glassg7
11.26.14 | I live in St. Louis too. How you feelin' about this shit? |
Greyvy
11.26.14 | Rioting and looting is just reinforcing stereotypes |
Torontonian
11.26.14 | "Rioting and looting is just reinforcing steriotypes"
That's the most retarded sentence I've ever seen , quite frankly |
PappyMason
11.26.14 | [2] |
MO
11.26.14 | watched the video of him robbing the store and intimidating the store owner. I mean if you know how trigger happy cops are in general, especially when you're 6'4 300 lbs, don't try shit with them. just surrender. it's a pretty shitty situation on all fronts but damn it could've been avoided on all sides |
Intothepit
11.26.14 | MO and Greyvy are right. Torontian is a fucking moron. |
BMDrummer
11.26.14 | yeah greyvy is right |
titanslayer
11.26.14 | I can't believe people are actually rioting over this shit. Can you imagine if shit like this went down every time a cop killed a "innocent" person?
I mean I kinda feel bad for the kid but shit like this happens every day and no one cares |
Gameofmetal
11.26.14 | The situation seems pretty fucked all around. |
OwMySnauze
11.26.14 | If you try to grab a police officer's gun, attacking him in his own patrol vehicle, not listening to commands from law enforcement...what do you expect? Sounds like this thug had a huge ego to push around a store clerk and then try and take on a cop. Actions have their consequences. |
Supercoolguy64
11.26.14 | #3 is definitely the best way to describe the entire situation. Even Wilson's mom thought the jury was fucked! |
Gameofmetal
11.26.14 | It's pretty much proven that the cop was in the right to my knowledge but people b crazy I guess. |
OwMySnauze
11.26.14 | Media had a huge part in distorting the facts. This was never about race. |
betray
11.26.14 | Let me preface this statement by saying that in my opinion, Brown and the cop were both wrong in their actions:
I find it morbidly comical that even Brown's supporters acknowledge the fact that he did attack the police officer (I mean, there is irrefutable evidence that he did).
I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I know this - Where I grew up and still live, attacking a police officer - armed or not - is nothing short of suicidal. |
DikkoZinner
11.26.14 | Hey there's Gein |
TheGreatQ
11.26.14 | "I find it morbidly comical that even Brown's supporters acknowledge the fact that he did attack the police officer (I mean,
there is irrefutable evidence that he did)."
Wait, you've seen Brown supporters that don't think the evidence is faked, misrepresented, or nonexistent? |
betray
11.26.14 | Oh, I've seen plenty of that too. Just speaking of the majority with the whole
"he attacked a police officer"
but his friend said he had his hands up after!
defense |
Friday13th
11.26.14 | It had nothing to do with race from the start. It's just another unfortunate case of escalating violence.
How can you blame a cop for trying to do his job? Poor kid should have given up immediately cause he was
guilty. Since when should guilty thieves be condoned for violently resisting arrest? The prosecution had no
case, unless they were out to radically change every standard cop procedure to be more "safe" for the
criminal. Lesson that should be learned: DON'T resist arrest, and if you are unfairly treated THEN you take
it to court and allege racist motivation or whatever. People don't understand the legal system. |
Friday13th
11.26.14 | There's this great youtube vid I saw in my criminal justice class on how to deal with police. Ya'll should check it out: http://youtu.be/s4nQ_mFJV4I |
betray
11.26.14 | "DON'T resist arrest, and if you are unfairly treated THEN you take it to court and allege racist motivation or whatever."
Exactly...
never resist arrest - under any circumstances.
Comply, then take them to court if you think it was racially motivated, didn't follow correct procedure, excessive use of force, etc.
Same with that case where the officer's broke the guys window to get him out of the car after he refused. |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | I know Brown was in the wrong, but did the cop have to shoot 12 times? That sounds like a murderous rage ratherthan self defense. |
ShadowRemains
11.27.14 | plus he showed absolutely no compassion/etc. in the interviews and such that have been released recently (wilson that is)
unless the person they killed was a psychopathic lunatic (which brown, troubled as he may have been, was certainly not), most people would show some sort of empathy/sympathy/remorse towards what happened
also i don't even know where to begin with the prosecutor |
betray
11.27.14 | Exactly why I'm in the camp of both participants being wrong.
However, Pit, officers are trained to shoot until the threat is stopped. If Wilson's account of what happened is true, Brown didn't stop after the initial volley of shots, prompting more.
But, with Brown being unarmed, Wilson should have exhausted all other means of non-lethal force (baton, mace, taser) before escalating to his weapon. |
Crymsonblaze
11.27.14 | if you attack a police officer, ESPECIALLY making a play for his gun, you pretty much deserve to get shot
people saying that this is an embarrassment of the justice system and whatnot are really overplaying the race card and underplaying the evidence that brown was a shitty person. can't say i feel any remorse for him at all |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | Officers aren't trained to fire until the threat is stopped. They're trained to use good sense and judgement. I understand if a mistake was made in the heat of the moment, but the Brown was fleeing, so why isn't the officer chasing him rather than staying stationary and firing off 11 more shots than needed? It sounds like the officer let his anger and emotions get the better of him, and that's called murder. |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | wasn't wilson a noob in the force? |
hikingmetalpunk
11.27.14 | when things don't go your way, burn your city to the ground. |
Deez
11.27.14 | Its not like its a one off incident is it?? Poor little piggy just doing his job like the countless others who gun innocents down. Its us against the machine folks. Wake up. Fuck the police. ( most of them ) |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | the point is that this is not one of those cases where an "innocent" got "gunned" down by the "machine".
people are mad over the wrong incident which is why ultimately very little will change |
Cygnatti
11.27.14 | the cop shouldn't be getting off scott-free, but the whole case doesn't deserve this kind of reaction. |
titanslayer
11.27.14 | ^^^ seriously unless you personally know this kid you shouldn't care. It's not like this kind of thing doesn't happen all the time |
Gameofmetal
11.27.14 | seriously unless you personally know this kid you shouldn't care [2]
i totally feel that way, I really don't care if it doesn't affect me. |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | So wait, people shouldnt care because they didn't know the person? I guess I shouldn't care about Holocaust victims, since I didn't know any of them. |
Gameofmetal
11.27.14 | Be more heartless pit |
betray
11.27.14 | nah but seriously that was a retarded thing to say guys |
Crymsonblaze
11.27.14 | "So wait, people shouldnt care because they didn't know the person? I guess I shouldn't care about Holocaust victims, since I didn't know any of them." Kinda yeah |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | if you care so much about the holocaust victims on a personal level why don't you tell me their names |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | Be more heartless? Are you fucking retarded, because even over the internet, that comment was dripping with sarcasm. |
Gameofmetal
11.27.14 | I was just kidding bro relax |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | Sarcasm? Are you fucking retarded, because even over the internet, that comment was dripping with sarcasm. |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | Lol tree. I wasn't talking to you. |
Kman418
11.27.14 | this whole thread is awful and im not going to bother telling all you how stupid you are bc this is sputnikmusic.com but the one thing i will say is im 80% sure wilson is actually just this guy http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130826132602/harrypotter/images/f/f0/Wikia_HP_-_Mountain_Troll.png |
Veldin
11.27.14 | I live in St. Louis and I'm too apathetic to care, but y'all should check out Killer Mike on CNN talking about it. Hi FruityCat! |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | i was talking to you though |
titanslayer
11.27.14 | "I guess I shouldn't care about Holocaust victims, since I didn't know any of them."
