WeepingBanana
06.06.12 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUdM9vrCbow |
Xenophanes
06.06.12 | Looks like Tarantinos usually blend of great humor, good drama, and loveable juvenile violence. Looks like it will have some solid performances. All in all if its as good as Inglorious Basterds I will be very pleased. |
climactic
06.06.12 | if its close to as good as IB i will be a very happy camper. prometheus also looks sick |
Satellite
06.06.12 | looks awesome. i enjoyed inglorious basterds more than just about any movie ever, and this looks pretty similar as far as revising history and shit. idk i'm drunk but it looks cool. |
WeepingBanana
06.06.12 | yeah. it hurts to know that Kurt Russel, Sacha Baron-Cohen and Joseph Gordon-Levitt were supposed to be in it, but still it's gonna rule |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.06.12 | "Looks like Tarantinos usually blend of great humor, good drama, and loveable juvenile violence. Looks like it will have some solid performances. All in all if its as good as Inglorious Basterds I will be very pleased."
Summed up my feelings quite well actually. |
InFiction
06.06.12 | I wasn't entirely convinced before, but I'm on board after watching it. |
EyesWideShut
06.06.12 | looks good, Tarantino goin all Boss Nigger on ya. but where Samual L and Kurt Russel ?? |
Hyperion1001
06.06.12 | hope its better than inglorious |
pwalcher
06.06.12 | "the D is silent..."
mmmm looks like some damn good film-making, Tarantino rules |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.06.12 | I used to pronounce it with the D. I should have known better. |
Hyperion1001
06.06.12 | if u listened to any django reinhardt ud already know |
TheGreatGrandGeneral
06.07.12 | Anyone know if it has anything to do with the original 1966 Django besides the name? |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "looks good, Tarantino goin all Boss Nigger on ya. but where Samual L and Kurt Russel ??"
kurt russel jumped ship.
"Anyone know if it has anything to do with the original 1966 Django besides the name?"
the guy who played Django in that has a cameo in this so it's definitely an homage at the least, which Tarantino is liable to do |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | ^ quite accurate |
TheGreatGrandGeneral
06.07.12 | Aw yes Franco Nero, definitely going to see this. |
Kiran
06.07.12 | from that zoom shot on his smug face alone, i just know di caprio's character is going to be classic tarantino entertainment |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | Maybe he'll finally win that Oscar he's looking for. You can tell he's trying hard. |
Samizdat
06.07.12 | The zoom shot is my favorite part of the trailer. |
Kiran
06.07.12 | in regards to his oscar, i figure tarantino would've written his character similarly to how he wrote christoph waltz's hans landa, which bodes well |
Satellite
06.07.12 | holy shit kiran sighting |
Kiran
06.07.12 | long time no see hombre |
deathofasalesman
06.07.12 | I've been stoked for this since the title was first announced. Trailer is keeping my hopes up. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | Tarantino making another movie in the 2000's: will probably be just as bad as the last one |
Dashy
06.07.12 | Looks alright. Not getting my hopes up until it gets reviewed. |
KeithStone582
06.07.12 | holy fuck yes! |
Satellite
06.07.12 | "Looks alright. Not getting my hopes up until it gets reviewed."
or you could watch it and formulate your own opinion |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "Tarantino making another movie in the 2000's: will probably be just as bad as the last one"
lol |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | He hasn't made a good movie since Jackie Brown |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | Actually I take that back - Kill Bill wasn't too bad |
Tyrael
06.07.12 | 'Tarantino making another movie in the 2000's: will probably be just as bad as the last one'
good comment Baseline, you're improving |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | MUTINY AND DISSENSION!! |
andcas
06.07.12 | the only thing I'm stoked on is gangster squad. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | Yeah, that looks good |
Recspecs
06.07.12 | YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
FUCK YEAH OH MAN I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG HOLY FUCK |
andcas
06.07.12 | is it because you're black and hate white people? |
Xenophanes
06.07.12 | Kill Bill was fucking wonderful Deviant. c'mon man. IB was great too. Death Proof was actually really bad though.
Jackie Brown is second worse, for real. |
Recspecs
06.07.12 | NO ITS BECAUSE I HAVE A RAGING BONER FOR ANYTHING TARANTINO MAKES
And yeah that might have something to do with it. |
andcas
06.07.12 | kill bill one was awesome. two was kinda boring with a big anti-climax. |
Recspecs
06.07.12 | Both parts of Kill Bill were great. |
Xenophanes
06.07.12 | Really, they are separate volumes so they should be considered one complete movie. The second part was talkier and more story driven so a lot of people didn't like it, but I felt like it added a lot due to those reasons. |
Recspecs
06.07.12 | but I felt like it added a lot due to those reasons. [2] |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | "Looks like Tarantinos usually blend of great humor, good drama, and loveable juvenile violence. Looks like it will have some solid performances. All in all if its as good as Inglorious Basterds I will be very pleased."
