FUCK? You do realize that in this book there is multiple accounts of completely unbelievable shit. (i.e. 40days/40nights of non-stop rain with an old man building an ark large enough to house two of every animal on earth, a garden with only TWO people where humanity is believed to have started except a TALKING FUCKING SNAKE got them in a shit load of trouble with god, and I'm not even going to TOUCH all the fallacies associated with the story of Jesus....I could keep going....yet you follow this book unweaveringly...unbelievable.)
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	In theory I think Hitler deserved compassion. I think the worst, most deranged monsters of humanity deserve compassion because the only other option is to sink to their level. Also, the idea that any pain you could have put Hitler through would have been even slightly enough for his crimes is ridiculous. If anything, it would trivialise his actions.
dnor 04.26.11	Also, I firmly believe there is more truth in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban than there is in the entirety of the bible.
Vesper 04.26.11	No, you need to take a religion class, Kimm, preferably one dealing with Christianity and its constructions of race. Christianity hinges on the notion of there existing God's chosen people - formerly Israelites, now Christians - and those who are not - the (illegitimate) other who must be saved. Say what you will, but this basic principle of Christianity continues to create differences and hierarchies, even if they are more innocuous now than they used to be. I say this being fully conscious of the various types of texts in the Bible and that some can be taken as allegory. But the fundamental contradiction of Christianity is that you love everyone, but at the same time, make the other, therefore, less human, those who are not Christian.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	In the historical books of the Bible (the first 5 books, really) God did a LOT of fucked up shit. It wasn't sinful people who commanded the Israelite armies to commit genocide and rape and enslave women and children, it was God who commanded it. I can't see how anyone can get through the Old Testament and still call the book "Holy" and "God's Word."
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"In theory I think Hitler deserved compassion. I think the worst, most deranged monsters of humanity deserve compassion because the only other option is to sink to their level." An interesting theory, but having zero compassion on one monster of humanity isn't sinking to his level. To sink to his level you would have to be responsible for a genocide at the least.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Also there's these nice guys called "theologists" that have very good reasons not to take the bible literally. And these are professional scientists who get paid for it. (Good example of a good Christian theologist would be G. Theißen) Also interpreting things without the historical context is as ridiculous as is it nonsense. That there wer politics back in the day that had some influence on society and the mentalities evolving out of that. Also, showing compassion for a sociopath won't change anything, except of maybe making him spit in your face. You can't always act like the "nice guy"
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	Plebas, I'm sorry if this offends you, but I agree with what you just said and would like to reiterate your point. As for all the OT civil laws - I've struggled with that and questioned it, but I've come to understand it. If you don't believe in God or know his nature you never will understand it. Wolfhorde - If I believe one thing, but I believe that someone whose beliefs oppose mine is also right... Then I really wouldn't believe anything. I can't believe in God, and also not believe in him. Either God exists or he doesn't.
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	"I've struggled with that and questioned it, but I've come to understand it." OK, so how do you understand it?
Maniac! 04.26.11	"As for all the OT civil laws - I've struggled with that and questioned it, but I've come to understand it. If you don't believe in God or know his nature you never will understand it. " ahaahahahhah ohhhhhhhh man hahahahahha
dnor 04.26.11	Eric, that's obvious. It's the Christian mantra.... "God works in mysterious ways..."
Sanders 04.26.11	Ricky Gervais' opinion of that phrase makes me laugh.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	This thread went downhill as soon as someone thought they could have an intelligent conversation with Kimm.
YetAnotherBrick 04.26.11	It's cop-out after cop-out after cop-out with these Christians. Like, whenever I ask one to elaborate on a "religious experience" they once had, where they "saw" or "heard" God or whatever, it's always "I just felt it, it's unexplainable." Maybe it's unexplainable because there's nothing to explain. It's a load of shit.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	I think having compassion on people like Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc is just lunacy.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	No you wouldn't. His lack of humanity could be equalled quite easily through the treatment of one individual, and a lack of any compassion would be the surest route. There isn't some internal abyss that you travel down with an increased number of victims; as soon as life becomes empty enough that you have the right to sweep it away, you've lost any sense of your humanity and have sunk to the lowest you can go. Saying that compassion makes anyone an asshole is just reactionary nonsense. Revenge and retribution corrupts the person doing it, regardless of the romanticised Hollywood drivel that has been spewed out over the last few decades.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"Wolfhorde - If I believe one thing, but I believe that someone whose beliefs oppose mine is also right... Then I really wouldn't believe anything. I can't believe in God, and also not believe in him. Either God exists or he doesn't." I never said that. The only thing I said is knowing that your belief is true is as paradox as it is bullshit. Now that last sentence is just pure infantile dogmatism. It's like saying "either you're republican or you're democratic, there's no in between!" which in fact supports the fact that christianity was build on intolerance. And this is whether you believe it or not a resemblence of intolerance. Either you BELIEVE it or not. But radical statement like yours are one of the biggest reasons people have a bad picture of religious people.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	I'm actually doing Evolution homework right now. What do you think of Evolution, Kimm?
TheEnigma 04.26.11
Xenophanes 04.26.11	Blank post. So enigmatic.
Maniac! 04.26.11	she thinks macro-evolution is a lie, but micro-evolution is a-ok
foreverendeared 04.26.11	YetAnotherBrick, yes it's what is often referred to as the transcendent or the luminous which Christians often use as a non sequitur to the belief in God, when the two have nothing to do with each other.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	@Manic: That doesn't even make any sense.
Maniac! 04.26.11	That was the point. It's a stupid thing I hear all the time
Sanders 04.26.11	Ricky Gervais on "God moves in mysterious ways" - first 2 and a half mins of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btc4kDMZTZs
DurzoBlint 04.26.11	rofl this thread.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"No you wouldn't. His lack of humanity could be equalled quite easily through the treatment of one individual, and a lack of any compassion would be the surest route. There isn't some internal abyss that you travel down with an increased number of victims; as soon as life becomes empty enough that you have the right to sweep it away, you've lost any sense of your humanity and have sunk to the lowest you can go. Saying that compassion makes anyone an asshole is just reactionary nonsense. Revenge and retribution corrupts the person doing it, regardless of the romanticised Hollywood drivel that has been spewed out over the last few decades. " That first sentence sound like some Karma bullshit. And I can assure you, there is no such thing as Karma or "cosmic equality". And how on earth is showing compassion to a sociopath making him showing compassion? I seriously don't believe you can turn a narcisisst around who believes he's invincible and commited a genocide purely based on what people believed out of idiotic reasons with "compassion & love". But I don't know any psychological tests that turned murderers and sociopaths locked up in high security prisons into "loving members of society" just by showing them compassion, do you? I mean being optimistic is a nice thing. But there's a thin line between optimism and crazy naivity.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	This thread is getting the exact opposite reaction she wanted. Guise, we should show her some respect.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	Phlebas, there's a difference between the mass killing of a group of people, and the killing of one man based upon his individual actions, whether you note the difference or not.
