Emim: Republican Vs. Democrat Vs. ?

Emim 03.02.10	List is in no order.
bloc 03.02.10	I used to enjoy 10, but that died away very quickly.
WhiteWallStargazers 03.02.10	you get my love for 2, 6, and 8
Emim 03.02.10	Your love keeps me going, whitewall. @bloc: Yeah, I can definitely see that.
PirateSquid 03.02.10	Socialism FTW Don't like 7
Emim 03.02.10	Socialism is meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh 7 is mostly great, but Cries of the Past is bettter.
PirateSquid 03.02.10	You're meh :I I don't like Dallas
Brokenjewel 03.02.10	I haven't heard Deadguy in a long time. Think I need to rectify that. 3 and 4 all the way.
Emim 03.02.10	Nah uh! You're meh! I do like Dallas.
Phrike 03.02.10	Listened to 8 recently. Not bad, the breakdowns are the shit. For 9 I always play only the title track, album is quite average
This Life is Genocide 03.02.10	Independent FTW 2, FuCK yA!
jesusjuice1179 03.02.10	hahahahaha Dallas as a great vocalist his screams were painfully generic and his growls were meh that being said the album was good minus his screams and spencer is way better than dallas every was
Emim 03.02.10	Dallas has brutal screams and a much better range than Spencer. I like both however. @teddy: I'm digging Erase at the moment. And yes, Independent is where it's at.
jesusjuice1179 03.02.10	umm...are you high? spencer's range is far superior than dallas'
PirateSquid 03.02.10	Spencer is a lot better than Dallas imo, but whatever =o Marx is muh MAN
eternium 03.02.10	Spencer >>>>>> Dallas Also, independent liberal-close-to-democratic-socialist ftw.
Emim 03.02.10	Nope, Spencer's lows don't even come close, but his highs kinda do. He is a more consistent vocalist, but imo Dallas > Spencer They both fit their respective sounds the best. Dallas is more Black influenced, and Spencer is more Metalcore.
TRMshadow 03.02.10	LIBERTARIAN PARTY!!!!
Emim 03.02.10	Listen to Cries of the Past
Emim 03.02.10	Nope, I asked him. He said he meant to sound Black influenced. Plus, he's in Maylene too, which is +7 cool points.
Zion 03.02.10	What where are my fellow repubs REPRESENT! Also, I haven't really listened to anything you just posted. I'm afraid of metalcore.
This Life is Genocide 03.02.10	just imagine Dallas' Maylene screams in Lost in the Sound of Separation hahaha
eternium 03.02.10	Zion, listen to 3. It's the best of all of these.
This Life is Genocide 03.02.10	well arent you enlightened someguest?
Xenophanes 03.02.10	Conservatism=Fail
PirateSquid 03.02.10	"just imagine Dallas' Maylene screams in Lost in the Sound of Separation hahaha" Nah, the majority of Lost in the Sound would be about how evil he thinks abortion and gay marriage is, you silly goose "you're a prime citizen aren't you" Indeed. Indeed I am
Emim 03.02.10	Nah, I would say 2 is the best here. And all the parties are terrible, damn money-grabbers is all they are.
theacademy 03.02.10	republicrat democran one party system media goes in a frenzy, stripped of their credentials presidential candidates cant debaate over this insrtumental let em freestyle winner take all when the musics dead ill have ted nugents head hangin on my wall
jesusjuice1179 03.02.10	please, PLEASE! no debates, i dealt with that shit last night and i've learned my lesson completely
bloc 03.02.10	It's weird, but 2 really wasn't my thing at all. It seemed almost too progressive for me.
eternium 03.02.10	At this point, elections are all about the lesser evil. It's probably always been this way. Democrats = lesser evil.
PirateSquid 03.02.10	Exactly Jesusjuice, so instead of being like, "Well I could just leave them be and kind of ignore that thread." You were smart and were like, "ZOMG I DONT LIEK DIS!!!! BALLEEEEET!" Smart child. Libertarians are lulzy
jesusjuice1179 03.02.10	well since i can't really determine whether or not you were being sarcastic or not considering we're on the internet im gonna say thanks Pirate!
eternium 03.02.10	Equilibrium cannot be truly accomplished, but it can be attempted. I'd rather have my government trying to make people equal than just giving up because it can't be completely reached. Part of the way is better than nothing at all.
Emim 03.02.10	"Nah, the majority of Lost in the Sound would be about how evil he thinks abortion and gay marriage is, you silly goose" And thus the truth is revealed. "At this point, elections are all about the lesser evil. It's probably always been this way. Democrats = lesser evil." Tell that to the deficit.
eternium 03.02.10	Emim obviously isn't aware that the biggest spending presidents have been Reagan and Bush. Those two racked up the debt more than anyone else. Clinton put us on the right path.. Obama is only spending like crazy because of the recession, which isn't his fault.
Emim 03.02.10	I'm just saying the genius in office took a bicycle pump to the deficit. I really must try this idea some time, spending to get out of debt. It's brilliant! Republicans hold up the bank, Democrats just take out another loan.
Emim 03.02.10	"You want to know a good way to end a lot of bullshit spending instantly? Pull out of the UN." Yes! Good God, the amount of money we give away to other countries is ridiculous.
eternium 03.02.10	You want to know a good way to end the majority of bullshit spending instantly? Pull out of Iraq (completely), pull out of Germany and every other nation that we have military in for some dumb reason, and cut off military spending by at least a third. I agree with staying in Afghanistan for now and I think we should stay in Japan and South Korea just in case Kim Jong has a bad day.
redskyformiles 03.02.10	the only thing i'm gonna post in this thread is that over 80 percent of the federal budget is taken up by military/social security/medicare. make of that what you will.