Yeah, this.
Also, what is it with the "two tarantino bandwagons" ? |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | "Jackie Brown is second worse, for real."
Now I hates to be that nigger but..... I has to be that nigger |
andcas
06.07.12 | where else are you gonna see samuel l. jackson murder chris tucker? |
BigBlob
06.07.12 | Tarantino has been living off his name for years. Inglorious Basterds was an awful film, and this will be no different. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | ^^^^^ |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | There goes the bandwagon.. |
Xenophanes
06.07.12 | The thing that I don't like about 2000's Tarantino, however, is his lack of real originality. Since his first two films everything he does is a partial remake/ridiculous homage. Pulp Fiction was brilliant because there was only one film like it.
I like most of his stuff but I don't think he'll ever surpass those first two. |
andcas
06.07.12 | I don't think tarantino has lost it. it's just his old movies were such masterpieces that everything else appears to pale in
comparison. |
Xenophanes
06.07.12 | Goddamit andcas I just said that |
andcas
06.07.12 | I didn't see your comment till I posted mine. hey I'm inside your head! |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | I get that he tends to "re-do" himself and that it might annoy quite some people but I don't think it renders his movies bad. Inglorious Basterds had some really nice historical references. |
BigBlob
06.07.12 | Kill Bill 1 was a solid action film- nothing more. kill Bill 2 was a failed attempt at a modern western. Inglorious was a self-indulgent mess. |
andcas
06.07.12 | "nice historical references" heavy emphasis. |
Tyrael
06.07.12 | A guy I knew once edited Pulp Fiction so that the story would unfold chronologically
it was really bad |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | Lot o' people will disagree with you there, Blob. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | Inglorious Basterds was amazing. |
BigBlob
06.07.12 | Its the glory of cinema y'all. One mans rubbish is another mans treasure. |
andcas
06.07.12 | I can't imagine this being bad given the actors who are in the movie. |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | True, and I like historical cracks at failed "empires" like the 3rd. Reich. History itself about it can already be pretty amusing. |
andcas
06.07.12 | the biggest success in making a mockery of hitler was in the producers. |
Xenophanes
06.07.12 | My French TA knew the blonde french chick in IB. Said that she's une chat (cunt) in real life. |
BigBlob
06.07.12 | The Great Dictator was an amazing parody of Hitler too. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | Django Unchained can't be bad. Leo looks like he gives a great performance. Plus it has Christoph Waltz, Walton Goggins and Samuel L. Jackson. |
andcas
06.07.12 | I can't remember the last time leo made a bad film besides the beach. |
BigBlob
06.07.12 | Sam L Jackson career has taken a bit of a dip of late. He's been in a lot of terrible films last few years. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | And there's a theory that all Tarantino's movies are set in the same Universe. So, in the Tarantino film universe, Hitler actually did die in a cinema explosion rather than by himself in a bunker and The Bear Jew is the grandfather of a character from another Tarantino movie and a bunch of other stuff. Kill Bill is Fox Force Five from Pulp Fiction etc, etc. |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | Oh, I'm not even talking about Hitler but making cracks at the mindset, the organizational structure, the hierarchy and the chaos they had back then.
In reality there are for example journal entries of people with jews in their family being euphoric about Hitler's promotion. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | The Beach was great, what are you on about? Bad Leo film: Romeo and Juliet. That was god awful.
And Samuel has taken a tip, but he's still a great actor. |
andcas
06.07.12 | samuel l. jackson has always made bad films from time to time. tends to happen when you literally say no to every
movie script presented. |
BigBlob
06.07.12 | But Before Sam L was always appreaing in big films. Now he shows up in all sorts of straight to DVD shite. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | Even the best actors sometimes tend to choose some poor films. I mean, Edward Norton (my favourite actor of all time) has acted in some pretty poor movies (despite always giving a stellar performance). |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | True, I don't know any actor I like without at least one movie I didn't like or thought was decent at best. |
BigBlob
06.07.12 | John Cazale is one such actor. Check out the only films he ever acted in...
The Deerhunter
Dog Day Afternoon
The Godfather Part 2
The Conversation
The Godfather
|
andcas
06.07.12 | @michael, besides keeping the faith what movie has norton ever done that would qualify as poor. @wolf, ryan gosling has
never made a film I saw that dissappointed me and I don't think he will in the near future. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | Death to Smoochy wasn't very good, despite the great cast.
Stone was great in a lot of ways, but I feel the movie fell flat.
