Wolfhorde: A Wolfish 2011

Wolfhorde 12.06.11	Fuck dem album artz.
Gilgamahesh 12.06.11	Mad props for #8, but the rest is mostly an unknown to me. I need more e-cash, donations are welcome.
TheVoiceAndTheSnake 12.06.11	jewfish
MetallicOpeth 12.06.11	good shit wolf
InAbsentia 12.06.11	I love this list.
xenocide26 12.06.11	16, 18 & 20 rule.
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	Maybe gonna extend this thing a little bit when I'm not too lazy to cram out some more. (also, I still need to listen to some albums as a whole)
Maniac! 12.06.11	dem grammerz iz wack, bro
coneren 12.06.11	i should probably get 15
DoubtGin 12.06.11	yea
seedofnothing 12.06.11	might need to check some of these out
AngelofDeath 12.06.11	Probably gonna post mine sometime today. Need to decide on like three more albums to include.
TheSpirit 12.06.11	Surprised with your number 1
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	This list isn't ranked in case you haven't read the description.
TheSpirit 12.06.11	i didn't. still surprised to see it here
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	Why? I like dem blekk metuhlz mucho.
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	Dis thomas gets dem hord ov wolves. m/
Relinquished 12.06.11	nice list but u took my list title
eternium 12.06.11	You bastard.
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	Shit happens.
greg84 12.06.11	14 is really good. Props for this one.
BigHans 12.06.11	jamming 14 right now it rules face gonna review it
Relinquished 12.06.11	irony
AngelofDeath 12.06.11	lol Wolfe
BallsToTheWall 12.06.11	How do you both have the same last names if ones a kraut and ones a wop?
Relinquished 12.06.11	italian/german/spanish
NWOAHM666 12.06.11	20 ist gut.
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	We don't. His name is wolf with an e, my name is wolf without an e. And even in Germany wolf with two f is more common. @Hans: You actually reminded me of putting this here.
BallsToTheWall 12.06.11	A viking expedition needs to be formed. Im ready to forsake everything and everyone around me for epic conquests.
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	Am I going right with the assumption that you posted this here because you're implying you want "The lineage of the Master Race" included in this epic conquest?
Relinquished 12.06.11	"And even in Germany wolf with two f is more common." very true
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	So we're elite anyway.
BallsToTheWall 12.06.11	Huh/ My conquest was for qonquests, no idea where the master race comes in. Although our crew would all have to be competent, fearless, and unbeatable in spirit.
Wolfhorde 12.06.11	I quoted Thomas, I meant Wolfe and me with this. And I wouldn't doubt we'd meet those qualifications.
BallsToTheWall 12.06.11	I wish everybody around me that I hate which is a whole lot of people that I dont know instigates me, im ready to battle.
BigHans 12.06.11	@Hans: You actually reminded me of putting this here. ^ Ironic since I hadn't even heard of it until this list.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	Idk the connection between Hans and Rawk is pretty obvious I guess.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	I'm brown I guess, not really too master-race ish, but I rock face. Do I qualify.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	Three Reichs and YOU'RE OUT! js Can you handle a sword? Can you hunt?
Tyrael 12.07.11	Heh good list, what did you think of the new Embers?
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	"Three Reichs and YOU'RE OUT! js Can you handle a sword? Can you hunt?" Lol I was joking earlier, but strangely enough yes to the first, I took fencing lessons. Never hunted but I'm decent with a bow. Guns are for pussies.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	@Tyr: As I said I'm still not entirely finished listening to some albums. Especially since I was busy writing exams the last 2 months. (though I like it so far) @GG: Doesn't sound too bad but you'd probably have to ask Wylie for final permission.
Tyrael 12.07.11	Okay cool, liking this list a lot
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	Now that you remembered me I might consider putting that Embers album on here. It's got a nice nostalgic touch.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	"@GG: Doesn't sound too bad but you'd probably have to ask Wylie for final permission." Also I'm a gym rat. But yeah lol I'll ask Wylie about that. Who is Wylie? This is starting to remind me of that Crichton book.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	That Raekwon album is holy shit good. Haven't heard anything else of his since Cuban Linx.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	BallsToTheWalls = (Sir) Wylie Those fencing lessons should help you handling a longsword. As for getting the weapons I'll probably do that since I know a shitload about swords and manufacturers.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Unfortunately for me it looks as if fencing with a foil is a bit different than longsword use lol. Must adapt.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	It is different but afaik you can build upon your fencing experience, especially the foot technique.
