Slut: Game of thrones season finale was awful

Slut 06.15.15	Was not nicer dicer
Judio! 06.15.15	So fucking awful. Fuck this show. Fuck.
Judio! 06.15.15	FUCK
Slut 06.15.15	You can say that again
Relinquished 06.15.15	amazing show, I always love how it doesn't give a fuck; so natural.
CK 06.15.15	"amazing show, I always love how it doesn't give a fuck; so natural." I agree hard with this statement in a sense. I have no beef with the decisions they made. It's not all flowers and happiness which is great. Also I knew that was going to happen to that character honestly. My beef is with the execution of the show in this season. For example, the siege of Winterfell was insanely uneventful.
Slut 06.15.15	Did nothing but set stuff up. All the show does is set stuff up
Judio! 06.15.15	Agreed with Relinquished too. This finale in particular just sucked.
SonofSnow 06.15.15	I kinda wish they would have spent the budget on the siege of winterfell instead of Hardhome
Nocturnalize 06.15.15	I thought it was pretty dope tbh
Strider 06.15.15	Game of Thrones writers need to find some chill
Frippertronics 06.15.15	for tha watch
Mike08 06.15.15	Wow! I just made a nice post about the show and the reasons I'm done with the show, and then it says "Your comment is too long". It would have been nice to know that ahead of time! Fuck. So here is the abbreviated version. I'm done because of: SPOILERS!!*** 1. Story fatigue. Every show hits this, but this one has over this season. 2. I don't really care about any of the characters. Stannis was one of the last, and that pretty much leaves Tyrion. He did a whole lot of nothing this season. I loved Arya, and she was left pushing a broom this whole season. 3. Dorne, Mareen, could have been cut entirely from the story. I kind of hate Dany's story. She was cool, but for 2 season's it's been "Free The Slaves". Anyone rooting for Dany has to admit she is immensely ill equipped to rule any land. The simple minded Dorne and especially Kings Landing. An
CK 06.15.15	Watch the 4
CK 06.15.15	@Mike, press the back button on your browser and the comment will most likely be there the way it was before you pressed enter
Mike08 06.15.15	4. GRRM sadism is getting tiring, and inappropriate for the characters progression. I'll slightly excuse the burning of Stannis' daughter, because it was going to come inevitably, but what about good old Jamie raping Cersi in front of their son's corpse? Sansa rape? It's not getting MORE heavy handed, it's just that these don't progress the character's as good people. Tommen is a pansy for not doing ANYTHING. 5. Scenes that are supposed to be interesting are too short, and others are way too long. Tell me you didn't feel robbed for not seeing the battle for Winterfell? And then magically, Brienne pops up to kill Stannis. Tacky. Cersi humiliation is too long. Sansa's part felt unresolved. 6. The whole white walker narrative has been mishandled for 3 seasons now. They were in the 1st episode. They were told about in whisper, then they are spotted on the wall, then they march full force on the wall, then- NOTHING. They disappear. What happened? Sam was there so I know it wasn't that long of a walk back. Then what, they are turning eyes blue? I told my roommate that if the white walkers really wanted to do something, they should go into a village, kill everyone then raise them for their army. At least they followed suit finally in episode 7? 8? But their movement is random. It's bad when people say, "Winter is coming" and I'm now thinking, "for the love of God, come already." I'll stop for tonight.
Mike08 06.15.15	I tried to recover it by clicking back, no luck. Oh well, thanks though. I'm not here to just bicker about GoT, but this has been building up this whole season, with the only decent episode being the White Walker one. Even though that had spots of bad pacing.
Slut 06.15.15	GRRM sadism is getting tiring, and inappropriate for the characters progression. I'll slightly excuse the burning of Stannis' daughter, because it was going to come inevitably, but what about good old Jamie raping Cersi in front of their son's corpse? Sansa rape? It's not getting MORE heavy handed, it's just that these don't progress the character's as good people. Tommen is a pansy for not doing ANYTHING. I'm not sure what you mean by this
Gameofmetal 06.15.15	incredible finale tbh
Slut 06.15.15	This whole season has had bad pacing
Happy2review 06.15.15	If you're going to kill off an adored character on the final scene of the season, you'd better have a good reason other than shock value. I have a very mixed opinion on season 5, but to end it so distastefully... #Shame
Judio! 06.15.15	^well said
CK 06.15.15	I feel like it honestly was shock value. My reason being... SPOILERS MUTHA FUCKERZ because we just spent 5 seasons explaining how Jon Snow is a badass and can't be brought down by anything, and then a few people come at him with knives and he faulters? No...
FacelessMan 06.15.15	cliffhanger man...cliffhanger, read the books
Slut 06.15.15	Yeah him dying just didn't feel right. When past characters I liked died it was fine I guess but I did not enjoy that.
Slut 06.15.15	read the books Are we not allowed to judge the show on its own merits ?
Mike08 06.15.15	You can scratch the last sentence off as it doesn't fit. (This post was a mind dump). GoT has always been sadistic. Ramsey has been sadistic, Geoffry was sadistic, same goes for Dany's 1st and 2nd husband, Reek to some degree. Part of this complaint boils down to simply fatigue of the violence (especially since the show is REALLY starting to drag now), and the way that it is used as a tool for sensationalism and instead diminishes or destroys individual character. Take Stannis and Jamie. Both were characters you've rooted for in some degree. Stannis goes and burns his daughter to a crisp. Yes, he was prompted with urgency of Ramsey's raid, but he had so many kind scenes with his daughter. And the WIFE is the one that breaks down once she is burned? She's been nothing but a bitch to the daughter. Anyways, Stannis' killing his daughter felt really out of character, and goes forth. Because of this action, the army and importantly the audience hate him, when that hadn't been the case for the entire show. Same can be said about Jamie. He was on a redemption arc, and then he goes and rapes Cersi. Finally, lets move on to Sansa's rape which frankly is the worst offender. It seemed like it accomplished nothing. (Do we feel more sorry for Sansa? Do we think Ramsey is more evil?) I don't. We already knew both of these things, and the final shot of the episode just left a bad taste in my mouth.
Slut 06.15.15	Sansa's doesn't have an ark. Bad things happen to her and that's her character. And I kinda agree with the violence fatigue to some degree
Mike08 06.15.15	Writing is usually a lot better, sorry. I just have been angry at this season, and I just wrote a whole fluid post about my complaints, just to have it say "Too Long".
SPRFanOf5H 06.15.15	well the jon snow theory just got shut down. the books didnt say whether jon snow was really dead or not, despite what happened which appear in both book and show. Well, Jon Snow is officially dead according to the actor himself, Kit Harrington. You know nothing, Jon Snow. Line couldn't be more true.