Kingdom of Heaven sucked, even though he only played a minor role.
|
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | Another incredible actor who seems to do no wrong is Michael Fassbender. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | I can't wait for Lawless. Written by Nick Cave and Ryan Gosling will be acting in it. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | Director's cut of Kingdom Of Heaven is actually really good. Shame that Orlando Bloom was in it though |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | Well, I wouldn't say disappointing but as I said "decent" at best. I'm pretty picky in that way.
Haven't seen all movies starring Fassbender tbh. I remember liking Centurion more than some critics though. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | I saw a Dangerous Method not long ago. Fassbender, Mortensen and Keira Knightly. Fuck, I hate Keira Knightly. Every second of that movie I was trying to figure out how I could make it possible to punch her right in her over-acting face. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | On the upside of that movie visit, the fire alarm went off in the cinema halfway through and didn't stop for twenty minutes (the movie paused) and after the film I got a ticket to see any movie for free. |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | Wasn't "A Dangerous Method" the Freud movie? |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | That it surely was. Basically a movie about psychological kinky sex. And I was in a cinema with, I shit you not, nothing but old people. Nobody under sixty except me and a couple of my mates. It was awkward as shit watching Fassbender spank Knightly whilst sitting next to a sweet old lady. |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | That movie made me laugh pretty hard. Then again, Freud in general makes me laugh pretty hard. I mean the dude was a pioneer but c'mon, some of his stuff is just plain ridiculous. (especially considering his ironic background) |
andcas
06.07.12 | one of my psychology classes covered him. half genius and full of shit. |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | Basically, yes. |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | I never saw A Dangerous Method but i thought it looked interesting
Also Death Proof rules even though it's Tarantino's weakest |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | I had to do an art project on his Id/Ego/Superego theory. |
andcas
06.07.12 | death proof is a mess and the most character inconsistent of his work. |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | A Dangerous Method was okay at best, I reckon. |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | Yeah, it was bit too much "full of shit" Freud imo. (I actually find it pretty hilarious that even today people exist that seriously believe the "full of shit" part) |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "death proof is a mess and the most character inconsistent of his work."
yeah probably just have mad boners for Kurt Russel and Tarantino. Planet Terror was better though |
MichaelSnoxall
06.07.12 | You mean we don't want to fuck our mothers? |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | what is shit but a phallic symbol? |
Camstr
06.07.12 | Shit that does look awesome love that Leo's in it too that's fucking unexpectedly cool. |
andcas
06.07.12 | leo is scorsese's bitch. depp is burton's bitch. who is tarantino's? |
deathofasalesman
06.07.12 | Tim Roth, Uma Thurman, and Samuel L. Jackson. His new bitch is Christopher Waltz. |
Wolfhorde
06.07.12 | "You mean we don't want to fuck our mothers?"
I know I don't. Do you? |
Camstr
06.07.12 | You're wrong andcas, leo is MY bitch! Because he's always awesome in movies - by request from yours truly of course. |
andcas
06.07.12 | lol fair enough. |
bloc
06.07.12 | Kinda thought this was going to be about the gypsy jazz player...got all excited too... |
EyesWideShut
06.07.12 | "A Dangerous Method was okay at best, I reckon."
I heard that was real boring and Cronenberg's latest Cosmoplotation isnt that good either.
Killing Them Softly with Brad Pitt looks really good though... |
andcas
06.07.12 | I love brad pitt as an actor but the dude is fucking doormat in real life. |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "I heard that was real boring and Cronenberg's latest Cosmoplotation isnt that good either."
lol you mean Cosmopolis? i wanna read the book first cause Don DeLillo is a hella good writer |
Trebor17
06.07.12 | Looks good
He hasn't made a movie I really loved since Jackie Brown though |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | i think you'll all appreciate Inglorious Basterds more if you think of it in the Tarantino universe and it's on later (chronologically) movies. this article about it is very interesting:
http://collider.com/inglourious-basterds-connection-quentin-tarantino/170038/
i mean it's all a bit of a stretch but that's the beauty of fiction |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | No it was still a shit movie, that contained one great scene and one great actor |
andcas
06.07.12 | what was the greatest scene and actor in the movie dev? waltz? |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | Yeah, and the opening scene where he visits the milk farmer and his 3 daughters |
andcas
06.07.12 | I figured that's what you were talking about and I slightly agree. |
climactic
06.07.12 | what exactly didnt you guys like about inglorious? besides the scenes between the girl and the black guy it was so good |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | Opening scene of IB was awesome, and so was every time Waltz was on screen but I fucking loved that movie.
Kill Bill fucking blew ass though and I absolutely love the kind of movies it was trying to pay homage to.
"Kill Bill 1 was a solid action film- nothing more." - this is just such an incorrect way to describe it. It tried to be soooo much more than that and the result was just laughably bad. The fighting scenes are hard to watch. They change angles almost every single time someone swings a sword or anything like it - which is such a clear indicator that no one involved is capable of performing those kind of stunts and it just gives them such a choppy artificial feel. If you're trying to recreate what old MA films did you better at least get the MA part halfway right.