I'm just saying unless you care about every single one of these people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States
you shouldn't care about this particular case. |
Kman418
11.27.14 | i want an explanation as to how you can come up with a thought that makes that little logical sense |
titanslayer
11.27.14 | That list isn't even close to being up to date but apparently there's around 400 "justifiable homicide"
cases by police a year. Someone was probably killed by a cop today. Do you care? Of course not. Should you
care about this case? No.
Why is this case a big deal and none of the other cases? Because the media is stupid and we're all sheep |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | you can care about a case without caring about perpetrator or victim or burning down an entire city tbh |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | an explanation to political opinions on sputnikmusic when users can't coherently expand their own musical opinions |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | speak for yourself titan |
titanslayer
11.27.14 | I just want to know, what's so special about the Ferguson case? Why is this such a big deal when you won't even hear about any of the other police shootings? The only reason anyone even knows this happened is because the media picked up the story for some reason. There's thousands of sob stories like this one that you'll never hear, what made this case so special? |
DominionMM1
11.27.14 | "I know Brown was in the wrong, but did the cop have to shoot 12 times? That sounds like a murderous rage ratherthan self defense."
this
|
titanslayer
11.27.14 | A small part of me feels bad for this kid, the same small part of me that feels bad for the millions of
people that die violently every year. In other stories the cop used excessive force too. Why aren't those
stories a big deal? |
Kman418
11.27.14 | i care about the holocaust. i care about the lesson we can get learn from it as to what ignoring violence can lead to. i care about the long term ramifications its had and the fact that anti semitism and fascism are still huge problems in our world today. most of all, i care about how horrible and upsetting it is that someone could cause such a huge act of violence, even if i don't know every victim effected.
similarly, i care about the fact that racism is still a huge issue globally, especially in the police force and other positions of authority in america. i care about the fact that violence against black people is still completely accepted in america. i care about the fact that by letting wilson go they're essentially setting the precedent that in america cops can commit racially charged acts of violence and hatred and walk away from it scott free, and i care about the fact that by taking a stance of neutrality on this matter is essentially saying that you're complacent with that too.
no i never knew mike brown or any holocaust victims personally and as i result i will never mourn their loss on a personal and emotional level but its literally baffling to me that someone who is presumably nearing or in their early 20s lacks the critical thinking skills to appreciate that there might possibly be greater societal implications and issues tied with these events past caring about the victims as people and SHOCKER maybe THATS why people actually care about them. truly revolutionary. |
betray
11.27.14 | "the fact that violence against black people is still completely accepted in america. i care about the fact that by letting wilson go they're essentially setting the precedent that in america cops can commit racially charged acts of violence and hatred and walk away from it scott free, and i care about the fact that by taking a stance of neutrality on this matter is essentially saying that you're complacent with that too."
shut the fuck up dipshit |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | "i care about the fact that violence against black people is still completely accepted in america."
except it's not or else this whole thing wouldn't be a big deal
"i care about the fact that by letting wilson go they're essentially setting the precedent that in america cops can commit racially charged acts of violence and hatred and walk away from it scott free"
except this is not a racially charged act of violence at all
"and i care about the fact that by taking a stance of neutrality on this matter is essentially saying that you're complacent with that too."
this particular case just isn't a big deal to be honest so yeah i'm pretty complacent with how it went
the biggest negative here is the media and public reaction if anything
"its literally baffling to me that someone who is presumably nearing or in their early 20s lacks the critical thinking skills to appreciate that there might possibly be greater societal implications and issues tied with these events"
those being that people on twitter are stupid as shit?
|
treeqt.
11.27.14 | honestly the most important ~societal implication~ of this whole thing (and gamergate in exactly the same way) is that people these days go apeshit as soon as minorities can potentially be victimized
|
Relinquished
11.27.14 | you don't have anything better or constructive to say against that, betray |
betray
11.27.14 | "violence against black people is still completely accepted in america."
pretty done with you dude |
betray
11.27.14 | he said it all for me relinquished |
BlacKapes
11.27.14 | got way too much to say on this and cant articulate well |
BlacKapes
11.27.14 | "if it is then why has this event been blown this far out of proportion?" [3] |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | yes he did, that didn't appear at the time |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | don't blast kman too much guys he's only 14 |
Kman418
11.27.14 | its been blown out of proportion bc people are finally taking a stand against it. that doesn't change the fact that theres still a large group of people that think that brown somehow deserved this or that wilson is innocent and justified, and the simple fact that he got let go without even having a trial is enough to show that most white people really couldn't give a shit.
literally like talking to a group of middle schoolers rn this is common sense |
Keyblade
11.27.14 | to suburban white teenagers who can't seem to fathom why there is such an outrage yep |
tommygun
11.27.14 | yo dev can we get this one wiped now |
Cygnatti
11.27.14 | Common sense on sput? Hmm well |
betray
11.27.14 | so is it completely accepted in america or just by "a large group of people" make up your mind bud |
YakNips
11.27.14 | dont care to read all of this but it seems pretty obvious that darren wilson should've gone to trial |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | no it's not and you're overreacting/blowing this out of proportion
i don't think brown deserved to die but at the same time i got no compassion for someone getting killed attacking a cop
i don't agree with defending brown. if you attack a cop you give up on life.