Emim 03.02.10	Military is essential, budget cuts in that area are retarded. The rest of the systems are so butt-fucked they don't know which way is up.
eternium 03.02.10	Did you know that less than one percent of the budget is spend on foreign aid? We also spend farrrr more than any other country on military. It's ridiculous. That's where things need to be cut.
theacademy 03.02.10	Emim 03.02.10 List is in no order. bloc 03.02.10 I used to enjoy 10, but that died away very quickly. WhiteWallStargazers 03.02.10 you get my love for 2, 6, and 8 Emim 03.02.10 Your love keeps me going, whitewall. @bloc: Yeah, I can definitely see that. PirateSquid 03.02.10 Socialism FTW Don't like 7 Emim 03.02.10 Socialism is meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh 7 is mostly great, but Cries of the Past is bettter.
redskyformiles 03.02.10	holy shit i agree with a someguest political post. this day just got interesting.
Emim 03.02.10	Military presence should be reduced globally, I agree. We need to shore up the borders, finish this fucking war and be done with it.
theacademy 03.02.10	what does 'shore up the borders' entail?
jesusjuice1179 03.02.10	does anyone know if Fallout New Vegas is dlc or its own game?
eternium 03.02.10	I don't understand why our military spending is so gigantic anyway. Anyone know? We definitely don't need anymore guns or to be developing anymore bombs, planes, or other technology. We already have enough nukes to destroy the world four times over.
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Emim 03.02.10	Fallout Vegas is its own game. "We already have enough nukes to destroy the world four times over." Five times is always better. "what does 'shore up the borders' entail?" FINISHING THE FUCKING FENCE. That and letting the Border Patrol, you know, actually patrol the border.
eternium 03.02.10	But also make it easier for people to immigrate into the country. ^ I agree with the fence, if that happens. Also they should have to learn English within a year or so. That's my immigration policy.
Emim 03.02.10	"I agree with the fence, if that happens. Also they should have to learn English within a year or so. That's my immigration policy." Yes, completely agree. I had someone tell me that the First Amendment protects peoples' right not to speak English. And also that since we do not have a national language, that they should speak whatever they want and we should cater to them by printing everything in multiple languages.
Xenophanes 03.02.10	Abortion > Gay Marriage > Bible
theacademy 03.02.10	no offense but youre both fucking stupid.
Emim 03.02.10	No offense but you're fucking stupid. Please provide references.
eternium 03.02.10	Printing in multiple languages just wastes paper, ink, and money. English is our de facto official language, though it would have to be made de jure for them to be required to learn it. States can add Spanish or another language if they want, I suppose. Road signs, laws, everything is already in English.
theacademy 03.02.10	John 3:16 Hoffman Plastic Compounds, Inc. v. NLRB, 537 U.S. 137 (2002) Kreider, Jan F., ed. Handbook of Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning. Boca Raton: CRC, 1993.
theacademy 03.02.10	you do realize saying 'i want to end military conflict' and 'i want to reinforce borders' are diametrically opposed ends...
Emim 03.02.10	Yeah, I mean English is the standard. It's much more fiscally feasible to make ESL classes mandatory than to write things in multiple languages (doesn't have to just be Spanish).
theacademy 03.02.10	"It's much more fiscally feasible to make ESL classes mandatory than to write things in multiple languages (doesn't have to just be Spanish)." not if you live in southern california or florida.
eternium 03.02.10	You can end military conflicts abroad and strengthen your own borders at the same time, even though I don't agree with militarizing our borders.
eternium 03.02.10	Academy, why I said that certain states should be allowed to add Spanish. Not sure if Emin agrees with me on that. Surprised that we agree on enough already.
theacademy 03.02.10	they're philosophically opposed ends. borders are toxic to peace.
Emim 03.02.10	Borders don't need to be militarized, just enforced. "not if you live in southern california or florida." Yes, even then. I speak Spanish, but most people don't. The citizens should never have to bend to the will of the immigrants.
eternium 03.02.10	I live in a place that is flooded with illegal Mexicans. I am aware that they are being chosen over citizens by employers, because they can get the illegals for work for less than minimum wage. My solution: Make it easier to those people to become citizens, document them, stating that they are in the process, require them to learn English in the process, deport them if they break a law in the process, make it easier for people in Mexico to immigrate, while further securing the border from fence hoppers. That way they will be Americans and be treated as such.
theacademy 03.02.10	E's: this is a worthwhile debate but i gotta run will resume later.
Emim 03.02.10	I'm surprised we agree on this much as well, I agree with that whole last post.
eternium 03.02.10	Badass.
Emim 03.02.10	That's depends on whose ass we are talking about.
eternium 03.02.10	Right. We need more people, not just us.
Emim 03.02.10	To the forums!
PirateSquid 03.02.10	This is only a country trying to open its arms to all countries, but yeah, we should make it the LAW that you HAVE to learn OUR language, man!
