Valkoor952
03.13.22 | Thank god it didn't crash this time. Welp, this is it for now, may add things later when I'm not as pissed. |
kevbogz
03.13.22 | 8
10
4
6
7
9
3
5
1
3 and 5 are interchangeable depending on the day, but overall i agree nothing in their discog is >3 (except maybe adrenaline) |
Zac124
03.13.22 | Agree with 1. Such a banger of a record and I’m so glad it is getting more attention. |
DoofDoof
03.13.22 | 1 is like...6th? |
DoofDoof
03.13.22 | 1. Around the Fur
2. White Pony
3. Deftones
4. Diamond Eyes
5. Saturday Night Wrist
6. Koi No Yokan (dunno, somedays it could be 5th)
7. Ohms
8. Adrenaline
9. Gore |
Sowing
03.13.22 | 5,7,9 are all basically tied for best although SNW is also a beauty |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | Do not see a world where Ohms is in a top 3 Deftones conversation tbh |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | "1 is like...6th?"
you are like.... wrong? |
Sowing
03.13.22 | Ohms is my #1 lol |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.13.22 | 9. Adrenaline
8. Deftones
7. Gore
6. Around the Fur
5. Diamond Eyes
4. Saturday Night Wrist
3. White Pony
2. Ohms
1. Koi No Yokan
that’s just me tho |
Sowing
03.13.22 | Ohms > Diamond Eyes > White Pony > SNW > KNY > Deftones > AtF > Adrenaline > Gore |
JDubb
03.13.22 | Bloody hell no! |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.13.22 | ohms gang |
JDubb
03.13.22 | 1 is so not 1, and is a half-baked effort. Ohms and Gore are way too low. |
DoofDoof
03.13.22 | The end of 'Royal' alone should get 'Diamond Eyes' into anyone's top 5 |
DType
03.13.22 | 3 is 1 agreed |
katkac
03.13.22 | I tend to be torn on whether the s/t or White Pony is their best. For me, they're these two monoliths that stand above everything else they ever did. SNW is good, but there's always been this kind of an "unfinished" quality about it for me that drags it down. I can't quite define it, but it feels a bit like it was released before it was completed. In any case, it was the last Deftones album I enjoyed in full.
1. Deftones
2. White Pony
3. Around the Fur
4. Saturday Night Wrist
5. Koi No Yokan
6. Diamond Eyes
7. Adrenaline
8. Ohms
I never got around to Gore. |
Pikazilla
03.13.22 | 6 and 7 are too high imo, but otherwise, great ranking! |
Space Jester
03.13.22 | Surprised that I mostly agree with you |
Sinternet
03.13.22 | god self titled and adrenaline suck |
Flashmobba
03.13.22 | sorry but Ive never sat through Adrenaline in its entirety, the guitar tone just gets grating after a while |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | "sorry but Ive never sat through Adrenaline in its entirety, the guitar tone just gets grating after a while"
I can... actually see why that may be a put-off for some people but it personally never bothered me |
Pikazilla
03.13.22 | Personally, I struggle to sit through the entirety of KNY nowadays because it sounds like Deftones aping a no-name C-tier shoegaze band.
SNW is hands down best dreamtones. |
Pikazilla
03.13.22 | Also, remember when KNY dropped, its average rating was at like 4.7 for almost a week and then free fell to what it is now? Good times |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | Similar thing happened with Ohms too and I'm sure it was the same with Diamond Eyes tbh. A 4+ average is still quite strong though. As for KNY itself, idk I still dig it even though it's lacking in the kind of stuff that made Deftones great in the Chi era. It feels like after DE they kind of dip into the melodramatic side too much (this is most evident in Gore where they just go all in on the melodramatic cheese and it kinda sucks a lot of the time) instead of coming up with smooth grooves and rhytms that are just far more unique than venturing into fairly standard shoegaze/alt metal as you said. |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | Also re: the melodrama, I feel like Chino is one of the main perpetrators of that sin on the later albums. Compare his vocal stuff on White Pony and s/t to something from Gore and Ohms and you'll see the difference. He's far more subdued, more considerate in his performance in the early records as opposed to the later ones where he just constantly wails on every single track and tries to come up with this huge melodies and a lot of times it can get grating.