if you want to talk about wilson's innocence or lack thereof you should clarify what you accuse him of. murder? because then he appears to be innocent. |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | the whole no trial thing i dont really understand either tbh but i don't know too much about y'all's legal system anyway |
YakNips
11.27.14 | how is this blowing out of proportion
unarmed kids get shot down by cops all the time and it's fucking bullshit and the fact that people are finally starting to talk about it is important |
betray
11.27.14 | agreed how is destroying a city and 24/7 news coverage blowing it out of proportion?!??! |
YakNips
11.27.14 | yeah ok i'm not gonna do this pce fam go blacks |
FruityCatOfDoom
11.27.14 | Woah, sputnikpolitics |
YakNips
11.27.14 | i'm not going to argue with you beej |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | the thing is this isn't the racially motivated hatecrime it's made out to be
it's a policeman overreacting to getting attacked
|
FruityCatOfDoom
11.27.14 | "Yo dev can we get this one wiped now"
What does he mean by that? |
YakNips
11.27.14 | he means he wants the list to be deleted |
NorthernSkylark
11.27.14 | i often overreact by killing people, no wait that's the thing i don't do
sorry, i just get distracted sometimes |
Kman418
11.27.14 | "so is it completely accepted in america or just by "a large group of people" make up your mind bud"
people in positions of authority don't give a shit about violence against black people ie cops politicians etc because SHOCKER theyre almost all white and theyre the ones who control the legal system and what happens to pieces of shit like wilson how thick can you be
"i don't think brown deserved to die but at the same time i got no compassion for someone getting killed attacking a cop"
it has been shown time and time again that they've skewed the facts and lied relentlessly to push this narrative and the fact that you're still believing it shows that 1. you're only getting your info from sources that are trying to protect wilson and 2. you have no grounds to speak on this issue
"its funny to think that people think they know more than that grand jury did. they saw every single last piece of evidence and you didn't"
all the evidence has been released and if you'd actually bother to take the time to look over it or read anything about it instead of just assuming "hm well out justice system that has been proven to be corrupt and broken MUST be right" you'd know that a lot of the info used didn't line up at all and the circumstances regarding the case itself are incredibly questionable
"to suburban white teenagers who can't seem to fathom why there is such an outrage yep"
hard
honestly its kind of shocking to me that none of you guys realize the only people that aren't angry about this in this thread are white |
betray
11.27.14 | Kman if you went over the evidence presented to the grand jury like you said you did and still have the opinion that you do then you might just actually be retarded |
Kman418
11.27.14 | "the thing is this isn't the racially motivated hatecrime it's made out to be"
wilson was affiliated with the KKK before the incident, he'd had multiple other incidents where he mistreated poc before this specific incident, and he shot brown when he had his hands up and was 100+ feet away from him, facing wilson. these are all facts. i can go dig up sources to all this if you really want me to but i'd rather not go to the trouble. |
betray
11.27.14 | "wilson was affiliated with the KKK before the incident"
"he shot brown when he had his hands up and was 100+ feet away from him"
wow you fucking imbecile lmao |
Kman418
11.27.14 | "Kman if you went over the evidence presented to the grand jury like you said you did and still have the opinion that you do then you might just actually be retarded"
i have. ive also seen numerous sources proving how they skewed information, how they ignored inconsistencies in wilson's case and the cases of those that supported his story, and how they intentionally blocked a lot of info from the public about the circumstances surrounding the trial. as a result, ive come to the conclusion its probably not the best source from which i should be basing my opinion off of. i guess if im retarded for not automatically believing the info provided by a system that's been shown to be corrupt and racist on a case of racial hatred and violence, and you know actually trying to use some critical thinking skills when interpreting it then i dunno what to say. |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | I would actually like the sources to what betray quoted |
betray
11.27.14 | "wilson was affiliated with the KKK before the incident""
now i actually am done with this thread and you before I get banned for being mean to you for the extremely stupid things that you're saying
i don't need to prove that you're an idiot, anyone who reads your posts can determine this for themselves, i bid you a pleasant adieu. |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | yknow before this shit gets nuked by overlordeviant |
Kman418
11.27.14 | http://www.theeverlastinggopstoppers.com/2014/11/police-mole-helps-anonymous-confirm-darren-wilson-link-kkk/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/20/1346374/-BREAKING-VIDEO-Police-Lied-Mike-Brown-was-killed-148-feet-away-from-Darren-Wilson-s-SUV# |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | you're honestly way too emotional about this whole thing and your whole point is illuminati tier
also you're the closest to being racist out of all the people in this thread
|
FruityCatOfDoom
11.27.14 | Why is dev going to nuke the thread? |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | cuz this is a MUSIC website |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | I'd edit and disallow any more commenting if I were you |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | i don't really understand why ~the system~ would risk people around the country rioting just to protect some little white peasant |
Kman418
11.27.14 | "literally the 1st thing that comes up on google for darren wilson kkk."
because i just got wind of this today and since i don't tend to save links to everything i read i googled it and, shockingly, since its a pretty big piece of news there were quite a few articles on it, so i picked the first one
??? |
danielito19
11.27.14 | jesus fucking christ we got the real turbo dumbass brigade in here.
regardless of your feelings on Brown's specific case, you have to admit that it is 100% fucked up that the police kill unarmed civilians w no repercussions on a regular basis. Do the police kill civilians this frequently in any other developed country? |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | "regardless of your feelings on Brown's specific case, you have to admit that it is 100% fucked up that the police kill unarmed civilians w no repercussions on a regular basis."
yes
"Do the police kill civilians this frequently in any other developed country?"
please, how developed is america even |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | "Do the police kill civilians this frequently in any other developed country?"
only in underdeveloped ones |
Kman418
11.27.14 | "i don't really understand why ~the system~ would risk people around the country rioting just to protect some little white peasant"
it upholds white authority in america and they're already aware that any riots can easily be dealt with by the police force's use of militarization as they have when it comes to this issue for months now
"and you have not looked over 1000 pages of evidence just shut the fuck up"
im not saying i have but i have however looked over the most significant evidence and how its been presented and decided that a lot of its bullshit as a result |
Kman418
11.27.14 | "its not actually been proven yet you dipshit"
admittedly that statement might have been a little premature, but its undeniable that theres a clear link between that sect of the KKK and wilson which could likely be blown in just a few days time and that by taking this stance that theres NO POSSIBLE CONNECTION THERE and saying that there is is just RETARDED AND MAKES NO SENSE shows that u haven't been paying much attention |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | "it upholds white authority in america"
how so
they could've just thrown him to the wolves and everyone would have forgotten about the whole thing within a week or two
historically major change usually started with riots and "dealing with them" only adds fuel to the fire |
Kman418
11.27.14 | when the event originally occurred protests were intense and wide spread enough that they made national news, pretty much everyone knew about the case. give it a few months before the grand jury's decision and it had time to stratify into our culture as one of the most significant symbols for the power of the police state vs the lives of black people. by letting him walk free theyre setting the precedent that these sorts of events are justified and upholding the police states abuse of power, and if they just "threw him to the wolves" then they'd be tearing that down |
cryonetearforme
11.27.14 | Hey Kman there's an Autechre thread by Relinquished you should prolly check that out tbh |
Kman418
11.27.14 | i was looking at that it looked chill |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | yea you're welcome to talk ae other than something no 14 year old should be invested in |
Kman418
11.27.14 | luv u wolfe |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | why are you repeatedly making this a racial issue i still don't get it
also i think you underrate giving the people what they want
|
Inveigh
11.27.14 | not gonna read this whole thread but will say that I lived in the city in St. Louis for three years from 99-02 and it's the most racist city i've ever been in. and keep in mind I moved there after living in the city in Atlanta for the first 14 years of my life.