Emim 03.02.10	Sarcasm? If not then I agree with you.
eternium 03.02.10	Yes, if you live in our country, then you should have to know how to speak our language. I wouldn't go live in Japan unless I spoke Japanese. It's just common sense. In order to read things such as road signs and communicate with the police, you have to know English. I'm all for a melting pot, but language barriers should be broken. Thus, the minority should learn the majority's language.
eternium 03.02.10	Minorities have to be protected from the majority, such as when blacks had to be protected from the racist majority. However, learning a language doesn't hurt you. Just take classes.
theacademy 03.02.10	its a foolish nativist sentiment. you could move to japan and get by fine without speaking japanese. you know why? because so many people know how to speak english. im just curious what is the net positive that will come from a national language? "make it easier for people in Mexico to immigrate, while further securing the border from fence hoppers." problem is that "securing the border" reinforces this retarded concept of 'american entitlement' - that somehow needy persons from other countries are undeserving of basic human rights, rights that may be obtained through the arduous process of seasonal migration... making it easier for people to immigrate here, documentation, etc. beget social costs that, as long as there is a figurative wall (and trust me, it will forever be FIGURATIVE and ARTIFICIAL and never be "secured"), people will continue to be opposed to allowing. Best way to move towards your plan is to start thinking of our neighbors as no different from american citizens.
Emim 03.03.10	Ok, so just leave your front door unlocked.
theacademy 03.03.10	sorry, slogans are for the simplest of mind- people who cling to the use of those expressions should probably try original thought... might surprise yourself
Emim 03.03.10	Doesn't make it any less true. Seriously, leave your front door unlocked, or even better, open. That is basically what you are proposing here.
theacademy 03.03.10	please explain your logic instead of using snarky comments.
Emim 03.03.10	"problem is that "securing the border" reinforces this retarded concept of 'american entitlement' - that somehow needy persons from other countries are undeserving of basic human rights" America = your home. Border = your fence/door/windows/whatever You no doubt feel entitled to your abode, and I feel entitled to my country. Leeching on society is not a "basic human right". You're either here legally, or you get the fuck out. IT'S THE FUCKING LAW
tiesthatbind 03.03.10	You can argue with Emim, academy, but can you argue with: http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/20/93927.shtml
SeaAnemone 03.03.10	and how exactly do illegal immigrants "leech on society?"
Emim 03.03.10	Much better question, how don't they?
SeaAnemone 03.03.10	if it's money you're worried about (which I know it is) http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm immigrants do, in fact, contribute a lot to taxes. also, they do shit that americans have become fed up with doing.
Emim 03.03.10	I'm talking about illegal immigrants. And by doing that shit, they remove jobs from those that really do need them legally.
illmitch 03.03.10	apathy ftw metalcore ftl
Emim 03.03.10	apathycore ftmfw
illmitch 03.03.10	^^^^^^^^^^ 123
bloc 03.03.10	WHO CARES??? eh eh? c wut i did thar?
theacademy 03.03.10	you do realize that there's no rational explanation for you being an american and some other poor schmuck being born south of the border. you just got lucky. "Much better question, how don't they?" - this is you, not having an answer... UNDOCUMENTED immigrants (because no person can truly be classified as illegal), working illegally, do not pay property taxes, obviously, but they do contribute a HUGE tax credit to the U.S. by forefeiting any rights to refunds from taxes withheld throughout the work year. Finally, i didn't think people still existed who make the 'DEY DOOK OUR JOBZ' bullshit argument. How many americans do you know that want to work on farms for the agricultural minimum wage? how many americans are looking for backroom jobs in kitchens or restaurant staffing. Undocumented immigrants occupy a sector of the economy-probably the only sector of the economy where a surplus of jobs currently exists.
PirateSquid 03.03.10	Yeah guys Emim's so independent and not Republican.
theacademy 03.03.10	those distinctions don't really mean anything. if you spend too much time thinking about what one platform says and another doesnt, and trying to fit within one, you get someone who just recycles platitudes like 'just leave your front door unlocked.'
Emim 03.03.10	Bump. Y'all are both either retarded, or well, retarded. "How many americans do you know that want to work on farms for the agricultural minimum wage? how many americans are looking for backroom jobs in kitchens or restaurant staffing." None, because THE FUCKING ILLEGALS TOOK THEM ALL. You prove my argument. And they are ILLEGAL immigrants, because they immigrated illegally (imagine that!). The difference between me and "that poor schmuck" is that I WAS born here. I don't give a fuck if that is fair or not. "Hey, Mr. Bill Gates, you know it's not really fair for you to be a billionaire. You should give me your money."??? You seem to think such a phrase as "leave your front door unlocked" constitutes some sort of lack of original thinking. That is the most ignorant cop out I have ever heard.
eternium 03.03.10	Lol, now I'm disagreeing with you again. They are hardworking people and they are contributing taxes. That's why they should be given the chance to become American citizens, on certain conditions (such as learning English), so that they will be paid at least minimum wage and have worker's rights (the reason they are hired over citizens), as well as paying taxes like everyone else.
Emim 03.03.10	If they are to become citizens, more power to 'em. If not, then get out of the country. I still agree with your method btw.
SeaAnemone 03.03.10	lol you think there's a ton of Americans in line to work hard jobs that pay below minimum wage, the only problem is that the illegals took em all!? haha
Emim 03.03.10	Below minimum wage? What? There's a reason it's called minimum wage, because legally that is the minimum you can pay out. And yes, there are, especially with the recession. I've worked those kind of jobs myself.
eternium 03.03.10	There are Americans willing to work those jobs, even if the majority wouldn't. Fact is, an American would be paid at least the legal minimum wage and would have better working conditions. Otherwise, that person could sue. An immigrant cannot sue. I don't blame the immigrants, I blame the businesses. They just want to have a better life, while the business only wants to make money.
Emim 03.03.10	I blame everyone.
