strikey
08.30.09 | lol there are already at least 2. one which says it's average and not to bother, but gives it a 3; one which calls it 'noise'. lolz.
listnin' noW |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | ya, that 'noisier nirvana' comment was pretty bad |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | just listened to it through for the first time and it's solid, not sure what rating, but its not bad at all |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | I'm sad. |
romgsom
08.30.09 | Is everyone sure this is a legit leak? Wasn't there some issue with some other band's demos leaking and getting labeled as Brand New? |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | This record isn't half as good as you intend or invent. I can't believe that the only songs I'm meh digging are "Bed" and "At the Bottom". And I didn't even like "At the Bottom" to begin with. The lyrics are cringe worthy at best, "Vices" sounds as a Nirvana b-side but really, really bad and "Be Gone" is probably the worst song of the whole year.
I wanted this record to be good. I really wanted to like this. But shitty record is shitty. Even The Used's Artwork is a better record than this is. And that's not a compliment though. |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | batman, if you didn't even like at the bottom, sounds like this just isnt your thing as its easily the most accessible song on the album |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | Kirgasm, the thing is, I know where they are coming from. This is nothing revolutionary or a step into a evolution of their sound. This is Brand New forgetting what they are and sounding like a poor version of Modest Nirvana.
The thing is, Jesse isn't Kurt. And squealing isn't screaming. I fail to understand who will think how this record can be any good. People will make excuses and say that they "get" the record, when the truth is that anyone with some knowledge about music is aware of what they're trying to channel here. And it fails, badly imho.
Now I hope that I can forget what I've listen and hope for a Jesse Lacey solo record. |
strikey
08.30.09 | hurray for objectivity.
Be Gone is obviously intended to be a very odd, uncomfortable interlude, so calling it a 'song' is kinda silly.
i think this album is pretty awesome after 1 spin. |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | i'm going to assume you consider yourself as someone with knowledge of music, so would you care to explain what exactly they're trying to channel here? you're being a bit vague
you've acknowledged that this really isn't that huge of a step from what they've done before and i really don't see it as a challenging record for anyone who loved the devil and god |
CrazyGreg
08.30.09 | Just started listening but it's not bad so far |
strikey
08.30.09 | it sounds like a pretty sensible/well-executed transition to me |
strikey
08.30.09 | oh well guess i'm just a fanboy that's pretending to like it and doesn't understand music or what they're tryin2channel |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | i'm in the same camp strikey :( |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | They were trying to channel into some kind of mix between Nirvana, Modest Mouse and some obscure noise rock, throwing some The Blood Brothers and GlassJAw in the mix.
Thing is, it is far from an evolution of TDGARIM. I won't comment about it, since my opinion aren't worthy. I'll leave to you and strikey do the hype around here and let the staff judge it.
I wish I haven't preordered this. That's all I will say for now. |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | *opinions. damn no edit button. |
strikey
08.30.09 | i bet youre the most fun person to know ever
also lol obscure noise-rock |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | I'm not the only one talking about they channeling this though. Strikey, you'll always disagree with me. It's your thing. Go ahead, it's perfect, better than TDGARIM and Deja, AOTY.
Shitty record still shitty. |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | for a record that took as long to sink in as the devil and god did, it's foolish to expect on the first few listens to be able to hold this in comparison
batman, you seem to be portraying it as a far bigger leap in sound than it really is |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | IMHO and my only, it's a poor man version of Nirvana mixed with Modest Mouse. And Jesse thinking he is Daryl.