i don't say that to disparage St. Louis residents, I love people in St. Louis, my best friend is a white dude from the STL suburbs. but anyone who says they know what happened in that case is lying, and the longstanding racism that is contributing to these riots goes much farther back than the Michael Brown case (and it goes both ways)
that's my two cents |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | damn tree just when I saved the thread from more bullshit
veigh's was much appreciated though |
Inveigh
11.27.14 | I love the people of that city, black and white, but this conflict was a long time coming and it was easy to see if you live(d) there |
Kman418
11.27.14 | nah i aint replying anymore unless anyone else actually offers anything new, said what i needed 2 broe |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | the thread is about this bullshit the only way to save it is to ... stop it lol |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | yea
/thread |
Kman418
11.27.14 | just wait for 1 more asshole to pop up 3 hours later and type up a huge paragraph |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | i'll neg every review of his if he does |
someguest
11.27.14 | And as it goes for the most part: all these riots are just perpetuating the stereotypes already in place across this country. |
SonofSnow
11.27.14 | Maybe if the police were actually held accountable for their actions rioting wouldn't happen? |
someguest
11.27.14 | Or maybe put your all so intimating masculinity aside and obey someone with more authority in the heat of the moment when your life is on the line.
Challenge it later after the situation has calmed. |
SonofSnow
11.27.14 | If you can't see past the fact that this isn't just about Michael Brown, but is a microcosm of a much larger tension that's present in every facet of American life for persons of color than you are missing the larger point. The fact that time and time again we see Cops get away with murdering unarmed citizens under questionable circumstances with a light tap on the wrists (sometimes not even that).
It's disgusting, and it reoccurs time and again, and people focus on the rioting instead of the act that caused it all. It's used as a distraction, to obfuscate the gross injustices that occur daily.
When tensions mount, a mistreated community will vent their frustrations through the only avenue available to them.
Rioting is a symptom, maybe we should treat the disease. |
someguest
11.27.14 | "If you can't see past the fact that this isn't just about Michael Brown, but is a microcosm of a much larger tension that's present in every facet of American life for persons of color than you are missing the larger point. The fact that time and time again we see Cops get away with murdering unarmed citizens under questionable circumstances with a light tap on the wrists (sometimes not even that).
It's disgusting, and it reoccurs time and again, and people focus on the rioting instead of the act that caused it all. It's used as a distraction, to obfuscate the gross injustices that occur daily.
When tensions mount, a mistreated community will vent their frustrations through the only avenue available to them.
Rioting is a symptom, maybe we should treat the disease."
A major problem is the kind of people that want to be in law enforcement. Many of them suffer from things such as 'little man syndrome'. I feel a lot of them want to use force on people and this gives them the best chance of it happening. The key is not to set yourself up for it. Would you argue with an officer with his gun drawn and pointed at you? Let's forget the politics, race etc. and make it purely situational. Logic dictates that you would not participate in a decision that would most likely create an adverse situation for you. So really, the problem here was on both sides. There's no winner. A life is gone, and the cop will never work again. Effectively his life will be hell. |
zaruyache
11.27.14 | he'll never work again. lulz. He's white, remember? And there aren't that many pictures of him out,
(and he looked different during that interview than he did in the 1-2 pics the media was throwing
around) so I don't think he won't be able to find work in the same field somewhere else. Definitely
can't got back to Ferguson, though; he'd surely get shot in a week. |
ShadowRemains
11.27.14 | i bet some of you dumbfucks were the ones supporting george zimmerman |
someguest
11.27.14 | Any department would be crazy to hire his stoic ass. |
someguest
11.27.14 | "i bet some of you dumbfucks were the ones supporting george zimmerman"
Eh. This was a trained law enforcement officer. Zimmerman was a stupid Mexican cowboy with a gun and a neighborhood vendetta. It's a completely different situation. |
SonofSnow
11.27.14 | I'm not disagreeing with you about that. But we don't deal with this authority antagonizing us on a daily basis. I'm white and have never been harassed by cops. That's something that's pervasive throughout Black life in America. What I'm getting at is that the response by Ferguson's citizens isn't solely based on Michael Brown, what happened and the lack of an indictment served as a catalyst for outrage amongst the community.
Is Michael Brown in the wrong in this situation, most likely yes, is the officer at wrong too? Most likely. The fact of the matter is that this absolutely should have went to trial, a lot of this case has been clearly mishandled.
Lets reverse the situation, what if Michael Brown wasn't a black man, what if he was white? The cop would certainly have faced more scrutiny, and this case would absolutely go to trial. The fact that he was black, means this is simply the case of another "thug" acting out of place and a cop doing what's right. This is absolutely an example of systemic racism. |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | I agree there is a problem with police brutality, and it has resulted from American's caring/knowing less about the Constitution and their rights.
The problem is this has been turned into a race issue by the hysterical media. The Democratic party needs to promote the idea that racism is the reason for minorities economic and violence problems. If they ever figured out the welfare state is holding them back, or that legal gun ownership lowers overall violence, they would never vote for democrats again. Therefore the violence and poverty must just result from the'white devil' who is easily associated with republicans that are primarily white.
Both major parties are a bunch of pimps. Rand Paul will save us all. |
SonofSnow
11.27.14 | I don't think many people truly support George Zimmerman do they? He got off because of sketchy state law. |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | Same people that laugh at anarchists are the same ones complaining about police brutality.
If you want people to walk around with guns and have the right to shoot you if they feel threatened, or if you don't pay your taxes, then live with it. THat being said RIP Michael Brown theres a heaven for a G |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | I support Zimmerman, the only witness claimed Trayvon was on top of him smashing his head into concrete. I don't see how you need anything else to qualify for self defense. |
someguest
11.27.14 | "I'm not disagreeing with you about that. But we don't deal with this authority antagonizing us on a daily basis."
Definitely true. Friends tell me about their DWBs all the time.
