BlueSwan: Swans Sexual Assault/Sockweb

BlueSwan 06.18.16	Also inb4 pit says stupid shit
Kman418 06.18.16	mods pls delete this list
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	it doesn't matter if he did it, discussing the possibilities that victims of sexual abuse are lying just stigmatizes these cases further and diminishes the authenticity of the claims of women who say they have been assaulted (regardless of whether or not its true). at the end of the day peoples opinions over whether or not its true arent going to change the outcome of the specific instance but they WILL make it more difficult for other genuine victims to be taken seriously. so the best thing you can do with these situations is assume the allegations have general validity and not over-generalize how many people are out there that lie about these things. at the end of the day you arent the judge and jury. its far more important for those of us who are outside the law to protect people from rampant sexual abuse and the shitty laws surrounding it than it is to protect the public reputation of the one in every fifty or whatever guys is facing false accusations. thats the job of the court (which is a different issue entirely).
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	thats what i think at least, the johnny depp thing got me thinking about this recently
Asdfp277 06.18.16	"and ignore that there are some people out there who lie about these things." wouldn't it be their fault that victims of sexual assault get ignored tho? gotta have harsher punishments to make people believe that it's not as common as they think tbh "whatever guys is facing false accusations. thats the job of the court (which is a different issue entirely)" hard to do when the chick did it on facebook and didn't go to trial don't u think? "thats what i think at least, the johnny depp thing got me thinking about this recently" what happened to him? last i heard, his wife was hittin him or sumthing
trve 06.18.16	"got me thinking" i always assumed your brain wasn't capable of performing such advanced tasks
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"wouldn't it be their fault that victims of sexual assault get ignored tho? gotta have harsher punishments to make people believe that it's not as common as they think tbh" sure part of it is their fault but i still think its also our responsibility as a society to not perpetuate attitudes that put people at risk. "hard to do when the chick did it on facebook and didn't go to trial don't u think?" and what, since she didnt go to trial it is our place to step in and create our own justice by arguing over the internet about whether or not its true and condemning one or the other? i think not. but regardless, im just speaking generally about the issue, not solely talking about this instance. "what happened to him? last i heard, his wife was hittin him or sumthing" yeah exactly that, and then amber heard tried to get some money from him and the internet blew up with people accusing her of falsifying the incident to get money out of him so in a super sad twist she ended up withdrawing her request for support in an effort to not derail the discussion from the actual issue.
DeadGuy 06.18.16	if you commit rape you're a piece of shit. If you lie while accusing people you're a piece of shit too.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	yep i doubt anyone is gonna disagree with you there
Avagantamos 06.18.16	no need to put it in quotes. rape is rape
Aftertheascension 06.18.16	This thread is going to be ass. I have a hard time believing rape accusations without explicit evidence as a result of all the false accusations. "so the best thing you can do with these situations is assume the allegations are true and ignore that there are some people out there who lie about these things. at the end of the day you arent the judge and jury. " Innocent until proven guilty.
DeadGuy 06.18.16	rape is rape, but men have been convicted and spent years in prison only for the girl to recant her statement. I'm sure this is unlikely, but it does happen, so it's worth looking into more besides "he said, she said"
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	@aftertheascension well yeah, that is also another issue. but the thing is we aren't going to get a better system for dealing with sexual assault until it is taken more seriously. so all i mean is that in a matter of priorities, assuming people are making false accusations is regressive in that it just perpetuates a broken system. if we shift the public perception of these cases its much more likely that we can get better laws and practices in place that do these cases justice and simeutaneously protect these women from sexualized violence but also the men from false accusations. obviously we can't be throwing people in prison with no evidence but yeah its all very problematic.
