KotoFtw
11.16.11 | I really like 10's flow, it can be awkward at times with the way he breaks up big words, but it usually works really well. I love the anger comes through his voice, too. |
telebyrd
11.16.11 | Is Vinnie in Jedi Mind Tricks? |
guitarechoes
11.16.11 | Yeah Vinnie's in JMT. He's also in Army of the Pharaohs. I agree about Tech, if you like him you should listen to Diabolic and Vinnie Paz. |
KotoFtw
11.16.11 | I like his part after Dance with the Devil, I'll have to check him out. |
PistolPete
11.16.11 | Eminem has lost his IMO. Also, up until "Lasers" came out I really would've put Lupe Fiasco on this kind of list at least top 3. |
gabethepiratesquid
11.16.11 | Gross list. And the emcee in Mobb Deep isn't all that great. I mean he's okay but the group is more acclaimed for its fantastic producer and their original use of boom bap. Tech and Diabolic aren't that good in terms of flow, and Vinnie is noooot number one.
also, this list has a lack of Pharoahe Monch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33DM2i1Hv70 |
foxblood
11.16.11 | snoop on doggystyle, big boi, and doom have my favorites |
gabethepiratesquid
11.16.11 | also, the fuck? No Biggie? I don't even like his albums and I think he's a tad overrated but his buttery smooth flow is almost legendary, he can almost make polyrhythms with that shit. |
guitarechoes
11.17.11 | Biggie's a good rapper but he's overrated if I made a top 20 list he'd make it in. If you don't think Mobb Deep deserve their place in the list, listen to the 'Infamous' album and get back to me. |
Calculate
11.17.11 | andre 3000 |
pissbore
11.17.11 | big L god dammit |
guitarechoes
11.17.11 | ahaha I was actually thinking about Big L as I wrote this list but I haven't listened to a lot of his music so I didn't put him in. Andre 3000, seriously? |
GnarlyShillelagh
11.17.11 | wtf you're stupid as shit where is meth where is l where is big where is kool keith wher eis mos where is 90s jay where is kendrick where is ace where is pharoahe where is the fact that more than half of hip-hop's emcees would shit all over vinnie |
illmitch
11.17.11 | do you even know what flow is |
guitarechoes
11.17.11 | Gnarly you listen to Brokencyde you have no opinion. Jay-z is just a Biggie clone though I agree Mos Def is good. If you don't think Paz has got flow then you obviously don't know flow yourself. |
qwe3
11.17.11 | list is horrible |
theacademy
11.17.11 | pun had the ill flow |
gabethepiratesquid
11.17.11 | Oh yeah I listened to Mobb Deep and know them but I have yet to listen to that one obscure album Infamous by them, good recommendation. u dumb.
still, idk. This is white bread hip-hop and essentials for the most part. |
guitarechoes
11.17.11 | qwe3 how can you say this is a horrible list when your most played on last fm is Lil Wayne? Cheers theacademy, you should check out some of Pun's freestyles, if he was alive today he'd shit on any of these medicore autotune rappers. Essentials? Hardly, the majority of these artists are underground or not that well known. Essentials would have been if I would have put in Biggie, Tupac, 50 Cent etc. Only essential I'd say in there is Eminem but he's hardly lacking in the flow department. |
qwe3
11.17.11 | "qwe3 how can you say this is a horrible list when your most played on last fm is Lil Wayne?"
basically i typed the word "list" first right
then i typed "is"
then i typed "horrible"
then, if you'll direct your attention to the bottom of the box marked "Submit Comment," there's a button that says "Submit"
so I clicked that, and those three words (list, is, and horrible respectively) appeared in your list's comments thread!
|
MebalZahari
11.17.11 | Very good list, guy knows his hip-hop. |
captaincrunch11
11.17.11 | haha qwe3 ur a cunt |
Cipieron
11.17.11 | no will smith? list fail |
guitarechoes
11.17.11 | trolololol Cipieron, I almost took that seriously. Cheers Mebal. Agreed qwe3 is a cunt. |
BigHans
11.17.11 | Pun was Boss |
wabbit
11.17.11 | most wine actually gets worse with age...the more you know |
BallsToTheWall
11.17.11 | Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan and Dylan. |
Trebor.