Slut 06.15.15	I've been angry at this season too I understand
Gameofmetal 06.15.15	"Sansa's doesn't have an ark. Bad things happen to her and that's her character." entirely wrong, she has grown tremendously, especially of late Jaime did not rape Cersei, the scene just wasn't shot clearly as it should have to get the true point across, it was consensual I don't think Jon is actually dead, Melisandre is the fan favorite for bringing him back although he might warg into ghost. Either way his arc is far from done I think, and I don't think we've seen the last of him
Gameofmetal 06.15.15	"well the jon snow theory just got shut down. the books didnt say whether jon snow was really dead or not, despite what happened which appear in both book and show. Well, Jon Snow is officially dead according to the actor himself, Kit Harrington." holy shit nvm, what the hell is even going on now, that makes no sense
Slut 06.15.15	Sansa doesn't do anything tho. The most she has done is the tower candle thing but things happen to her for the most part
Judio! 06.15.15	"well the jon snow theory just got shut down. the books didnt say whether jon snow was really dead or not, despite what happened which appear in both book and show. Well, Jon Snow is officially dead according to the actor himself, Kit Harrington." Nah I'm still pretty sure there's still a change they'll bring him back. What better way to shock the audience then by leaving everyone in doubt for 9 months?
SPRFanOf5H 06.15.15	http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview?hootPostID=ce77e7a93ae80f94827bd2b809939bba he's not coming back sadly
Judio! 06.15.15	You know nothing, SPRFan ;]
Happy2review 06.15.15	That scene where Jon Snow slayed the white walker was one of the most tense scenes of GoT. And if he had died there, I wouldn't have criticized the show for it. That white walker battle was the high point of the season.
SonofSnow 06.15.15	50 bucks he comes back at some point.
Slut 06.15.15	If the walker killed him it def would have been much better. Idk night watchmen seemed really petter and butthurt when they killed him
Gameofmetal 06.15.15	Sansa has quite a bit of progression, just gotta pay more attention bro Idk about Jon Snow, that's fishy but I don't see how he could be dead. It makes no sense. Hopefully it's a troll
Slut 06.15.15	I do pay attention. She has a little, but not nearly enough. She's probably one of my least favorite characters
Mike08 06.15.15	Guys I have a thought and I'd like to be proven wrong on this one. Dany is the only suitable one left to be leader. MAYBE Tyrion by her side. Even though Dany will need the lifespan of a whitewalker to reach that maturity level, she is the last one vying for the throne. Cersi, Tommen, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Margery, Jon, Sam are too self-centered in their own plot for the King's Landing ruling. The only narrative that could be interesting, and slightly possible is Tommen and Margery ruling and taking over Cersi's power. (Peter has always lingered in the background as a powerhouse- but he would never choose to BE the actual ruler) This show will just slowly crawl toward that conclusion...
Slut 06.15.15	Yeah in 7 years
wayfaringstranger 06.15.15	Kit Harington has already been spotted filming for S6, Jon Snow is definitely coming back in some form or another. Melisandre already mentioned how the red priests have the ability to resurrect characters (Beric Dondarrion being resurrected three times or w/e), so they would not have focused on her getting back to the Wall without it meaning her being there would have some significance. He'll be resurrected.
Riviere 06.15.15	I was waiting for Jon to say "I don't deserve this". So sad right now:( How many more rugs will be pulled from under our feet?
wayfaringstranger 06.15.15	But yeah the finale was frustrating as ever. Love the show, love the risks, but it's the one show that you hate to love because the heart-crushing scenes never end
Happy2review 06.15.15	Meanwhile, the one death the audience wanted, wasn't explicitly shown.
Slut 06.15.15	Are you referring to Stannis ?
Happy2review 06.15.15	Yeah
Strider 06.15.15	Stannis isn't dead though
DoofusWainwright 06.15.15	Lol - suck it up crybabies you'll all be back for more next year
Judio! 06.15.15	sad, but true
Happy2review 06.15.15	Jon Snow better stay dead. Valar morghulis.
SPRFanOf5H 06.15.15	Funny, I assumed Stannis died by Brieanne executing him. By the way, the new Kingguard solider who carried Cersei after the walk of shame is a fucking behemoth.
gagnonov 06.15.15	that's the Mountain.
SPRFanOf5H 06.15.15	is it really? fucking resurrected, he seems alot bulkier than before
Nocturnalize 06.15.15	He never died retard
BandNewbac 06.15.15	i feel like the show might be trying a bit too hard to surprise us book readers. as if they feel like they need to shock people that think they know what is going to happen because of the books. this was especially apparent with the stannis burning scene. as mike said it was very out of character and seemed pretty unnecessary for the story other than to soften the blow of what happened to stannis in the end. i guess what i'm trying to say is that they should stop worrying about shock factor when writing and concentrate on getting the viewers to have connections with the characters. also the way jon was "killed" off was way more brutal than it should have been. they could have made is "death" just as impactful without more mindless violence.
Deviant. 06.15.15	They've dropped enough hints on the show alone to tell you that Jon Snow's story isn't done yet. The only reason Melisandre would even be placed at the wall by the writers/GRRM is to resurrect him. How would he be able to break his vows as a member of the night's watch and be free again? By dying. Jon Snow is dead, but Azor Ahai lives
Gameofmetal 06.15.15	Deviant clears shit up, thx based Dev he is right all is well I think Stannis might live, but might not, fucking cutaway shots
dimsim3478 06.15.15	nah i'm thinkin stannis is dead. it's his time. how would sansa and theon survive that fall, seriously?
Gameofmetal 06.15.15	that was unrealistic tbh but whatever, I know they'll survive
Ignimbrite 06.15.15	Dev's got it right What is hype may never die, Jon Starkgaryen, The Last Azor That Was Promised, etc etc etc yeah bruh he ain't dead
AmericanFlagAsh 06.15.15	Fuck that was heartbreaking So much happened Show is amazing. So good at pulling shit like that.
Ignimbrite 06.15.15	Jon warged into Olly, Benjen warged into a wooden plank fucking confirmed
AmericanFlagAsh 06.15.15	I hate everybody who says that was a bad episode just because some tragic stuff happened That's ignorant
Mongi123 06.15.15	I thought the finale was good but rushed. Very sad to see jon go cause he didn't deserve that shit. He was an honorable dude among many dishonored people. Cersei's atonement was fucked up as shit but it felt super real and she got what was coming to her, character wise. As for the rushed part, the winter fell "siege" happening off screen was very disappointing and Stanis? Are you dead? And Sansa and Theon: did they kill themselves or something or just jump into lots of snow? Those questions being unanswered for the sake of time(seemingly) was unnecessary. Flaws aside, still better than most television nowadays and I liked it.
adr 06.15.15	Pretty much agreed with everything you said Mongi. It was rushed. The hole season was a bit of a mess tbh. Overall mixed feelings for the season. Really slow start and then few "let's shock the viewers with few moments" . Shireen and Jon death's were a bit too much ugh. Hope Jon is still alive or be resurrected by Melisandre or something. I liked everything else tho.
adr 06.15.15	also lmao Theon and Sansa. How are they supposed to survive that jump?