KeithStone582 06.18.16	Innocent until proven guilty. (2)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	anyways before this thread gets inevitably overly adversarial and turns to shit im gonna back out but good chat i hope things stay civil
DeadGuy 06.18.16	guilty until proven innocent is the reality
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	actually one last thing on the "innocent until proven guilty" thing again i specified that thats the job of the court. you are SUPPOSED to be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law and for good reason. but that doesnt apply to the public the same way. sexual assault allegations need to be taken seriously by the public is all im saying, again by no means am i saying every person accused of sexual assault should be thrown in prison. the public and the court need to make different changes as i said - for us its a matter of perception, for them its a matter of creating better systems.
KeithStone582 06.18.16	I don't understand why the public has a duty to believe every rape allegation. I don't get how that would improve laws. A lot of people never follow up with news of rape allegations, so if we assume someone is always guilty when accused of rape, then the damage is done. Most of the public will turn on them anyway.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	not 'believe'. just take seriously.
Avagantamos 06.18.16	false accusations are not actually common, I think that idea stems from actual sexual predators getting off scott free 90% of the time due to the fucked up legal system. what kind of woman would put herself through the ordeal of a sexual assault trial just to get back at some guy?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	but again i specified like 3 times now that im not saying assuming anyone is guilty so this is just redundant now.
KeithStone582 06.18.16	"so the best thing you can do with these situations is assume the allegations are true" I'm pretty sure that's saying assume they are guilty. lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	also 123 what avagantamos said. false accusations are significantly less common enough that the obvious priority should be protecting the victims before we focus on protecting people being pinned with false accusations. but again that doesnt mean thats not an issue that needs to be addressed either, like fuck one of my roomates almost had his life ruined by a chick falsely accusing him of rape to get back at him for a break up.
KeithStone582 06.18.16	"what kind of woman would put herself through the ordeal of a sexual assault trial just to get back at some guy?" Considering the psychological damage rape has on people, it really makes sense why they would.
Funeralopolis 06.18.16	"its far more important for those of us who are outside the law to protect people from rampant sexual abuse and the shitty laws surrounding it than it is to protect the public reputation of the one in every fifty or whatever guys is facing false accusations. thats the job of the court (which is a different issue entirely)." Yea it is better to have a system in place where women can accuse any man of rape and it is to be assumed to be true. That couldn't possibly have negative consequences or anything. Realistically the best thing isn't to assume anyone is guilty or not guilty, I don't know if Gira fucked her or what, it's not my place to really decide.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"I'm pretty sure that's saying assume they are guilty. lol" ok well im sorry that came out wrong obviously lets not get hung up on it as ive elaborated at this point enough that you understand what i mean i think. what i meant and should have said is that the best thing you can do as a member of the public is assume that in general there is validity to sexual assault cases. sorry for my poor wording.
KeithStone582 06.18.16	"not 'believe'. just take seriously." Who doesn't take them seriously? If anything, being skeptical of them gives testament to the seriousness of the accusation.
KeithStone582 06.18.16	@LordePots I would agree, but I also think skepticism is healthy, especially in cases as serious as rape.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"Yea it is better to have a system in place where women can accuse any man of rape and it is to be assumed to be true. That couldn't possibly have negative consequences or anything. " well a better system would deal with evidence and lack thereof in these cases that can be often hard to prove or disprove in a much better way so no it would not be like that and im really not sure how you made the logical jump to thinking that a 'better' system would assume all men accused of rape are guilty. " Realistically the best thing isn't to assume anyone is guilty or not guilty, I don't know if Gira fucked her or what, it's not my place to really decide." this is good
Avagantamos 06.18.16	"Considering the psychological damage rape has on people, it really makes sense why they would." I'm talking about women who are making false accusations. If you really are raped, then yeah take that sick fuck to court
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"Who doesn't take them seriously? If anything, being skeptical of them gives testament to the seriousness of the accusation." all the people who take the internet to say shit like "lying bitch" and brush off the issue just like that. and ive seen way more of stuff like that than i would care too unfortunately. "@LordePots I would agree, but I also think skepticism is healthy, especially in cases as serious as rape." im skeptical of some too. thats natural. but i just try to keep it to myself is the key here. Dr. Luke is my cousin and i'm sure you know about his lawsuit with Kesha...