11.17.11 | Earth people
I was born on Jupiter
|
witnessesUK
11.17.11 | Noticed how qwe3 ignored the fact he has Lil' Wayne in his playlist. *sigh* |
Urinetrouble
11.17.11 | ill bill is fucking terrible |
Idnuf
11.17.11 | holy fuck this list and the dumbasses it brought out |
GnarlyShillelagh
11.17.11 | "Gnarly you listen to Brokencyde you have no opinion. Jay-z is just a Biggie clone though I agree Mos Def is good. If you don't think Paz has got flow then you obviously don't know flow yourself."
lmao what? Where does Brokencyde come from I don't listen to them...
And yeah Jay-Z might bite more than Mike Tyson but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have good flow. And I didn't say that Paz doesn't have flow, it's just nothing special. The reason why Vinnie Paz is worth listening to is because he has that ill rugged voice. His flow is pretty standard, to be honest. There are myriad emcees worth noting for their flows and Vinnie Paz just isn't one of them. |
gosk8n
11.17.11 | 5 would be my number 1 |
drewcordova
11.17.11 | Immortal Technique is terrible. He doesn't flow because he has way too much to say, and is incapable of brevity. I agree with Nas and Eminem, of course. Best flow though? No. Check out Tonedeff or Substantial of Qn5. Rakim should have never been left off this list. Eyedea deserves a place in the top ten, too. I agree with @GnarlyShillelagh; Method Man tops quite a few of the people on this list. |
drewcordova
11.17.11 | @Trebor17 - Is that a reference from Dr. Octagon? Awesome... |
combustion07
11.17.11 | 1 and 6 deserve more recognition. Diabolic's verse on Diabolic (second half of Dance With the Devil) is one of the best verses I've ever heard. |
illmitch
11.17.11 | project pat most underrated flow ever |
Counterfeit
11.17.11 | lol this list |
gabethepiratesquid
11.18.11 | "Essentials? Hardly, the majority of these artists are underground or not that well known. Essentials would have been if I would have put in Biggie, Tupac, 50 Cent etc. Only essential I'd say in there is Eminem but he's hardly lacking in the flow department."
No, I'm promising that most of these if not all are pretty well-known throughout the whole site and you'll find them throughout the "recommend me hip-hop" lists.
Also, Lil Wayne was one of the best rappers in the genre from 2005-2007. I think qwe just ignored that point because he's gotten into this argument and proved other people who didn't know much about what they were talking about millions of times and he didn't want to get back into it. Most Lil Wayne haters are either basing their entire opinion of him on Lollipop and How to Love or they get their opinions from Youtube comments. |
guitarechoes
11.18.11 | combustion07 knows what he's talking bout. I've listened to Lil Wayne apart from his early mixtapes there isn't really any potential or talent, definately nothing special enough to get on this list. |
gabethepiratesquid
11.18.11 | I don't think Lil Wayne should be on this list because his flow definitely isn't in the top (though he can have a cool broken flow or one where it's like where the words seem to tumble out of his mouth), but I'd disagree with you on talent. |
guitarechoes
11.18.11 | http://img.memecenter.com/uploaded/Music..-What-The-F-Happened_5035d1889705556a5c8ade7947d7823f.jpg for all Lil Wayne fans :D |
ShousoStrip
11.18.11 | Eminem? |
gabethepiratesquid
11.18.11 | Led Zeppelin sucked, though. They couldn't even make a riff without plagiarizing some blues artist, not to mention cheesy as fuck lyrics. |
ShousoStrip
11.18.11 | Led Zeppelin sucked, though. They couldn't even make a riff without plagiarizing some blues artist, not to mention cheesy as fuck lyrics. [2] |
guitarechoes
11.18.11 | There's cheesy and then there's constantly talking about bitches and guns and people hatin' on you. If you honestly think Lil' Wayne is more musically talented then Zeppelin there's obviously something wrong with you. |
Zorak
11.18.11 | Are we seriously comparing zeppelin and lil wayne? Jesus fucking christ people. |
wabbit
11.18.11 | "Most Lil Wayne haters are either basing their entire opinion of him on Lollipop"
Lollipop is so good, dunno what you're talking about. |
gabethepiratesquid
11.18.11 | @wonarabbit: Lollipop is catchy, but it's not the track that's going to win the hearts of people looking for good hip-hop.