Ovrot 06.15.15	ROBERT STRONG GET HYPE
AmericanFlagAsh 06.15.15	I'm guessing they landed in snow. Idk. It was a bit funny.
MattTD 06.15.15	Thought it was the best season yet tbh. Sure, couple of the storylines amounted to a big load of nothing but what it did well, it did stunningly well
KeithStone582 06.15.15	I disagree with all the people complaining about the show not showing the siege of Winterfell. By that point, it was hopeless. Stannis was going to die, and the battle was decided. The show had no reason to show any fighting, story wise.
AmericanFlagAsh 06.15.15	One thing that I don't understand is why we didn't get to see Stannis dying. Why cut away? That's so dumb. #justiceforRenly
adr 06.15.15	I hope Stannis is alive tbh
AmericanFlagAsh 06.15.15	I really don't think he is. Idk. Who would have helped him? I loved how Melisandre was just like "lol bye have fun"
baldymort 06.15.15	i thought it was the best episode in the show yet. every plotline was phenomenal. cercei's atonment scene was ridiculously brutal, showing the entire walk down. as awful as she is, i really hope she lays the fucking punish on these sparrow blokes.
danielito19 06.15.15	never seen the show but i'm sick n fuckin tired of hearing about bla bla bla jon snow you know nothing!!! winter is coming lol!!! and any kind of speculation. i could not care less
adr 06.15.15	seems like you care a lot for something you haven't seen
Flugmorph 06.15.15	FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
danielito19 06.15.15	ehh everyone in my friend group watches it and i don't really watch tv so i'm kinda the odd one out, it's just annoying
ZippaThaRippa 06.15.15	For some reason I just can't see Brienne killing Stannis. There could only be one reason why they didn't actually show him being killed. I think he'll probably be alright. I'm also positive Jon will be resurrected. Melisandre literally just arrived and obviously the red priests have the ability to revive the dead. That and she showed a lot of interest in Jon. On top of which, she just lost her precious boojangle and she'll be looking for another plaything to help her along in her quest of world domination.
SPRFanOf5H 06.15.15	http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/exclusive-game-thrones-kit-harington-jon-snow-death-article-1.2255546 Harrington reinforces that Snow is dead. He isn't coming back, this isn't the last interview reinforcing this shit. Whatever rumors are with him filming on S6 is bullshit at the moment.
MO 06.15.15	this season felt so fucking rushed. some really REALLY shitty writing from D & D
LepreCon 06.15.15	Season 6 hasn't started filming yet at all. Jon will be rezzed, obviously he isn't going to say "lel no i not ded lel" the day after the shocking finale, some things have to kept a surprise. This season was the worst but still good, 'Hardhome' was the best episode of the entire series thus far.
ZippaThaRippa 06.15.15	Well of course he would say that he isn't coming back. If he said he was coming back it would ruin the cliffhanger suspense that they worked up.
apert 06.15.15	Jon isn't gone forever, I almost guarantee he'll be back in some form. The more the show diverges from the books the more apparent it becomes that the writers have no idea what they're doing. But it is one of the guys who wrote Troy so unsurprising I suppose. I'd say this was the worst season so far.
Flugmorph 06.15.15	that white walker vs. jon battle was the most tense scene this season, agreed. when he finally finished him there i had to let out a cry of relief. really thought he would die there for a moment
LepreCon 06.15.15	A nearly invicible White Walker? No problem! A bunch of ruffians and rapists with knives? Fucked! But then again look what they did with Ser Barristan
Flugmorph 06.15.15	Jon warged into Olly, Benjen warged into a wooden plank never laughed that hard today
Judio! 06.15.15	"This season was the worst but still good, 'Hardhome' was the best episode of the entire series thus far." Agreed with the first part but how was Hardhome the best episode of the series? It was the best of the season for sure and had an awesome ending, but how's it better than the season 4 finale or "The Rains of Castamere"?
Slut 06.15.15	I'm just going to assume he meant season lol
Flugmorph 06.15.15	ser barristan omg.
AmericanFlagAsh 06.15.15	Hardhome is pretty close to being best of the series agreed
Gestapo 06.15.15	for the wathc
LepreCon 06.15.15	@Judio!: because it was perfection, the finale for Season 4 was a letdown, Rains of Castamere was awesome but not quite as good. The entire episode treated what was IN the book with actual respect unseen since Season 3 and the deviations weren't actually bullshit: the dialogue between Dany and Tyrion was excellent and clever, the "HOLY FUCK!!!" revelation that Valyrian steel kills WWs as well as Jon killing the WW, the tracking shot that took place before Jon and the Thenn went into the burning hut, when the WW appeared, when the Night's King walked to the end of the pier and raised the dead, the cool but shirt-lived wildling woman, the Mastodon cameo and tl;dr it's my opinion and I respect yours but Hardhome ruled HARD
AmericanFlagAsh 06.15.15	Ok now you have lost me Comparing the show with the book is dumb Blah blah blah that's not how it goes in the book blah blah blah
Mesm277 06.15.15	I don't know who I want to "win" and I'm not sure if that's a good thing
Slut 06.15.15	Yeah people bring the book up get annoying
Judio! 06.15.15	@LepreCon Alright dude I definitely see where you're coming from. Just wasn't as thrilling to me as a lot of other episodes, but maybe in time I'll look back on it and realize how much it blew my mind. I can't believe you'd say the season 4 finale was a letdown though, that's probably my favorite episode in the entire series.
JWT155 06.15.15	Fuckin' Olly.
dbizzles 06.15.15	Not enough rape, tbh.
TalonsOfFire 06.15.15	It was a good episode but this season was definitely rushed and messy, still great though. If anything, it just makes me excited to see where the story goes from here, in the books and the show. This is the perfect time to release The Winds of Winter since all fans are pretty much on the same page and can't really spoil anymore between the two mediums.
yuneek 06.15.15	it wasn't even shocking when jon snow died b/c all the shocks have been used up already and we're desensitized. Everyone just needs to die already varys enslave everyone.
Judio! 06.15.15	"It was a good episode...If anything, it just makes me excited to see where the story goes from here, in the books and the show." I mean yeah it certainly left me excited see what happens next, but for a finale it was extremely unsatisfying. If it were a mid-season finale I'd understand but the left left us hanging on just about every plot line they established this season, and the fact that we now have to wait 9 months or whatever to see how they're gonna wrap up all the storylines they introduced this season is beyond frustrating. I'm used to nasty GoT cliffhangers of course but I'm more anxious to see the answers to the questions that the finale failed to answer than whatever new storylines are gonna be introduced, if that makes sense. Decent episode but shitty, shitty finale.
rockandmetaljunkie 06.15.15	Fucking loved that finale. Let's kill every motherfucker. Valar Morghulis !!!