SeaAnemone 03.03.10	a. sorry, meant minimum wage b. but you're most likely a teenager, somebody who doesn't provide for a family when you're dealing with low-skill jobs like these, the illegal workers and the Americans they're competing with are entirely different. the Americans lack what it takes to make it in more sophisticated profession (they simply lack the skills, come from a bad background, etc.). On the other hand, the immigrants are MUCH more motivated (I've worked alongside some, actually) and productive. Therefore, the companies choose to hire the more productive, motivated candidates.
Emim 03.03.10	Teens are the ones without the most jobs. Motivated or not, the jobs should be for Americans first.
SeaAnemone 03.03.10	better workers or not Americans should be first?
Emim 03.03.10	Yes.
SeaAnemone 03.03.10	okkkkkkk but it's kinda the companies' goal to make as much money as possible
Emim 03.03.10	Well, motivated or not I believe was the original word choice. Better depends entirely on the person, not their immigration status.
theacademy 03.03.10	so much wrong with last couple of exchanges. 1. an immigrant most certainly can sue. and they can win. and they have won. yes, even undocumented immigrants. when FLSA claims are brought, courts don't want to provide an incentive for employers to force marginalized workers (like undocumented immigrants) into oppressive situations by not honoring workplace regulations. so that point falls. 2. americans are not looking for seasonal agricultural work, nor are they looking (generally) for part time, day labor, or other jobs where they wouldn't be classified as employees. These jobs don't have benefits that americans (generally, remember we are talking about the general, adult, independent population here. bread earners) pursue, like health insurance. the sectors of the economy suffering job loss during this recession are right in the middle. It's not like you see restaurants or farms laying off workers. undocumented workers do not take away office jobs from anyone.
theacademy 03.03.10	"Below minimum wage? What? There's a reason it's called minimum wage, because legally that is the minimum you can pay out." certain jobs don't exist at a minimum wage. a minimum wage, by definition, creates unemployment. ask someguest to explain this to you if you haven't taken an economics class yet.
eternium 03.03.10	If they had the same rights as Americans, then it wouldn't be a problem. But of course a business would pick someone who can't sue over an American who can, no matter who is a better worker. They're basically labor slaves. There is a disadvantage no matter who works harder and it hurts both groups.
Emim 03.03.10	A job is a job. When the need arises, "bread-earners" will take what they can get. As for these season and part-time jobs, that's where teens have always fallen.
theacademy 03.03.10	'"How many americans do you know that want to work on farms for the agricultural minimum wage? how many americans are looking for backroom jobs in kitchens or restaurant staffing." None, because THE FUCKING ILLEGALS TOOK THEM ALL. You prove my argument.' E: A takes job from B T: B doesn't actually want job E: Thats because A has the job!!!!! You prove my argument. T: (face palm)
eternium 03.03.10	Illegal immigrants get deported if they sue. Do they not?
theacademy 03.03.10	they most certainly do not.
Emim 03.03.10	Regardless of all this extenuating circumstances, the point is: They are here illegally, breaking the law, they should be prosecuted. The law is the law, and they are breaking it.
theacademy 03.03.10	the only workplace regulation not upheld against immigration charges was the NLRA, in the case i cited above: Hoffman Plastic Compounds, Inc. v. NLRB, 537 U.S. 137 (2002)
theacademy 03.03.10	it used to be "the law" that a black man would get lynched for saying anything sexually suggestive to a white woman. THE LAW IS THE LAW?! and you called my criticism against your stupid shit a cop-out?
theacademy 03.03.10	im curious, where do you both live and or where did you grow up? just the state, nothing specific obviously
porch 03.03.10	Take this shit to the forums
theacademy 03.03.10	get the fuck outta my thread
Emim 03.03.10	"it used to be "the law" that a black man would get lynched for saying anything sexually suggestive to a white woman. THE LAW IS THE LAW?! and you called my criticism against your stupid shit a cop-out?" Irony ftw. That example is the actual cop out, sorry for the misunderstanding. If you cannot see the difference between the two, well... And Bay Area, now Northern Cali.
eternium 03.03.10	Again, make them citizens, problem solved. :D
theacademy 03.03.10	obviously i can see the differences. you should be able to see the similarities
Emim 03.03.10	"my thread" How cute :)
theacademy 03.03.10	lol
eternium 03.03.10	Wow, a conservative from Bay Area.
Emim 03.03.10	Yes.... THE LAW IS THE LAW They were not born here, nor are they citizens. Therefore, they are in direct violation of the law. Unjust laws (such as your example) are overturned.
theacademy 03.03.10	interesting fact: it is not illegal to be here. the 'illegality' of 'illegal immigrants' concerns the manner in which they cross over. This is why, as an undocumented immigrant in america, you cannot be deported unless you break a criminal law.
eternium 03.03.10	I despise conservatism so much.
Emim 03.03.10	There should be like a maze filled with dogs and snakes and Deliverance-esque hillbillies, any immigrant that makes it through that can stay. Problem solved. Next!
Emim 03.03.10	Conservatism and liberalism are nothing, the scary motherfuckers are the anarchists.
eternium 03.03.10	Yes, Emim, libertarians are quite scary.
Emim 03.03.10	I have this like 14 year old friend on facebook who is an anarchist, and he posts some scary ass shit. Not to mention he has legions of friends that comment on it.
eternium 03.03.10	LEGIONS. I'm not sure which is scarier though. A Christian theocracy put into place by social conservatives or an economy that is completely unregulated, where everything, EVERYTHING is free market and privately owned, put into place by libertarians.
porch 03.03.10	Anarchism is retarded. I'd like to see those pussies deal with things when law and order breaks down
Emim 03.03.10	Hey hey hey, let's leave religion out of this. That was jesusjuice's thread.