qwe3 12.07.11	its not a remake its an homage but cool list
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Gotta train my lower arms some more. I have pretty skinny wrists, especially compared with my bis and tris. It's much harder for me to hit them, like with calves.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Can't see me using a bigass longsword with midget wrists... They help on the piano though :)
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	"its not a remake its an homage but cool list" Changed. Still, his spitting is awesome. "Can't see me using a bigass longsword with midget wrists." Dude, I'm 1.74 and I can handle a longsword easily. Also, longswords are not nearly as heavy and bulky as you'd guess. (especially considering the mass distribution) Also if we'd go around carrying ATrim swords (considered to be some of the best on the market, known for their extraordinary balance and functionality) that wouldn't be a big deal either. And it's also a question of technique, using reverse hits is mostly quite effecient with those things.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Hey good to know man, I had the impression that those things would weigh quite a bit more than that. I guess mass estimates seem ridiculous because they don't take the mass distribution into account.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	Well, it's generally a dumb myth that European swords are big junky can openers, especially with that whole "katanas are so superior they are faster, tougher and can cut through everything" (which is total bullshit since they were designed for cutting human flesh and European ones for steel on steel combat) But yeah, mass distribution makes a whole lot of difference. Besides the heat treatment probably one of the most important things about a sword. But 1.5-2kg would be pretty average for a longsword.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Haha yeah I've watched enough History Channel specials to know that the knights knew what they were doing. The main edge of the katana seems mostly to have been the Damascus (or wootz or whatever) steel that was first smelted (in my homeland, incidentally). It's said that it's some sort of iron carbide matrix that made it mechanically superior. But the sheer size of the longsword and bastard sword is pretty cool. 2kg is reasonable for something that size, I shadowbox with those kinds of weights often.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	That stuff about damascus is not true either. The damascus stuff had nothing to do with the edge geometry for that matter (if it has a convex edge, secondary bevel, flat grind or something else). Damascus is simply a term for folded steel and the Japanese had a certain process because their iron ore was of poor quality so the steel had impurities and folding was necessary to make the steel homogenous. That didn't make it superior in any way, though. And nowadays it's simple aesthetic, nonsense from a practical point of view. Especially since "monosteel" blades are way tougher than "traditional/differentially hardened" swords. I'd rather go for the 1.5kg or something in between since that's more realistic. You'll rarely have a 2kg or over 2kg longsword unless it's a fancy custom which is more focussed on aesthetics. As I said, a sword is more than just a certain mass of steel. (but with swords 300-500g can make a pretty big difference)
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Nah dude I never said that. I said that the "Damascus" steel was somehow involved in the production of the katana, and the article I got that from was incorrect, as was I. No connection apparently. But the superiority of the so-called "Damascus" steel is in fact correct, and due to presence of ultrahard microcarbides in a tempered matrix of some sort. The edge geometry of the blades the steel was used in apparently differed considerably, but I believe they were mostly single-bladed and meant to be wielded in slashing motions.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	"superiority of the so-called "Damascus" steel is in fact correct, and due to presence of ultrahard microcarbides in a tempered matrix of some sort. " Sorry but I don't believe that. I have to see any swordsman agreeing with this. If a whole community of informed people, a weapon historian and reknowned sword manufacturers (Valiant Armory - affiliated with Angus Trim, Darksword Armory) disagree with this I'm inclined to believe them. Also, if a destructive test with a "usual" damascus sword shows that the blade takes a great deal of damage and a monosteel sword doesn't I don't believe that. It might be true that traditional, REAL traditional shinken/katanas are indeed quite good but you can't generally say that "damascus" is a superior steel. Especially when that whole argument is built around throwing around some fancy terms not even professionals use. "The edge geometry of the blades the steel was used in apparently differed considerably" Uhm, edge geometry is defined term revolving around the "sharp part" of the sword. And it has no connection to the steel whatsoever. (except for the hardness which might make it easier/harder to work the edge) You mean they had a single edge. Single-bladed is quite obvious. And they were meant to be wielded against human flesh and light armor as I mentioned, which also made them ineffective in steel vs. steel combat. (at least the "traditional" ones, nowadays there are monosteel lines that are quite tough)