TheEnigma 04.26.11	I believe that what Kimm meant to say is that if a person believes in God, it doesn't make sense for them to also not believe in God, and vice versa. One could perhaps be undecided, but that does not mean they believe both - it means they don't fully believe either way. The pointlessness of having this conversation in this location extends far beyond the "lack of respect" - it's just too much information from too many people who all have different perspectives. Christianity in itself has become so divided and corrupted that everyone has a different idea of what the term even means.
Gmork89 04.26.11	Ya, well I'm going to Valhalla.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	"The pointlessness of having this conversation in this location extends far beyond the "lack of respect" - it's just too much information from too many people who all have different perspectives." This^ Now let's go back to being assholes.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Me too. I'm gonna be the one who'll make mead all day and maybe fight with Brandon.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"The pointlessness of having this conversation in this location extends far beyond the "lack of respect" - it's just too much information from too many people who all have different perspectives." But this is exactly why the discussion ISN'T pointless. It makes it fascinating and worth having.
Hep Kat 04.26.11	stupid thread
Maniac! 04.26.11	"Me too. I'm gonna be the one who'll make mead all day and maybe fight with Brandon." That'd be a good show, wouldn't it?
iFghtffyrdmns 04.26.11	one two three four five
Xenophanes 04.26.11	Not to sound like a dick but Sputnik isn't the place for such conversations. Although my peers are here, and honestly, there really are a lot of intelligent people on the site, it just really isn't the place for it.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Hell yeah. And maybe we can get Odin to lend us his spear so we can annoy Hans.
Gmork89 04.26.11	Of course he will let us use it.
Maniac! 04.26.11	/m/
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"Not to sound like a dick but Sputnik isn't the place for such conversations." Sputnik wasn't meant for these types of conversations, but it doesn't make them any less worth having. I mean, it's not like we're inconveniencing anyone or harming anyone (except perhaps some people's sensibilities).
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	I guess my aim in talking about my faith is that I'm trying to express the way everything in my life (including music) runs parallel to that. Unfortunately everything I say seems to be taken horribly out of context.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	I'm not talking about karma, and I'm aware that it doesn't exist, but thanks for reassuring me, anyway. I'm talking about the psychological effects of treating someone without compassion. And what the fuck are you talking about with the whole turning them into loving members of society? And treating them with love? When did I say anything about love at all? Showing compassion might just mean making their execution a painless one, or refusing to torture them, it doesn't mean patting them on the back and sending them on their way. Do you imagine any murderer or sociopath has ever come to repent their crimes without some level of compassion? Treat them without compassion, torture them, beat them etc and all it'll provoke is hatred and regret at being caught. Punish them AND treat them with compassion and they might, and I know for an absolute fact in some cases they have, come to genuinely regret their crimes and attempt to atone.
Maniac! 04.26.11	Apparently you haven't noticed that nobody wants to hear it.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"Unfortunately everything I say seems to be taken horribly out of context." On the contrary. You rip things out of context with the excuse of other people doing the same thing to you and so "no one gets you". Oh, we can also teach each other some martial arts and ask Odin if we can make some kind of training center. Training drunk is fun as hell.
Vesper 04.26.11	That's all well and good, dear, but the problem is that people here have serious intellectual issues with Christianity, so you can't expect people who don't know you to be like, "Oh, that's wonderful! Tell me more about how this belief I don't agree with or consider intellectually valid informs your life!"
Xenophanes 04.26.11	Kimm, by now you know what things get people riled up here, you aren't that stupid, so I'm convinced you start these threads to stir shit up. That's fine I guess.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	I don't expect people to take an interest in it, but when I say, "Hey guys, this is my favorite Easter song and some albums with songs pertaining to the holiday" I don't see the need for people to start talking about how the Resurrection didn't happen. If you don't agree with the message in my Easter list, why not just read it or ignore it and then move on?
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	Xenophanes - Do you understand that sometimes I will make a list that doesn't mention faith at all or even have "Christian" music in it and people will start a religious debate anyways? lol I can't win.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	In your defense I have actually noticed that.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Why don't you just ignore all those "offending" comments and move on? And don't say you can't, that'd just be laziness. And wtf, since when is this about "winning"? Also, mind you - you might wanna think about WHY people start religious debates even though you didn't start it in the first place. What people do and how people present themselves always has an influence on how people react to everything they do.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	"I mean being optimistic is a nice thing. But there's a thin line between optimism and crazy naivity." I was brought up in a culture of extreme violence, so I became extremely violent and spent time in young offenders institutes. It was only through education and compassion that I sorted my life out and had any chance of helping other people. Combined with all the people I know, including members of my immediate family who have been horribly beaten, raped and murdered over the years, I think I'm a bit past optimism, let alone crazy naivety.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	I usually do, I delete them if they're really bad, don't usually report them although I have on occasion. But in my case ignoring it doesn't make any difference because I have a number of times created a list and then logged in a few hours later to discover it's been deleted. Pretty frustrating.
Gmork89 04.26.11	"Oh, we can also teach each other some martial arts and ask Odin if we can make some kind of training center. Training drunk is fun as hell." Ya, we can train and have mock battle against William Wallace and his armies. And then feast together.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Well, I had another impresson of the form of "compassion" you were talking about. Maybe it's also a bit of cultural difference here, where I live "compassion" is similar to being nice and treating someone like you'd like him. Not just some things that are rather minor like not torturing someone. But even then you're oversimplfiying with that compassion-thing (maybe because of your own experience). Not saying it doesn't work but often enough it's the other way 'round.
Knott- 04.26.11	"Some is history, some is poetry, some is civil/judicial laws that were appropriate for a certain group of people at a certain point in history and we have to take each piece for what it is. " How do you know which is which?
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"Ya, we can train and have mock battle against William Wallace and his armies. And then feast together." Hell yeah. And we should do some shit with Thor, heard he's a funny guy.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Fair enough. Personally, I don't live in the way I've talked about, which is why I said 'in theory' at the start. When someone mouths off at my gf I don't treat them with any compassion, I hammer their cunt face in until someone drags me off, then laugh about it with my mates over a few beers. The point is that compassion can't make anyone an asshole.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	"How do you know which is which?" Historical context in which it was written.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	the problem with religious debates is, people can't read something and think "well I don't believe that, but it's okay if you do." Instead, it's more like "That's wrong, and I'm gonna let them know."