altertide0 06.18.16	i can't believe you're discussing this again
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	fuck i keep getting roped back in
Avagantamos 06.18.16	going off on a tangent here, but on the flip side to false accusations there are plenty of sexual assaults that go unreported. like I said, going to court is a huge ordeal and brings a horrible personal experience into the public spotlight and drags it out for months or even years.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	avagant with more knowledge, the systems and laws we have in place still disencourage a lot of women from stepping up and thats a huge huge problem imo. avag you sound like you have spent at least a little time studying sociology lol
Avagantamos 06.18.16	I haven't actually. I'd also imagine the low odds of getting justice is discouraging for a lot of women, so they don't bother.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	color me surprised, you have brought up some things that i would be very unaware of if i hadnt gone for sociology
Avagantamos 06.18.16	I have a close friend who has gone through this
Keyblade 06.18.16	i remember reading a stat that something like 70% of all rapes go unreported and only 6% of the perpetrators are incarcerated, which is crazy contrast that with crimes like robbery or battery where 70% are reported and it kinda puts things into perspective
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	yeah stats like these just reinforce that the priority should be on properly bringing justice to the victims of sexual assault first and people being falsely accused second "The gira case is really complicated if you read all the accounts given by people who know gira and Grimm, not really an ideal case to study the phenomenon as a whole" yeah but with every case there are going to be people who 'know' the guy and say 'he would never do anything like that'. those are just fallacious arguments anyway. and besides, how much do you ever really 'know' someone. people are unpredictable and they change and they do fucked up shit especially in relationships. again, to bring up the kesha dr. luke thing. i know luke. if you were to ask me would he ever do something like that i'd say 'no'. but that doesnt mean he didnt and i guess i will never the real truth behind it.
Spiral Skies 06.18.16	If he's your cousin then ask him, not that it'd be as easy as that I expect haha
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	i would never ask him that plus i doubt anyone is going to secretly disclose that it totally did actually happen when they are involved with years of lawsuits saying that it didn't.
ZombieParty 06.18.16	if he's guilty he should be castrated
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	in a perfect world
Aftertheascension 06.18.16	"well yeah, that is also another issue. but the thing is we aren't going to get a better system for dealing with sexual assault until it is taken more seriously. so all i mean is that in a matter of priorities, assuming people are making false accusations is regressive in that it just perpetuates a broken system. if we shift the public perception of these cases its much more likely that we can get better laws and practices in place that do these cases justice and simeutaneously protect these women from sexualized violence but also the men from false accusations. obviously we can't be throwing people in prison with no evidence but yeah its all very problematic." The only reason it's not taken seriously enough is because of the false accusations. I don't assume they are false, I look at the evidence and make a conclusion from that. The problem is that radical feminism and social nuts are encouraging women to do this shit whether the women realize it or not. There's the extreme left saying "men rape just by looking at women" and then there's the extreme right saying "if you don't want it, it's rape, even if you don't say no". "No" = Rape. Rape doesn't mean you got drunk and had a fling and regret it after. Of course, not every case is like this. In a perfect court system, this would be the case. tl;dr, if you said no it's rape. If you didn't tell him to stop, it's not rape. "if he's guilty he should be castrated" In a perfect world.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"There's the extreme left saying "men rape just by looking at women" and then there's the extreme right saying "if you don't want it, it's rape, even if you don't say no"." ugh yeah. both polarities tend to be just insufferable. "The only reason it's not taken seriously enough is because of the false accusations. " yeah but again those false accusations are grossly misrepresented and skewed in the public eye so its also because of the false perceptions of false accusations
zaruyache 06.18.16	Did this really need to be brought up again after hundreds of shitposts in the original news article? At least nobody's started victim-shaming yet I guess.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"Of course, not every case is like this. In a perfect court system, this would be the case. tl;dr, if you said no it's rape. If you didn't tell him to stop, it's not rape. " more and more these days its becoming if you didnt vocally and specifically say yes it could be rape if you wanted it to be i will withold opinion or comment on this trend however