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	"Sorry but I don't believe that. I have to see any swordsman agreeing with this." Yeah I have to rely on articles and stuff :( Not nearly as useful as having a community to ask. The net seems to agree with me, but I'll take the word of actual experts over the net because let's face it it's the experts that give the net any cred. "Uhm, edge geometry is defined term revolving around the "sharp part" of the sword." Yeah dude that was my point, the steel itself had nothing to do with the edge geometry. No need to condescend if you're not sure I'm being stupid lol. "Single-bladed is quite obvious." There were plenty of double-edged weapons used in warfare dude. "Especially when that whole argument is built around throwing around some fancy terms not even professionals use." :( Carbide? Martensite? Those are scientific terms man, actual chemical compounds that have been studied and analyzed, with tangible results post-analysis that lead people to make judgments. It's not just Hollywood drivel designed to up the mystique. It's not witchcraft.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Next you'll tell me that a graphene sword would be a stupid idea because no expert has fought with one.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	"Yeah I have to rely on articles and stuff :( Not nearly as useful as having a community to ask. The net seems to agree with me, but I'll take the word of actual experts over the net because let's face it it's the experts that give the net any cred." I might ask further about that topic with that argument you just brought up though. Still, I've seen a damascus sword BREAKING. That can not, whatever the theory says, be indicative of "superior quality". "Yeah dude that was my point, the steel itself had nothing to do with the edge geometry. No need to condescend if you're not sure I'm being stupid lol." Sorry but that one sentence was a bit confusing so I wasn't quite sure what your point was. "There were plenty of double-edged weapons used in warfare dude." That's why I said single-bladed, not single-edged. I mean you have two edges on a single blade. And I haven't seen many swords with two blades. "Carbide? Martensite? Those are scientific terms man, actual chemical compounds that have been studied and analyzed, with tangible results post-analysis that lead people to make judgments. It's not just Hollywood drivel designed to up the mystique. It's not witchcraft." I know, but the point is that it doesn't give me anything. It's just like "you have these superhard chemical components", not where they come from and why or how they supposedly make it "superior".
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	But well duh. This got kinda nonsensical, if you want to discuss this further you could go to the SBG forum.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	"I might ask further about that topic with that argument you just brought up though. Still, I've seen a damascus sword BREAKING. That can not, whatever the theory says, be indicative of "superior quality"" I wasn't being sarcastic when I said that it's experts who contribute to the net that give the net credibility. How else does the net gain cred? And if you meant breaking under forces not significantly different than those that samples of European monosteel were found to break at then I concede the point. "Sorry but that one sentence was a bit confusing so I wasn't quite sure what your point was. " Sorry about that man, it's a bit late and it's been a busy day lol. Your comprehension is generally flawless, I'd think you a native English speaker if I didn't know you were German. So yeah I probably fucked something up there but I'm too damn tired to go figure it out. "That's why I said single-bladed, not single-edged. I mean you have two edges on a single blade. And I haven't seen many swords with two blades. " Totally misread that, thought you said single-edge. "I know, but the point is that it doesn't give me anything. It's just like "you have these superhard chemical components", not where they come from and why or how they supposedly make it "superior"." I get what you mean. It appears that the matrix structure and the carbides found within were supposedly able to cut straight through lesser steels. Again I'm unsure of whether it's just historical exaggeration or legitimate, so don't quote me on that. It would make me feel silly.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	"I wasn't being sarcastic when I said that it's experts who contribute to the net that give the net credibility. How else does the net gain cred? And if you meant breaking under forces not significantly different than those that samples of European monosteel were found to break at then I concede the point." I wasn't being sarcastic either or taking it as sarcastic. I just wanted to dig a little further since I'm a huge sucker for anything revolving around swords. I mean I agree with that point about experts. Exactly that is what I meant, part of why I trust so much in the forums and what the people I know in this area tell me is because of testing, trial and error. I even tested my own sword (even though that's definitely not recommended). "Sorry about that