Lakes 04.26.11	lulz
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"But even then you're oversimplfiying with that compassion-thing (maybe because of your own experience)." Actually, I quite think he's doing the opposite.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"the problem with religious debates is, people can't read something and think 'well I don't believe that, but it's okay if you do.'" That's because there are those of us who believe that the Bible and what it preaches is detrimental to humanity.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"Historical context in which it was written." Funny, because some Christians still like to deny that the beginnings of Christianity (the radical wandersects like the one of Jesus) were largely influenced by symbol-politic conflicts and the socal things like the "pax romana". @forever: As far as I got in his opinion compassion always makes sense or can't be bad. While that might be true in most cases it can also go into the opposite direction (if someone e.g. think's you're playing with him) or have no effect at all.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	I never said anything about Christianity.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	You said that treating Hitler with compassion would make that person an asshole. Treating someone without any compassion would mean what? Saying nasty words to them? No, it would involve hurting them, degrading them and humiliating them. I'm saying when you do this, you effectively become a monster, which is a tragedy. Treating them with SOME compassion would yield better results for everyone, even those that transpose their morality from Disney movies.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	You know, if parents would stop teaching their children one specific belief as the only truth, and instead taught them what all religions say and let them decide for themselves what to believe, the world would quickly become a nicer, better place; not a perfect place, of coarse, but better.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	No Pit, you're taking what I said out of context. I wasn't looking for a discussion about the resurrection in my list, I just wanted to share my favorite Easter song. If you don't believe in it you don't have to but like everyone always says to me, THIS IS A MUSIC SITE so I just wanted to share my favorite Easter song(s) on Easter. That's all. :)
Motiv3 04.26.11	sometimes i wonder whether this site should be turned into a religious debating site.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	@foreverendeared that's a decision I've been thinking of. Like, what the fuck do you teach your kids? I don't go to church, but I want my kids to experience it and see if they enjoy it. I don't want them to be any one thing, just whatever they believe. herein lies the problem though: If someone believes something to be 110% true, then why wouldn't they teach their children that it's right? I don't mean someone thinks or logically concludes that it could be true, but completely believes with all their heart that it IS true. which is why terrible shit tends to get passed through generations, for example racism
DurzoBlint 04.26.11	Thats reserved for gamespot motiv3 (if you go there you understand what I mean)
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"You said that treating Hitler with compassion would make that person an asshole." I never said treating Hitler with compassion makes anyone an asshole. Never said it or implied it. I said thinking that Hitler DESERVES compassion makes you an asshole. And I believe that with all of my being, and I'm sure the victims of Hitler's regime would agree. How can anyone say he DESERVES compassion? If you want to show someone like him compassion, go for it, but saying he deserves it is lunacy.
dnor 04.26.11	This thread was a lot better when Eric was methodically picking apart each and every one of Kimm's beliefs in a meticulous manner.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	@Durzo I've never seen a religious debate on gamespot
CelestialDust 04.26.11	woah, mx should offer you some of his share in response to the hits your lists consistently get. you likely attract the bulk of the people who would click on those american apparel ads
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"You said that treating Hitler with compassion would make that person an asshole. Treating someone without any compassion would mean what? Saying nasty words to them? No, it would involve hurting them, degrading them and humiliating them. I'm saying when you do this, you effectively become a monster, which is a tragedy. Treating them with SOME compassion would yield better results for everyone, even those that transpose their morality from Disney movies." Nope. My point was treating someone who's already a giant pain in the ass with compassion he will still be a giant pain in the ass afterwards. Also it may also depend from who the compassion comes and which amount. That stuff is all nice in theory but if there's one person you honestly don't care about who shows compassion to you that will most likely not change your behavior. Also treating someone without compassion doesn't equal treating them with hatred. It'd be more something like casualness.
Knott- 04.26.11	"Historical context in which it was written." So why do some people believe that Leviticus 20:13 is a law that should be followed and some, like yourself, believe it not to be an instruction worth following any more?
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"Also treating someone without compassion doesn't equal treating them with hatred. It'd be more something like casualness." Probably more like unsympathetic ignorance of their emotions.
Knott- 04.26.11	(It should be noted I am not asking the difference between Christians who accept homosexuality entirely and those who accept it but 'hate the sin, not the sinner. I'm asking you why there is no consensus on whether that verse - an unequivocal instruction - is a law worth following any more.)
foreverendeared 04.26.11	Knott, I can't stand it when people say the New Testament made those silly laws obsolete, because Jesus himself praised those who still obeyed the Mosaic Laws.
Knott- 04.26.11	I'd really like an answer from Kimm to that question, endeared, because I believe it is the penultimate step of the most solid counter-argument to the infallible nature of the Bible that exists.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	Now I'm interested to see how this plays out. Most likely she will just ignore the post and not reply to it. She often ignores logical arguments against the Bible.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"Probably more like unsympathetic ignorance of their emotions." Depends, in our example it'd be definitely more the latter. But generally I rather tend just not to care rather than burst into hatred or anger. And I seriously think "sins" are one of the worst imaginary human inventions ever. (despite the fact that they're more a "weapon" to control people - or even more important: their money/power)
foreverendeared 04.26.11	@tkxxx7 You bring up good points. I think that's why we need to push towards having parents let their children decide for themselves. If society makes a push in that direction, even the most staunch religious parents will likely eventually give in and do the right thing there.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	Yeah, I just though that sounded closer to what a lack of compassion is than "casualness." "Unsympathetic ignorance of emotions" had a nice sound to it haha
andcas 04.26.11	"I wasn't looking for a discussion about the resurrection in my list, I just wanted to share my favorite Easter song. If you don't believe in it you don't have to but like everyone always says to me, THIS IS A MUSIC SITE so I just wanted to share my favorite Easter song(s) on Easter. That's all." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNW8sW31oZc&NR=1
Sanders 04.26.11	^ hahaha
foreverendeared 04.26.11	God that show is great.
Winsomniac 04.26.11	Lol these lists.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	@Knott- Christians that believe there is nothing wrong with living a homosexual lifestyle clearly are not well versed scripturally because the Bible is very clear on that law not only in the Old Testament but in the New Testament as well. The reason that some "Christians" disagree with this is because the church has become so corrupted and allowed so many conformities within its walls that there is no longer unity between many of the different groups that claim to be of similar foundational beliefs. That's all I'm really going to say on the matter unless you want to take it somewhere else (FB would be ideal but I understand if that's weird, so my shoutbox is an alternative as well).
Satellite 04.26.11	yeah because being gay is totally a choice...
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	I didn't say it was a choice to be gay, but it is a choice to act on those impulses.
Tyrael 04.26.11	Act on my impulses or live a lie, hmm...
Maniac! 04.26.11	Kimm: Tits or Ass?
foreverendeared 04.26.11	So you're saying God creates babies gay, but then tells them they can't be gay or they will spend an eternity in torment and torture? Sounds like a God I want to worship! How just he is!
Maniac! 04.26.11	So you're saying God creates babies gay, but then tells them they can't be gay or they will spend an eternity in torment and torture? Sounds like a God I want to worship! How just he is! [2] Act on my impulses or live a lie, hmm...[2]
Satellite 04.26.11	gay people out there just need to either a) flip the switch and become straight or b) live a sexless, empty life devoid of love or human contact.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Restrictions about sexuality are more than ridiculous. Especially when acting intuitive is human.