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	@zaru yeah tbh this thread has remained civil surprisingly long so far but im sure it will get fucked soon enough the problem with talking about shit like this on sputnik is that people intentionally start to misunderstand each other just for the sake of attacking users they don't like instead of actually having genuine arguments.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	like even if bakkermartin busted in and said the most insightful and inoffensive thing ever like 90% of the site would shit down his throat regardless.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	then spooky would show up with something really down to earth and rational but also completely out of character
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	and then everyones like wow spooky actually has a soul
Shoteru 06.18.16	We really didn't need another list for this, why not just comment on the old one?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	youll b fine man
Avagantamos 06.18.16	I don't think it would be surprising if gira is guilty, given that this is the same guy who stomped on people's fingers if they were on the stage and beat up fans for headbanging
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"We live in a culture were its easier than ever to come out, and just because police and investogators treat a case with care to make sure its legitimate(just like EVERY other major crime) doesnt mean they dont believe a victim or that it will be harder to come out" http://www.sexassault.ca/statistics.htm
someguest 06.18.16	This shit again? "given that this is the same guy who stomped on people's fingers if they were on the stage and beat up fans for headbanging" Yes, everyone that commits assault is a rapist.
Aftertheascension 06.18.16	Date rape stat should be disregarded. That is the absolute worst in false accusations and is often brought to light for social reasons. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11905639/Teenager-falsely-accused-of-rape-commits-suicide.html
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"just because police and investogators treat a case with care to make sure its legitimate(just like EVERY other major crime) doesnt mean they dont believe a victim or that it will be harder to come out" we are talking about the public not "the police and investigators". ive said before there needs to be better ways to investigate sexual assaults so people arent convicted of false accusations. however this is very very difficult to do in a manner that is waterproof as since such a high amount of sexual assaults are domestic some people who do get sexually assaulted will never have enough corroborating evidence to get justice.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	" "given that this is the same guy who stomped on people's fingers if they were on the stage and beat up fans for headbanging" Yes, everyone that commits assault is a rapist." i think its pretty rational to expect a violent person to be more likely to be sexually violent than someone who is not known to be violent
someguest 06.18.16	I think violence and sexual violence are perpetrated by two different classes of people, but I will argue that those who commit sexual violence are more likely to commit regular bodily harm. Not the other way around.
Relinquished 06.18.16	agree with guest on that
adr 06.18.16	worst list 2016
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	fair enough im just saying i dont think he's totally and completely bewilderingly retarded for being more inclined to believe an asshole is an asshole than a nice guy lol
Aftertheascension 06.18.16	"I don't think it would be surprising if gira is guilty, given that this is the same guy who stomped on people's fingers if they were on the stage and beat up fans for headbanging" 1. Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean they rape. 2. Who the fuck headbangs to swans?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"How do you calculate unreported ? That makes no sense at all, theyre unreported. Even if we try to make generalizations that make sense , it doesnt mean they reflect reality." reported to authorities. use your brain here this one isnt rocket science. "and by the way, that study says it shouldnt be used as legal advice," am i giving you legal advice? "meaning that my overall point that we should suspect every rape as innocent until proven guilty isnt wrong." i do not disagree. also ftr alchemist those stats are WITH the relatively new rape shield laws. so imagine how much worse they were without...
someguest 06.18.16	Men who take it upon themselves to defend women at every turn are a part of rape culture too, AngryLittleAlchemist. Your actions scream they can't speak for or defend themselves. The real problem with a topic of discussion like this on on Sputnik is there are no women. And therefore, your opinion really doesn't fucking matter. Either does mine. A women doesn't have to agree with what you think about culture that affects her, and she sure as hell doesn't need your small brain and even smaller penis making laws to reflect how you feel about it.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	i really dont think the guy was trying to make a direct cause and effect correlation between being an asshole and being a rapist i think he just simply is less surprised by the prospect of an asshole raping someone.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"the major complications i was talking about earlier with the case have much more to do with what grimm's bandmates have said about her than anything anyone has said about gira (which has been mixed)" aah word.