man, it's a bit late and it's been a busy day lol. Your comprehension is generally flawless, I'd think you a native English speaker if I didn't know you were German. So yeah I probably fucked something up there but I'm too damn tired to go figure it out." Is THAT sarcasm ? ;D I hear ya, I get up at 5:30 and our fully automatic coffee machine has been broken since forever. "Totally misread that, thought you said single-edge." Lol, no. That would be pretty fucking weird if there only would've been single-edged weapons. "I get what you mean. It appears that the matrix structure and the carbides found within were supposedly able to cut straight through lesser steels. Again I'm unsure of whether it's just historical exaggeration or legitimate, so don't quote me on that. It would make me feel silly." Mhm, sounds a bit fishy to be honest. I've never read about that yet, as I said I might bring that topic in the forums and see what my more informed friends will tell me. Also I don't quite get the logic since afaik the heat treatment/tempering process basically makes or breaks (both literally and figuratively) a sword.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Coffee machine? You lucky bastard. And yeah haha I'm out of my depth here, but I always welcome any information on pretty much any topic, so I definitely got something out of this discussion. "Also I don't quite get the logic since afaik the heat treatment/tempering process basically makes or breaks (both literally and figuratively) a sword." From what I remember it was either the ore itself or a facet of the smelting process (we haven't been able to recreate wootz steel afaik) that created the carbide patterns.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	Isn't wootz something different than Damascus? Because I'm not quite sure that's the same thing, because if you were talking about wootz the whole time we were kinda talking in different directions. Also I have only yet read about "wootz" connected with Chinese swords but I actually have no shit if they were able to recreate those. Hanwei stocks such swords but I'm not quite sure they're legitimate. (they're also fucking expensive at 2000€ - more than a Euro custom costs) Well yeah, here pretty much everyone owns fully automatic coffee machines. But since ours is not operational I have to drink pads. And they suck.
Cheesesandwich2 12.07.11	Aw yeah Raekwon
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	Yeah dude I mentioned that I was talking about wootz steel a bit earlier on. I thought "Damascus steel" was just samples of wootz steel used by the Persians, which were bought from the Indians? The method of creating it was apparently lost some time ago, and common belief seems to be that either the ore used in its production was unique, or the smelting process used in the creation of the blades was. Supposedly some Russky rediscovered how to make it but he's not telling. "Hanwei stocks such swords but I'm not quite sure they're legitimate. (they're also fucking expensive at 2000€ - more than a Euro custom costs)" Holy mother of fuck. But that isn't even a guarantee with those damn Chinese companies. I ordered headphones the other week, found out they were fake, and canceled my damn credit card because I thought they would follow up the scam with some good ol' fashioned theft. "Well yeah, here pretty much everyone owns fully automatic coffee machines. But since ours is not operational I have to drink pads. And they suck." :( I usually buy cold coffee from the corner store, it's surprisingly good. Strange because everything except full-cream milk in Australia is tasteless. Which means they must only use full-fat milk in coffee here.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	Now I'll have to rewrite.. great. About the steel: Not quite sure about that though I kinda doubt that wootz and damascus are the same thing since damascus/folded steel blades have been produced for over a decade now. So it definitely can't be EXACTLY the same thing or different terms for the same thing. About the Hanwei sword: They do have kind of a hit and miss reputation but I'm sure it's not a scam, I mean they are a reliable and quite big company. But I'm just not sure if that sword is a) legitimate b) functional/practical. Most of these Chinese dynasty swords are afaik made mainly for collectors, not practical use. But even if it is the real deal it's still quite expensive when I can have an ATrim/CF custom made for half the price. (Which is everything a practicioners heart could want) About coffee: Well, cold coffee can be quite good sometimes. There is some swiss stuff that is quite nice. The Swiss generally have good stuff involving coffee, chocolate and milk. But I also NEED my caffeine, without it I turn into a rampaging aggressively grumpy berserk bordering on practical misanthropy. Those fully automatic machines are quite good if you have good beans, though. And I can only recommend trying Jamaican Blue Mountain if you ever have the chance. That stuff is the second most expensive coffee but it also fucking delicious (and has a good caffeine buzz)