Not to mention the dialogue takes 10 steps too far beyond Tarantino's usual unique and quotable style and just becomes a giant cliche. Then you get the white knights that claim "that's how it was supposed to be". Well was it supposed to be shitty? Because it was terrible. Fuck I hate Kill Bill. |
andcas
06.07.12 | "besides the scenes between the girl and the black guy it was so good" racist. |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | Well, when the "white knights" you refer to say that, it's because he did intend for the movies to be that way. It was never supposed to be a by-the-book martial arts movie. The movies are a homage to those movies, nothing else. They are trained assassins, and not all of them are strictly dedicated to martial arts, or use of the Samurai sword. And the dialogue was as over-the-top at times as it always is. |
andcas
06.07.12 | how could you hate on the anime scene? |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | i take it none of your read the article i posted
From Dusk Till Dawn and Kill Bill are supposed to be movies within the Tarantino universe, which is already saturated in violence. In fact, Mia Wallace is allegedly playing the bride. These are movies that Jules and Vincent and Butch and Mr. Orange would go see. |
andcas
06.07.12 | from dusk till dawn is a classic. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | Who cares if they're in the "same universe"? It can't save something from being shit |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | okay yeah fuck context. Whatever gives you an edgier opinion, just go with that |
andcas
06.07.12 | oh snap, crackle, and pop |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | "i take it none of your read the article i posted
From Dusk Till Dawn and Kill Bill are supposed to be movies within the Tarantino universe, which is already saturated in violence. In fact, Mia Wallace is allegedly playing the bride. These are movies that Jules and Vincent and Butch and Mr. Orange would go see. "
See, you know. If you didn't realize Tarantino doesn't do things to the tee, or follow the nomenclature of the feilds he writes in by the end of Inglorious Basters, you should probably give up. Trying to deconstuct his movies in those regards is pointless. |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | Dude it's a fucking fan theory no one gives a shit, it doesn't make the movies any better. |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | It's a fan theory? If you've ever heard him talk about his movies once, you'd know it's actually from his own mouth. I'm sorry you didn't like them by they way. |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "Dude it's a fucking fan theory no one gives a shit, it doesn't make the movies any better."
actually Tarantino has gone on record saying that FDTD and Kill Bill are movies within his universe |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | "Well, when the "white knights" you refer to say that, it's because he did intend for the movies to be that way."
Okay sure, but my point is it doesn't matter whether he intended them to be that way or not, the end result is still just hard to watch. And it's not about whether or not the characters are trained assassins, I'm talking about the technical skills of the people involved in the movie - the characters are clearly supposed to be skilled in martial arts. I realize it's not a by the books MA movie - but that doesn't excuse how sloppy the MA aspects were. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | "okay yeah fuck context. Whatever gives you an edgier opinion, just go with that"
Fanboy much? Saying that so-and-so is a relative of this person and that person is playing a character that relates to a previous character they played is all inconsequential, the only thing that matters is the story and how it is told. All the rest is just bonus shit for fans to obsess over if they choose too, it can't make something that's inherently bad good. In fact it actually makes it worse because you realise that a lot of thought went into it. |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | "actually Tarantino has gone on record saying that FDTD and Kill Bill are movies within his universe"
Source? When I heard this idea pitched to me previously it was definitely as a fan theory and the article seems to back that as well (though I admittedly only skimmed it because I've heard that stuff before). |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | There ARE martial artists in the movies though. |
andcas
06.07.12 | I heard that inception starts off where titanic ended. |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | "There ARE martial artists in the movies though."
True, the one dude is even in some old martial arts classics and the fight choreographer is talented as shit, but the end result is completely unimpressive and actually goes against a lot of what they are about (specifically long shots of fight scenes that have to actually be performed accurately). The fact that there were some talented people involved made me really WANT to like the movie - but I just think it's bad. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | I just don't see how the fact that Uma Thurman's character in Kill Bill is essentially the same character that Mia played in the pilot for Fox Force Five can somehow make Kill Bill a better movie. It's just something interesting |
Trebor17
06.07.12 | yeah who gives a shit |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | That's fine man. I can admit some of the execution in Kill Bill was somewhat sloppy, but in the end, I still found them to be fun and entertaining movies, which is pretty much all Tarantino ever intends to do. |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "Fanboy much? Saying that so-and-so is a relative of this person and that person is playing a character that relates to a previous character they played is all inconsequential, the only thing that matters is the story and how it is told. All the rest is just bonus shit for fans to obsess over if they choose too, it can't make something that's inherently bad good. In fact it actually makes it worse because you realise that a lot of thought went into it."