Avagantamos 06.18.16	I'm not saying violent people are rapists, I just think he doesn't seem like a very good person
someguest 06.18.16	Yeah, Grimm has done this to a dude in the past. Gira still might have done something. However, shit smearing someone on the Internet before it goes to court (if ever) really casts doubt on someone's allegations.
Sinternet 06.18.16	we really needed to discuss this issue again didn't we
someguest 06.18.16	Not what I said at all. A bunch of dudes sittin' around talking about what should be done about rape in this world is worthless. You might as well be talking about how many shakes you do at the urinal when you're done pissing.
Relinquished 06.18.16	yes we did sinternet, without you
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"When you report something to someone they dont just sit on their ass. If a rape victim reports this to the study and the people hosting the study dont contact the police than wats going on? If the study means reported to the study or someone else before going to the police.... its still being reported. I might be dumb af right now but no matter how i look at this it seems undefendable." you do a study that looks like this: "have you been sexually assaulted at any point in your life" y/n "did you report the incident to authorities" y/n its pretty simple. "My point is just that i think young men found non guilty of rape shouldnt have their lives ruined, and that every case has to be dealt carefully. The police having doubt based on evidence isnt a sign that is against victims." i just dont see where you thought i disagreed with any of that.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	and how do you propose the powers that be investigate sexual assaults that happened 10 years ago smart guy? do an archaeological excavation on the womens thighs to look for fossilized bruises that might indicate that maybe she was maybe possibly sexually assaulted by her husband but maybe also just likes rough sex ten years ago? really don't know what you are getting at. "Sorry i was a bit confused. A lot of the same people that talk about how we shouldnt talk about false rape statistics(which i think we should) are the same people who get mad at police or investigators for doing their jobs and finding out the facts. " i dont think we should not talk about them i just think we should not make assumptions with no evidence based off of personal biases etc. false rape accusations still need to be dealt with obviously. but the actual frequency at which this happens is misconstrued and that is definitely problematic for public perception of the crimes.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	" if the study reported each one to the police they would come up with more factual evidence." how do you figure "It would both show that your point is factually 100% trye" how "he study should report it, so if its a false answer or not it would provide hard evidence." what " The only thing not reportibg does is increase doubt. " what "Might as well say "99.99% of all rapes are unreported!" what
Sinternet 06.18.16	The problem is, reactionaries apply the false rape accusation tag to virtually every accusation there is. It's fine to suggest that not every accusation is correct but the constant doubting and lack of support shown to a lot of victims, particularly when high-profile cases come forward, definitely puts actual victims from reporting, something which I have seen before. One of my friends was sexually assaulted when she was 16, I saw it as did at least three other people. We knew who the guy was and we had plenty of evidence to report it, but she didn't want to report it. It really broke her mentally and she just didn't want the trouble, and despite my urging her to report it as we had so much evidence against the guy we didn't in the end because it was taking a toll on her mental health and her life, the pain of the trial and investigation would not have done her good. Eventually rumours got around and the guy turned a lot of people against her and made her out to be an attention-seeker. This is just one example of why so many rapes go unreported, and also how the false accusation rhetoric does no help to victims.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"The problem is, reactionaries apply the false rape accusation tag to virtually every accusation there is. It's fine to suggest that not every accusation is correct but the constant doubting and lack of support shown to a lot of victims, particularly when high-profile cases come forward, definitely puts actual victims from reporting, something which I have seen before." yes and yeah i personally know dozens of people who have been sexually assaulted and not reported it. not using that as an argument for anything, just sayin' it seems hella common from my shoes.
