731
08.14.10 | Cool list, all the better for not having Shape of Mediocrity To Come at 1 |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Lol what?
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Captain North
08.14.10 | Fair enough if it's all old school. |
731
08.14.10 | I was making a reference to the Refused album The Shape of Punk to Come, which a lot of people on sputnik constantly fap over whenever hardcore is discussed because they've only heard about 5 other hardcore bands in their life |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Ofcoarse! theres no real punk nowadays! |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Ive heard of that album but never heard it...it has a 4.6 rating tho |
731
08.14.10 | yeah don't take the ratings on sputnik too seriously |
Captain North
08.14.10 | Dude, you're fucking dick if you think theres no real punk now.
and 731, I'm pretty deep into hardcore and I can still see that Shape of Punk is a legendary album. |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Okay name some real punk! |
Captain North
08.14.10 | It depends on what you're defining as punk, because I get the feeling you're doing it wrong. Punk is the mentality, the passion to play what you want as hard as you want and to do it for yourself and for the kids rather than the money and the prestige. Punk is passion and thats that. It still exists.
People who say punk is dead are normally the ones who think the Sex Pistols were punk. But they weren't, they were as fucking corporate as you get. |
Captain North
08.14.10 | And you've Thursday's War All The Time rated 4.5, that was an album written with a punk mentality. |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | I agree that the sex pistols were corporate! hard to dispute that they came together because of a fucking clothing designer or something but i do agree with what your saying about the passion, and i hardly see that around anymore |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | I like thursday lol |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | oh by the way dont pay much attention with my ratings im not comepletely happy with them |
Captain North
08.14.10 | You're not looking deep enough that's why. Check out Aggression by Verse, Travels by Defeater, Love Let Me Go by More Than Life and Witness by Modern Life is War. Modern hardcore at its finest. |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Okay will do captain |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | but otherwise you like the list right? |
Captain North
08.14.10 | To be honest I don't really listen to old school stuff. It's not that I think its bad, it just doesn't click with me for some reason. But Bad Brains and Black Flag practically invented the genre I've come to love so much, so I gotta give thumbs up for that. |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Understood. Glad to see you can respect music that your just not into |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | to all those thinking it....Fuck THE RAMONES!!!!!! |
731
08.14.10 | Apparently the most punk thing of all is making retrogressive music |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Whats that suppose to mean? |
Captain North
08.14.10 | Apparently you're full of shit.
EDIT: @731 |
IAJP
08.14.10 | amazing list man, bad brains first album is literally fucking timeless. i love all the other stuff too. not sure i agree with you hating on newer punk, i do appreciate a lot of it is bollocks, and a lot of bands seem to have jumped into the boots made and worn in by punk bands like BB, black flag, husker etc, bands like green day and the likes, but you should check out rise against if you haven't already, siren song is an amazing album. but as i say, good list! hear hear.. |
IAJP
08.14.10 | also was fuck the ramones a serious comment? if so i will have to give you a huge list of reasons why that is incorrect.. |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Thanx buddy!(IAJP) i have heard of rise against, i have the suffer & the witness cd. Solid punk album |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | They were innovative but i cant get into them...too simple |
Captain North
08.14.10 | Rise Against are a bit boring, although Life Less Frightening is a hell of a song. |
IAJP
08.14.10 | thing about the early wave of punk is, you have to look at it in two ways, musically obviously - if you don't like the music then that's fair enough. but socially too, ramones were one of the first punk bands in america, so literally you can't ignore them if you've ever listened to the albums in this list. same goes for sex pistols over here, i fucking hate them but they are also one of, if not the most important bands ever. both these bands music still is a blueprint for any punk album, or even an alternative rock album, be it from the obvious green day, to even some metal, they are that important. new york dolls to some extent (stylistically) too.
ramones are just good music though, i find it hard to believe you don't like 'em! |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | dunno if it actually counts as hardcore, but Discharge? |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | IAJP:Thats what everyone says but they just dont appeal to me, from what ive heard from the, ive never anything with passion or anything. as for the sex pistols, i love nevermind the bollocks but i think the way they formed ruins there cred..but i totally see what your saying |
IAJP
08.14.10 | sex pistols are utter garbage, even as a huge punk fan that album has very little artistic merit, but then again i suppose it's point was to be anarchic and nihilist, which it succeeds in. i dunno, i find early american punk much more listenable than early british punk, think everything but the attitude and image was better..songwriting, musicianship. ramones will always take pistols for me, but that's probably because of their expansive discography. |
Captain North
08.14.10 | Sex Pistols may be important, but they marked punk as an aesthetic not a mindset. As for the Ramones, they kick started punk in America and served as a reaction to the wankery of prog rock, and so have to be given credit as such. And thanked for giving an alternative. haha |
IAJP
08.14.10 | yeah man, that's it really. anyone who doesn't listen to prog drudgery nowadays has punk music to thank for that, and by punk music i mean ramones and sex pistols. haha! |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Makes sense, i do prefer american punk to british punk..i think americans were more kool about it. with the distortion and the shouting and low production...i love it! |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | I listen to both! |
Mordecai.
08.14.10 | what a retarded thread this is |
burnafterbreeding
08.14.10 | daamaaged.
DAAAMAAAGEEED |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.14.10 | I'm a big fan of Husker Du, but they don't belong on here. |
PanasonicYouth
08.14.10 | i only read the first few comments so i'll just base the rest of the conversation off of that
north's a retard
refused is not the greatest thing evar in hardcore
NEEDS MOAR DEFEATER |
RebelWithoutApplause
08.14.10 | How come no one's mentioned Dangers? Them and Defeater are the two best hardcore bands still around today! |
Alexd93
08.14.10 | Im sure theye great bands, the these albums are the absolute essentials of hardcore punk |
PanasonicYouth
08.14.10 | hardcore isn't just confined to the 80s, dude |
botb
08.14.10 | ^what he said. |
botb
08.14.10 | also how can you have the best and most influential hardcore punk albums without
a.) minor threat
or
b.) gorilla biscuits |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.14.10 | Start Today is fucking absolutely essential |
731
08.15.10 | Misfits - Earth AD/Wolfs Blood
kicks ass |
EyesWideShut
08.15.10 | Hear nothin, See nothin, Say Nothin ..
list should be more than 5. |
fr33convict
08.15.10 | Get Refused's "The Shape Of Punk To Come." Besides "Fresh Fruit" it's my favorite punk album. |
WeepingBanana
08.15.10 | get Bane - Give Blood. not necessarily influential but a really overlooked hardcore album. as far as old school goes, Milo Goes To College is probably my favorite along with 3 |
Alexd93
08.15.10 | i only put 5 because im not as familiar with hardcore punk as most others so i didnt wanna out due myself, minor threat is essential but i havnt heard of som eof the others people are talking about |
Captain North
08.15.10 | Panasonic Youth, I didn't say it Refused is the greatest thing ever. I just said it was a legendary album. > |
zarquan99
09.11.10 | yes, although everyone faps all over The Shape of Punk to Come, it really is a fantastic album. Not the best, but seriously amazing. |
ironmaiden1204
09.11.10 | no Cro-Mags? |
MUNGOLOID
09.11.10 | only heard 3. still interested in 1 & 2. |
mmfarva
09.11.10 | Need to check these out. |
Alexd93
09.12.10 | Im going to update this list soon |