But sounding like a pig. Squealing instead of screaming. Bert may be a jerk, but he can scream better than Jesse. Even with the fucked up throat. Brand New fanboys will love this turd regardless, don't worry. |
OllieS
08.30.09 | 'prepare for thousands of poor sound offs' - lol true. |
Captain North
08.30.09 | lol, someone has already given it a 5 |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | I just gave a 5 and a poor sound off. Because sometimes records so fuckin' hard that they become classics. |
breesuschrist
08.30.09 | weeee listening now |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | sucks so fuckin' heard* I mean. Damn no edit buttons. |
breesuschrist
08.30.09 | wow batman, one day at youre ready to throw what appears to be your favorite band under the bus? |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | My favorite band is Thrice. Brand New is second next. I just wish Jesse stop playing Kurt and give us all a solo record. I want him singing again. That's all. |
rasputin
08.30.09 | new album is good |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | "Negative Creep" owns "Vices".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eS5EMYb5hQ |
Faint7
08.30.09 | There are no seeds anywhere wtf?? |
breesuschrist
08.30.09 | are you retarded batman? unlike nirvana, brand new is good at their instruments. jesse sings clean literally 75% of the album. i dont really know what to say to your nonsense. |
breesuschrist
08.30.09 | Faint:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VKEZBYWP |
Faint7
08.30.09 | Thank you! |
navyboy
08.30.09 | The fuck is with the 2 and 3 ratings? What is happening to the world? |
gyromania1
08.30.09 | and a thank you from me... i wasn't going to be bothered looking for this, but now i'm downloading it. how does this compare to the devil and god? |
navyboy
08.30.09 | So far i'm enjoying it more than I did TDAG on first listen, but TDAG was a huge grower for me. Make your own opinion I guess, but it's being way underrated by mofuckas so far. |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | gyro, just listen to it and decide yourself. as you can see, there's a bit of a split opinion on it |
gyromania1
08.30.09 | yes, of course. i just wanted some insight from my fellow sputnik chums as i was waiting for my download to finish. |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | in that case, this is really solid, everyone is just trippin balls about it being 'noisy' |
breesuschrist
08.30.09 | i mean, devil and god is my favrotie album of all time, so expecting anyone to ever produce anything as good is a stretch. however, my third listen to proving to be quite enjoyable, nearing 4.5 neighborhood |
gyromania1
08.30.09 | OH MA GOD! ONLY LISTENED TO 20 SECONDS OF THE FIRST TRACK BUT THIS WILL BE A 5 FOR SURE GUYS! |
Electric City
08.30.09 | anyone know a good quality link? |
breesuschrist
08.30.09 | if you have demonoid there's a quality one on there im using |
IndieGuitarist
08.30.09 | wow people are so gay
and batman, know one cares that you dont like it
|
CrazyGreg
08.30.09 | It's good, a solid 3.5 or 4 |
chambered89
08.30.09 | WHERE CAN I LISTEN MAN |
Shrapnel94
08.30.09 | Just dig around |
CelestialDust
08.30.09 | leak? I LOVE LEAKS
just when i get my internets back woohoo |
chambered89
08.30.09 | k will listen now |
KritikalMotion
08.30.09 | wow. |
chambered89
08.30.09 | on first skim through it sounds amazing |
KritikalMotion
08.30.09 | awesome so far i dont no why ppl are complaining |
Spare
08.30.09 | get the feeling i won't really like this |
chambered89
08.30.09 | I dont get it either, it's actually really really good |
Titan50
08.30.09 | waiting til it's out |
CompanionCube
08.30.09 | goddamnbatman your so retarded |
Titan50
08.30.09 | i'm the goddamn fagman |
Zip
08.30.09 | *excited |
Masochist
08.30.09 | Maybe just me, but does anyone else get a bit of a 'Brother/Sister'-era mewithoutYou vibe on this album? |
straylightrunner
08.30.09 | Record is good. But a solid 3 is more likely. I think that "Vices" is clearly inspired by "Negative Creep" though. |
strikey
08.30.09 | lol except deja is a 5 |
romgsom
08.30.09 | what are people talking about this is really good |
Benzum
08.30.09 | wtf is So Daisy? |
strikey
08.30.09 | i don't really see anyone slagging this off except thegoddamnbatman, the rest of the sane world is pretty much in accord that it's at least good. |
CompanionCube
08.30.09 | honestly its at LEAST a 3.5 - 4 |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | benzum - seriously? there are about 70 posts here explaining to you what this mysterious 'daisy' phenomenon might be. investigate. |
Benzum
08.30.09 | Sigh. I know what it is man. I just did it for, list diversity. |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | right