TalonsOfFire 06.15.15	Judio that's exactly how most bookreaders felt at the end of the last two books, particularly A Dance with Dragons, which is pretty much where this season left off with in terms of plotlines, so it makes sense :/
Judio! 06.15.15	Ah, well that's a bummer. Haven't read the books or anything so I guess I didn't expect such an unsatisfying finale, oh well.
TalonsOfFire 06.15.15	Just think how exciting and amazing these last two or three seasons will be, a lot of this season was set-up. Also consider checking out the books, they're amazing and the sixth one will probably be out by the time you finish reading the first five haha
Slut 06.15.15	This season was nothing but set ups
Gameofmetal 06.15.15	Until the last three episodes
JWT155 06.15.15	At least Game of Thrones is less predictable then Silicon Valley.
Titan 06.15.15	agreed with Zippa
wwf 06.15.15	unrelated to Game of Thrones directly but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPAloq5MCUA 'drama happens when a character learns a new piece of information' The setup in Game of Thrones for the most part has been the best part of the show, for every move the characters make there is quite a bit of reaction that happens far down the line. That's why it's annoying to me to see people cry foul whenever a certain odd plot point that wasn't in the books is revealed, it's impossible to know whether the writers made a good decision without knowing what exactly is coming up next, especially when we're reaching the end of many book storylines. That said it is really irritating that we've spent so many episodes in Dorne and it hasn't led to much, and the Theon/ Sansa scene was somewhat cheesy and the assassination of Jon Snow felt kind of rushed and I was rather detached from it, which is odd because I really like Jon as a character. But I'm not ready to give up on Game of Thrones yet because I'd like to believe it is all adding up to something. I haven't personally read the books but from what I've heard at this point in the books there isn't a whole lot more going on, but I'd still like to believe that both the show and the books are adding up to something big still even if there have been some really shitty scenes this season. Anyway that's my rant on this show.
AmericanFlagAsh 06.15.15	I think you're missing the point of Silicon Valley. Show is hilarious.
DoofusWainwright 06.15.15	Finally watched - great stuff For the watch x7? Ouch
DoofusWainwright 06.15.15	Still think the pinnacle of the show so far was the prolonged sense of dread leading up to the red wedding but this season had some of the best scenes so far - hardhome, rigg vs pryce, little finger vs roose, the fighting pit, stone men, all top draw material. Downside? Dorne and some of Bravos fell flat
LepreCon 06.15.15	Yeah no the whole Dorne side was a pisstake especially the Sandsnakes minus the bewbs from your one that time. Also I don't really care whether someone's read the books or not, in fact I sometimes wish I hadn't.
hal1ax 06.16.15	books 4 and 5 are a lot of setup, so they didn't have much to work with honestly. I'm sure a lot of questions will be answered in book/season 6. also, george martin accidentally said, at a convention, that Jon Snow does still have an arc in book 6 =O
Gameofmetal 06.16.15	^ bichboi tbh
zaruyache 06.16.15	I just want the sixth book come on old man pleeease. Also of course Snow's not dead in the books, at the very least his brain gets mooshed into his wolf for a while until his personality fades away, but I doubt something that lame will happen. He'll become the the Chosen One and bring balance to the Force and free the princess to save Hyrule or wtf ever.
Taxt 06.16.15	It would make NO narrative sense to have Jon be dead permanently. Who else at The Wall is going to carry that story, especially now that Sam peaced out? Not to mention the convenience of a character who can resurrect the dead showing up right before he dies. Of course the actor & show runners are going to say he's not coming back the day after the finale airs, what other choice do they have? Overall, this season maintained the GoT MO: It's still extremely well crafted (acting, production design, etc.) and has some excellent moments, but suffers from uneven pacing and a whole lot of narrative wheel-spinning leading to a general sense of frustration.
Scoot 06.16.15	hardhome was far and away the best episode of the season
Slut 06.16.15	Overall, this season maintained the GoT MO: It's still extremely well crafted (acting, production design, etc.) and has some excellent moments, but suffers from uneven pacing and a whole lot of narrative wheel-spinning leading to a general sense of frustration. Well said
hal1ax 06.16.15	Melisandre and Tormund giants bane could fulfill the, character-at the wall-point of view. But i agree, killing jon off would be idiotic considering he's one of the most interesting characters right now. also, i am kind of pissed they killed off Barriston Selmy... he's definitely still kicking ass at the end of book 5...
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.16.15	all i hear is bitches trippin about jon snow but all i care about is that they didnt actually show stannis die and sup wit dat i MUST know
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.16.15	"But i agree, killing jon off would be idiotic considering he's one of the most interesting characters right now" yeah and then the show would be "herp derp all your favourite heroes are SAFE" and be completely unrealistic like every other show ever
hal1ax 06.16.15	well, jon is the closest pov character link to understanding the white walkers... so him dying would kind of stifle the whole beyond the wall arc. and ya the stannis plot line is getting exciting. dying for book6
Ovrot 06.16.15	you are missing the best thing SER ROBERT STRONG HYPE
DoofusWainwright 06.16.15	Strangest thing about this season is it's the first I didn't feel one actor/character stood out as exceptional/my favourite. Season 1 was Dinklage, Season 2 was Charles Dance, Season 3 Dianna Rigg and Season 4 was The Hound actor (sorry Hound actor I can't be bothered to look up your name) Closest I can get is I really think Roose Bolton is excellent every scene he's in but that's not too many the sneak
Polyethylene 06.16.15	Great episode. This season could and should have been a fucking mess. Instead, the showrunners took two ponderous and uneventful books and turned them into one solid season of television. That's commendable. The finale was always going to end on a bunch of cliffhangers, as A Dance With Dragons ended that way.
Polyethylene 06.16.15	My money is on Jon getting resurrected, Stannis probably not being dead, and Myrcella... we'll have to wait and see.
Happy2review 06.16.15	Jonathan Pryce's (High Sparrow) performance stood out to me.
MeatSalad 06.16.15	i mean, on it's own, the scenes were great the problem is that they're all cock tease cliffhanger BULLSHIT FUCK YOU, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SCENE ENDS ON A CLIFFHANGER
Flugmorph 06.16.15	I cheer for roose now.
Flugmorph 06.16.15	Im really sad about mysella's fate for some reason. Her and jamie seemed so lovely together
DoofusWainwright 06.16.15	Happy - Pryce was excellent, you're right he might be the closest to a standout performer
Psynuts 06.16.15	i dont think mysella had any potential, and it does make sense that she dies there. As for john snow, im not so sure, somehow i think we will see him back in some form but if thats a good thing,hmmmm... Regardless season 5 wasnt the best one, i do like the scenes with theon and sansa, she should hate him but she still has empathy for him, really well done.