Also doesn't help that the production on his voice on both Gore and Ohms absolutely suck. Ohms as a whole has such a muddied production and I know people were freaking out that it was so good because muh Terry Dates, but I really actively dislike it. All the power from the guitar and drums is just sapped and Chino's voice sounds flat. It pales in comparison to Terry's work on WP and ATF. |
Pikazilla
03.13.22 | I urge you to check the hi-res version of Ohms because it doesn't sound flat at all. |
onionbubs
03.13.22 | ohms's production is great and the best since wrist. the hdtracks remaster of koi sounds good but other than that their prod has been ehh for a while |
Flashmobba
03.13.22 | yea Ohms is top 3 tones imo
Koi is #1 forever |
ChrimzonCanine
03.13.22 | 4 is not a controversial pick at all. It’s my personal number one |
AlexKzillion
03.13.22 | Adrenaline defense gang assemble 😤😤😤
Based ranking |
MyNameIsPencil
03.13.22 | SNY > KNY > WP > AtF > DE > S/T > Ohms > Adrenaline > Gore
maybe stephen and chino should let their next bassist have more creative input lol |
JKing92
03.13.22 | WP > AtF > Ohms > Gore > SNW > DE > s/t > Adrenaline > KNY |
Sinternet
03.13.22 | "SNY > KNY > WP > AtF > DE > S/T > Ohms > Adrenaline > Gore"
this is almost it if you bump gore above diamond eyes and ohms above s/t |
YoYoMancuso
03.13.22 | idk when the Diamond Eyes antijerk started on sputnik but it's easily their best |
ParoXysm
03.13.22 | White Pony > Around the Fur > S/T > Diamond Eyes > Saturday Night Wrist > Adrenaline = Koi No Yokan = Gore = Ohms |
DoofDoof
03.13.22 | 'Worst Song: Elite' dang, no |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | Elite goes literally nowhere for the entirety of its runtime, c'mon.
It was either that or Teenager, but Teenager is sweet, Elite becomes grating 1 minute into the track. WGTB is what Elite wishes it could be. |
onionbubs
03.13.22 | street carp is white ponys worst but elite is not much better mind numbingly repetitive track. whereas (hot take i think) teenager top 3 on white pony. |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | Street carp is actually good, I never quite understood the hate for it. It's not one of the best tracks but there are worse on there. |
onionbubs
03.13.22 | ive always been lowk annoyed by the "SO WRITE IT DOOOWN HOWCOULDYA GET IT GET IT"s and the chorus and verses, while ok, arent particularly memorable to make up for that. tbf i dont rlly think either it or elite are bad per say i dont skip em but they are imo noticeably weaker than the rest |
artiswar
03.13.22 | Elite would be great if it just didn't go on for so damn long |
Pikazilla
03.13.22 | Diamond eyes title track would be great if it didn't sound like a generic yt meshuggah mashup song from 2011 with chino on vox |
artiswar
03.13.22 | I hate Diamond Eyes t/t. Boring, generic with a lukewarm chorus that comes out of nowhere and goes nowhere. I swear, people only remember that song fondly because the band returned from hiatus and there was a lot of hype. |
Emim
03.13.22 | Sput was trying to save us from having to look at this |
Flashmobba
03.13.22 | diamond eyes t/t is my least favorite from the album for sure, so generic
I feel like Koi is just a much better written DE |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | "Sput was trying to save us from having to look at this"
yeah it was trying to conceal my power levels |
ReiniEden
03.13.22 | Gore was a banger, Ohms definitely fits the word of underwhelming. |
Assemblage
03.13.22 | The funniest shit is, disregarding Around the Fur not being somewhere in the top 2, you absolutely nailed it. |
Assemblage
03.13.22 | The only thing weird about Diamond Eyes was the overt crazed masturbation over it since day 1. Other than that, it's as generic and standard as anything else. |
IsisScript80
03.13.22 | Mine:
1. White Pony
2. Diamond Eyes
3. Around the Fur
4. Ohms
5. Saturday Night Wrist
6. Koi No Yokan
7. s/t
8. Adrenaline
9. Gore
|
DoofDoof
03.13.22 | ‘Elite’ is relentless, top three on ‘White Pony’ along with ‘Korea’ and ‘Change’
I’d probably go for ‘Knife Prty’ after that to make up a top four. |
IsisScript80
03.13.22 | “ I hate Diamond Eyes t/t. Boring, generic with a lukewarm chorus that comes out of nowhere and goes nowhere. I swear, people only remember that song fondly because the band returned from hiatus and there was a lot of hype.”
Naaaah. |
Assemblage
03.13.22 | I think everyone forgot that Eros was actually scrapped for Diamond Eyes back in the day but for some reason it didn't get the flak needed because of circumstances, so the band has carbon copied every riff and record from that since then. |
Shemson
03.13.22 | 9. Adrenaline
8. Gore
7. Ohms
-Interchangeable depending on mood
2. White Pony
1. Saturday Night Wrist |
Valkoor952
03.13.22 | " I think everyone forgot that Eros was actually scrapped for Diamond Eyes back in the day but for some reason it didn't get the flak needed because of circumstances, so the band has carbon copied every riff and record from that since then."