Satellite 04.26.11	god really cares what hole people are sticking it in apparently. what a creep.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	"I never said treating Hitler with compassion makes anyone an asshole. Never said it or implied it. I said thinking that Hitler DESERVES compassion makes you an asshole. And I believe that with all of my being, and I'm sure the victims of Hitler's regime would agree. How can anyone say he DESERVES compassion? If you want to show someone like him compassion, go for it, but saying he deserves it is lunacy." Thinking that compassion can make you an asshole in any instance makes me seriously wonder what kind of deranged internal motivations you have going on. You insinuate that compassion is some kind of approval, or agreement with the person you give it to. Like I made clear, compassion does not mean patting baddies on the back and sending them on their way. I'm not saying love them, treat them nicely and have a good chat. Rapists, child-abusers, murderers and insane dictators all deserve punishment, in some cases death. But treating them with compassion actively raises the person inflicting the punishment to a moral level beyond that of the criminal, and in many cases will be the catalyst for genuine repentance. I don't know any of Hitler's victims, but I know women that have been gang-raped, men who have been seriously disfigured through acts of unprovoked violence, and families, including my own, who have lost people to murder. I've seen how powerful compassion can be, for the compassionate themselves, not those receiving it. You have the gall to imagine what victims of Nazi oppression and abuse would want and feel, and you talk as if they would all want and feel the same things in the same way. You're sure of it, apparently. Well, considering how many millions of lives Hitler fucked up, I'm guessing one or two would have wanted him treated with compassion as he was being punished. Even if it was just one boy, girl, man or woman, some idiot who was naturally compassionate to the bone, you think they're automatically an asshole and a lunatic? You're the most arrogant person I've ever had the misfortune to speak to.
andcas 04.26.11	"I do take the Bible literally, and by that I mean I read it as I would any other literature. Some is history, some is poetry, some is civil/judicial laws that were appropriate for a certain group of people at a certain point in history and we have to take each piece for what it is." i'm sorry but some of the stories in the bible are so impossible and laughable that it's fucking beyond insulting to rational thought. To actually believe in some of these fairy tales and take them seriously for one second says a great deal about your intelligence and gullibility. "Also I believe that dinosaurs were created with the other animals. I don't know why any Christian would say they didn't exist." so why are they extinct and all the other animals that lived with them aren't? if they lived with other animals then they lived with humans, therefore they would have been brought on the ark when that crap happened. what did god say, "noah, save 2 of every animal but fuck the dinosaurs." i've held it in for months and never officially snapped on you but you've literally been on my last nerve. seriously shut up. no one cares. no one ever has. we all know what you're doing. you'll find any excuse to whine and talk about your stupid beliefs because you want attention and people to fight. stop making religious lists and cut the bullshit.
Satellite 04.26.11	kimm, there are 400,000 species of beetles in the world. they ALONE would not have fit on noah's ark. if you truly interpret that story literally there's something legitimately wrong with you.
andcas 04.26.11	"Christians that believe there is nothing wrong with living a homosexual lifestyle clearly are not well versed scripturally because the Bible is very clear on that law not only in the Old Testament but in the New Testament as well." "I didn't say it was a choice to be gay, but it is a choice to act on those impulses." wow, go fuck yourself you ignorant homophobic bigot.
Satellite 04.26.11	it also says men can't shave their beards and that disobedient children need to be stoned to death and some hilarious things about what to do with adulterers, but i guess dudes banging dudes takes precedence.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	a boat full of fucking beetles is what this thread has become .
Satellite 04.26.11	hahaha
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Even the dogmatic greeks were more tolerant. And they were some strange dickheads.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	Phlebas again, you're not quite getting what I'm saying. Having compassion on these types of people you listed isn't wrong, I'm not saying it's wrong, or makes you an asshole. I'm in complete agreement with everything you said except the arrogant part because I quite see myself as being worthless. I'm saying these monsters don't DESERVE it. Emphasis on deserve.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	I wonder if all you rampaging heroes of atheism would be quite as brave amongst the gangs in my town, who subscribe to a different religion, but one that still digs Jesus quite a bit
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	Oh my gosh you guys this is exactly what I did not want to get into. You have no understanding of where I'm coming from and that's really just the way it's always going to be unless you have a change of heart. Serial killers and whatnot have a higher level of testosterone and are therefore more prone to anger and violence, does that make it okay? No. The fact is we see the world in different ways. I believe in accountability to God, many if not most of you believe in...living for self? I don't know. I'm done with this thread, if you actually care about open respectful discussion and coming to an understanding of sorts you can talk to me somewhere else..
Satellite 04.26.11	"I wonder if all you rampaging heroes of atheism would be quite as brave amongst the gangs in my town, who subscribe to a different religion, but one that still digs Jesus quite a bit" lolwut
tkxxx7 04.26.11	I'm no rampaging hero of atheism
Kris. 04.26.11	kimm youre just angry that we dont believe in what you believe in yay you are a god worshipper thats cool we get it fuck off and let us revel in our atheism
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"I wonder if all you rampaging heroes of atheism would be quite as brave amongst the gangs in my town, who subscribe to a different religion, but one that still digs Jesus quite a bit" Yeah, pretty much. A good friend of mine almost got stoned to death because he's gay. Another one got beaten down by 10 people with knuckles and baseball bats. One of the reasons why I started martial arts and own a longsword now.
Winsomniac 04.26.11	I WENT TO CHURCH EVERY FUCKING SUNDAY!
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	I'm just saying it's harder to quote Bible verse when someone's dragging a stanley knife down your face. And you all seem so determined to prove the Bible wrong.
KimmsightMatters 04.26.11	Resorting to violence is not a Christian concept... Corrupted people do not disprove God's existence, they prove our need of a Savior.
SloppyMilkshake 04.26.11	People arguing about religion? Sputnik seems to have a high population of 12 year-olds that stumbled across Frederich Nietzsche for the first time.
Kris. 04.26.11	"Resorting to violence is not a Christian concept..." allow me to quote SEVERAL bible verses where murder is used as a mean of punishing someone
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	And I'm just saying calling everyone that maybe has some logical reasons to be skeptical about religion is not "rampaging hero" or a "rebellious kid". Also who said that all here arguing against Christianity are athests? Maybe some are buddhists. Maybe some are asatrú.(yes, thats actually a legitimate religion, even accepted by the governments in Scandinavia and some other states) "Resorting to violence is not a Christian concept..." Bullshit. Stop projecting yourself on a whole religion.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"You have no understanding of where I'm coming from and that's really just the way it's always going to be unless you have a change of heart." That's why questions are being put to you, to understand where the hell you're coming from.
andcas 04.26.11	"I'm done with this thread" refrain from making others full of your bullshit while your at it. "if you actually care about open respectful discussion and coming to an understanding of sorts you can talk to me somewhere else." there will never be an understanding and yes, go talk about your babble somewhere else that isn't sputnik.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	I've seen people get fucked up over their beliefs too . I don't see what point that really makes . but , whatever , serious discussion is probably over , so let's talk about subway or something
Satellite 04.26.11	i won't speak for everyone else, but i was merely trying to have a marginally intelligent conversation. maybe i was being a dick about it, but oh well.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"And you all seem so determined to prove the Bible wrong." Because I believe it's a corruption of human intelligence.