DoofusWainwright 06.16.15	Why bring in reincarnation/red priests/Lord of light through the brotherhood wb if you don't use the plot device later on? Jon's going to be reborn 100% This is also why they ditched Lady SH - using that plot device more than once for a main character on TV would have seen eyes rolling from here until eternity tbh A good plot device to use once - and they will. Show writers know what they're doing imo
Deviant. 06.16.15	They could effectively bring in Lady Stoneheart at a later date as well, after they potentially (re)introduce the ability to bring people back to life. The writers have said in the past that they're deliberately doing things in a different order, and certain key elements of the story that we think have been cut may still come. All speculation of course, but I agree with the idea that it would be more powerful to bring Jon back first, and then once the idea is firmly cemented within the viewer's minds, then you could expand on it somewhat
anarchistfish 06.16.15	this show is gonna give me life long trust issues
zaruyache 06.16.15	he said he's not coming back and from the way the interview's worded I have to believe him. I guess they could just follow Sam instead of the Wall for one season, then bring John back in season 7 right before the wall comes down and the walkers come over, or w/e. Ignoring the wall for an entire season seems pretty iffy, though.
Flugmorph 06.16.15	for the watch http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/come-at-me-crow?bffb&utm_term=4ldqpgp#.ynb8v0nyE
Flugmorph 06.16.15	stannis the mannis
Flugmorph 06.16.15	i would buy from tyrell records
JokineAugustus 06.16.15	"that was unrealistic tbh but whatever, I know they'll survive" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu3lU3UWViA
zaruyache 06.16.15	Jorah the Explorer and Go Dario Go omfg I cant
Gameofmetal 06.17.15	fuck daario tbh, he's such a doucher in the books. in the show he's aight but jorah is the best for sure
Deviant. 06.17.15	"he said he's not coming back and from the way the interview's worded I have to believe him." Sure it's entirely possible, but he (and the writers) aren't just going to end the season with THAT final shot and then immediately announce that he'll be coming back
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.17.15	agreed so many ppl are like "hurp they said hes deffs ded so he must be ded" which makes 0 sense
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.17.15	also as non gore shy as the show is they wouldnt not show stannis dying unless there was more to it tbh.
Deviant. 06.17.15	Plus it's uncharted territory for the book readers as well (and we've been waiting nearly 5 fucking years!!) so it's double the reason to outright deny the possibility. If he is back I feel sorry for the guys who are in charge of keeping it under wraps
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.17.15	123
Gameofmetal 06.17.15	"also as non gore shy as the show is they wouldnt not show stannis dying unless there was more to it tbh." for real, I'm so concerned with that split cutaway shot. for gods sake stannis is the mannis he can't die to that giant she bitch
Gameofmetal 06.17.15	If you look at the other main deaths, it's clear their character progression and plot was done. There was nowhere to go with them. Jon Snow just seems unfinished to me and that's why I think he'll come back in some fashion
Slut 06.17.15	Agreed
MeatSalad 06.17.15	"Sure it's entirely possible, but he (and the writers) aren't just going to end the season with THAT final shot and then immediately announce that he'll be coming back" yeah this is the thing, after the red wedding was happening, there were tweets and interviews and shit about how bittersweet and sad it was between all the cast members that died because they were all leaving the show for good, but in this case they can't just admit he's coming back next season so they're basically straight up lying to try and keep people surprised it's painfully obvious he's going to be resurrected by melisandre
Ignimbrite 06.17.15	"Harrington reinforces that Snow is dead. He isn't coming back, this isn't the last interview reinforcing this shit. Whatever rumors are with him filming on S6 is bullshit at the moment." do you even read the books
DrMaximus 06.17.15	Jon always comes back
Ignimbrite 06.17.15	"you are missing the best thing SER ROBERT STRONG HYPE" and yeah. fucking confirmed, hype level = all the fucking chickens in this room
MeatSalad 06.17.15	also I can't believe they haven't done the lady stoneheart thing, people that haven't read the books would've eaten that shit up
Deviant. 06.17.15	Repost: "They could effectively bring in Lady Stoneheart at a later date as well, after they potentially (re)introduce the ability to bring people back to life. The writers have said in the past that they're deliberately doing things in a different order, and certain key elements of the story that we think have been cut may still come. All speculation of course, but I agree with the idea that it would be more powerful to bring Jon back first, and then once the idea is firmly cemented within the viewer's minds, then you could expand on it somewhat"
CK 06.17.15	"do you even read the books" do you even watch the show by this, I mean that it sounds like the writers are starting to do their own thing
Gameofmetal 06.17.15	I think they at least succeeded in putting everyone in the middle of a giant debate over this
zaruyache 06.17.15	"sounds like the writers are starting to do their own thing" bit of an understatement imo. They got rid of a bunch of stuff and changed other things around a ton. I felt the bits in Dorne were pretty useless, but that figures since all the Dorne stuff in the book was also fairly useless outside of introducing the Sand Snakes individually, because apparently girls be cray cray and will be relevant later or something. I think one of the people at the Citadel with Sam is thought to be one of the girls? Who knows what they're up to.
Gameofmetal 06.17.15	the best part of the book-dorne plot was arriane and doran
Ignimbrite 06.17.15	"by this, I mean that it sounds like the writers are starting to do their own thing" the writers doing their own thing is pretty far-removed from the writers removing something that's absolutely crucial to the story's endgame. it'd be like killing Luke Skywalker in the middle of The Empire Strikes Back except there's no Leia to fall back on shit analogy, but you get my point
Flugmorph 06.17.15	that analogy was shit indeed
Flugmorph 06.17.15	hehe anal-ogy =shit
Flugmorph 06.17.15	omg pls stahp flug
Ignimbrite 06.17.15	...ok, a better analogy: ASSUMING THAT, in the books, Jon is Starkgaryenzorhai That Was Promised etc etc, and that he still has a major role to play in the series' endgame (which all the evidence strongly suggests as being true), the showrunners killing off Jon permanently right now would be akin to if Dany had died at the end of season 1. it's not just an alteration of the story: it's a complete removal of something that's absolutely crucial to the series' endgame.