But that's where you're wrong, it's an important part of the Tarantino universe. It's not something for "fans to obsess over if they choose to". It plays into the rest of his movies, giving them a richer context.
But let's pretend that it's totally separate from everything he's ever made. You have yet to explain why post-2000 Tarantino is so horrible, IB specifically. If you think it's just too self-indulgent, fair enough, I can see where you're coming from. I personally just love his style and I think that he's one of the most distinctive film makers ever.
"Source? When I heard this idea pitched to me previously it was definitely as a fan theory and the article seems to back that as well (though I admittedly only skimmed it because I've heard that stuff before)."
I mean the article says that he's gone on record. I'm sure if I dug deep enough I can find some interview or something but I'm giving the article the benefit of the doubt. |
andcas
06.07.12 | just enjoy the movies man. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | "But that's where you're wrong, it's an important part of the Tarantino universe. "
How? How does this knowledge enrich the movies, like at all?
"It's not something for "fans to obsess over if they choose to". It plays into the rest of his movies, giving them a richer context."
It it tantamount to enjoying his movies? No. It's just extraneous information for those who want to read into it
"But let's pretend that it's totally separate from everything he's ever made. You have yet to explain why post-2000 Tarantino is so horrible, IB specifically. If you think it's just too self-indulgent, fair enough, I can see where you're coming from. I personally just love his style and I think that he's one of the most distinctive film makers ever."
I've explained elsewhere why IB is such a terrible movie, but......
The plot is terrible, it was marketed as his version of "The Magnificent Seven" and all those other mercenary war films, and yet despite the film being named after them the basterds hardly feature in the film at all. Brad Pitt is a joke in the film (the scene where he attempts to speak Italian at the movie premiere is fucking terrible, and just makes me think of the "mi scuzi" guy from EuroTrip), and the whole film just feels like a bunch of scenes haphazardly tacked together. Oh and then there's the whole alternate universe aspect of it, that doesn't play any kind of pivotal point in the film until Tarantino decided he wants to kill Hitler and proceeds to show us his corpse being filled with bullets for a good 10 seconds, because that was needed
It's a pointless film made by a director who has finally bought into his own hype |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | *is it tantamount |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | "Brad Pitt is a joke in the film (the scene where he attempts to speak Italian at the movie premiere is fucking terrible, and just makes me think of the "mi scuzi" guy from EuroTrip)"
As much as I love IB, this is too fucking true, Pitt plays such a pitiful role in that film.
That being said I fucking love the "mi scuzi" guy lol. |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | "Oh and then there's the whole alternate universe aspect of it, that doesn't play any kind of pivotal point in the film until Tarantino decided he wants to kill Hitler and proceeds to show us his corpse being filled with bullets for a good 10 seconds, because that was needed"
Why, where else did the movie need to be so otherworldly for it to be a concretized concept that it isn't based on exact history? |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | Watched EuroTrip again the other day, still awesome |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | "Why, where else did the movie need to be so otherworldly for it to be a concretized concept that it isn't based on exact history?"
Because it comes from out of nowhere. The only part it plays is so Tarantino could write himself out of the corner he ended up in |
Ricspics
06.07.12 | yo his movies suck it is boring and have way too much talking fuck that shit you want to see a good movie watch 12 rounds or the expendables
|
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "How? How does this knowledge enrich the movies, like at all?"
It gives a reason for certain things in his post-WWII American culture. It adds depth. It's like, yeah, you can read a Spider Man comic, but if you aren't aware of the whole Marvel multiverse then you won't appreciate it nearly as much. It just gives a different perspective when you view it as one thing within a bigger picture, especially when that one thing informs and explains other works in the universe.
"Brad Pitt is a joke in the film (the scene where he attempts to speak Italian at the movie premiere is fucking terrible, and just makes me think of the "mi scuzi" guy from EuroTrip)"
Uhh no. It was dumb in EuroTrip because it had no reason to be there. It was just laughing at the fact that this guy speaks differently. In IB, it plays into perfectly logical fish-out-of-water humor, and it's something that's very characteristic of Aldo, strengthening this character. Two totally different things |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | "Because it comes from out of nowhere. The only part it plays is so Tarantino could write himself out of the corner he ended up in"
I dont know, to discredit Tarantino as a skilled plot writer, wheater you like his movies or not, is kind of unwarrented. |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | "I mean the article says that he's gone on record. I'm sure if I dug deep enough I can find some interview or something but I'm giving the article the benefit of the doubt."
Hmm, well I'm not. This is how misinformation gets spread. It's a random article quoting a random guy who takes three words out of context from tarantino "on record" and tries to fit them into his theory. The article even says "It’s a kind of mind-blowing [i]theory[/i]" (emphasis added).
By the way, the poster that's quoted in that article says later in his reddit post (though it isn't quoted there), "Yes, I initially saw this on Cracked and then extrapolated on it. Since it was a fan theory and it blew my mind, I posted it here."
