Countess: Conspiracy Theorists Unite!

Countess 05.06.11	list is Burzum ranked btw, same goes for that football player who said 9/11 was an inside job. now there's a newsflash! about 10 years too late jackass
Mewcopa0 05.06.11	correct ranking
Josh D. 05.06.11	Nikki Spencer. Conspiract theorists are gay.
eternium 05.06.11	2 > all
Hyperion1001 05.06.11	I won't believe it until i see an unshopped photo or video. The fact that they won't show any evidence to the public is bullshit.
Countess 05.06.11	I'm not saying that either one of these guys are wrong, I just don't like how people pay so much attention to what musicians and athletes say
Josh D. 05.06.11	I saw Bin Laden having a beer at Sherlock's with Ralph Nader the other day, so wtf.
Hyperion1001 05.06.11	People who base ideals and decisions on what celebrities (well anyone actually) instead of for themselves are retarded in general so i don't see anything wrong with them voicing their opinions.
eternium 05.06.11	The government wouldn't lie about this. All Al Qaeda would have to do is release another video of him to disprove what the government is saying and that would make Watergate seem like a you got your order wrong at Taco Bell.
Josh D. 05.06.11	Taco Bell did what with my order?!
MO 05.06.11	"I'm not saying that either one of these guys are wrong, I just don't like how people pay so much attention to what musicians and athletes say" uh it's not like they're imbeciles or anything, alot of musicians and athletes are actually pretty smart
Hyperion1001 05.06.11	I guess that's sound logic eternium but i still don't understand why they can't just verify it. That BS about igniting new conflicts is stupid, as if actually killing him wouldn't have already done that.
SeaAnemone 05.06.11	Conspiracy theories like this are nice because it points out the idiots in the community so easily. "I love BTBAM" hmmm... well they miiiiight be an idiot, or it could just be nostalgia or something? I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt. "I won't believe it until i see an unshopped photo or video." That's the stuff. No more paperwork to be examined or question to be asked. Idiot.
eternium 05.06.11	I imagine that they just don't want that picture all over the news 24/7 for a week. That's what would happen anyway.
Countess 05.06.11	"uh it's not like they're imbeciles or anything, alot of musicians and athletes are actually pretty smart" a lot? maybe not some? sure that football player IS an imbecile though
iarescientists 05.06.11	"I won't believe it until i see an unshopped photo or video. The fact that they won't show any evidence to the public is bullshit." what? they dumped his body in the sea as per muslim beliefs. even if someone is the most evil person ever, you should still observe their religious beliefs and honor their burial rights. there's not going to be anything soon. the seals took pic to send back to the US confirm it was him, but i assume that'll be under tight wraps for some time to come, so i don't really see any pics coming out for a while.
eternium 05.06.11	"they dumped his body in the sea as per muslim beliefs." No, they cleaned his body and prepared it as per Muslim beliefs. The dumping in the sea has been condemned by some Muslims as disrespectful but was done so that a marked grave could not become some sort of shrine for extremists (and no country would take the body anyway).
Hyperion1001 05.06.11	I don't understand what about wanting actual evidence of something makes me an idiot (quite the opposite actually) but alright. I agreed that eternium's logic was sound though, i hadn't thought of that.
eternium 05.06.11	There's other evidence dude. There's pictures of other bodies that were shot, there's a video of the aftermath that shows the pool of blood, and there's comments from neighbors concerning what happened, including one that live tweeted about random helicopters coming to a nearby house.
kris. 05.06.11	burzum sucks
savagecabbage 05.06.11	bin ladens dead?
iarescientists 05.06.11	"No, they cleaned his body and prepared it as per Muslim beliefs. The dumping in the sea has been condemned by some Muslims as disrespectful but was done so that a marked grave could not become some sort of shrine for extremists (and no country would take the body anyway)." ah yeah. i guess i was wrong to say "dumping the body" was following muslim standards, but the point was that they "buried" the body 24 hours after the death, so no pics are coming out anytime soon
beefshoes 05.06.11	This is pretty interesting: http://theglobalrealm.com/2011/05/04/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag/
Countess 05.06.11	ok the guy's name is Rashard Mendenhall, said he didn't believe that planes caused the collapse of the World Trade Center then he lost his endorsement with Champion I hope this discourages athletes from commenting on things like this in the future
Chrisjon89 05.06.11	"What purpose does a comment like that serve?" As the old saying goes, opinions are like buttholes. They're usually totally gross. In all seriousness I love reading about conspiracy theories (not believing them! reading)
Countess 05.06.11	"As the old saying goes, opinions are like buttholes. They're usually totally gross." not quite sure that that's how the saying goes but point taken ;)
Chrisjon89 05.06.11	Here's an interesting (or totally ridiculous - you decide) conspiracy theory I've read on this subject: - Osama died of lung or liver disease/was killed in late 2001 and his body was preserved. This was kept secret from the public so there wouldn't be diminished support for the war on terror, and his death would be revealed at an opportune time for the government. I think it's shite. It's like when people were saying 9/11 was set up by America to gain support for the war on terror. How can people have that little faith in their government? Surely they wouldn't believe they'd do that awful stuff to their own people.