Enotron 03.03.10	Emim, some laws are unjust. Some laws need to be broken. It was once a law that you could be arrested for years by helping a slave escape. Was it still the right thing to do? Of course. Or I have a friend who used to have seriously horrible panic attacks, but she has these canniboid pills that are extremely effective in stoping them. Now Cannabis is illegal, but atleast it's helping her. My view is that when illegals are caught instead of being deported, they should be helped to become citizens. There's no reason why somebody with a horrible life in Mexico, who can't get the proper papers and application, shouldn't be allowed into the country.
Emim 03.03.10	In a perfect world.
Enotron 03.03.10	Care to give an actual response, or do you prefer to dismiss most progressive ideas as utopian crap?
Emim 03.03.10	You have spirit, young one. I shall call you, "Steve the Vagina". In West Philadelphia, born and raised...
Enotron 03.03.10	Well, my name is Steve, so it's not a totally inaccurate title. Fresh Prince of Bullshitville.
theacademy 03.03.10	na man, read above. he's just going to hide behind sassy remarks and then accuse others of copping out
Emim 03.03.10	I bring the sass and you know it, copper. On the playground is where I spent most of my days...
tiesthatbind 03.04.10	Yes yes yes turn this thread into a Fresh Prince thread please! No more political/religious debates! In west Philadelphia born and raised On the playground was where I spent most of my days Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool And all shootin some b-ball outside of the school When a couple of guys Who were up to no good Startin making trouble in my neighborhood I got in one little fight and my mom got scared She said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air' It's the best rap song ever, let's discuss.
Emim 03.04.10	Check out the 2nd to last page of the Circle Takes the Square thread.
tiesthatbind 03.04.10	Niiiiiice.
Emim 03.04.10	Sooooooo... I whistled for a cab, and when it came near The license plate said "fresh" and it had dice in the mirror If anything I should say that this cab was rare But I thought nah, forget it "Yo home to Bel-Air!" I Pulled Up to a house around 7 or 8 I yelled to my cabbie "Yo holmes, smell ya later!" Looked at my kingdom, I was finally there To sit on my throne, as the Prince of Bel-Air
Pizza 03.04.10	Emim, you should try learning about stuff before you talk about it. Hopefully one day you'll at least realize you should start reading or something. We just had this discussion in my agriculture class about illegal workers. Basically, there is no way your life as you know it would even exist if it weren't for the illegals in California. You mentioned that there are plenty of unemployed citizens to do the jobs that illegals do, when actually, there aren't. As someone else said, a vast majority of Americans (even if unemployed and unable to find a job in these times) would not last more than a day doing the work illegals do. They work so much harder and are willing to do much harder work for longer periods of time than these Americans you are talking about. And of course with the way our economy is structured, without these jobs being filled you can kiss your fucking grocery store/going out to eat goodbye.
Emim 03.04.10	In West Philadelphia....
tiesthatbind 03.04.10	Will: We don't need none of them immigrant folk comin' in here, takin' our jobs. Carlton: You mean the jobs people like you are too lazy to do? Will: Hey, why don't you go back to Willy Wonka's chocolate factory? I hear they're missin' an Oompa Loompa.
Emim 03.04.10	I thought that part was hilarious as well.
tiesthatbind 03.04.10	There should just be a bridge like in Monty Python. If they answer the question, they can cross the border.
Emim 03.04.10	"What is your favorite color?" "Red..wait no, blue... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
tiesthatbind 03.04.10	Yep, see, foolproof plan.
ScorpionStan 04.07.10	wow interesting thread. theacademy: you need to stop simply regurgitating the musings of your economics teachers. there's a reason the education in our country has gone so far downhill: universities are more about postmodern philisophical indoctrination than actual absolute fact. time for you to think for yourself and use some common sense bro. as for the immigration debate: theacademy's main argument seems to be that our country needs illegal immigrants, because they fill jobs that are unwanted by most americans, and thus our economy would be a disaster without these illegals. however, he seems to completely ignore one little detail: there is such a thing as LEGAL immigrants. and there are plenty of them, in fact, to fill the necessary low-paying, undesirable jobs that lots of illegals now fill. (and the number of legal immigrants would go up drastically if we toughened up our southern border, btw.) sure, businesses like to hire illegals, cuz it's cheaper for them. but does that mean we should accept, condone, and even subsidize their greed and lawlessness? obviously not. that's just lazy and ignorant thinking. if businesses can't survive without hiring undocumented illegals below minimum wage, then they don't deserve to survive. that's the way capitalism works. and the other thing is that a HUGE percentage of illegals are directly involved in crime, involved in drug trafficking, or just in general aren't productive members of society. it's not like they're all these hyper-motivated superworkers only wanting to be the best they can be. simply not true. what we need to focus on are 3 things: securing the borders so that illigal immigration is cut WAY down, making the process of becoming a citizen, or at least a legal immigrant MUCH easier (so that legal immigration will increase that much more), and legalizing the illegals that are already here (albeit only the ones without long criminal records) and incorporating them into society. THESE are the points that should be being discussed, not points like "we need illegals, our country would be screwed without 'em." well if that's true, why not open our borders wide and give everyone an open invitation? heck, why don't we start busing illegals over and start up the slave trade again? seemed to work fairly well a couple hundred years ago, amirite? Jeez, some of you guys just don't think.