There's no Tarantino quotes that back any of it up as far as I can tell, maybe the fact that they are in the same universe (though I still haven't seen a source for it).
To be fair, the reddit poster also backs up the claim a bit: "It's well known that all of Tarantino's films take place in the same universe - this is established by the fact that Mr. Blonde and Vince Vega are brothers, everybody smokes Red Apple cigarettes, Mr. White worked with Alabama from True Romance, etc."
I'll go ahead and assume that "etc." in this case means "I can't think of anything else" as it usually does. Seems more like small connections that QT threw in there for the fans than some sort of proof that [i]all[/i] of his movies are in the same universe, which is just an assumption based off of that, and all connections described after are just theories and nothing more.
Look, if you wanna get into the theory and analyze it that's fine, but I do think it adds little to nothing especially since it can't seem to be proved that it's any more than an idea someone came up with based off of a few small signs. |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | Holy shit if you can't understand that all of his movies are in the same universe then I suggest
taking off your blindfold when you watch Django Unchained. The article even lists more than those
three you just quoted |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | always forget tags don't work in lists, my B, you get the point though.
"Watched EuroTrip again the other day, still awesome"
Haha dude I still think so too. Even though it's a teen comedy and should probably suck I still like it a lot. Plus michelle trachtenberg is so fucking hot in it.
"It was dumb in EuroTrip because it had no reason to be there. It was just laughing at the fact that this guy speaks differently."
The difference is that Eurotrip was intentionally that way. It's just a silly comedy about people on a crazy trip to europe and the shit they encounter on their way. I still think the IB scene is out of place and overdone, but TBH I'm more disturbed about any insults directed at the mi scuzi guy! |
Ricspics
06.07.12 | fuck you all watch real movies |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "The difference is that Eurotrip was intentionally that way. It's just a silly comedy about people on a crazy trip to europe and the shit they encounter on their way. I still think the IB scene is out of place and overdone, but TBH I'm more disturbed about any insults directed at the mi scuzi guy!"
yeah it made sense for EuroTrip just like how it made sense for IB. Both scenes were used completely different ways to fit into the movie they were in. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | "It gives a reason for certain things in his post-WWII American culture. It adds depth. It's like, yeah, you can read a Spider Man comic, but if you aren't aware of the whole Marvel multiverse then you won't appreciate it nearly as much. It just gives a different perspective when you view it as one thing within a bigger picture, especially when that one thing informs and explains other works in the universe."
They're not reasons, they're just excuses - like it's not violent simply for the sake of being violent! It would add depth if it was necessary, or if it was made abundantly clear to everyone that this is all connected beyond me just creating brands for my movies because I hate product placement (red apple cigarettes etc). It's just something extra for people to not buy in too, but to simply examine if they're inclined to such things
"It was just laughing at the fact that this guy speaks differently."
Oh, and this wasn't?
"Two totally different things"
No I'm not comparing them like that, other than to say they're both terribly awkward and strained moments. Perhaps it might have worked in someone else's hands but Pitt plays that scene like the proverbial plank of wood |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | also Michelle Trachtenberg looks like a fuckign 14 year old in that movie |
TMobotron
06.07.12 | "Holy shit if you can't understand that all of his movies are in the same universe then I suggest taking off your blindfold when you watch Django Unchained."
Right, I'd better keep an eye out for all those things you noticed when you watched Django that point to it all being in the same universe.
And the article lists what, one more? The thing about the pilot? Four things. |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | Without the whole "same universe" thing, at the end of the day Tarantino's goal is just to make fun, entertaining films. He doesn't do things by the book, or focus too much on realism, unless he finds it necessary. I remember him saying in the special features of IB that, for his movie, he wanted to take the overall American sympathy out of the war film, and bring the fun factor back into it. He's like a little kid creating his first colouring-outside-the-lines comic book. |
andcas
06.07.12 | Hey!!!!!!
Scotty doesn't know,
That Fionna and me,
Do it in my van every Sunday.
She tells him shes in church,
But she doesn't go,
Still she's on her knees, and...
Scotty doesn't know, oh.
Scotty doesn't know-oh.
So don't tell Scotty!
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know.
SO DON'T TELL SCOTTY!
Fionna says shes out shopping,
But she's under me and I'm not stopping.
Cuz Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know.
So don't tell Scotty.
Scotty doesn't knoooooow....
DON'T TELL SCOTTY!
I can't believe he's so trusting,
While I'm right behind you thrusting.
Fionna's got him on the phone,
and she's trying not to moan.
It's a three way call,
and he knows nothing.
NOTHING!!!
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know,
Don't tell Scotty.
Cuz Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't knoooooow....
SO DON'T TELL SCOTTY!