cool
carry on
i dont even know why i put digs up in this list. nobody looks past the 1st album. |
Benzum
08.30.09 | haha yeah bro. I can imagine if sites like Ultimate Guitar had the "list" function. All the average bands would get comments like "Yeah amazing. This is gunna be soooo guuuuud" and then on Sputnik it's all like "Gtfo non elite stfu, FAIIIL"
You get the idea. |
Waior
08.30.09 | Did you like 5? |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | coincidentally, i commented on 5 the very same moment you commented here
weird. |
Zip
08.30.09 | Geez Vices is so aggro, when did Brand New go in that direction seriously wtf |
chambered89
08.30.09 | I think it's more difficult to get into than TDAGARIM, but it's almost as good. Really different. |
arsonist88
08.30.09 | Comparing this to TDAGARIM is retarded. I never liked anything Brand New did the first time I listened to it, so in a weird way I'm pretty excited I wasn't instantly gratified by this. I will say Noro is pretty godlike tho... |
chambered89
08.30.09 | how is it retarded? it doesn't sound anything like TDAGARIM, just the fact it's harder for me to like Daisy than it was for devil and god that's the only comparison I was making. |
straylightrunner
08.30.09 | First review is up:
http://www.punktastic.com/reviews/3403
Agree completely. |
someguest
08.30.09 | That reviewer called Devil and God boring. Opinion invalid. |
JokesorInsults
08.30.09 | I'm torn on it, but I'm sure it'll end up to be really good. |
straylightrunner
08.30.09 | Missed that part. But I agree that there's something wrong about this record. It's almost like they wanted to piss people off. |
Nikkolae
08.30.09 | i think that reviewer has shit on his mind if he calls "the devil and god" boring, i'll deff get this |
someguest
08.30.09 | "Noro" rules. |
robertsona
08.30.09 | this needs more comments you guys are letting me down |
someguest
08.30.09 | I don't know what people are complaining about. I think I'm going to enjoy this more than The Devil and God. |
Prophet178
08.30.09 | I agree with Batman and that review on this one. The band tried to channel certain bands and try new things, but what came out is a bunch of mediocre at best songs. I accept the fact that they didn't just try and do Devil & God part 2, making a different album is what every good band should do... but they didn't quite hit the mark on this one.
I'm sure fanboys will be jizzing themselves over this, but really, theres better bands/songs/albums that have done the same thing but better. Definitely looking forward to the flood of 4.5-5 reviews once its streaming.
I'd say 3-3.5 would be the sweet spot here. |
someguest
08.30.09 | Well I think the heavier aspects with the screaming rule. |
Nikkolae
08.30.09 | the thing is prophet that im no fanboy, and i can testify how good albums like deja entendu or TDAGARIM, so when someone who says that albums like those are just good to boring i wouldnt be able to agree so much with him, thats why i didnt felt like the other review was very accurate |
Prophet178
08.30.09 | I agree, Devil & God is one of my favorite albums of all time, and Deja Entendu, while not my cup of tea, is still an incredible record. But Daisy is a far cry from the quality of those two records. |
chambered89
08.30.09 | for one thing, it's definately weirder |
Nikkolae
08.30.09 | i agree with you brother, you see people thats how you state an opinion lol, and yes its pretty wierd but i think it will be a grower, atleast to me |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | [quote]I agree, Devil & God is one of my favorite albums of all time, and Deja Entendu, while not my cup of tea, is still an incredible record. But Daisy is a far cry from the quality of those two records.[/quote]
This. But I love Deja Entendu and TDGARIM isn't my cup of tea, even though it's a masterpiece.
People gushing over this thing won't change the fact it's shitty. If it was any other band, people would laugh hard of it. That's biased judgement, a thing I won't be doing anymore. I did with The Used, and it turns out that even if I hate them, I have to admit that their new records is way better than this. I gave a 5, but that's because I don't care about ratings. I'd rate this with a 2.5 if I was keeping it real. |
someguest
08.30.09 | Batman you've been listening to it for a day. Chill the fuck out. |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | Tomorrow it'll be the same subpar lyrics. I didn't loved TDGARIM, Deja Entendu or Beggars in the first 24 hours. As I didn't love Armistice, Mandala either. But I knew there was something really amazing about these records. I knew that there's some amazing musicanship and lyrics in it.