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	"Now I'll have to rewrite.. great." Haha my bad bro. "Not quite sure about that though I kinda doubt that wootz and damascus are the same thing since damascus/folded steel blades have been produced for over a decade now." I will definitely take your word here, your expertise dwarfs mine. But is legit wootz steel superior or even on par with contemporaneous European or Japanese steel? Let alone modern steel. "They do have kind of a hit and miss reputation but I'm sure it's not a scam" I automatically suspect a scam. I don't much care if that makes me a terrible person by any standards. But trust your own gut dude. "If you don't need it why bother?" is my usual take on such things. "But I also NEED my caffeine" Preaching to the choir, bud. Hahaha. "And I can only recommend trying Jamaican Blue Mountain if you ever have the chance." Australia doesn't have the best selection of... well, anything beyond maybe kangaroo meat. But if it's here I'll do my best to find it man. Good coffee is always worth a bit of effort.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	"Haha my bad bro." Not really, first I quoted you fully and then sputnik told me the comment was too long and everything was gone. Damn you, Sputnik! "I will definitely take your word here, your expertise dwarfs mine. But is legit wootz steel superior or even on par with contemporaneous European or Japanese steel? Let alone modern steel." Also something I'd wonder about since the steel quality has risen tremendously since the industrialisation and especially since the 20th century. As far as historians know the only culture that ever had comparable steel quality were the Carthaginians. (which is kinda badass considering when they lived) "I automatically suspect a scam. I don't much care if that makes me a terrible person by any standards. But trust your own gut dude. "If you don't need it why bother?" is my usual take on such things." Depends on how you define "scam". As I said it's probably not a functional or practical sword, though it may be "real". But I'm not sure and I wouldn't want to test it with my money. "Preaching to the choir, bud. Hahaha." At least I admit my addiction! And a good one at that, there is a nice video about the benefits of caffeine : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg "Australia doesn't have the best selection of... well, anything beyond maybe kangaroo meat. But if it's here I'll do my best to find it man. Good coffee is always worth a bit of effort." And didgeridoos, eh? Hell yes. Good coffee is fucking ace.
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	"Damn you, Sputnik!" They really need to fix that edit button too. I mean, damn. "As far as historians know the only culture that ever had comparable steel quality were the Carthaginians. (which is kinda badass considering when they lived)" Rome should never have won the Punic Wars. So lame. "At least I admit my addiction!" Yeah man, caffeine put up with a lot of shit over the years but in moderate doses it's even useful in workouts. "And didgeridoos, eh? Hell yes." I fucking want one man. I collect instruments (and play them for the most part, naturally). Good coffee is something I have not really had since I left New York last. Nearly 2 years ago now.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	"They really need to fix that edit button too. I mean, damn." Yeah, some of the technical stuff here is a bit.. well.. crappy. "Rome should never have won the Punic Wars. So lame." Couldn't agree more. Those dorky Romans got really lame after a while, unfortunately in school you rarely ever learn about anything else besides Romans and Greeks. "Yeah man, caffeine put up with a lot of shit over the years but in moderate doses it's even useful in workouts." Caffeine doesn't even have bad effects on your body as newer studies have shown. It MIGHT have medical effects, it DEFINITELY has it's benefits but it's not as unhealthy as claimed for years. I'm perfectly healthy and I've been drinking coffee for about 5 years now. "I fucking want one man. I collect instruments (and play them for the most part, naturally)." Isn't "collecting" a bit expensive? At least if you're really into more than one thing. I own a traditional one but it's probably not as good as high quality ones from Oz. And I find them to be quite easy to play. "Good coffee is something I have not really had since I left New York last. Nearly 2 years ago now." Holy shit. That has to suck. I mean I haven't had good coffee on a regular basis for 6 months but you can at least buy good coffee here, too. (Or scrounge it from rich pals)
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	"Those dorky Romans got really lame after a while, unfortunately in school you rarely ever learn about anything else besides Romans and Greeks." Carthage used ELEPHANTS. You don't get much more epic than that. Yeah school education is pretty universally crappy everywhere, but the information's out there for people who have an interest in history. The Greeks and Romans I liken to the gateway drugs of history, if you get my meaning. "It MIGHT have medical effects, it DEFINITELY has it's benefits but it's not as unhealthy as claimed for years. I'm perfectly healthy and I've been drinking coffee for about 5 years now." Idk lol Tweek from South Park might have something different to say on the subject... But honestly I don't think there is anything wrong with caffeine consumption other than the fact that people become somewhat dependent on its powers in order to start their day. "Isn't "collecting" a bit expensive? At least if you're really