Satellite 04.26.11	"That's why questions are being put to you, to understand where the hell you're coming from." questions that are promptly ignored
climactic 04.26.11	everyone stop talking organized religion is ridiculous okay we get it
Satellite 04.26.11	christians do a fine enough job proving the bible wrong
Spec 04.26.11	Not all of them.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	I have logical reasons for being an atheist, so unless you think I was including myself in that statement, I'm not sure what you mean. I assume most of the people hounding the single Christian girl in this internet thread are atheists, precisely because logic is so often referred to. Is Buddhism particularly indebted to logic? I'm not sure.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	@climactic I mean, you don't have to post if you don't like talking about it. For the rest of us that enjoy debating and learning from other people, we're going to keep the conversation going, sorry.
Tyrael 04.26.11	'People arguing about religion? Sputnik seems to have a high population of 12 year-olds that stumbled across Frederich Nietzsche for the first time.' Welcome to Sputnik Andrew.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	climactic's posts are so anti-climactic
foreverendeared 04.26.11	Phlebas, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"Buddhism particularly indebted to logic?" Depends on the intepretation, just like any other religion. There are also shitloads of people taking innovation from many religions and fuse them together for their ideology. And I see nothing wrong with that. It's just that many people seem to be too lazy or too intolerant therefore.
tkxxx7 04.26.11	the idea of religion alone is kinda scary . I say believe what you believe all you want , but don't actively try to change others OR go around spouting it and then expect not to get shit over it
Knott- 04.26.11	I didn't ask about your opinion on the issue of homosexuality being a sin. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in whether you yourself believe that Leviticus 20:13 is an order that should be followed or ignored. It clearly demands that homosexuals be put to death. I'm asking to what you attribute the schism of opinion on adhering to this rule - the killing of acting homosexuals.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"the idea of religion alone is kinda scary . I say believe what you believe all you want , but don't actively try to change others OR go around spouting it and then expect not to get shit over it" That's not the universal idea of "religion", many nature religions without any transcripts telling you how to do something are pretty metaphoric and say no word about trying to convert other people. The ancient romans e.g. were pretty tolerant and placed a statue for almost every new god in their pantheon.
fr33convict 04.26.11	"The ancient romans e.g. were pretty tolerant and placed a statue for almost every new god in their pantheon." Umm how ancient are you talking? because I specifically remember what the Romans used the coliseum for.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	The point I'm trying to make Endeared is that people are acting like aggressive dickheads to a girl on the internet because she believes in God, Jesus and the Bible. I think it's a perfectly legitimate question as to whether they would take their grievances to people who think Jesus is a prophet of a creator God, but who would be more likely to smash your face in for saying it was all a bit silly and illogical. Any English people who want town/street names can let me know.
Spec 04.26.11	I meant to turn the timer off on my oven, but accidentally turned the oven off. FML
tkxxx7 04.26.11	That wasn't what I meant at all Wolf . The following statements weren't to describe what I meant It's just the idea of an organized religion
foreverendeared 04.26.11	The answer to that is: I don't actively seek out anyone to argue against religion with, but if I came across a gang of people trying to kill me, I would fucking run regardless of what their motives are.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Down with organisation, the causer of all nasty religious things
coneren 04.26.11	Chopped
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"The point I'm trying to make Endeared is that people are acting like aggressive dickheads to a girl on the internet because she believes in God, Jesus and the Bible" There is a huge difference between arguments with a more "harsh" touch than being physically aggressive. Also, when people just ignore certain facts and keep on repeating the same stuff it just gets dumb at some time and it's understandable when people get annoyed. It's easy to say "you don't get it" it's "either or" or just coming back to the point that EEEEEEEEEEEEEEVERYTHING is a point of view. But repeating that over and over again is just counterproductive for any kind of discussion. Also, discussions should not be taken TOO serious, especially not personal. Many people make the mistake of taking every argument as personal offense, regardless of facts. E.g. I continuely disagree with people in my religion course and we debate like 2 hours. And still I have no personal problems with any of them, and most of them know that.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Arguments with a 'harsh' touch are one thing, when it's a dozen people against one, it's pretty gay, whatever the environment.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Sorry, but there is no such thing as "fairness".
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Also trying to get people to feel guilty over the internet...
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	No, carry on being an aggressive douche, along with all the other brave guys sitting in their comfortable bedrooms, on expensive computers bought by their Christian parents. Fight the power and all that. edit: lmao, guilty... calling people cowards is hardly an attempt to prick their conscience.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Talking to the group, sweetheart. The brave troups fighting the Bible, one verse at a time.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"No, carry on being an aggressive douche" Lol, I'm not aggressive but you seem butthurt. "along with all the other brave guys sitting in their comfortable bedrooms" What's wrong with comfortable bedrooms? "on expensive computers bought by their Christian parents" First of all, my parent's aren't Christian. Second, I bought my computer and my soundsystem by myself. "Fight the power and all that." Yep, start with the random rants because you're butthurt because we don't share the same moral ideology. Seriously, go on. Make yourself look like a hilarious douche.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	I wonder when people will stop wondering how "unethical" people are.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	If you're in a group of pasty, greasy-palmed chumps hounding one girl for all the crimes of a two thousand year old religion, you're a pussy, regardless of where you are
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Lol, stop acting like a 12 year old bitch.
Acanthus 04.26.11	List is still going? Carry on sirs, carry on.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Between the heroism of Detriment and the genius of Wolfhorde I'm not sure where to turn
Sanders 04.26.11	I'm a dyslexic agnostic... I'd love to believe, but I'm just not sure there's a dog.
Acanthus 04.26.11	Well the good internet discussions never really end, they just have pondering breaks and then are revived somewhere else.
lucasjcockcroft 04.26.11	hahah i love the fighting that goes on here
Maniac! 04.26.11	"I'm a dyslexic agnostic... I'd love to believe, but I'm just not sure there's a dog." lmfao
Vesper 04.26.11	@Phlebas The point is that, just like smart people don't go around parading their alternative views in an environment hostile to them, Kimm just needs to shut up and leave, especially if she's not willing to engage in intellectual conversation about her beliefs. And just because you are one of many Christians does not mean you are not accountable for what you believe in - if you engage in Christianity, you are responsible for everything that entails. I don't think you want to excuse anyone's ignorance, no matter what their beliefs.