Ignimbrite 06.17.15	clarification: it'd be like them killing Dany in season 1 even though she's still alive as of ADwD
CK 06.17.15	A true analrapist
Gameofmetal 06.17.15	there's a petition to bring back jon snow going around it's like they don't know what game of thrones is lmao besides he's coming back anyway
Psynuts 06.17.15	i bet theres a petition for pretty much anything u can think. Funny that these petitioners dont realize that the writers will just do whatever they want, I mean there have been multiple examples of that. But its a good thing, I wouldnt even wanna know what this show would be like if it was created by the fans.
zaruyache 06.17.15	"the writers doing their own thing is pretty far-removed from the writers removing something that's absolutely crucial to the story's endgame." Critical to the *book's endgame. Without the last two books written the show writers have been given the weird opportunity to do whateverthehell they want with the ending, so they don't have* to keep Jon in their version of the assumed "endgame" scenario if they don't want their stories to spoil the last books, or if they just want to do things differently. I don't have much of a problem with them killing Jon so long as they don't make it dumb, but putting his brain in a wolf is kind of dumb anyway so... eh whatever.
MeatSalad 06.17.15	I feel like dany will die at the end in a fiery blaze as her and her dragons try to stem the tide of white walkers, complete with weak cgi and green screen aliasing
MeatSalad 06.17.15	Also I'd be surprised if the show ending ends up being drastically different from the books, since GRRM has told them a lot of the essential shit he has planned already
apert 06.17.15	forget about GOT, True Detective season 2 starts in like a week
Ignimbrite 06.17.15	Hannibal is also airing
Gameofmetal 06.17.15	"I feel like dany will die at the end in a fiery blaze as her and her dragons try to stem the tide of white walkers, complete with weak cgi and green screen aliasing" cgi's been pretty decent for a tv show actually im syked for true detective too
zaruyache 06.17.15	I'm excited for when HBO starts their Foundation series too.
LambsBread 06.18.15	i dont think Jon or Stannis are dead, they are either going to be saved by the Fire God or are going to come back as zombies like Catelyn Stark, both of their scenes didn't actually show them dying, especially in the book
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.15	all in all i think we can safely say this season was nowhere near as good as the last. lots of promising new story developments that were unsubstantially set up just leaving us unsatisfied.
LambsBread 06.18.15	Stannis is possibly one of the most retarded characters in any book series. 'lets go land in the North, all while repeating we know nothing of the land thousands of times, and take it over starting at the giant ice wall fortress during an epic battle, lets capture and command the sworn-to-be-neutral Nights Watch, oh fuck we are screwed better burn my daughter alive its our only hope right? and his acting during that scene where he burned his daughter was so bad, he was just sitting there fake-cringing looking like he smelled some piss.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.18.15	"he was just sitting there fake-cringing looking like he smelled some piss." this is u on sputnik 24/7 tbh
LambsBread 06.18.15	that was stupid anyway, even though that Cersei scene was awkward, way too long and not well done at all, and the scene with Dany getting saved by the dragon was incredibly corny, I thought this season was pretty good, much better than last.
Ignimbrite 06.18.15	"that was stupid" nah it was actually kinda funny
Slut 06.18.15	Worst season by far
klap 06.18.15	are people still arguing whether Jon is dead or not? it's not even a question, he's not
Deviant. 06.18.15	" I don't have much of a problem with them killing Jon so long as they don't make it dumb, but putting his brain in a wolf is kind of dumb anyway so... eh whatever. " I don't think they'd ever go down that route on the show given that they've never mentioned Jon being a warg ever.It's hard for a surprise to be effective when it seems just too outlandish and presumably out of character "since GRRM has told them a lot of the essential shit he has planned already" All he's apparently told them is how the books end, what he's building towards. Which is obviously a huge thing in itself, but apparently he's resistant to explain to them how to get there (probably because he still has no idea) "lets capture and command the sworn-to-be-neutral Nights Watch," Um...
RadicalEd 06.18.15	Season had some standout moments, but mostly it was just setup, no payoff. The walk of shame bit with Cersei was the best individual scene of the whole series though. The whole part with jamey and bronn in dorne felt mostly out of place, it felt like they wanted it to be a bit more on the lighter, more adventurous side and while it wasn't bad, it didn't amount too much. Also how cheesy was that radical dorne girlgroup? They wasted a lot of time on arya that kinda sorta amounted to bugger all as well. I don't know sometimes I feel the written her into a bit of a corner. Her scence used to be among the best of the show but I'm really not feeling the whole many faced goddess storyline.
Crymsonblaze 06.18.15	"rather it was the way in which both of their respective death scenes were directed" What are you on about? The last scene was perfectly directed. Long and torturous with no music through most of it and a great performance by Kit. The Stannis scene is odd, yes, in the sense that he doesn't even get an onscreen death. That implies that he's still alive, but even if that's not the case, it works in the event of his death as well. It would show how insignificant he turned out to be, not being nearly as important and invincible as he thought he was. I'd be fine with that ending for Stannis. Especially because I've never found him very interesting anyway.
Grand 06.18.15	This show is exceptional.
klap 06.18.15	i thought the stannis scene was great. just absolutely worn down and totally given up. end of the road. his last words to brienne were perfect
Grand 06.18.15	Indeed. The scene where Jon Snow, played by the muscular Kit Harington, dies at the hand of an adolescent was merely exceptional.
TheBarber 06.18.15	I do sincerely hope that the White Walkers will destroys all the divided humans; not to mention the joyous bonfire that Kings Landing is going to be after Cersei snaps following the discovery of her daughters death PS: stannis has always been insignificant.
wwf 06.18.15	The only problem with the last scene is that apparently in the books the wildlings and the nights watch had killed each other somewhat before the nights watch killed Jon. In the show it just seemed like, 'You let wildlings into our country and everything went relatively peacefully after you saved them from near death!?? TRAITOR! FOR THE WATCH!'
RadicalEd 06.18.15	The only problem with the last scene is that apparently in the books the wildlings and the nights watch had killed each other somewhat before the nights watch killed Jon. In the show it just seemed like, 'You let wildlings into our country and everything went relatively peacefully after you saved them from near death!?? TRAITOR! FOR THE WATCH!' Yeah especially since the dudes could have just kept the gate closed and kept them all out if they hated him so much.
klap 06.18.15	or they wanted to kill Jon before they got to the wildlings so he wasn't around to stop them?
wwf 06.18.15	'Yeah especially since the dudes could have just kept the gate closed and kept them all out if they hated him so much.' holllllyyyyyy shit you're so right why didn't I think of that
RadicalEd 06.18.15	"or they wanted to kill Jon before they got to the wildlings so he wasn't around to stop them?" Still could have just kept the gate closed. After that the wildlings did absolutley nothing bad to justify their flip-flopping.