Emim 04.07.10	"hyper-motivated superworkers" Ha ha ha, made my day. Nice work, Stan. Good luck getting that across to anyone around here though.
ScorpionStan 04.07.10	haha thanks man, just felt like some people needed some pwning. and yeah i know, it's futile. but no harm in trying lol also, cool list. 10 actually got me into metalcore.
Emim 04.07.10	Define the Great Line and Messengers were my first Metalcore. And yes, futile indeed.
tiesthatbind 04.07.10	Hey look, it's Michael Jordan! I BELIEVE I CAN FLY I BELIEVE I CAN TOUCH THE SKY I THINK ABOUT IT EVERY NIGHT AND DAY SPREAD MY WINGS AND FLY AWAY
Emim 04.07.10	YEEEEAAHH, THAT'S RIGHT! SHOOT YOU IN THE FAAACE Haven't busted that one out in a while.
ScorpionStan 04.07.10	MichaelJordan: thanks for the reply, good stuff. #1: i agree completely, however i was only referring to a tiny facet of capitalism, not an entire global system. for instance: you've got 2 burger joints. joint 1 is higher quality, and it is outselling joint 2 so much that joint 2 has to start taking drastic measures, such as hiring illegal workers below minimum wage, just to stay afloat. that should not be allowed. in a proper capitalistic society, businesses should be allowed to fail. it's survival of the fittest: you either adapt, or you're extinguished. you don't start going around the law. #2: you're right about the reaction to postmodernism. i was just referring to theacademy's seeming lack of common sense as an example of when you take what you hear in universities these days as absolute fact. i could write a whole separate post on what's wrong with postmodernism haha.
PirateSquid 04.07.10	I hate vague, blurred lines. I hate art. I hate postmodern bullshit. I hate creativity. And I hate stupid fucking romance. And I hate YOUUUU
theacademy 04.07.10	JE VEUX TON AMOUR ET JE VEUO TON REVENGE JE VEUX TON AMOUR I DONT WANT TO BE FRIENDSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Emim 04.07.10	I hate retarded faggots. STAY OUTTA THE THREAD SQUID
PirateSquid 04.07.10	cuz no yeah if you're mentally retarded or gay you should be below everyone else in social standards amirite or amirite
Emim 04.07.10	You are right, sir.
eternium 04.07.10	Capitalism and social darwinism in general don't work how they should. Instead of "survival of the fittest," the rule is actually survival of the richest and greediest, where the rest of the country gets fucked over by businesses who only care about profits. They will do anything for higher profits, including neglecting safety, neglecting employees' safety, health, and well-being, neglecting the safety of the products and the consumers, and doing anything possible to escape government regulation.
Emim 04.07.10	Libertarianism... ha ha ha
eternium 04.07.10	RON PAUL LOLOLOL. Libertarians are just rich anarchists.
FadeToBlack 04.07.10	dear satan not sputnikpolitics again
Slipping Away 04.07.10	Who brought back this stupid thread
Emim 04.07.10	These threads are amazing for pissing people off.
eternium 04.07.10	We have to find a middle ground between capitalism and socialism, where the people are still free to run their own businesses if they so wish, but are not allowed to fuck everyone else in the ass once they get big enough. I think that the government should give the basic needs (health care, food, shelter) to every citizen and vigorously control the economy to keep companies from being too big to fail, keep competition up, corruption down, safety top priority, and prices and wages to livable standards. Social democracy.
jesusjuice1179 04.07.10	holy zombie political thread, Batman!
Bfhurricane 04.07.10	Don't we have a thread section for this in the forums? Anyways, I'm a registered Republican and a proud voter.
Emim 04.07.10	We need a monarchy. I vote for myself.
Taoboxer9 04.07.10	You sneaky bastard! good list.Cro-Mags Best Wishes IMHO, really got this genre started.
MrHotMoms 04.07.10	wow, theacademy made you all look like idiots here. PROPS!
cirq 04.07.10	politics fucking suck. theyre all liars.
jesusjuice1179 04.07.10	^sup poopular
AnotherBrick 04.08.10	how the fuck did i miss this list?
ScorpionStan 04.08.10	the problem with most of you guys here (and a large portion of the population btw) is that you think there is some form of government that would actually work well. fact is, there simply isn't. the reason being that all humans at heart are greedy, selfish, and egotistical. (prime example: this site) you can sugarcoat it all you want and paste on a nice facade, but it's the truth. Socialism would work if we were perfect people, or maybe even just had one perfect person to put into power. but no one even comes close. as a result, exactly ZERO established socialist states have ever successfully endured in all of history. same goes for Capitalism. it's obviously the better option of the two, but it will never work exactly the way it's designed for the same reasons as Socialism: b/c people are greedy and selfish. and so there will always be problems with Capitalism as well. and by the way, any talk of a perfect medium between Capitalism and Socialism is bullcrap. all governments boil down to one or the other. problems ALWAYS arise when you try a hybrid, or try to insert ideas from one philosophy and make them work in the other. you have to just implement the lesser of two evils, and accept the fact that it will never work exactly the way it should.
Emim 04.08.10	"you're right, everything I've earned should be shared with someone else just because they're another human being. Fuck you." But, someguest, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
jesusjuice1179 04.08.10	holy shit balls ass this thread is still going!!
mmfarva 04.08.10	Anarchy rules. So sayeth Propagandhi.
Emim 04.08.10	200 comments... Holyeeeee crap!