into more than one thing. I own a traditional one but it's probably not as good as high quality ones from Oz. And I find them to be quite easy to play." Not as expensive as you'd think if you've been going about it since middle school. I had at one point 2 guitars (classical, electric), an electric mandolin, a wood flute, legit maracas, a b flat clarinet, an alto saxophone, tablas, bongos, a keyboard (I had to give my piano up unfortunately), etc. Pretty sure there was a xylophone in there somewhere lol. I'm impressed that you have a didgeridoo all the way in Germany. "Holy shit. That has to suck. I mean I haven't had good coffee on a regular basis for 6 months but you can at least buy good coffee here, too. (Or scrounge it from rich pals)" Some things get easier to bear with time man. I barely remember what GOOD strong coffee tastes like, but I get by just fine nowadays with a nice mocha from the local coffeeshop.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	"Carthage used ELEPHANTS. You don't get much more epic than that. Yeah school education is pretty universally crappy everywhere, but the information's out there for people who have an interest in history. The Greeks and Romans I liken to the gateway drugs of history, if you get my meaning." Yeah, they were pretty fucking epic. But the circumstances for Carthage were really fucked up, as seen with Hannibal. At least partly, yeah. "Idk lol Tweek from South Park might have something different to say on the subject... But honestly I don't think there is anything wrong with caffeine consumption other than the fact that people become somewhat dependent on its powers in order to start their day." Afaik I know science concludes that there are no negative sides except of what you mentioned. And well, as far as I don't see myself getting any problems because of it I'm sure as hell not gonna stop drinking it. "Not as expensive as you'd think if you've been going about it since middle school. I had at one point 2 guitars (classical, electric), an electric mandolin, a wood flute, legit maracas, a b flat clarinet, an alto saxophone, tablas, bongos, a keyboard (I had to give my piano up unfortunately), etc. Pretty sure there was a xylophone in there somewhere lol. I'm impressed that you have a didgeridoo all the way in Germany." Idk, high quality instruments are quite expensive I'd guess. Good guitars, good drums ect. And even tablas are kinda expensive afaik. Tablas here cost about 300-600€. Which is quite a bit for a percussion instrument. As is pretty much any good instrument. And the REALLY good stuff is expensive anyway. "Some things get easier to bear with time man. I barely remember what GOOD strong coffee tastes like, but I get by just fine nowadays with a nice mocha from the local coffeeshop." Well, I don't like those pad stuff but I can handle. Especially considering that one day I'll drink the good stuff made of fresh beans by automatized machinery again. And you get REALLY good beans here, not necessarily cheap but hell.. they're good.
omnipanzer 12.07.11	tl;dr love 5 wolfman
Gilgamahesh 12.07.11	"But the circumstances for Carthage were really fucked up, as seen with Hannibal." Oh most definitely, but I have to give credit to Scipio where it's due, he was brilliant in his own right. The Romans picked their general well. "And well, as far as I don't see myself getting any problems because of it I'm sure as hell not gonna stop drinking it." That's the way brother m/ "And the REALLY good stuff is expensive anyway." True but Tablas for instance I got from the source country ;) and so it was substantially cheaper. My stuff was of mixed quality, but most of the originals were of good quality. My classical guitar I got for a pretty high price, and it's amazing. My electric, on the other hand... lol. "Especially considering that one day I'll drink the good stuff made of fresh beans by automatized machinery again." I'll drink to that. I'm feeling the coffee pangs again.
Wolfhorde 12.07.11	"Oh most definitely, but I have to give credit to Scipio where it's due, he was brilliant in his own right. The Romans picked their general well." Yeah, but I still wonder how shit would've been if the Roman influence wouldn't have been so huge or if we would have been able to recreate how things really were or at least had more information about e.g. the Carthagians or the Celts. I mean I'd like to know how they got that kind of steel quality in their time. They weren't dumb, if it wouldn't have been for their strategic abilites they probably wouldn't have won. "That's the way brother m/" Always m/ "rue but Tablas for instance I got from the source country ;) and so it was substantially cheaper. My stuff was of mixed quality, but most of the originals were of good quality. My classical guitar I got for a pretty high price, and it's amazing. My electric, on the other hand... lol. " Well, yeah. That's kinda different if you get that stuff directly but you don't always have that opportunity though. And well, luxury goods aren't necessarily cheap here. Especially as student. "I'll drink to that. I'm feeling the coffee pangs again." Then, I quote: Get yourself a cup of PURE AWESOMENESS!
Gilgamahesh 12.08.11	On my way to the store now, fuck it.
acorncheese 12.08.11	god i really hate when people make list titles like this.
Wolfhorde 12.08.11	u mad, bro?
Gilgamahesh 12.08.11	CRY MOAR BUTTCHEESE