DoofusWainwright 06.18.15	Thorne and Olly both totally hate Jon is reason enough and they have a lot of sympathisers among the watch who would also gain from getting rid of Jon and backing Thorne. Why they let them through the gates I'm less certain about - maybe some of the brothers of the watch on that mission they still didn't want to condemn to their deaths - plus Jon could tell them intel about 'narth o' the wall' as such a small collection of survivors meant something clearly went down.
wwf 06.18.15	They both definitely hate him enough to kill him so it makes sense plot-wise but not drama-wise imoimo. But maybe on second thought it needed to feel a little bit left-field. The way they did it I'd be even less convinced about the Benjen story if there was turmoil beforehand instead of how calm the season finale was for Jon before a sudden case of death
Grand 06.18.15	Indeed good sir...indeed.
DoofusWainwright 06.18.15	Are you a Grand Maester on this thread old bean?
klap 06.18.15	Jon wasn't the only night's watch guy outside the gate
Gameofmetal 06.18.15	"I don't think they'd ever go down that route on the show given that they've never mentioned Jon being a warg ever.It's hard for a surprise to be effective when it seems just too outlandish and presumably out of character" the book makes it clear he's a warg but the show might not want to go that route they probably didn't decide to kill jon until after he came back, not a light decision to make ya know
zaruyache 06.19.15	his death seems fairly illegal in the show too. Like he's the lord commander he can do what he wants if it's what he thinks is best. In the books he fully plans to become a traitor to the Watch so they were actually justified in gang-stabbing him to keep him from further shaming himself.
Deviant. 06.20.15	"Like he's the lord commander he can do what he wants if it's what he thinks is best." You know what a mutiny is right?
zaruyache 06.20.15	yeah but those go against honor which is what the night's watch is based on, so mutinies seem like they'd be "mortal sin"-bad.
Deviant. 06.20.15	It's also a group comprised of murderers and rapists
zaruyache 06.20.15	stop providing rational dissections of my crappy arguments godamnit. It's also a group of murderers and rapists that know that if they go against their code they'll get executed by the other murderers and rapists soooo
RadicalEd 06.20.15	@ Zaru: "that know that if they go against their code they'll get executed by the other murderers and rapists soooo" You do realize that Jon Snow pretty much went against their code and they executed him?
MeatSalad 06.20.15	4 de wahtch
RadicalEd 06.20.15	tbh that boy ollie can't act to save his life.
MeatSalad 06.20.15	he only has one face this entire season
RadicalEd 06.20.15	exactly. that mopey face.
wwf 06.20.15	tbh if a kid actor has one half decent face he's already a better child actor than like 99% of the rest
RadicalEd 06.20.15	http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141123105013/gameofthrones/images/8/8b/Olly.jpg is it a half decent face though? Can't tell if he's confused, angry or sad
klap 06.20.15	tfw zaruyache forgets the watch already mutinied and killed one lord commander
Gameofmetal 06.20.15	wtf, why are you judging a child actor who has had like one role and only middling screen time i mean why, whats the point
yuneek 06.20.15	the ironic thing is jon snow is the one with the same grimace all the time. Ollie is honestly a better actor.
Gameofmetal 06.20.15	I don't give a shit how good or versatile an actor kit is, he does jon snow incredibly well
zaruyache 06.21.15	Was that mutiny the one at Craster's? I totally forgot about that since it didn't happen in the books. That was a really dumb idea too. "Rah we're cold and we're not gonna take it no mo! Let's rape all the women and kill our leader for no reason woohoo!"
Deviant. 06.21.15	What? The mutiny happens in the books
Gameofmetal 06.21.15	yeah it does happen in the books they dont get to go and murder them in retribution like they do in the show tho
Gameofmetal 06.21.15	and the primary motivation was that they believe craster was hiding food stockpiles from them
zaruyache 06.21.15	Stupid complicated plotlines. Don't those guys get killed by the white walkers then? And then Sam escapes and kills one with obsidian and then Cold Hands rescues them or something?
MeatSalad 06.21.15	"wtf, why are you judging a child actor who has had like one role and only middling screen time i mean why, whats the point" it's fun
RadicalEd 06.21.15	"wtf, why are you judging a child actor who has had like one role and only middling screen time i mean why, whats the point" calm your tits. I wouldn't go tell him to his fucking face, just joking around.
LambsBread 06.21.15	these were fun books to read but at this point the plot is a complete mess and I doubt hes going to have a decent ending to the series. also all the fanboys acting like this LOTR knock off is superior to LOTR cuz they added sadism, vulgarity and over-the-top violence suck. Tolkein could actually write a good book without resorting to such low brim bullshit.
Gameofmetal 06.21.15	"Stupid complicated plotlines. Don't those guys get killed by the white walkers then? And then Sam escapes and kills one with obsidian and then Cold Hands rescues them or something?" it's probably safe to assume the mutineers get killed by the others at some point but it's not confirmed or anything. otherwise you're correct. honestly lotr movies over books, and asoiaf over lotr
zaruyache 06.21.15	except that Tolkien's characters were like totally flat and I didn't get a sense of who they were as people by the end of the fourth Tolkien book. The movies were way better because they were actually exciting--I know the intention was to be about the journey more than being about excitement, but I don't think that necessarily translated that well, at least from the perspective of a modern reader. And yeah Ice and Fiyuh > Lord of the why didnt the eagles just fly you there Rings
zaruyache 06.21.15	btw how many people buy into the conspiracy that "Fly, you fools" was actually Gandalf hinting that he secretly planned for them to meet the eagles in the first place?
Gameofmetal 06.21.15	there's no way but that's hella hilarious
Crymsonblaze 06.22.15	Kit has only gotten better over the years. Also, ASoIaF > LoTR, pretty easily.
LambsBread 06.22.15	the eagles were a neutral force that only helped Frodo after extraordinary circumstances. asoiaf sucks cuz you cant even remember what happened in the books half the time (just look at people trying to recall in this thread), its just random event after random event, kill off one character, add three more.
RadicalEd 06.22.15	As a huge tolkien fan.... Lol lambs, just lol. "Tolkein could actually write a good book without resorting to such low brim bullshit." How is it low brim bullshit? It's not like he just exploits it, it's not the only story telling device at his hand. (like say 50 Shades of Gray just exploits BDSM, I get the critic in that case) All the people who reduce a complex narrative like asoicf to "boobs, swearing and dying" are just being basic.
TheBarber 06.22.15	if eagles were neutral they could have helped sauron to peck the living shit out of Frodo, it's rather one sided as is. In general the eagles are just joker card writing, no matter how much you credibilze them with lore
zakalwe 06.22.15	Credibilze?????? I bet my house that you're a yank.
TheBarber 06.22.15	nah french with cockney dad, a freak basically
TheBarber 06.22.15	give me yr house, now, mate.
zakalwe 06.22.15	Mon dieu you muggy cunt :D
PayneTiger777 06.22.15	I think that Jon Snow is half Targaryen because his eyes turned a shade of purple when he died and his blood was darker than most. Throughout the season they hinted some of Jon Snow's heritage. We know he is half stark, but who was his mother? Also, the blood when it pours out of him seems to form the shape of wings. He might have dragon blood in him.
dbizzles 06.22.15	interesting
Thealwaysopenedmind 06.22.15	My beloved Arya! WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HER???!!!!
dbizzles 06.22.15	She's getting mind-raped for being disobedient.