What a show, everyone will go.
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't knoooooow....
The, parking lot, why not?
It's so cool when you're on top.
His full on, your stuck.
Life is so hard, cuz...
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know.
I did her on his birthday.
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know,
Scotty doesn't know,
Don't tell Scotty.
Scotty doesn't knoooooow.... |
Cells
06.07.12 | fuck is going on itt |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "They're not reasons, they're just excuses - like it's not violent simply for the sake of being violent! It would add depth if it was necessary, or if it was made abundantly clear to everyone that this is all connected beyond me just creating brands for my movies because I hate product placement (red apple cigarettes etc). It's just something extra for people to not buy in too, but to simply examine if they're inclined to such things"
You're acting like it's a huge stretch that Donny Donowitz is Lee Donowitz' father and that America's violent history would influence the media and Lee Donowitz' films.
"Oh, and this wasn't?"
Did you read what I said? Cause I carefully explained how it wasn't and you didn't refute me other than just reiterating that it's terribly awkward and strained.
"No I'm not comparing them like that, other than to say they're both terribly awkward and strained moments. Perhaps it might have worked in someone else's hands but Pitt plays that scene like the proverbial plank of wood"
It was a perfectly logical flow in the plot where a perfectly non-superfluous, humorous event happened. I don't see how it's awkward. |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | That little kid prancing around like Hitler in the background during that one scene is so goood. |
andcas
06.07.12 | er allein, wem gehört der jugend, gewinnt die zukunft. sieg heil!
|
TMobotron
06.07.12 | "also Michelle Trachtenberg looks like a fuckign 14 year old in that movie"
Like I said, fucking hot. |
Ricspics
06.07.12 | fuckin cinema losers lolhahaha |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | "Did you read what I said? Cause I carefully explained how it wasn't and you didn't refute me other than just reiterating that it's terribly awkward and strained."
"It was a perfectly logical flow in the plot where a perfectly non-superfluous, humorous event happened."
I said this was making fun of a language barrier and with that second quote you just agreed with me, so thanks!
No one is arguing that all his movies aren't connected IN SOME WAY. But at the end of the day, and even armed with this knowledge, it doesn't change the QUALITY OF HIS (later) FILMS. It doesn't make them any better, just as how it doesn't make them any worse. Like, are you unable to grasp this concept or are you so desperate to believe that they're all magnificent films that you have to look for reasons beyond the film itself?? |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | Dude, you madeout with your Sisssssster. |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "And the article lists what, one more? The thing about the pilot? Four things."
1. Donny Donowitz is Lee Donowitz'
2. Explanation of excessive violence in post-WWII America
3. Explanation of the importance of media in post-WWII America
4. Vin and Vic Vega
5. Red Apple Cigarettes
6. Fox Force 5 being the original idea for Kill Bill
7. Mia Wallace playing the bride
i mean these are just off the top of my head i'm sure if i watched them all again i can pick out a few more |
andcas
06.07.12 | so where does death proof tie in to all of this. huh? huh? HUH? |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "I said this was making fun of a language barrier and with that second quote you just agreed with me, so thanks!"
Lol what? I was explaining how that scene in IB wasn't out of place and shouldn't be compared to the scene in EuroTrip. I was doing the exact opposite of agreeing with you.
"No one is arguing that all his movies aren't connected IN SOME WAY. But at the end of the day, and even armed with this knowledge, it doesn't change the QUALITY OF HIS (later) FILMS. It doesn't make them any better, just as how it doesn't make them any worse. Like, are you unable to grasp this concept or are you so desperate to believe that they're all magnificent films that you have to look for reasons beyond the film itself??"
Well I guess this is just where we disagree. I think it does add richness and depth to the other movies, and even taken separately, they're still a ton of fun. |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.07.12 | Touche andcas, you little prick :P Still a fun movie. |
Deviant.
06.07.12 | "I was explaining how that scene in IB wasn't out of place and shouldn't be compared to the scene in EuroTrip."
And I said I was only comparing them because they were moments that went for a humorous take on language barriers. learn2fuckingread |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "so where does death proof tie in to all of this. huh? huh? HUH?"
Earl McGraw. It's not much but you can tell Death Proof was just a little something that Tarantino squeezed out for funsies with his pal Robert Rodriguez |
auberginedreams
06.07.12 | hell hath no fury like a deviant scorned. |
WeepingBanana
06.07.12 | "And I said I was only comparing them because they were moments that went for a humorous take on language barriers. learn2fuckingread"
Okay yeah but nowhere in what I said was I agreeing with you |
GuanoBumbershoot
06.08.12 | They were homages to Grindhouse movies, thus they were supposed to be kinda shitty in some ways. |
WeepingBanana
06.08.12 | please respond |
andcas
06.08.12 | if you wanna be my lover you gotta get with my friends. |
TMobotron
06.08.12 | "2. Explanation of excessive violence in post-WWII America
3. Explanation of the importance of media in post-WWII America"
These aren't evidence found in his films they're just small facts that could fit into the theory - I get how the other things work and I'm not really trying to say they aren't true. Aren't 6 and 7 basically the same thing though? Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I think it's a fun little thing for QT to throw in but I don't think it should be looked at too closely - it isn't supposed to be anything more than a cool connection to notice IMO.