I'm pretty sure that's not true. There's at least 3-4 songs, some very bare bones, floating around from Eros that sound nothing like any of the songs from the following albums. They may have used some stuff possibly but there's at least an EP worth of material from Eros that is untouched. The band members confirm this regularly. |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.13.22 | elite is mid as fuck |
Dedes
03.14.22 | Diamond Eyes might be even better than White Pony for me these days buts it's a rough choice between the two
All I know is Beauty School GOAT Deftones |
Assemblage
03.14.22 | @Valkoor, oh I meant they carbon copied what they've done on Diamond Eyes since. As far as I know Eros was def going to be different and may have leaned heavier into Team Sleep territory than before, but that may have just been speculation at the time. I wasn't aware of anything that has come out since that has had an 'Eros sounding' label to it in regards to their recent material as they've only seen to have distanced themselves from that so yeah, I must have worded that badly cause I just meant they've been using Diamond Eyes as a foundation for like 5 albums now (in my eyes). |
evilford
03.14.22 | 1 is 1 agreed |
artiswar
03.14.22 | It's interesting to me how SNW is considered the best (or 1 of the best) a lot on this site since it's a very patchwork album that feels more like a random playlist than a cohesive whole, and outsiders heavily influenced the songwriting, hence why Chino is bitter about it and almost never performs any songs from it. Personally SNW is kinda in the middle for me, not the best but not the worst. The absolute highlights for me are Combat, Beware (the demo version was better!!!1), Cherry Waves, U,U,D,D, and Riviere. S/T felt really organic and cohesive, SNW feels too fragmented and disjointed to earn that #1 spot |
heck
03.14.22 | I disagree with a lot about this list, but the biggest thing is how it's the latest in a trend I've seen lately of calling Ohms weak. I remember it was beloved when it first released but it seems like it's cooled off on people lately |
Senetrix666
03.14.22 | mein is a fucking awful track. |
heck
03.14.22 | serj is just annoying as fuck when he's not on a system of a down song |
artiswar
03.14.22 | Mein is a weird track that has no real place on the album but it's kind of cool on its own. Idk. As for Ohms, I think it has like 4-5 bangers, the rest is ok. Not the worst, but I preferred Gore. I like Chino way more than Stephen as a songwriter generally. |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.14.22 | Mein isn’t even bad it’s just boring.
You have two of the best rock vocalists of the 2000’s collaborating and they’re just moaning these boring ass vocal melodies.
Abe stands out but that’s about it |
artiswar
03.14.22 | you listen to Deftones but don't like moaning boring ass melodies?? |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.14.22 | touche art |
Assemblage
03.14.22 | It's always been hard for me to accept S/T as a cohesive whole and for some reason has that incomplete feeling to it after following White Pony.
SNW has so much going for it though. It's like a smooth, glossy S/T but for the most part everything feels like it belongs. It's such a night-time car ride vibe. To me it's at least, a second "peak" in their potential and is one of the few deftones albums that hasn't downturned or aged very recessively since it came out. |
artiswar
03.14.22 | What do you find incomplete about S/T? I love SNW, don't get me wrong, it just doesn't crack my top 3 |
Assemblage
03.14.22 | Hey art, no probs. It's funny because when I was reading your comment and your description about SNW it was like highlighting what my thoughts were about S/T. To me, I would say S/T feels incomplete in the sense that that album feels more patchwork and like a random playlist of songs, for Deftones at least.
But for a little more detail, there's still some tracks on that album that I can't really get into even after all these years. I'm not sure I can listen to it straight through modifying the tracklist or not. It's definitely one of the only albums up to that point where I'm more satisfied just listening to the best cuts when the mood arises, and I kind of cycle through the album that way. I'd say there's probably three/four songs on it that could qualify for some "greatest hits" material so in all honesty that's pretty good for any album, but to me it feels patchwork in the sense of "greatest hits songs" mixed with some "B-Sides" for a couple of tracks and overall it has less of a charm than White Pony, to me. But I mean, it was always cool they followed White Pony with something that really sounds different to it, just kind of felt like some kind of gel or glue (not sure what) was missing. It might be why I was always so privy to SNW because I feel like that had something of what S/T was missing, when it came out. |
Gyromania
03.14.22 | yeah 9 has aged very poorly, just sounds boring to me now. no solid hooks, no real batshit insane moments. snw, diamond eyes, and nky remain my favourites |
ReturnToRock
03.14.22 | Where would you rank the Back to School EP? |
Relinquished
03.14.22 | ranks at the bin |
bigweinerdon
03.14.22 | Shouldve been Xerces down for worst on SNW |
artiswar
03.14.22 | that take genuinely makes me sad big weiner :( |
Valkoor952
03.14.22 | bigweiner with the small weiner take |
artiswar
03.14.22 | we all know Rapture is really the worst song on here |
ChrimzonCanine
03.14.22 | Rapture, Mein, Rats!, Pink Cellphone.. yeah there’s a lot that keeps it from being on par with most of their other albums in terms of quality |
Valkoor952
03.14.22 | Literally all of those songs rule.
Pink Cellphone is the only "passable" track. |
artiswar
03.15.22 | Rats and Pink Cell rule. |