RadicalEd 06.22.15	"I think that Jon Snow is half Targaryen because his eyes turned a shade of purple when he died and his blood was darker than most. Throughout the season they hinted some of Jon Snow's heritage. We know he is half stark, but who was his mother? Also, the blood when it pours out of him seems to form the shape of wings. He might have dragon blood in him." Wow i rewatched the last 2 minutes and you're right about the eyes and the blood... you could be on to something.
Thealwaysopenedmind 06.22.15	^ Is he coming back or not? Haha.
Thealwaysopenedmind 06.22.15	Say it isn't so dbizzles!!!!
PayneTiger777 06.22.15	Yeah it's tough to see the blood forming a wing shape, but it is clearly forming something with the way it's coming out of him. I really think he's half Targaryen.
LambsBread 06.22.15	"All the people who reduce a complex narrative like asoicf to "boobs, swearing and dying" are just being basic." its really not being basic, these books really are just random scenes of sex and violence, and it really is the only interesting part of the show/books. The rest of the story breaks down to a bunch of people fighting for a throne, its basic as fuck, the only complexity comes from him deciding to use thousands of characters and plotlines that no one can even recall at this point.
LambsBread 06.22.15	"I think that Jon Snow is half Targaryen " i would bet everything i have this is going to happen
LambsBread 06.22.15	theres no way jon snow would just die before they reveal who his mother was
DoofusWainwright 06.22.15	Lambs most of the plotlines and ideas in GoT have been adapted from real history, real history is random, this doesn't make it 'basic' - that is why people enjoy this more than LOTR, this plays out almost like an alternative medieval history whereas LOTR is more like an alternative folklore to compete with the Norse myths or what have you. That's why different people prefer one to the other. I prefer GoT and it's political mechanisations but can still enjoy the traditional good vs evil fable of LOTR
dbizzles 06.22.15	Plus, that firecrotch lady came back to the watch in time to resurrect him with some pussy magic.
barcafan21 06.22.15	yah, jon snow is the son of lyanna stark and rhaegar targaryen, he's going to be reborn as azor ahai, who is the man of an old legend, and when he is reborn he'll be able to leave the night's watch bc he's a new man, and he'll become a dragon rider and be badass and such
zaruyache 06.22.15	"whereas LOTR is more like an alternative folklore to compete with the Norse myths or what have you." I can't tell if you already knew this from the post or if your mentioning it was just a coincidence, but LotR was actually written to give like Earth/Britain the cool alt mythology that he thought it lacked, in order to make it stand up against Norse/Egyptian/Roman/Greek/etc myths.
Crymsonblaze 06.23.15	"its really not being basic, these books really are just random scenes of sex and violence, and it really is the only interesting part of the show/books." i... uh... huh?
Gameofmetal 06.23.15	lol tolkien was ok martin is better
Trebor. 06.23.15	"its really not being basic, these books really are just random scenes of sex and violence, and it really is the only interesting part of the show/books." dude the show adds so much sex, there isn't all that much in the book like when Ned goes to the brothel in book one it's just like hey we're in a brothel OK now let's talk about things that matter. Martin doesn't start describing naked women or anything. Also at the beginning Tyrion is just like yep I like brothels, but there's no scene of him at a brothel like in the show
Gameofmetal 06.23.15	there is sex and martin isn't shy to it but yeah the show did add quite a bit after all they coined sexpostion
TalonsOfFire 06.23.15	It's certainly more understated and in the background in the books than in the show though, same with the use of excessive violence. The criticisms and controversy the show receives are usually its own fault.
LambsBread 06.24.15	tolkein was a fucking genius who learned 7 different languages to translate, incorporate and change various ancient myths and make a well told plot that taught lessons about bravery, honor, wisdom and enjoying the simple pleasures of life. Martin is a fat slob who got on wikipedia, copied and pasted a bunch of medieval stories on word, changed the names and threw in a bunch of scenes he remembered from the various pornos he watched over the years. dude is a hack. this series has no purpose or point, its just for the cheap entertainment of killing off characters and having sex scenes as many times as he cant fit in 5000 pages. tell me a good part of this series that wasn't a sex scene or a main character dying?
LambsBread 06.24.15	i guess its true the HBO series made these more tacky and about constant sex scenes, im still pissed off i spent about a year reading all these books to get to such a disappointing plot that falls apart more and more as the books go on.
DoofusWainwright 06.24.15	Lambs the sense of dread, of something not quite being right, in the TV show as Robb Stark moved towards making the fatal mistake of the Red Wedding was the best TV I think I've seen and hit me harder than anything in LOTR. I also like the fact in GOT you can get punished for doing nothing wrong, just being unlucky. It's difficult to argue because I do also enjoy LOTR, the scene where Boromir dies, just incredible. I've read LOTR twice but I can't be bothered picking up George's books, maybe someday but I'm happy enough with the TV show and just reading about plot changes from the books
Flugmorph 06.24.15	Im surprised this thread is still going strong
Gameofmetal 06.24.15	it's lambs spouting angry nonesense off now because he's mad not everyone likes the lotr books as much as him
Gameofmetal 06.24.15	i mean he didn't read them obviously
RadicalEd 06.24.15	Gameofmetal I'm not agreeing with lambs on any of his points, but how is it "obvious" that he didn't read them. Just because he's got a different opinion than you? I think it's quite low of you to just insinuate that he didn't read the books, instead of countering his points. (Even though lambs presented them in his trademark inflammatory way)
Gameofmetal 06.24.15	I was more or less kidding anyway. Just trying to grind some gears
JokineAugustus 06.24.15	"The only way it could get darker and more nasty is if it opens with Melisandre about to resurrect Jon, but Davos kills her at the last moment out of revenge for Shireen. So both Mel and Jon die for good. Alliser Thorne becomes Lord Commander with Olly as his steward, and they banish all Wildlings from the Wall. Bran has visions of R+L=J and knows the truth, but realizes Jon is dead so it is all pointless anyway (basically an extra fvck you to the fans). Sansa and Theon get tracked down by Ramsay's dogs and are brought back to be tortured brutally. Dany gets raped by the Dothraki tribe, and Tyrion gets killed for trying to do a deal with them. The Night's King comes to liberate Westeros, but Ramsay turns out to be Asor Ahai, and defeats the WW with only 20 good men. He becomes king and a new era of torture and rape begins." Best IMDB board post ever.
Gameofmetal 06.24.15	i vote for that to happen
JokineAugustus 06.24.15	the Ramsay part made me laugh my ass off