and if you genuinely think subject matter correlates to quality, guitarechoes, then you really do know nothing about hip-hop, as if the fact that you like Immortal Technique and that stuff didn't say enough. |
guitarechoes
11.18.11 | Have you even listened to Immortal Technique before? |
witnessesUK
11.18.11 | Where's Lil' Wayne, he's amazing! |
guitarechoes
11.18.11 | Obvious troll is obvious. |
witnessesUK
11.18.11 | I iz not trollin'. Lil' Wayne is a lyrical genius. You heard his song 'Motherfucka Ass Nigga'? |
gabethepiratesquid
11.18.11 | Yeah, I've downloaded an album and listened to it to see if I could get any of the hype or if it was just praised by white-bread who don't understand hip-hop. Guess which it ended up being?
also, witnesses seems to have a 14 year-old sense of humor. |
theacademy
11.18.11 | wherez all the mad rappers at |
guitarechoes
11.18.11 | Classic, because the colour of my skin decides whether or not my musical taste is good. I like intellectual rap, Lil' Wayne doesn't fall into that category. |
guitarechoes
11.18.11 | @theacademy It's like a jungle in this habitat. |
daIceman
11.18.11 | sry bro cant agree with single one, dont take me bad immortal technique and old eminem work is fine but definitely not top 10 |
gabethepiratesquid
11.18.11 | I'm not saying the color of your skin determines your music taste, I'm saying you know nothing about hip-hop and you happen to be one of the white people who don't.
"intellectual rap"
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. I thought you had to look for "intellectual rap" when I first got into the genre when I was like, fourteen. Hopefully your taste matures because you just seem to be really dumb with this stuff. For the most part "intellectual" rap is a gimmick just picked up by any kid who hates "that gangster BULLSHIT" and will drool over any shitty conscious rapper. Or god forbid, Rhymesayers and Atmosphere and shit like that. |
Pharoh
11.18.11 | Lol lil Wayne |
Aids
11.18.11 | lol I knew this thread would be retarded when I clicked. good job guys. |
theacademy
11.18.11 | eminem is prob my fav all time rapper but his flow is like, pedestrian. 50 cent belongs on this list. |
guitarechoes
11.18.11 | 50 Cent, really? He drops the same simple Al Pacino sounding rap on every beat. |
Athom
11.18.11 | i never got the big deal over Jedi Mind Tricks/Army of Pharaohs.
also, I'll just leave this here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33DM2i1Hv70 |
qwe3
11.18.11 | Lil Wayne is approx. 1000000x better than immortal technique |
Counterfeit
11.18.11 | ppl r not gud at rap. but furreal though, open your ears smoke some weed do somethin. |
FrankRedHot
11.19.11 | List maker is dumb.
Qwe is dumb.
Gabe is fucking retarded.
Congrats. Everyone lived up to their expectations. |
KILL
11.19.11 | sup qwe |
Satellite
11.19.11 | whoa gabe sighting |
Wolfhorde
11.19.11 | "Rhymesayers and Atmosphere and shit like that."
Nothing wrong with some of "shit like that". Nothing wrong with "usual" rap/gangsta rap either. Though you're not wrong, people whining about rap lyrics rarely know shit about the genre. |
qwe3
11.20.11 | "List maker is dumb.
Qwe is dumb.
Gabe is fucking retarded.
Congrats. Everyone lived up to their expectations."
dude you called me dumb but then you said people "lived up to their expectations" which is saying we were expecting to be dumb, dumb and fucking retarded respectively. what you SHOULD have said would be "what was expected of them" or "my expectations" or "the site's expectations" but you chose to not use english correctly
and I'M dumb?
dude don't you have a kid, shouldn't you know how to write by now? |
Relinquished
11.20.11 | idk man writing well in the internet doesn't really matter |
jorge22s
11.20.11 | hip hop is dead |
qwe3
11.21.11 | "idk man writing well in the internet doesn't really matter"
theres a difference between not capitalising or using punctuation and making blatant mistakes that change the entire meaning of a sentence |
Activista anti-MTV
11.28.11 | This list-maker understands that it's about flow |
qwe3
11.28.11 | which is depressing |
pcar
11.28.11 | c'mon
not mentioning tonedeff for flow? dude shits all over this list. widely regarded the best flow right now |
discovolante
01.04.12 | Nas is heads over heels above Mobb Deep. |
eleventhsun
12.31.12 | If this is all time then surely BIG belongs here instead of Ill Bill... I know its the obviously popular pick, but BIG had a flow like no other. |