Countess 05.06.11	"Surely they wouldn't believe they'd do that awful stuff to their own people." I hope you were being sarcastic btw I thought that Osama died/would die and it would be kept secret just so the people who wanted him dead wouldn't get the satisfaction
Chrisjon89 05.06.11	It's just a massively depressing thought. Not something I'd want to believe. South Park actually did a pretty clever take on that issue. "btw I thought that Osama died/would die and it would be kept secret just so the people who wanted him dead wouldn't get the satisfaction" Wouldn't get the satisfaction? How do you mean? And who?
Countess 05.06.11	"Not something I'd want to believe" just because you don't WANT to believe it doesn't mean it couldn't happen and I mean if Osama died and we didn't know it, people wouldn't be rejoicing/celebrating his death
Deviant. 05.06.11	"I won't believe it until i see an unshopped photo or video. The fact that they won't show any evidence to the public is bullshit." No, it's not. What do you want, a shot of Bin Laden with half his head missing to prove he is dead? Do you have any idea what kind of terrorist activity they could instigate by showing that? Like I said in andcas' thread: I don't need a photo for me to believe he is dead, just like I don't need reports and documents for me to believe you're an idiot
Chrisjon89 05.06.11	Very true. I agree and that's what gives weight to that conspiracy theory, because that revelation is surely a huge boost to Obama's approval ratings with an election on the horizon. The reactions to it were very interesting too. Dunno if you saw any of the lists/threads here. At the very least it was cool to see how it brought people together to celebrate in the streets. I'm Australian so it was more low key here but I think some Muslims gathered together to celebrate it, cos the last ten years or so in particular has created so much misconception towards that.
Spec 05.06.11	Hmm.
Josh D. 05.06.11	Real talk.
Knott- 05.06.11	"The fact that they won't show any evidence to the public is bullshit." No, it isn't. You have any idea of the anger (rightly or wrongly, it DOESN'T MATTER) that holding him up as a trophy would cause in certain parts of the world? And the possible consequences of such anger? But who fucking cares, right? Because the important bit is that the West gets to gloat about it. I have literally no idea what the point of claiming it would be were it not true, unless you claim it as a cynical appeal to patriotism. I think Obama is considerably more astute than that. In any case it makes me fucking laugh that people are coming out and saying they can't see any reason why pictures of the dead body of an idol for terrorists haven't been published. You have to be seriously retarded not to realise the diplomatic intricacies involved stretch much further than "AMERICA, WOO!" So fucking naive.
Chrisjon89 05.06.11	"Do you have any idea what kind of terrorist activity they could instigate by showing that?" I agree and I don't want to see that stuff anyway. I also agree that it would definitely incite more anger from terrorists, but I'd use different reasoning than you (and Obama said the same thing). Surely the death of this guy is motivation enough for them to do something.
Hyperion1001 05.06.11	"Surely the death of this guy is motivation enough for them to do something." That's what i said.
Knott- 05.06.11	So let's add fuel to the fire then, right? Basically, Obama quite rightly doesn't give a fuck if you don't believe he's dead. You're not about to blow up any buildings because of holding that opinion.
Hyperion1001 05.06.11	I see you're points, and maybe my comment was a bit hastily made. Point is none of us will ever really know exactly what happened over there. I still like eternium's logic the most though.
Chrisjon89 05.06.11	I feel the same as you Knott but I definitely understand that scepticism. Seeing is believing and all that jazz.
killrobotmusic 05.06.11	Dyslexics, untie!
SeaAnemone 05.06.11	the Birther movement needs SOMEthing to spread stupidity over now that Obama showed his birth certificate, don't they?...
climactic 05.06.11	I won't believe it until i see an unshopped photo or video. The fact that they won't show any evidence to the public is bullshit. agreed with second sentence only
ConsiderPhlebas 05.06.11	I'm not sure what people imagine a photo would prove. He was shot in the top of the face, so all you'd see would be a beard with a bloody mess above it. There are at least two people in the world with beards, so yeah.
savagecabbage 05.06.11	All I know is that you bitches better know how to handle yourselves in case shit hits the fan. Been watching alot of Bear Grylls lately so I know how to decapitate a rattlesnake with my teeth, gut the intrails and use the skin to hold my piss just in case I get thirsty.
Deviant. 05.06.11	Bear Grylls sucks I would like to see these images as I was told he died while wearing an animal collective t-shirt. Can we confirm/deny this Mr. President?
savagecabbage 05.06.11	He's a Degree slinging sellout pussy that pees into his own asshole for rehydration purposes.
ConsiderPhlebas 05.06.11	Any man that can piss up his own ass is ok with me
Alxander18 05.06.11	"I saw Bin Laden having a beer at Sherlock's with Ralph Nader the other day, so wtf." ZING
Apollo 05.06.11	Any man that can piss up his own ass is ok with m strange taste in men you have Phleb
Wolfhorde 05.06.11	Odd conversations here.