Enotron 04.08.10	"We have to find a middle ground between capitalism and socialism, where the people are still free to run their own businesses if they so wish, but are not allowed to fuck everyone else in the ass once they get big enough. I think that the government should give the basic needs (health care, food, shelter) to every citizen and vigorously control the economy to keep companies from being too big to fail, keep competition up, corruption down, safety top priority, and prices and wages to livable standards. Social democracy." This this this this this this this this. Why can't more people think like this?
Emim 04.09.10	Because it's retarded. Social utopias will never exist.
tiesthatbind 04.09.10	Saving Private Ryan is an epic 1998 American war film set during the invasion of Normandy in World War II. It was directed by Steven Spielberg and written by Robert Rodat. The film is notable for the intensity of its opening 27 minutes, which depict the Omaha beachhead assault of June 6, 1944. Afterward, it follows Tom Hanks as Captain John H. Miller and several men (Tom Sizemore, Edward Burns, Barry Pepper, Vin Diesel, Giovanni Ribisi, Adam Goldberg and Jeremy Davies) as they search for a paratrooper (Matt Damon), who is the last surviving brother of three fallen servicemen. Rodat first came up with the film's story in 1994 when he saw a monument dedicated to four brothers born to Agnes Allison of Port Carbon, PA, who died during the American Civil War. The monument was erected twenty-three years after Allison's first son was killed. Inspired by the story, Rodat decided to write a similar story set during World War II. The script was submitted to producer Mark Gordon, who then handed it to Hanks. It was finally given to Spielberg, who had previously demonstrated his interest in WWII themes with films such as Schindler's List, and decided to direct Saving Private Ryan after reading the film's script. The film's premise is very loosely based on the real-life case of the Niland brothers. Saving Private Ryan was well received by audiences and garnered considerable critical acclaim, winning several awards for film, cast, and crew as well as earning significant returns at the box office. The film grossed US$481.8 million worldwide, making it the highest-grossing domestic film of the year. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences nominated the film for eleven Academy Awards; Spielberg's direction won him a second Academy Award for Best Director. Saving Private Ryan was released on home video in May 1999, earning $44 million from sales.
Emim 04.09.10	Damnit, ties! Don't make me come over there!
tiesthatbind 04.09.10	It's time for another round of RANDOM WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE! James Glenie (1750 – November 23, 1817) was a Scottish-born businessman and political figure in New Brunswick. He represented Sunbury County in the Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick from 1789 to 1809.
tiesthatbind 04.09.10	Sorry man, I just love interrupting political debates, it's fun.
eternium 04.09.10	I never said that a social utopia will exist. Simply put, it's as close, I think, that humanity will ever get to one. A democracy by itself is needed so that those who did bad jobs will be removed. Democracy allows for trying new things. Well, we tried laissez-faire capitalism and it failed every time. Full blown socialism has also failed in other countries. However, the social democracies of Western Europe have been doing quite well, that is until the global capitalist system (mostly controlled by America) failed.
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	"I think that the government should give the basic needs (health care, food, shelter) to every citizen and vigorously control the economy to keep companies from being too big to fail, keep competition up, corruption down, safety top priority, and prices and wages to livable standards." assuming you live in the U.S...DUH. you just basically recited verbatim the way the founding fathers set up our government in the first place. its greedy, selfish people like you (and me) that have eroded it to where it is now, as was bound to happen from the start. People need to quit thinking they're such political and social geniuses. A SOCIAL UTOPIA IS NOT A NEW IDEA. it's been tried before, and it's failed every time. Emim, i'm beginning to think we're the only sane ones here.
eternium 04.09.10	So wait, I'm selfish because I believe that every human being has the right to a minimum, livable life? The very mindset that "oh, everyone is greedy, what can you do?" is what has been holding humanity back. No, a social utopia is not possible, but a more perfect union is. Thankfully, not everyone thinks like you do.
Emim 04.09.10	If you jump off a bridge in Paris; you're in Seine! lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	no you're not more selfish than anyone else, i was just making a broader point. and btw, "a more perfect union" is EXACTLY what the founding fathers of the U.S. were aiming for when they set up America's government. so either you think you're smarter than them (which really WOULD make you more selfish than anyone else), or they really did set up a union as close to perfect as they could get. and yet it's STILL on a course for failure. what other reason could there be but that it was brought down by greedy people making it do more than it should have and selfish people manipulating it for themselves? what i'm trying to say is: it's all been tried, and it's always failed. you're just going to have to face that reality.
Emim 04.09.10	This would all be good and well, if not for the fact that WE'RE F**KING BROKE. Tell Barrack I'm Baroke.
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	^ to which he'll reply "so sorry son, here's a government handout for you" -- with a nice fat interest rate for you and your kids to pay later.
Emim 04.09.10	I don't understand the concept of spending to get out of debt...
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	haha MichaelJordan, you must roll in some frickin' ivy league circles or something. i've seen WAY worse than this. and Emim: yeah spending to get out of debt -- what a novel idea! sometimes i wonder if he's cast some magic spell on the nation or something, cuz i don't understand why the whole country isn't just laughing out loud at how stupid his ideas are.
Emim 04.09.10	It's Change we can believe in!
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	oh that's right i forgot, we just have to believe... spending more really WILL get us out of debt, cuz Barack said so. now if i could just believe hard enough...it'll really happen!
Emim 04.09.10	It's exactly like the Wizard of Oz.
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	apparently so. maybe he watched that movie a little too much while he was growing up, it's eerily similar. at least some people are finally starting to turn against him. it's almost even more irritating though, cuz it;s like "where were you 2 years ago when we were warning you this stuff would happen?!?"