Tomorrow, Jesse will still squealing on this record.
Tomorrow, Jesse will still be singing the same cringeworthy lines.
Tomorrow this record will still suck. As it will suck the next year too.
The problem isn't about giving time, it's because the lyrics plainly suck, it's because just thinking about listen this give me a headache.
Brand New should stick at what they do best, not trying to be a mix between their favorite bands. They're sounding like a bunch of 15 years olds that spent too much time listening to Nirvana and Modest Mouse.
If this record was from the turd called BrokenCYDE, people will rape the shit out of it. God, if it was ANY band besides Brand New, people will rape the shit out of it.
I love Brand New, but I can't deny that they're one of the most overrated bands in the planet. |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | people would*
Hell, I miss the goddamn edit buttons. |
SeaAnemone
08.30.09 | where can i get a good torrent of this (not demonoid)
a link would be appreciated |
Nikkolae
08.30.09 | trolly mcTroll |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | Wrong, Nikkolae. I love this band, and I'm probably listening to them way more time than you. I've preordered the record, do you?
I love this band and I'm disappointed. Cant I express this? Or should I join the zombie gang that says that "get" the record while they clearly don't? This record is heavily influenced by Nirvana, and it doesn't work. After three great records, one being what I could say as my favorite record of all time, they made a turd. It happens, if you disagree, fine. But let me express what I think, even if you think what I say sucks. |
Nikkolae
08.30.09 | thats compleatly out of subject, if you dont like it, its ok, but you dont have to state your opinion on how disappointed you are to every single person that likes this, if you dont like it fine, its ok WE GET IT, and FYI i do have it on pre-order, so please just chill kay? |
SeaAnemone
08.30.09 | CAN WE TAKE A MOMENT TO STOP ARGUING!!
thank you, i would like to hear this and I'm having trouble finding a link. |
Nikkolae
08.30.09 | hey its his opinion and as silly it might sound to me he has the right to state it, it just gets a bit annoying when he does it like 9284752938475203948 times |
TheGoddamnBatman
08.30.09 | I don't have to. I was leaving the subject like this, but then I saw some people calling me out here and I came back to say what I think, that's all.
From the way I see it, some people around here can't take negative viewings of their favorite bands. See, iff this record was from any other record, people would hate it. |
Nikkolae
08.30.09 | CAN WE TAKE A MOMENT TO STOP ARGUING!!
thank you, i would like to hear this and I'm having trouble finding a link.
thissss X D |
robertsona
08.30.09 | 'See, iff this record was from any other record,'
what |
Phantom
08.30.09 | the goddamnfagman literally destroys every news article/review/list he posts in.
such a fucking idiot. |
Titan50
08.30.09 | Hey Batman, you know what? Yeah, you know what Baman, yeah, you know what?
No one fucking cares
So shut the fuck up |
SeaAnemone
08.30.09 | can someone find a link for this please?
maybe?
ok?
please? |
chambered89
08.30.09 | To Seanonme : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VKEZBYWP |
SeaAnemone
08.30.09 | thank you very much... I couldn't find a working one before |
chambered89
08.30.09 | no problem my friend. the quality is a little iffy but there's all the songs. enjoy |
arsonist88
08.30.09 | Sorry Chambered89, my retarded comment wasn't aimed at you. I actually agree with you in that this needs a few listens to grasp, I think I can compare all Brand New releases in that they've all taken me a few listens to like. I was just speaking in general, anyone who expected this to be like devil and god or anyone who is basing how this sounds off of how devil and god sounds is dumb. |
chambered89
08.30.09 | I agree with you brotha |
Groink
08.30.09 | I'm digging it after the first listen, kudos to the band for trying something different. |
strikey
08.30.09 | People gushing over this thing won't change the fact it's shit
PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS SHIT WON'T CHANGE THE FACT IT'S GOOD.