BlueSwan 06.18.16	Sorry for posting I just wanted to learn
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	dont be yr good bud
BlueSwan 06.18.16	And interesting fact key Lad really messed up ..
BlueSwan 06.18.16	Thanks for the insight pots heart emoticon
Sinternet 06.18.16	yeah thread has actually been 100x better than most sput threads
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	i try to stay away from these convos these days or if i get overpowered by my warrior keyboard fingers and get involved i at least try and stay as peaceful as possible. but i was just thinking about this earlier today a couple hours before you posted so i figured id put in my 2 cents. the thread turned out to be on the more savoury side as far as these lists tend to go so thats ~pleasant~
BlueSwan 06.18.16	I apologize if I pissed people off posting this regardless and I had no idea this was already talked about but honestly I'm glad I read through these comments your right wsinternet this was civil I'm glad or I would feel like a shit poster
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	i think most people who know you on this site know your intentions weren't shitty but for those that dont it is definitely true that alts like to come on here and just stir the pot with lists like these
BlueSwan 06.18.16	I know I'm a dick and my taste is questionable but I don't mess around with serious stuff like this again though thanks pots for contributing I did learn from this!
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	yeah i know you take this stuff seriously and np np do you have any new thoughts after reading all this?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"the police could find out if the case was legit or not" how how would the police find out if an unreported sexual assault was legit or not explain to me exactly how plz "and reporting the cases and following up would be more accurate." again, how.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	like obviously you should always take stats with a grain of salt but this is literally no less or no more reliable than like any other similar kind of survey and you don't submit those to the police to legitimize either, and just because they simply CANT isn't even one of the reasons why you don't do that. plus do you not see the moral and ethical problems with taking the results of what was like 110% likely an anonymous survey and non-anonymously supplying the information to the police?
Deathconscious 06.18.16	"Men who take it upon themselves to defend women at every turn are a part of rape culture too, AngryLittleAlchemist. Your actions scream they can't speak for or defend themselves. The real problem with a topic of discussion like this on on Sputnik is there are no women. And therefore, your opinion really doesn't fucking matter. Either does mine. A women doesn't have to agree with what you think about culture that affects her, and she sure as hell doesn't need your small brain and even smaller penis making laws to reflect how you feel about it." Lol holy shit.
Sinternet 06.18.16	No it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just some attitudes in general. And yes I don't think conclusions should be drawn before evidence is heard, the problem is this too often leads to a lack of support to victims and in certain cases the accused. Also whilst we can never put a definite statistic on unreported cases, it's quite clear that they are pretty common based on personal experiences and the experiences of others.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	word up "And also, why did you bring up that point to begin with. It doesnt contradict my original point that its safer to bring it up now than it was 10 or more years ago. That could be wrong though. All youve shown me is that more people are quietly suffering, something i never argued with." which point? that people still often don't report sexual assault? i just gave you a list of stats and you cherry picked that one... but to answer your question anyways, its relevant because you earlier said: "We live in a culture were its easier than ever to come out, and just because police and investogators treat a case with care to make sure its legitimate(just like EVERY other major crime) doesnt mean they dont believe a victim or that it will be harder to come out" and the fact that the systems in place and the attitudes of our culture in general still to this day make it so that so many people remain silent kind of goes to show that its really not buttercups and rainbow pops just yet.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"And yes I don't think conclusions should be drawn before evidence is heard, the problem is this too often leads to a lack of support to victims and in certain cases the accused. " yes
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	"The small penis part is understandable though." >;D
ScuroFantasma 06.18.16	"The real problem with a topic of discussion like this on on Sputnik is there are no women. And therefore, your opinion really doesn't fucking matter. Either does mine. A women doesn't have to agree with what you think about culture that affects her, and she sure as hell doesn't need your small brain and even smaller penis making laws to reflect how you feel about it." I know that in this case it was man on woman rape, but that shouldn't disqualify men from having an input on the topic, that's not really logical at all. And you're right victims don't have to be told how they feel, but let's not make this about gender when it doesn't need to be, because anybody can be assaulted/raped etc. If you want to talk about unreported rapes/sexual assualt cases I'm sure there's a fair few males in that category.