CelestialDust 04.26.11	kim: hey guys, we should be more respectful! kim later: you know, being gay is wrong blah blah christians who say otherwise are retarded and you wonder why you aren't respected around here?
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist, Vesper. Can you point me to the paragraph of the sputnik rulebook that mentions intellectual discussion? Who the fuck are you to say that people can't discuss things that affect their own life, on a community website, especially when it's something to do with music?
Acanthus 04.26.11	I'm agreeing with ConsiderPhlebas here, though I can see where the sputmasses are riled up over Kimm.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Because they're frightened of and hate vaginas
Maniac! 04.26.11	Phleb's in an uproar today. I wanna stay on his good side.
theacademy 04.26.11	i only interact with kimm when i post something about throwing my hands in the air and screaming ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyo
Acanthus 04.26.11	@ConsiderPhlebas - Haha while I wouldn't go quite that far personally, I do see your point there.
theacademy 04.26.11	i kinda like that song
Obfuscation24 04.26.11	can someone sum up this thread for me I dont feel like reading through. (I'm sure it's the same shit as usual in a kimm thread though)
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"I wanna stay on his good side." You're cheating on me? You bitch!
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Guys, including Maniac!, blaming Kimm for Christianity and calling her homophobic
foreverendeared 04.26.11	-people bashing kimm -kimm saying being gay is wrong -people trying to have a decent conversation -people telling everyone to shut up -no one shutting up the end.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Maniac! likes to be called Branno.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Guys, including Branno, blaming Kimm for Christianity and calling her homophobic
foreverendeared 04.26.11	lol
Asiatic667 04.26.11	hey everyone, lets cut the shit and say what every person with half a brain knows: A long time ago, when people didn't know anything, they invented religion. For a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time, Religion fucked up, and has caused a lot of the worlds problems (whatever its many limp-wristed rationalists insist to the contrary). Now, anyone with half a brain realizes this, and those who don't (KimmSightMatters?) keep clinging to thier bibles, Qurans, spellbooks etc.) and praying that Mr.JeeJee/Muhammed/Mighty thor will come and clean up after us.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	Thank you.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	I feel like I've read this thread a million times before. It's the same meaningless argument with the same fucking users.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	You tell 'em, Asiatic667. You tell 'em good.
Sanders 04.26.11	ASIATIC DON'T YOU DARE SULLY THE GREAT NAME OF THOR.
Kris. 04.26.11	when thor does come its gonna be awesome tho
Asiatic667 04.26.11	GREAT ODINS RAVEN!
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"same fucking users." Nah, not at all. They vary slightly.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	We need more original threads. Someone rank Opeth quick.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	I'M ON IT!
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	And Rush. In the same list. That would be so non-conformist and alternative.
Acanthus 04.26.11	Or tell us what they just bought, we haven't had one of those in foreverrrrrrrrrrr rolls eyes
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"It's the same meaningless argument with the same fucking users." These types of arguments aren't meaningless! Open-ended conversations are crucial to the advancement of societies.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	What's a guy gotta do to get a 'new vinyls' list?
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"These types of arguments aren't meaningless! Open-ended conversations are crucial to the advancement of social networks on the internet consisting of bored geeks." Fixed.
Asiatic667 04.26.11	"It's the same meaningless argument with the same fucking users." By that logic, every "BRAND NEW JUST KEEPS BLOWIN' ME AWAY!" and "KANT GET ENUFF CONVERGE, HYUK!" list also fits the bill.
Acanthus 04.26.11	"What's a guy gotta do to get a 'new vinyls' list?" Show off his ultra-rare finds, first pressings, etc.
Xenophanes 04.26.11	By that logic, every "BRAND NEW JUST KEEPS BLOWIN' ME AWAY!" and "KANT GET ENUFF CONVERGE, HYUK!" list also fits the bill. No shit
Maniac! 04.26.11	"Guys, including Branno, blaming Kimm for Christianity and calling her homophobic" :( come on, man
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	And don't forget starting redundant discussion which include how a (utterly senseless and horrible) musical genre will emerge next.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"Gays, including Branno, blaming Kimm for Christianity and calling her homophobic" Sorry, but it just fits so well.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	If you call attention to the uproar you get a mention
Asiatic667 04.26.11	and undoubtedly this list will be deleted soon, while whole threads about takeout and cooking (which DON'T link directly to music, as religion does) will be free to gather 60+ comments.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	^ This has over 400 comments and I doubt this will be deleted. We just discussed music lists like 20 minutes ago.
andcas 04.26.11	@ConsiderPhlebas, I've kept quiet for a while about kimm's nonsense. I come here to discuss music and not deal with this religious rhetoric. kimm needs to invest in a live journal and stop treating sputnik as her church. In real life I don't go around spewing my distaste for christianity unless it's forcefully inflicted on me against my will (example: crazy preachers who yell and damn passersby's in public places) What I do not appreciate about her is she is completely antagonistic and disrespectful to any opinion but her own and it's clear she knows what will happen in her lists and is pushing troll boundaries. By the way kimm, god created everyone in his image so if people can be born gay I guess that means god has a bit in him.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	You do realize she'll most likely never read that?
andcas 04.26.11	at this point I could care less wolf lol.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"God sucks yo" ^ Judging from your name and rating Periphery a 5 you have absoultely no credibility. Especially not to participate in such a special discussion.
DurzoBlint 04.26.11	This is now the biggest amount of posts in a list thread?
flalafell 04.26.11	religion motherfuckers
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"This is now the biggest amount of posts in a list thread?" No. There are lists with over 1000.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Sputnik isn't your website, it's a community. Some of Kimm's lists mention her faith, but most don't. How is talking about her favourite Easter song treating the site like a church? Was Chan's blog about carols treating it as a church? The fact is that you don't have to click on her lists. No one does. And the slack-jawed atheists are just as prone to starting poorly considered, poorly lettered religious arguments as anyone who is Christian. More so, in some cases. And she's antagonistic? We're talking about Sputnik, right? Are you fucking serious?
DurzoBlint 04.26.11	interesting.... I wonder who would bother to read 1000 posts.
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"all them are lists where peple come to see my dick, yo" I hope you realize you're a really lame troll.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	That'd be one very small post
Vesper 04.26.11	@Phlebas I wasn't saying "you" were a Christian. I probably should have used "one" or "Kimm specifically". I was just saying that your point that people are ganging up on the one Christian girl on this site is unfair in any way doesn't mean anything, because I do think everyone should be accountable for what they believe, including Kimm as a Christian. And Kimm should know better than post this stuff on a highly atheist site by now, as tons of people have reiterated. Just like your example of these pussy atheists not spouting off in, say, highly Christian towns. She doesn't seem to get that it works the same way.
andcas 04.26.11	you make intelligent arguments phlebas but I still fail to see why you're rushing to her defense as if she's a helpless victim in all this mess.