Emim 04.09.10	It's more than just Obama though. Pelosi and Biden and all these retards need to be kicked out onto the White House lawn.
Emim 04.09.10	I hate politicians.
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	i agree with You MichaelJordan to a certain degree. however, i beg to differ on the fact that both parties are really on the right. it used to be true: JFK, for instance (a democratic president) would be considered a right-wing rebublican if he held the same policies today. the Democrats have moved VERY far to the left in recent decades though. i wouldn't go so far as to call Obama a socialist (though arrogant, opportunist, and naive he is). but i would say he definitely leans farther left than any President who preceeded him, and some of his policies do have the distinct smell of socialism about them.
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	...and then in another couple hundred years, we'd be back to the same place and have to do it all over again.
Emim 04.09.10	Nothing wrong with the original Constitution. It's all these "progressive" ideals that are fucking everything up.
Pizza 04.09.10	I agree with michaelJ. and scorpion, a lot has changed in the past 200 years. you keep saying things that are basically claiming we are fucked no matter what we do, and as eternium said earlier i think this is the type of thinking that makes everything fucked in the first place. there will always be a way to improve things, what is the point of keeping a flawed system or train of thought we have now instead of trying to fix it?
Emim 04.09.10	"Have you read Marx?" "Why yes, I believe it is these wicker chairs..."
ScorpionStan 04.09.10	Pizza: there's nothing wrong with trying to make it as good as we can by "fixing" as much as possible. we SHOULD be doing that. I'm just saying: we're never going to get what we want, no matter how hard we try. we can get close, which is why we should try, but we're never going to reach and maintain the level we really want. So in other words, there's no point in all the discussions on here saying "so, if we just did this and this and this and did it right, we'd have a perfect economy, and the world would run the way it should." as if no one's ever thought of those issues before, or tried to implement those ideas in the past. it's just an ignorant fantasy.
PirateSquid 04.09.10	"It's all these "progressive" ideals that are fucking everything up." Bahahahaha, okay Glenn Beck. "WE HAVE TO STOP ALL THESE LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES FROM DESTROYING AMERICAAAAAAA"
Emim 04.09.10	What did I tell you about gaying up my thread, squid?
Klekticist 04.09.10	hahah. some funny moments on this thread... all ridiculous tv personals aside, one can agree that the government has gotten extremely bloated over the years.
Emim 04.09.10	Yessir, many lulz to be had.
PirateSquid 04.09.10	You have yet to invalidate any of my points, only use ad hominems to invalidate yourself
theacademy 04.09.10	JE VEUX TON AMOUR ET JE VEUO TON REVENGE JE VEUX TON AMOUR I DONT WANT TO BE FRIENDSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Emim 04.09.10	YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHHH, THAT'S RIGHT! SHOOT YOU IN THE FAACE
tiesthatbind 04.09.10	Leave It to Beaver is a 1950s and 1960s family-oriented American television situation comedy about an inquisitive but often naïve boy named Theodore "Beaver" Cleaver (portrayed by Jerry Mathers) and his adventures at home, in school, and around his suburban neighborhood. The show also starred Barbara Billingsley and Hugh Beaumont as Beaver's parents, June and Ward Cleaver. The show has attained an iconic status in the United States, with the Cleavers exemplifying the idealized suburban family of the mid-twentieth century. One of the first primetime sitcom series written from a child's point-of-view, the show was created by the writers Joe Connelly and Bob Mosher. These veterans of radio and early television found inspiration for the show's characters, plots, and dialogue in the lives, experiences, and conversations of their own children. Like several television dramas and sitcoms of the late 1950s and early 1960s (Lassie and My Three Sons, for example), Leave It to Beaver is a glimpse at middle-class, white American boyhood. A typical episode features Beaver getting into some sort of trouble and facing his parents for reprimand and correction. However, neither parent is omniscient; indeed, the series often showed the parents debating their approach to child rearing, and some episodes are built around parental gaffes.
eternium 04.09.10	The Constitution is the basis for the government, purposely made so that it can be amended and improved. As time progressed, the flaws were found and mostly solved. Examples include who could vote, slavery, term limits, etc. To say what the Founding Fathers was perfect is simply ignorant, as even they knew it wasn't. The very aspect of "a more perfect union" is to allow the American people to make the nation more perfect, not to say that it ever was before. The entire reason for learning history is to learn from the past. The past has taught us that progressives such as Teddy Roosevelt did the right thing by trust busting and regulating the economy, which was improved again by FDR. I could go on and on.
Emim 04.10.10	Teddy was fucking xXhxcXx
theacademy 04.10.10	The capacity of human intelligence seems to limit the capabilities to expand upon any possible creative aptitudes. Indeed, if one cannot even notice the facets that the ingenuities around him are comprised of, how can he be expected to fashion a beast of his own? This inveterate sense of constraint is a great blow to the veracity of mankind’s abilities. It restrains us and holds our minds to the ground below, averting any possibility of rising above ourselves to something greater; something not fathomed by the conventional mind. This concept of seeking to go beyond one’s self, known as “transcendence”, is essentially a gateway to unlocking pieces of ourselves that can lead to some of the most elaborate and significant creations of our world. For many, this quest to transcend and form creations that were once considered unthinkable and overwhelming consumes life. Certainly it is rare to find such people, but when they are found, creative barriers are destroyed.
tiesthatbind 04.10.10	^Well played, good sir.
theacademy 04.10.10	in terms of insanity, perhaps. but Shadows' is way more iconic...
Emim 04.10.10	YES A MASTODON GUITAR SOLO! Talk about iconic.