"Lets reverse the situation, what if Michael Brown wasn't a black man, what if he was white? The cop would certainly have faced more scrutiny, and this case would absolutely go to trial. The fact that he was black, means this is simply the case of another "thug" acting out of place and a cop doing what's right. This is absolutely an example of systemic racism."
This may be true, but you wouldn't hear about it. That's what I don't like about a lot of this. The media feels like it has an obligation to shove this down our throats to the point where if we're not outraged we will be. It's disgusting. The coverage is enough to drive one mad. |
ShadowRemains
11.27.14 | "I support Zimmerman"
lol of course you do
he should've never confronted trayvon in the first place |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | what he should of done is irrelevant, its not illegal to confront someone. |
someguest
11.27.14 | Right after his trial he beat the shit out of his girlfriend.
Zimmerman's scum. |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | "Rioting is a symptom, maybe we should treat the disease."
but what's the disease that isn't symptom itself |
someguest
11.27.14 | The big one they showed the first night of the riots was the looting of a Walgreens. And I'm fine with that. It's a corporate store and they can take a loss.
But when you're burning a mom and pop shop - something they put their life's work into for YOUR community - that is ignorance almost beyond the Brown situation. |
someguest
11.27.14 | Of course not. The destructive individuals are the outliers, but they make the entire protest look bad. And it makes all the old, racist bastards in this country watching from home go, "See, they can't act in a civil manner." This really hurts any positive movement. |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | "And I'm fine with that. It's a corporate store and they can take a loss."
Franchise's have local owners... every corporate store isn't just owned by some billionaire, burning that Walgreens probably meant someone losing everything they've ever worked for if they didn't have any type of insurance or government compensation (which will probably be pitiful compared to the damages). |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | "Racists defy all logic"
queue list of notable racist logicians |
someguest
11.27.14 | I don't think Walgreens are franchises. I could be wrong though. |
someguest
11.27.14 | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3QyX9nIIAAbZjl.jpg:large
damn that picture rules haha |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | that article is hilarious Rosa, but comparing any of those to Ferguson doesn't make sense. All of those were just giant parties that got out of hand, there was virtually no violence. People took hundreds of shots directly at police in Ferguson. |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | pretty sure ancient greece was rather xenophobic (muhh poleis), thus also racist and there is your list |
someguest
11.27.14 | don't act like there isn't context to time periods |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | ~but logic is timeless~
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SonofSnow
11.27.14 | Racism is a pervasive part of our culture which is why you'll get defensive statements about these white riots as "parties getting out of hand" as evidence by LambsBread.
Immediate defense of white rioting, but once rioting becomes something largely committed by persons of color it becomes a thuggery. Where the group is in the wrong. |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | race is literally like a fetish to y'all americans it's crazy
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Keyblade
11.27.14 | Given their history it's not really surprising |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | No the line for 'thuggery or 'the group being in the wrong' is shooting directly at police.
What do you mean 'immediate defense of white rioting'? Are you implying I blindly assumed this? It says what each of the 'riots' were on the link he posted, they were mostly parties, or fools overreacting about losing a sports game.
I'm not defending any of those white idiots, but the Ferguson riots are on another level if you consider how much angrier people are alone. I have no idea why you are trying to compare a party to a political riot, or why it's somehow racist or insulting to say one is more violent than the other. I never said white people have never been in a political riot. |
SonofSnow
11.27.14 | I'm saying the general levels of outrage about rioting done by predominately white people doesn't generate nearly the same level of outrage or level of reporting as rioting done by primarily persons of color. |
Keyblade
11.27.14 | "they were mostly parties, or fools overreacting about losing a sports game. "
See this is the point. Generally there is apathy like this towards rioting by white people, even though rioting over a trivial sports game is worse (and dumber) than disenfranchised people rioting because one of their own was murdered by a cop (yet again). With the latter there is often outrage, and people say shit like "see, they're reinforcing stereotypes" |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | You are really using the term "riot" loosely though, the white people in that article aren't attempting murder (let alone hundreds of times), and the level of destruction is incomparable to Ferguson.
I think white privilege and modern anti-black racism is greatly exaggerated. Every time i've looked into one of these news stories that implies someone killed a black person out of racism, it is beyond plausible that race had 0 to do with anything. I don't know why everyone just jumps to the race assumption.
If you can give me examples of blatant anti-black racism, i'd like to look into it. |
Kman418
11.27.14 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhebftl00sk |
SonofSnow
11.27.14 | It's not necessarily blatant, but the fact that these officers treat the situation vastly dependent based on the race of who they are responding to.
Here is a perfect example with Tamir Rice. http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/
Do you think the cops pull up and react as they did if Tamir happened to be white? It took them less than 5 seconds to gun down the kid, and the rapid fire reaction of how the cops reacted exacerbated.
People of authority that are white simply respond differently to crimes if the perpetrator is a minority, and it happens often. Here is a study on cupability of black youth and how whites generally perceive black children to be older than they are and more likely of guilt.
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/black-boys-older.aspx
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LambsBread
11.27.14 | That was an interesting article, especially connected with the toy-gun shooting I already saw, i'll admit it strengthens your point, but its not enough to outright convince me.
There are always possible flaws in those types of psychological tests.The sample of subjects could be to small, or distorted either by accident or for political motivations. Also the connection of people linking blacks to apes instead of cats seems a little weak of for a few reasons. The most convincing was people perceiving blacks as older. |
ShadowRemains
11.27.14 | "I think white privilege and modern anti-black racism is greatly exaggerated. Every time i've looked into one of these news stories that implies someone killed a black person out of racism, it is beyond plausible that race had 0 to do with anything. I don't know why everyone just jumps to the race assumption."
so much wrong with this paragraph |
loveisamixtape
11.27.14 | i'm from saint charles missouri and have never been to ferguson (bc i have lived in alabama most of my life) and this shit is fascinating to me. i can understand the anger from all sides of it though. regardless of if black people are treated as unfairly as they claim (i have no idea because i am not black) they still are raised by people that most likely were mistreated, and you can't really change how you're raised. does it seem a little sketchy that darren wilson fired 12/13 shots from his gun at an unarmed dude that he stopped for walking in the road? a little bit. even more sketchy that the police chief said in an interview that darren wilson (before his name was public) wasn't even responding to a call about a robbery? a little bit. but is it at all surprising that they don't want to take it to an actual trial, despite all of the contradictory evidence on both sides? not at all, and that's why there's a problem. if you had to stare at an 18 year old kid laying in a pool of blood for 4 hours in your generally law abiding community, you may wanna burn shit down too |
loveisamixtape
11.27.14 | with all of that being said though, if i saw michael brown in any normal situation, i definitely would not immediately guess that he was 18 |
Greyvy
11.27.14 | -O.J. Simpson kills white man and white woman, found NOT GUILTY? Did white folks riot? Nope!