Slum 04.26.11	I wish good lists would get this kind of attention, it's ridiculous
Wolfhorde 04.26.11	"just like your example of these pussy atheists not spouting off in, say, highly Christian towns" Not true. I live a town where the fucking residence of the bavarian king was (and still is). Sidenote: Bavaria is the most conservative and Christian part of Germany. (which is not at all as tolerant as it tries to be) Oh, and they have good beer.
dnor 04.26.11	450+ posts. Yep, this is Kimm's finest list yet.
andcas 04.26.11	don't worry dnor, i'm sure there will be tons more to come.
Sanders 04.26.11	I saw a sign outside a church which read: "C H - R C H... There's only one thing missing." I'm not sure "CHPROOFRCH" is even a word.
andcas 04.26.11	can't be anymore cringe worthy than: you think it's hot in the summer, just wait: god sent you a faithbook request, will you accept?
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	...
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	"And Kimm should know better than post this stuff on a highly atheist site by now, as tons of people have reiterated. Just like your example of these pussy atheists not spouting off in, say, highly Christian towns. She doesn't seem to get that it works the same way." Yeah, people keep saying what Kimm should do. What I struggle with is the fact that people choose to engage in discussion with Kimm, and complain about the results. When was the last time a Kimm list bothered BigHans, Inveigh, Mallen or Redsky? They don't click on the lists, so they don't know or give a damn. Other people click on them, knowing they will disagree, and refuse to take resonsibility for it, making out that Kimm has inflicted something upon them. If she were trolling, every list would be 'Our Lord Jesus' or 'God Hates Abortions.' She mentions her favourite Easter song and she has to leave? Because the site is highly atheist, no one can talk about their faith? The site is also highly racist, homophobic and generally close-minded. Should homosexuals keep quiet, too? And black people? If she offends you, ignore her. If you hate her views, take the piss. Calling for her absence is reactionary, and doing it in the manner that some have resorted to in this thread is cowardly in the extreme. You mistake me about the religious gangs in my town. They belong to radical Islam, not Christianity - they just happen to think Jesus is a prophet. Christianity is a ghost in England.
Sanders 04.26.11	"Christianity is a ghost in England." I wouldn't say that, but it's a shadow of its former self, yes.
andcas 04.26.11	she seems "homophobic and generally close-minded" but I digress.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"can't be any cringe worth than: you think it's hot in the summer, just wait: god sent you a faithbook request, will you accept?" Nope, two that I've seen: "This weekend should be spent on your knees" "Keep praying until something happens" (what kind of advice is this! haha)
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Making all the nasty people go away is certainly an option, andcas. You could put them in some kind of camp.
Sanders 04.26.11	"This weekend should be spent on your knees" should be ammended to: "This weekend should be spent on your knees, or in the kitchen".
andcas 04.26.11	@foreverendeared, how about "do you prefer smoking or non smoking"
foreverendeared 04.26.11	haha wow, that is corny
Apollo 04.26.11	holy frig, over 400+ comments :O
Gmork89 04.26.11	Me and Apollo are here to regulate, ships for Valhalla are departing in 5 minutes.
Sanders 04.26.11	SHOTGUN
kingjulian 04.26.11	People are still talking over here?
Psilocyanide 04.26.11	"If she were trolling, every list would be 'Our Lord Jesus' or 'God Hates Abortions.'" Or maybe it's a really good troll.
Josh D. 04.26.11	"Also I'm truly not an ignorant person," You think the Earth is 6,000 years old. So news flash: you are.
DoubtGin 04.26.11	wow andcas
Aids 04.26.11	new rule: anyone who gets into a serious philosophical discussion on one of Kimm's lists receives an automatic one-week ban from the site
foreverendeared 04.26.11	awwww
Sanders 04.26.11	What if we get into a half-assed philosophical discussion on them?
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Yeah Kimm is the Machiavelli of Sputnik trolls. She should defo leave.
Knott- 04.26.11	"I saw a sign outside a church which read: "C H - R C H... There's only one thing missing." I'm not sure "CHPROOFRCH" is even a word." This made me laugh.
North0House2 04.26.11	Kimm always has the most commented upon lists.
Josh D. 04.26.11	"This made me laugh." Me too.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Atheists rubbing themselves off to atheist jokes. Must be tuesday.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	Wow Phlebas, you're just so much better than us.
Sanders 04.26.11	HO HO HO! And I rub myself off to most jokes, I don't like to limit myself to any one genre of chuckle-creation.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	It's ok, Endeared, I know who you meant. Does criticising someone make you better? I thought it just meant you disagree. Guess you guys are better than Kimm, then. And andcas must be better than Shakespeare and T.S. Eliot, with their racism and homophobia etc. Kudos dudes.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Yeah I'm just bored, Pit, trying to avoid an essay I can't be fucked with.
Josh D. 04.26.11	I don't know why some people, in a sort of defense for Kim, say things like "Does criticising someone make you better? I thought it just meant you disagree. Guess you guys are better than Kimm, then", even in sarcasm. I don't think it is hard to discern that it isn't so much a matter of proving right or wrong sometimes. If we're calling her stupid or calling her out on something that is bothersome, that's all it is.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	That statement wasn't just critical, it was sneering.
Aids 04.26.11	"Atheists rubbing themselves off to atheist jokes. Must be tuesday." seriously laughed so hard at this, so true. I'm not exactly an atheist, more of an agnostic, but yeah, a lot of atheists overdo god jokes.
Maniac! 04.26.11	this thread make my head hurt.
Josh D. 04.26.11	The difference between "atheists making atheist jokes" and whatever the antithesis might be is the purpose of irony.
Masochist 04.26.11	At this point, I think Kimm gets crap because she's Kimm. There are plenty of Christians on here who have posted Christianity-themed lists, and plenty of debates that have carried on that have been civil, with each side getting their say (until some useless troll wrecks it), but it's almost as though people grab the torch oil whenever they even see Kimm's name somewhere. And the comments aren't meant to express opinion as much as it is to bring about a specific response from her. It's ridiculous...and kind of pathetic. tl;dr: Sputnik just seems to attack Christianity SPECIFICALLY to attack Kimm, which just kinda seems childish (and offensive to the many other Christians on this site).
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	maybe it's because Kimm presents an incredibly ignorant/dumb side of Christianity that other users don't represent so amazingly well, Maso?
Josh D. 04.26.11	"but it's almost as though people grab the torch oil whenever they even see Kimm's name somewhere" The other people you mention don't do it ALL THE TIME. The fact that her and these lists have become synonymous is the problem.
Maniac! 04.26.11	I just like to say things that make Kimm uncomfortable. Is that so wrong?
Josh D. 04.26.11	"maybe it's because Kimm presents an incredibly ignorant/dumb side of Christianity that other users don't represent so amazingly well" That too.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	That statement was empty provocation, without any emotional basis. You guys and your delicate sensibilities...jesus. And Josh, I'm talking about people who are stating that Kimm 'must' or 'should' leave the site, simply because they don't like what they see when they click on her lists. Not sure how that fits in with calling her out on something that is bothersome.