Deathcar 05.06.11	I agree with Eternium, Obama would have far too much to lose from it being a lie. Also, even if they release a photo, the conspiracy types will say it's been photoshopped etc. or that you can't tell it's him...i'm sure there's enough pictures taken from the Iraq War/Afghanistan of guys dressed in similar attire to Bin Laden, with their heads blown open, that people would still claim it wasn't him.
foreverendeared 05.06.11	ugghh
musicConsumer 05.06.11	Why did they take any photos at all if its obvious that they shouldn't be released.
Keyblade 05.06.11	Photos will never be enough to convince hardcore conspiracy theorists.
Loanshark 05.06.11	A few days ago I saw a user named OsamaBinLaden911 or something like that posting on sputnik. He is most definitely not dead.
sifFlammable 05.06.11	Fucking correct ranking indeed! You theorists may be interested in a book called Illuminatus! Trilogy by Robert Shea / Robert Anton Wilson
Keyblade 05.06.11	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOIy6QEbes&feature=aso
ConsiderPhlebas 05.06.11	Why would they photoshop the pictures? If it was a conspiracy, I'm sure they'd have gone to the trouble of shooting someone else who had a beard.
Knott- 05.06.11	Do you all still think he's not dead now that Al Qaeda have said it? Hey maybe the media is controlled by the Illuminati too!
BigHans 05.06.11	Morbid curiosity means I really want to see the photos but I think it would probably be a mistake to release them. Who knows if it would actually make a difference or not, but best to er on the side of caution.
Remer17 05.06.11	I was talking to this one conspiracy theorist and he told me that he thinks that the attacks on the WTC were real terrorist attacks but Flight 93 and the plane that hit the Pentagon were part of a conspiracy. Makes no sense at all.
SeaAnemone 05.06.11	KNOTT BELIEVING UNTIL I SEE THE BODY, KNOTT
Tyrael 05.06.11	'Do you all still think he's not dead now that Al Qaeda have said it?' It wouldn't be the first time America tries to convince the world of something to make themselves look good while they are actually just bullshitting. Like: 'We think Saddam has weapons of mass destruction hurr'.
BigHans 05.06.11	Conspiracy theories are fun to think about, but most people that tout them regularly are colossal fucking idiots. That said, I do buy into the JFK Conspiracies. I think LBJ iced Kennedy. Guy was a fucking self-serving prick.
Remer17 05.06.11	The problem with conspiracy theorists is they don't think the president takes a shit without something shady going on.
BigHans 05.06.11	Remer, good point, although there have been a few presidents in our history where that is probably true.
Knott- 05.06.11	I have a problem with impulsively laughing off all conspiracy theories because the chances are that there are cover-ups and that rare ones have a grain of truth in them, and I generally think that if the price we have to pay to explore those worthwhile directions is idiots saying IT WASN'T A TSUNAMI IT WAS A BOMB UNDER THE SEA then so be it. Mostly the point is to critically analyse each case on its own merits.
BigHans 05.06.11	There are certain ones I will entertain and many more I will immediately dismiss because they are just too fucking stupid.
Emim 05.06.11	Because musicians aren't real people and cannot have their own opinions
VeilOfOsiris 05.06.11	burzum is for pussys
ConsiderPhlebas 05.06.11	Calling anything a conspiracy makes it seem fantastical, not least because so much fiction has been devoted to the subject. The fact is that politicians are professional liars. They lie for all sorts of reasons, from all out self-preservation to vital national security. What's more of an issue is how much damage their current lies will do, and in this case, it really doesn't matter. Osama is dead, one way or the other.
Motiv3 05.06.11	'I was talking to this one conspiracy theorist and he told me that he thinks that the attacks on the WTC were real terrorist attacks but Flight 93 and the plane that hit the Pentagon were part of a conspiracy. Makes no sense at all.' LOL what the fuck.
Knott- 05.06.11	^That's just someone who's realised he looks like an idiot swallowing the entire conspiracy story and has attempted to mitigate it slightly whilst still making the same claims only to make himself look like even more of a moron. Lol.
BigHans 05.06.11	people who think 9/11 was an inside job are some of the biggest idiots in history.
djunior 05.06.11	i think that he's been dead. that theyve been saving it for a publicity stunt
BloodSweatandBeers 05.06.11	everyone should check out the list by daveypeach from today, apparently terrorism isn't a big deal
BloodSweatandBeers 05.06.11	look in the lists
KILL 05.06.11	he has the best profile pic in the world
ConsiderPhlebas 05.06.11	The effect of terrorism is tragic, especially when it's something like the WTC, but if there were the legions of terrorists that the media and various governments suggest there would be petrol bombs being thrown into crowded bars and trains being derailed with concrete blocks every week.
foreverendeared 05.06.11	But there are attacks like that all the time. In 2007 there were 442 reported suicide bombings in Iraq that targeted more civilians than anyone, you just don't hear about them all the time because they happen so often. In the last couple of years these attacks have been happening less and less though.