But whatevs, I'm not trying to get into some big debate about this shit because you like what you like, though I do think a lot of the reason behind Kill Bill's high regard is simply because QT is behind it. The whole same universe thing is kind of irrelevant, which is also why this shouldn't be an argument, because (I think dev touched on this) it's a connection that the fans are going to appreciate - it isn't going to convert people who already didn't like it. It's always just gonna come down to how you view it. I still think Kill Bill 1 and 2 suck nuts, but it's not like we're about to change each others opinions here.
But I love QT usually, just found the KB series to be really bad. And that's partly why it's so frustrating to argue over it - the other side of the argument is so FULL of QT fanboys who will do anything to defend anything he's put his hands on. It's hard to just have a legitimate discussion about why his later work hasn't been up to par because the number of people who are completely unwilling to even listen to that viewpoint is insane. I think Django looks sick as hell though and that cast should be killer. We'll have to see but I think this will be his best since Pulp Fiction just based off what I know. |
TMobotron
06.08.12 | Oh and I forgot to mention when you posted the scotty doesn't know lyrics andcas that I think that's one of the funniest cameos ever. Great song too TBH. Much better than anything Sputnik's talking about atm. |
WeepingBanana
06.08.12 | yeah i mean Kill Bill and IB aren't nearly as good as Res Dogs and Pulp Fiction. I guess I'm just into the whole idea of a multiverse way more than I should be and so it enhances the movies for me. It's fine if that ain't your trip. |
andcas
06.08.12 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0 |
WeepingBanana
06.08.12 | more topical humor from andcas |
TMobotron
06.08.12 | TBH I liked IB better than Reservoir Dogs. I've always thought pulp fiction was his masterpiece and found Res to be a bit overrated. It relies on dialogue too much IMO which I realize is kind of QT's whole thing (and that some people will think I'm crazy for sayin that), but I can really appreciate his dialogue a lot more when it fits into a larger more dynamic story the way it does on IB and Pulp. I don't wanna take anything away from Dogs because i get why it's so loved but I think he absolutely nailed his style on Pulp and I was more entertained by Basterds. |
andcas
06.08.12 | "TBH I liked IB better than Reservoir Dogs" FUCKING NO! NO! NO! |
TMobotron
06.08.12 | Sorry I should have pretended otherwise. |
WeepingBanana
06.08.12 | Res Dogs is probably my favorite movie of all time |
Deviant.
06.08.12 | "Okay yeah but nowhere in what I said was I agreeing with you"
Well when you said that in no way should they be compared because the scene in IB was just done for humorous effect was essentially why I compared them, because they were both done for HUMOROUS EFFECT. So when I said thanks for agreeing with me I was being sarcastic, even though you inadvertently proved me right |
WeepingBanana
06.08.12 | "Well when you said that in no way should they be compared because the scene in IB was just done for humorous effect was essentially why I compared them, because they were both done for HUMOROUS EFFECT. So when I said thanks for agreeing with me I was being sarcastic, even though you inadvertently proved me right"
Yeah but they're just totally different scenes with totally different purposes. And you have yet to refute my justification of the inclusion of that scene altogether. |
Deviant.
06.08.12 | It's a shit scene that doesn't work, that's more than enough justification
|
WeepingBanana
06.08.12 | Tell me how it doesn't work.
It works logically with the plot, it adds to Aldo's character and mannerisms and it's consistent with the tone of the movie.
It's like you're trying to not like it. |
Deviant.
06.08.12 | I'm not saying it doesn't work within the plot, he doesn't speak fluent Italian. It doesn't strengthen his character nor does it adhere to the tone of the film. It's an oddly flat moment that plays it for laughs and it sticks out because it's so jarring
"It's like you're trying to not like it."
What the fuck does this even mean? i don't like it, I'm not trying to hate it. I just think it is a bad scene that doesn't work. Cool your raging hardon for Tarantino and stop worrying about my feelings regarding ONE FUCKING SCENE |
WeepingBanana
06.08.12 | Well it does strengthen the character... Aldo is a unreliable, semi-Byronic protagonist and this is something that he would do. And I think it adheres to the lightheartedness in the face of serious danger type tone that the movie has going on.
but whatever, different strokes for different folks |
andcas
06.08.12 | meanwhile in america: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9jM0x9Mok |