Rolling Girl 06.18.16	Pots is on fire.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.16	i dont understand the prevailing attitude by certain people that its offensive to have the majority (in terms of power) stick up for their agendas. seems pretty counter-intuitive to not want the people who unfortunately at the end of the day hold the key to the kingdom so to speak on your side. in regards to the whole not being any women here thing. like ive seen so many people hate on 'cisgendered white dudes' for 'speaking for us about gay rights' (in reference to them actually being and saying supportive things) and its like yo k i understand its not cool to pretend you can sympathize with someone elses very specific struggles with adversity but to straight up spit venom at people for doing nothing but merely supporting you and your fight for equality is just othering yourself further and that is super counterintuitive to any sort of progress... 2016 IS A WEIRD TIME MY FRIENDS
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.19.16	sorry that was a kind of random digression. back on topic... "Wow sorry this whole thing was kind of a misunderstanding. Sorry pots. " sall good dude, good chat
ScuroFantasma 06.19.16	I agree, I'm not sure I understand the position either because if your cause isn't looking for support or acceptance from the 'majority' that your challenging, what exactly is the goal?
Snake. 06.19.16	judging by their shitty music i definitely believe michael gira did it
Asdfp277 06.19.16	completely lost on this discussion, but saw the "no st8s allowed to mourn!!" shit and yeah it's stupid af and annoying and me and the gay community i hang around with thinks it's dumb and annoying too, and denounce it whenever we can seems to be confined to the internet tho, irl people here ain't insane (?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.19.16	i think its more that people just keep that shit to themselves irl lol the internet brings all the bullshit out tho
BlueSwan 06.19.16	Snake will do it
BlueSwan 06.19.16	But pots I learned that people are really divided in the whole"guilty until proven innocent thing" I think it was you that said it best that we have to take the claim seriously when someone accuses another of rape but we still have to wait until proof is rpresented before we point fingers at either party , it's sad what a shit storm it can become and I'm glad that no one else here has sympathy for rape or being a pedophile or anything of that matter.
BlueSwan 06.19.16	And appreantly being a white male makes you racist by default at least that's what I've been told
runaways 06.19.16	I agree strongly with what LordePots has said
CaliggyJack 06.19.16	To be quite honest, I tend to have a harder time taking someone's accusation seriously if the first thing they do, instead of going to police, is talk about it on the internet. And I don't mean anonymously, I mean people know WHO is making the accusation, in Grimm's case. However, I am not a part of the court system, so how I feel about it means zip to nothing. sigh A long time ago I got accused of rape, it more or less started as a rumor, and escalated horribly to the point I was ostracized by everyone. Nobody knew who this "rape victim" was. All they were told by the rumor mobs was that apparently "I raped someone". That was all they needed to treat me like garbage. I don't think I ever got passed that. To be clear, I am 21 years old and a virgin, the story is inconceivable. To be accused of such a thing when you are innocent is one of the most mentally fucked up things to happen to you, and when the public takes it at face value and believes the accusation without other thought, they take it upon themselves to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner. It is just how humanity works. I have such a hard time dating women because I am slightly afraid of being accused in the same manner. The loneliness that comes with that just makes the situation worse. I just can't bring myself to trust them to that degree, and it sucks. TL;DR it fucking sucks and I don't care who the guilty party is. When this guilty party is revealed, they can rot in jail for all I care.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.19.16	im very sorry for that caliggy
CaliggyJack 06.20.16	I don't even live there anymore. So there's that. But thank you.