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bach
11.27.14 | state's story is dumb. if you side with the cop you're a dumb ass. boom. end of thread. i did it for yall |
bach
11.27.14 | dude why ya so heated? it's not like your son was gunned down in the streets and left to rot for hours |
Keyblade
11.27.14 | "-O.J. Simpson kills white man and white woman, found NOT GUILTY? Did white folks riot? Nope!"
lol i hope this is a copypasta |
Greyvy
11.27.14 | http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/blackvet.asp
@key |
Keyblade
11.27.14 | Haha nice |
hikingmetalpunk
11.27.14 | suicide by cop |
FruityCatOfDoom
11.27.14 | So, now that we talked about that. What's everyone jamming during the riots? m/ |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | "so much wrong with this paragraph"
or nah |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | Putting aside the idea that this is a racially charged killing(which I don't think it is), it's still a cop shooting 12 bullets at an unarmed person. The first shot may have been justified, but what about the other 11? This isn't s case of racism. This is the case of an officer abusing his power, whether he consciously did or didn't. 1 shot is self-defense, 12 shots is murder. |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | "regardless of if black people are treated as unfairly as they claim (i have no idea because i am not black) they still are raised by people that most likely were mistreated, and you can't really change how you're raised"
Ok, this is ridiculous. |
Relinquished
11.27.14 | there is, tree, don't be stupid |
treeqt.
11.27.14 | you say yes i say no |
PappyMason
11.27.14 | You say Stop and I say Go, go, go.
sorry. |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | "so much wrong with this paragraph" what is the point of saying this if you aren't even going to point out what is wrong and why? |
LambsBread
11.27.14 | @intothepit The number of bullets never plays a role in court or gun forensics. If you felt you were threatened with your life, you aren't required to shoot to maim and not kill. Cops are trained to shoot at the center of mass multiple times rapidly (think of a target training session for police)
http://api.ning.com/files/WQzLUF11osprT9mEyMsP-nuL4DIE9uXBAdYvxzeu0kJut8XD3RobH1fvfo2afKUMzA7zYzOGmAoY2wq97L55SQbDtTGES1Sz/gunrangetarget.jpg
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ShadowRemains
11.27.14 | "what is the point of saying this if you aren't even going to point out what is wrong and why?"
i thought it would be self-explanatory to everyone else
while not to the extent that it was in the pre-civil rights era, systemic racism against blacks is still lurking below the surface in many cases, including from law enforcement
hell, why do you think whenever a black NHL player scores an OT goal in the playoffs, there is always a number of disgusting, racist social media reactions from "fans" of the losing team?
view any comment section on a fox news/any right wing-oriented article that has anything to do with race |
loveisamixtape
11.27.14 | "Ok, this is ridiculous."
how? |
Kman418
11.27.14 | tree i want u to seriously consider what u are saying when u find yourself siding with hillary |
MO
11.27.14 | "state's story is dumb. if you side with the cop you're a dumb ass. boom. end of thread. i did it for yall"
this cant be for real |
loveisamixtape
11.27.14 | http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/15/us/missouri-teen-shooting/
i'm pretty neutral on this whole thing but the cops did act pretty sketchy. look at his body language and how it changes |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | Cops are trained to shoot to kill? Don't tell a cop you disagree with him when he gives you a speeding ticket. Hemight consider you a tthreat and pump your body with 3 rounds of lead. |
Intothepit
11.27.14 | "@intothepit The number of bullets never plays a role in court or gun forensics. If you felt you were threatened with your life, you aren't required to shoot to maim and not kill. Cops are trained to shoot at the center of mass multiple times rapidly (think of a target training session for police)"
Lol this is so wrong on so many levels. Those targets that cops shoot at in practice are armed and not fleeing the scene. Brown was unarmed and fleeing the scene. I would understand if he had shot and hit Brown, killing or wounding him when the original altercation occured. He shot 11 more times, hitting Brown with 6, while he was fleeing and never produced a firearm. That sounds like a cop who lethis anger and rage get the best of him. You know what that is called? Murder. End of story. |
LambsBread
11.28.14 | I've noticed most times when people say "this is wrong on so many levels" its actually wrong on no level at all.
"Cops are trained to shoot to kill? " primarily, yes. There really aren't many situations that require them to use a firearm for maiming purposes, they have tasers and pepper spray.
"Brown was unarmed and FLEEING the scene."
No, the blood trail clearly confirmed he turned around and went toward Brown. So did the eye witness that said he "charged him like a football player".
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LambsBread
11.28.14 | He turned around and went toward the cop* |
LambsBread
11.28.14 | "systemic racism against blacks is still lurking below the surface in many cases" this is vague and means nothing. 'systemic racism' is a term people like to throw around to assume there is racism in the government without ever identifying exactly where it exists. 'The system is racist' isn't specific enough.
A bunch of attention-seeking trolls who have an average age of 11 on comment boards and twitter accounts saying racial slurs hardly displays evidence of widespread/significant racism in government. They only do this because they know it always gets a dramatic response from african americans. |
Intothepit
11.28.14 | Lol the blood trail shows he was standing still, and there was only one witness who stated that he was "charging like a rhino.". I find it hard to believe that someone who has been shot six times was charging like a rhino, but hey, Santa could be real, and dinosaurs could be a myth. |
Intothepit
11.28.14 | So if I called a black person a "nigger," it's not racist because I just want to receive a reaction from said black person? Whether or not you say it in "jest" to get a reaction, that's racism, whether a joke or not. |
Mister Twister
11.28.14 | got way too much to say on this and cant articulate well [2]
Though I'm willing to bet my statements would not be close to what BlacKapes would have said. |
LambsBread
11.28.14 | http://therightscoop.com/cnn-analyst-reads-crucial-evidence-that-destroys-the-lies-about-michael-brown-shooting/ |
SonofSnow
11.28.14 | A bunch of attention-seeking trolls who have an average age of 11 on comment boards and twitter accounts saying racial slurs hardly displays evidence of widespread/significant racism in government. They only do this because they know it always gets a dramatic response from african americans.
Statistics and black incarceration rates are evidence enough. |
Emim
11.28.14 | "Putting aside the idea that this is a racially charged killing(which I don't think it is), it's still a cop shooting 12 bullets at an unarmed person. The first shot may have been justified, but what about the other 11? This isn't s case of racism. This is the case of an officer abusing his power, whether he consciously did or didn't. 1 shot is self-defense, 12 shots is murder."