Josh D. 04.26.11	I wasn't meaning to implicate you specifically, just using that statement you made as an example.
Maniac! 04.26.11	You missed my last comment, pit.
Aids 04.26.11	Kimm definitely gets way too much shit. She isn't a bad person like people make her out to be, she was just raised by idiots and therefore has horrible horrible horrible opinions. Horrible.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Masochist talking complete sense, as per usual
Aids 04.26.11	"And the comments aren't meant to express opinion as much as it is to bring about a specific response from her. It's ridiculous...and kind of pathetic." ^This. people pick on Kimm just because they have nothing better to do, it kind of pisses me off.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	"Kimm definitely gets way too much shit. She isn't a bad person like people make her out to be, she was just raised by idiots and therefore has horrible horrible horrible opinions. Horrible." Agree 100%. I absolutely despise the 'pro-life' movement and everything it is responsible for, and everyone in it. But telling these people to go away won't change anyone's mind. It's better to provoke ideas than persecute.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"That statement was empty provocation, without any emotional basis." It implied arrogance is what I'm getting at.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	"It's better to provoke ideas than persecute" That's why I've been trying to spark debate without attacking.
Josh D. 04.26.11	"She isn't a bad person like people make her out to be" I never saw anyone type that she's a bad person, people are just sick of these fucking lists that constantly prompt long conversations that are completely off topic like the one we are having.
someguest 04.26.11	who gives a fuck about gays anyway, it's just another group of people I could give a fuck less about. I don't know why people feel this obligation to "stick up" for people starved for attention. I find it ironic you'll ridicule Kimm for craving attention when you defend gays doing the exact same shit.
Josh D. 04.26.11	Worst analogy ever.
SeaAnemone 04.26.11	you grabbed my hand and we fell into it... like a daydream. or a fever.
Maniac! 04.26.11	Who likes porn? I like porn
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	Maniac! likes picking on girls and some sort of porn. That's the highlights of this thread for me.
someguest 04.26.11	christian porn with a vargy ending is my favorite
Sanders 04.26.11	I like docking porn mixed with rusty trombones.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	Good to see my summary of this list hasn't changed: -people bashing kimm -kimm saying being gay is wrong -people trying to have a decent conversation -people telling everyone to shut up -no one shutting up
Trebor17 04.26.11	Respect gay rights and I'll respect you.
Maniac! 04.26.11	Actually Pit, midget porn is my specialty.
someguest 04.26.11	lol gay rights right under women's rights and the right to bear arms
Aids 04.26.11	Sea wins the thread for quoting Godspeed someguest/Defeater loses the thread for being an idiot, like usual
Maniac! 04.26.11	Pit, midget porn, whatdoyouthinkofthis
Trebor17 04.26.11	Fight for your right to party.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	someguest has failed at life in general. Time to move on.
foreverendeared 04.26.11	If people want to move on, sure. I just really enjoy having discussions about religion and morals and the existence of God and all that, about as much as I enjoy listening to music.
Josh D. 04.26.11	You guys seen Talking Funny on HBO? It's good.
Aids 04.26.11	but no Phlebas didn't you see his list? he's leaving us forever ...........
someguest 04.26.11	where's my threesome rights
Trebor17 04.26.11	Talking Funny was amazing.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	The place won't be the same without him
Sanders 04.26.11	I think that today it has been proven that the length of a thread is directly proportional to how fucking wank its banter becomes.
someguest 04.26.11	phlebas you're such a trailblazing intellectual truly original thought and point of view
acorncheese 04.26.11	i believe in a god.
Aids 04.26.11	let's all discuss our favourite methods of masturbation mine is "the stranger" who knows what I'm talkin about? nomsayin?
Aids 04.26.11	nice post someguest
Knott- 04.26.11	Kimm doesn't exist, it's just Jeremy trolling everyone for hits on 'her' lists.
Trebor17 04.26.11	Sit on your hand until it falls asleep. Wank. The Stranger.
someguest 04.26.11	adrian's a girl's name
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	I could be in a coma and still feel distaste for your idiocy, someguest. But thanks, anyway.
Aids 04.26.11	hitting me where it hurts man, hitting me where it hurts
someguest 04.26.11	your music taste is next cup yourself
acorncheese 04.26.11	"I could be in a coma and still feel distaste for your idiocy, someguest. But thanks, anyway." LOL
Aids 04.26.11	oh no, not my opinions! leave them alone! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LEAVE THEM ALONE
someguest 04.26.11	don't start twirling your mustache on me phlebas
ConsiderPhlebas 04.26.11	It's either that or my pubes
someguest 04.26.11	ah yes, the city without a skyscraper who could forget
andcas 04.27.11	"wow andcas" @doubtgin, wow what?
Aids 07.04.11	holy shit I disagree what I said about Kimm not being a bad person. I just read some of this thread that I guess I missed before (mainly her homophobic bullshit) and I totally take back what I say. Go fuck yourself you pathetic waste of life.
Josh D. 07.04.11	Welcome aboard.
KILL 07.04.11	dude aids calm down bro!
KimmsightMatters 07.04.11	Definitely an unnecessary bump/comment.
wyankeif1337 07.04.11	Why would you ever bump this list
wyankeif1337 07.04.11	And wtf Aids
North0House2 07.04.11	Well that was kind of uncalled for lol.
KILL 07.04.11	aids is in a metal mood hes just got too much beans
KimmsightMatters 07.04.11	Lol I just don't know what to say... maybe nothing would be my best bet.
wyankeif1337 07.04.11	I disagree with you, you're a terrible person
Josh D. 07.04.11	Party hard.
Dismantle 07.04.11	kimm is a pretty pathetic cunt whore
North0House2 07.04.11	Gotta love all this love.
KILL 07.04.11	aww shes pretty thats nice of you =]
KimmsightMatters 07.04.11	"Gotta love all this love." Yeah, it's a little overwhelming.
KimmsightMatters 07.04.11	Lol KILL I thought the same thing but didn't think it'd be wise to say it!
Josh D. 07.04.11	Look Kim, I'm tired of us fighting. If we ever met, I'd make very uncomfortable advances towards you complete with words like "duct tape" and "hard" and "collateral damage". Then, just when you are about to leave, I tell you I'm a one man kinda woman, and you give me one more shot. But we can't do anal. It hurts my bum too much.
KimmsightMatters 07.04.11	How original of you to post the same comment in two different threads in one night.
Josh D. 07.04.11	You didn't respond :/
KILL 07.04.11	josh ur a silly goose
KILL 07.04.11	GREAT LIST
Josh D. 07.04.11	Nice FB post, party hard.
KimmsightMatters 07.04.11	Because I didn't find it funny.
Josh D. 07.04.11	You aren't supposed to, dum dum.