Perceive it this way: this is less a collection of songs and more a consistent record. There are no let-ups, and if this were released as 1 song it would be revered. |
IndieGuitarist
08.30.09 | my third listn made me love it. Be Gone was weird the first time but now it rules |
redskyformiles
08.30.09 | be gone reeks of modest mouse. that's a good things |
Kirgasm
08.30.09 | i love batmans logic: because he doesnt like it, it cant be good, and everyone who does like it is pretending to because of some brand new fanboy facade. |
Masochist
08.30.09 | I realize the argum...I mean conversation has gone past it, but I'd just like to point out that the Punktastic reviewer didn't say that 'The Devil And God...' was boring, he said he loved it then got bored with it. There's a HUGE difference between the two; it's just like when people love an album so much that they play it over and over, and six months later they can't even listen to it anymore. That's probably what happened there.
Anyways...I stand by my earlier comment about the album. First listen, I heard so much mewithoutYou influence shine through (and the Nirvana; don't see how people can deny that one). It's different from their other stuff, but since I don't fap over TDAGARIM, I don't have any expectations, so it sounds really good to me.
A few more listens and I might have a better opinion on it. It's sitting at a 3.5/4 right now; let's see if it grows a bit. |
Dave de Sylvia
08.30.09 | We'd appreciate if you can take Daisy talk to the forums: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=577534
Thanks |
someguest
08.30.09 | If he liked it then it bored him he now finds it boring. Not that hard to grasp. |
Masochist
08.30.09 | The difference is that him becoming bored with it is a personal folly (it's his own fault), while calling the album "boring" would imply that it had nothing of merit to begin with (the band's fault), and that's not what he was saying.
The only reason I make a point of it is because a few peeps were discrediting his opinion and using that as a reason. |
someguest
08.30.09 | How do you know that it's just a personal folly? Did he state that as the specific reason to finding it boring now? There are more reasons then just ''overplaying the album'' for a person to find a once enjoyed album, boring.
And it does discredit his opinion here because overtime people find the album to be a classic. Therefore, people here would disagree with his overall subpar reception of the album if it is in any shape or form connected with how he feels now about The Devil and God. |
chambered89
08.30.09 | Take it to the forums guys, take it to the forums. |
Prophet178
08.30.09 | The forums?!?! NEVER! |
Masochist
08.30.09 | Oh, there could be many reasons that he grew bored with it; he doesn't say. But the argument I'm making is that you can't use that statement to help discredit his review because the fault for him not liking TDAGARIM isn't the band's, it's his own. He doesn't say "I found 'The Devil and God...' to be boring," he says "I loved it, but grew bored with it." That's the personal folly: something he did changed his opinion; it wasn't that the band made a boring album, and he acknowledges that ("I loved it when it first came out...").
I suppose I'd be naive to try and say, "Everyone's entitled to their own opinion" in defense of the reviewer (who's opinion, I might add, I disagree with). But I will point out that even as negative a review as he wrote, he still gave it 3/5. |
Masochist
08.30.09 | Oh...and I already posted on the forums ;-) |
someguest
08.30.09 | The record label already took down the megaupload source. |
Prophet178
08.30.09 | Oh noes, where will we ever find it now?!?! |
Lucidity
08.30.09 | I got my copy from the megaupload link on alternative2punk. Try checking that out and see if it is still up. |
Captain North
08.31.09 | Rest of comments are tl;dr
But I'm liking this so far. Better than Deja, even if it lacks the cohesiveness and the clever lyrics. I love the screaming on Vipers, and alot of the songs are great. Hard to comprehend as an album though. |
Prophet178
08.31.09 | Vices* |
Kashmir09
09.16.09 | Batman's a douche, album rules, nuff said...Nirvana rules too, so no Brand New fans retort with nonsense about them. Stop comparing the two, awesome bands, and if Brand New wants to sound like Modest Mouse bred with Nirvana, then I'm on board, I love all 3 =) |
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