It is very often that in such cases the magazine is expended, because in a life or death situation you are not in the clearest state of mind and may pull the trigger until the gun goes click. Whether or not that is the case here, none of us can say, but the number of shots isn't necessarily indicative or anything.
"Lol the blood trail shows he was standing still, and there was only one witness who stated that he was "charging like a rhino.". I find it hard to believe that someone who has been shot six times was charging like a rhino, but hey, Santa could be real, and dinosaurs could be a myth."
Depending on the caliber, accuracy of the shooter, and determination of the assailant, there have been cases of people taking upwards of 20 9mm rounds and surviving. Couple that with the often shoddy and insufficient weapon training provided by many departments and twelve shots isn't a stretch.
Sorry to single you out, pit, but you're one of the few in this thread I care to have any discourse with in this topic.
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titanslayer
11.28.14 | Even if racism is problem in the government it's funny that the sheep don't care the media tells them that they are supposed too. Police shooting aren't uncommon. But hey, unless the media makes a big deal out of it it doesn't matter. Everyone that is making a big deal out of this either can't think for themselves or is a terrible person that wants to start shit for no reason. |
titanslayer
11.28.14 | "It is very often that in such cases the magazine is expended"
^^^^Exactly! This shooting wasn't really any different then the countless other police shootings, but hey, because we're all morons we might as well act like this case was something outrageous. |
Emim
11.28.14 | While I agree to an extent with you, that wasn't the point I was making. |
titanslayer
11.28.14 | Ha yeah I figured that wasn't what you were going for. But it helped me make my point. I completely agree with everything you said |
Emim
11.28.14 | Well then, sir... *tips bowler hat* Good day to you |
Kman418
11.28.14 | the sheep [2] |
IAMLEGION
11.28.14 | Did Ferguson win an NBA championship or something? |
Intothepit
11.28.14 | Titanslayer, for someone who says he doesn't give a shit, you seem to inhabit this thread an awful lot.
Emim, what you said about the amount of shots fired kind of proves my point, though. Cops are trained to stay calm in the face of pressure and adversity. If he can't keep his cool and his emotions ran wild, or he wasn't in a clear state of mind, then he had no business being a cop, and he should be put on trial along with whoever trained and made him an officer. I know a few cops around where I live who said thst the amount of shots fired is an insane amount and no properly trained officer would fire off thst many shots at someone fleeing. The dude shot 11 times while the kid was fleeing. Don't you think firing off once or twice is enough before you start a chase and resolve the situation like a properly trained officer would? |
Kman418
11.28.14 | there is so much to be said here but i would rather not spend another hour relentlessly wasting my breath on a bunch of political airheads on sputnikmusic.com so instead we should chill and listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyb0NrQ-vBI |
Phlegm
11.28.14 | zzzzzz current affairs cant everyone just live their own life in the countryside w/o caring about shit like me |
titanslayer
11.28.14 | "Titanslayer, for someone who says he doesn't give a shit, you seem to inhabit this thread an awful lot."
I give a shit because for some reason this actually became a big deal. I'm saying that none of us should care, but because this escalated so much I should care. Rioting is kinda a big deal...
" I know a few cops around where I live who said thst the amount of shots fired is an insane amount and no properly trained officer would fire off thst many shots at someone fleeing."
Then why does it happen so often?
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Intothepit
11.28.14 | Because cops abuse their power, but that doesn't mean that all cops are horrible, power hungry monsters. I honestly don't understand what your question has to do with my 3 cop friends saying there is something fishy about the case. |
Intothepit
11.28.14 | "I give a shit because for some reason this actually became a big deal. I'm saying that none of us should care, but because this escalated so much I should care. Rioting is kinda a big deal..."
That has to be the most convoluted, nonsensical reasoning I have seen for anything in my entire life.
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Emim
11.28.14 | @pit
Was it determined that he was fleeing? I thought the coroner's report refuted that |
ShadowRemains
11.28.14 | "this is vague and means nothing. 'systemic racism' is a term people like to throw around to assume there is racism in the government without ever identifying exactly where it exists. 'The system is racist' isn't specific enough.
A bunch of attention-seeking trolls who have an average age of 11 on comment boards and twitter accounts saying racial slurs hardly displays evidence of widespread/significant racism in government. They only do this because they know it always gets a dramatic response from african americans."
actually they don't have an average age of 11, they are adults you dolt
they might act like they are 11, but they aren't
how the fuck does it mean nothing? perhaps i selected the wrong "generally thrown around term", but i guarantee you that a lot of folks in the US would have no problem with re-instituting segregation and go back to commonly referring to blacks as inferior, they just don't outwardly say it like in the past (well some do still, but it is more hidden than it used to be) |
zaruyache
11.28.14 | yeah Shadows but most of those people are probably Glenn Beck fans who dodn't count as people in the first place, so... they don't count. |
ShadowRemains
11.28.14 | except...unfortunately that's a lot of people |
titanslayer
11.28.14 | "Because cops abuse their power, but that doesn't mean that all cops are horrible, power hungry monsters. I honestly don't understand what your question has to do with my 3 cop friends saying there is something fishy about the case."
So you're saying that every cop that uses excessive force to kill someone is a horrible power hungry monster that should be punished? If that's how you feel you should be making a big deal about other police shootings and advocating that those cops should be punished as well. There's nothing special about this case and unless you think it's worth you effort to get all worked up about other police shootings you shouldn't care about this one either.
At the end of the day the cop really didn't do anything wrong and it's arrogant to pretend that you know better then the court. Especially when you don't even seem to know that much about the case.
"That has to be the most convoluted, nonsensical reasoning I have seen for anything in my entire life."
Yeah caring about something that's a big deal is nonsensical and convoluted. Yup I don't understand why anyone would ever care about an big issue that is causing a lot of trouble. Honestly that's the most illogical thing I've ever heard. |
Veldin
11.29.14 | The protesters have taken over two of our major malls here in STL. Oh joy. |
Gwyn.
11.29.14 | so hold on you're saying we should care but we shouldn't care |
titanslayer
11.29.14 | This shouldn't have become a big deal. No one should care any more about this then an other time a police officer shot a "innocent" person. I care because the rioting and stupid bullshit everyone is saying about it is way out of hand. It's a big deal now, and we should talk about it. |
Intothepit
11.29.14 | "Yeah caring about something that's a big deal is nonsensical and convoluted. Yup I don't understand why anyone would ever care about an big issue that is causing a lot of trouble. Honestly that's the most illogical thing I've ever heard."
No, I was saying your statement was nonsensical and convoluted. Did you take any reading comprehension in school? |
titanslayer
11.29.14 | Did you? |
Intothepit
11.29.14 | Actually yes. You're statement said none of us should care, but because it escalated so quickly, we should care. Think about how ridiculous that sounds. |
zaruyache
11.29.14 | "except...unfortunately that's a lot of people"
Cull the herd. m/ |
titanslayer
11.29.14 | Yeah that didn't make a lot of sense the way I wrote it because I forgot if I said something similar to that earlier in this thread. But I clarified what I meant but you're still harping on that for no reason. You're like a broken record man |
Intothepit
11.29.14 | I'm still harping on it? Lol I made two comments about it. And even your reasoning for not making sense doesn't make sense. I don't think you even know what you're saying anymore. |
titanslayer
11.29.14 | It makes sense, I'm not going to repeat myself over and over in this thread and I thought I already said that because of other discussions. It's not worth talking about petty shit like anymore |
Intothepit
11.29.14 | Lol whatever dude. Just say you don't know what you're saying anymore. It's okay. No one will judge you |
titanslayer
11.29.14 | Well you didn't ever know what you were talking about in this thread |
Intothepit
11.29.14 | Lol yeah I did. You were just too busy trying to be better than everyone else and posting nonsensical reasoning for your views to notice. |
Intothepit
11.29.14 | And it was hilarious when you tried to piggyback on Emim'a statement when nothing he said had anything to do with what you were trying to prove. |
Intothepit
11.29.14 | And it was hilarious when you tried to piggyback on Emim'a statement when nothing he said had anything to do with what you were trying to prove. |
titanslayer
11.29.14 | ctrl+f "fleeing"
yep you totally know what you're talking about. It's almost like you aren't just repeating stupid shit you heard someone else say |
LambsBread
11.29.14 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuupBHUGbYo
^this is really all that ever needed to be said/heard about this case.
-The blood trail went back over 20 feet towards the officer.
-The autopsy showed he couldn't have had his hands up with his palms facing the officer.
-The soot from a close range gun shot is inside Brown's wound, that proves there was a close range incident in the car.
You are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There is obviously a reasonable doubt here, especially when you consider multiple witnesses claimed the officer only shot as he was advancing (and stopped shooting while brown staggered, and stopped after he fell).
This an obvious open-and-shut non-guilty. He doesn't owe it to Brown, someone who just reached for his gun, previously attacked him, and is now charging him at full speed for over 20 feet, to shoot once at his kneecap. He isn't even capable of thought in that short of a time and such a direct threat to his lfie, instinct/reflex takes over. It's alarming seeing people make every excuse for Brown for attacking an officer and attempting to murder him, while holding the officer responsible for a split second life threatening self-defense decision. |
cryptside
11.29.14 | When did Brown attempt to murder him again, Lambs? It's alarming to see people on both sides of this issue jumping to conclusions, isn't it? |
tkxxx7
11.29.14 | video of brown not stealing. http://anarcho-queer.tumblr.com/post/95033296517
eyewitness stories of mike being shot with his hands up (and NOT 'charging' Wilson). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOh5L6zXHB4
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/11/6134825/eyewitnesses-overwhelmingly-agree-on-key-details-of-michael-browns
Darren Wilson did NOT write his own incident report. Here is the (nearly blank) report on file now. http://www.aclu-mo.org/files/4314/0871/7727/Ferguson_Police_incident_report.pdf
Darren's history of racist police work http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203
Oh, and of course, all the various cover-ups employed. http://www.salon.com/2014/09/14/fergusons_massive_cover_up_how_police_departments_are_protecting_michael_browns_killer/ |
LambsBread
11.29.14 | "When did Brown attempt to murder him"
It not irrational to assume someone that jumped in an officers car, attacked him, and tried to grab the officers gun, might of wanted to kill him.
What is asinine is assuming he has his hands up when this is directly contradicted by physical evidence, or to not acknowledge Brown attacked the officer, and tried to attack him again, while ranting about police brutality. |
tkxxx7
11.29.14 | various other tidbits I recall but didn't keep links for:
Darren Wilson's prosecutor donated to Darren's "fundraiser"
Darren "forgot" to bring his taser the day he killed Michael.
despite claiming to have been beaten up by Michael, Darren never reported any injuries (besides some redness on his face in a pic the other day)
"It looked like a demon" - Darren, referring to Michael "charging" at him |
hikingmetalpunk
11.29.14 | win some lose some, get 'em next time ferguson |
tkxxx7
11.29.14 | so, from all of the eyewitness reports, Darren shot him in cold blood and was never attacked by Michael, and the coroner's report matches. |
LambsBread
11.29.14 | "so, from all of the eyewitness reports, Darren shot him in cold blood and was never attacked by Michael, and the coroner's report matches."
nope.
http://therightscoop.com/cnn-analyst-reads-crucial-evidence-that-destroys-the-lies-about-michael-brown-shooting/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/22/report-autopsy-analysis-shows-michael-brown-may-have-gone-for-darren-wilsons-gun/
Quote:
Melinek also told the newspaper another bullet struck Brown at close range — and may at that point have been reaching for Wilson’s weapon. The autopsy found material “consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm” in a wound on Brown’s thumb. Melinek said this “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.”
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LambsBread
11.29.14 | i rest my case, adios amigos |
cryptside
11.29.14 | It doesn't directly contradict the physical evidence though, it's all about what "expert" you want to draw from. This is directly and explicitly about racism, but it doesn't really matter at this point, honestly. People will always bend things to fit their viewpoint no matter what. It's a fact of life. What matters to me is how both sides are handling the aftermath. The fact that people have crowdfunded a pro-Wilson billboard to be put up in Ferguson that demeans the people that are PEACEABLY demonstrating is not only inflammatory, it's also incredibly disrespectful and deliberate. The looting and arson that have ensued are idiots taking advantage of the situation. There are ways to use a tragedy like this to ensure that things like this don't have any room for gray area in the future. |
tkxxx7
11.29.14 | if you watched the video, it's explained by the witnesses that Michael was first shot when trying to wrestle away from the car
but, you didn't |
Kman418
11.30.14 | hillary is a smart individual that uses critical thinking skills |
tkxxx7
11.30.14 | thanks i'm so glad i changed my name to that |
LambsBread
11.30.14 | This is directly and explicitly about racism, cuz I said so. Nevermind we have witness testimony that matches the physical evidence that matches the officers story. It's all about saying "opinions" so I can repeat discredited witnesses.
Why would i watch a video of some witness who didn't even collaborate his story with the physical evidence. The fact that you are quoting such a person show ls how bad you are grasping at straws. |
