BigHands: Wall Street Protests

BigHands 10.06.11	Get a job, hippies.
FruityCatOfDoom 10.06.11	heyyy hippies are awesome man.
BigHans 10.06.11	They can be, that post was mostly in jest. I dont mind hippies who work for a living.
FruityCatOfDoom 10.06.11	:) peace, love, and bong
BigHans 10.06.11	do whatever man. Fuck the corporations, man. Fuck the government, man. Goddamn capitialist pigs, man.
theacademy 10.06.11	jesus christ hans. no lol.
cvlts 10.06.11	hey man, if there's jeff mangum im down.
BigHans 10.06.11	well Acad I said I didnt know the whole story so enlighten me, youre right there anyway. Give it to me from the hub dude.
theacademy 10.06.11	wall street isn't really a target (the worst offending institutions aren't all on wall street) its used as a a symbol for the disenfranchised and marginalized population against corporate "greed" (which is poor word choice imo) and governance.
BigHans 10.06.11	I mean, what does these people actually want? The government to cut them all a check? It seems they are protesting the fact that some people are richer than they are. I can see why people are upset about their situation, but what is the actual proposed solution?
renegadestrings 10.06.11	Wall Street has been a hot spot for protests for many many years, this is nothing new. The reason why is because it is a symbol of financial power in the world and for those protesting, a testament to the greed of corporate America. These people are not there because they want better jobs; they are there because they want jobs, they want our Healthcare to see some serious change, they want huge corporations like Goldman Sachs and BP to be held accountable for their crimes, they want the death penalty abolished because they understand that their have been several cases (notably the recent execution of Troy Davis) in which the victims were not proven guilty, they want Obama to stop playing both sides and get his shit together.... in summation, people are pissed. oh, and for the record, working 3 jobs is not exactly something to take pride in. that just means that you are getting screwed while the richest in the country who made their riches in part because of hard working people such as yourself, have a single job and have little to no financial worries to speak of. It's one thing to be a hard-working citizen. it's quite another to tolerate that which should be intolerable. Think about the amount of things you could be doing while at your 2nd or 3rd job to better yourself in an increasingly competitive world... reading a book, learning a new language, traveling, making new friends, attending classes part-time, etc. but hey, maybe i'm wrong.
theacademy 10.06.11	ok this is what people seem to have a problem with: their lack of focus. They have a lot of equally cracked out and well intentioned solutions, you can read about them on facebook, but their first hurdle seems to be about getting their broader purposes heard (which has been ridiculous when you think about how long it took for the mainstream media to take notice (ESPECIALLY the snarky New York Times)).
BigHans 10.06.11	The funny thing I see here is I would bet 75% or more of these people voted for the current President believing his YES WE CAN bullshit.
cvlts 10.06.11	know a couple ppl involved in it. basically just protesting to protest and have civil disobedience, which is cool and all...but yeah
theacademy 10.06.11	strings mentioned a few of them up there... theres also a buncha talk about election reform
Skweetis 10.06.11	No, they're protesting the fact that 1% of the people have all the wealth, and they're doing a shitty job with their spending.
theacademy 10.06.11	"The funny thing I see here is I would bet 75% or more of these people voted for the current President believing his YES WE CAN bullshit." the funnier thing is that if McCain didn't have to pander to misinformed voters vehemently opposed to anything they mistake for "liberal," he would never have picked palin for a running mate, and he probably would have won.
BigHans 10.06.11	oh, and for the record, working 3 jobs is not exactly something to take pride in. that just means that you are getting screwed while the richest in the country who made their riches in part because of hard working people such as yourself, have a single job and have little to no financial worries to speak of. It's one thing to be a hard-working citizen. it's quite another to tolerate that which should be intolerable. ^ I worked 3 jobs in college to pay for college. I work two jobs now because I have a child support payment. I'm not angry at "the man." Hell, I once had a 90k a year job, and I still worked another job part time, just for extra cash/pay off bills, etc. I've also made alot of stupid decisions that were completely my own fault and I take accountability for, and I have to work extra because of them. Also, I dont buy the thing that people absolutley cannot find jobs. What they really mean is they cannot find "great" jobs.
MO 10.06.11	I think one of the biggest punches in the face to these protestors is the fact that the greed on wall street brought about a massive recession which fucked everyone except the richest who have safe guards in place to make sure they get paid out even more bonuses and then further get bailed out by the gov't. So a lack of regulation spurred a subpar crisis where greed took over and then they get bailed out. I can see why people would be pissed.
Testicus 10.06.11	No one in these responses knows the proper use of 'there,' 'their,' and 'they're.'
Testicus 10.06.11	They're taking their dog over there.
theacademy 10.06.11	people in new york can't find jobs. you can't pay rent in new york on a georgia farmer's salary. so unless you want to take your kids away from school and the yankees and have them grow up hating your guts, you gotta find a job around here.
Skweetis 10.06.11	I do Testicus, so wtf are you on :)
BigHans 10.06.11	the funnier thing is that if McCain didn't have to pander to misinformed voters vehemently opposed to anything they mistake for "liberal," he would never have picked palin for a running mate, and he probably would have won. ^ Dude, Acad, there was no way McCain was winning that election. It was the perfect storm for Obama.
theacademy 10.06.11	BASICALLY THE PREVAILING RESPONSE TO THE PROTESTS, IN THE NEWS AND ON THE INTERNET: ...is the same as the "Suggestions Thread" in the sputnik forum. When someone proposes a new idea, everybody focuses on why it would fail, and rushes to shoot it down in the snarkiest, douchiest way possible, so they can make a funny on a blog comment, instead of adding to it and making it better.
BigHans 10.06.11	But what is their idea? What exactly do they want? Socialism? Equal pay for everyone? What is the agenda?
theacademy 10.06.11	you forget how much appeal mccain had on both sides before he had to strategize/change his platform to run against obama. he was saving immigration, he was hosting SNL, he was mocking bush
BigHans 10.06.11	I see what you're saying but anybody save Christ himself running on the Republican ticket in 2008 was going to lose in a landslide.
theacademy 10.06.11	dude what are you talking about didn't obama only win by like 10 million voters
BigHans 10.06.11	He won the electoral vote 365-173. Thats a landslide. As an educated american, you know the popular vote doesn't mean anything.
theacademy 10.06.11	hey you're the one who brought it up: "The funny thing I see here is I would bet 75% or more of these people voted for the current President believing his YES WE CAN bullshit." ...buddy
BigHans 10.06.11	haha I see what you mean but 10 million is alot of votes dude. I mean, anyway you slice it, it was an ass kicking.
BigHans 10.06.11	Aside from that, the overriding theme of Obama's campaign was "change." What has he "changed" that is notable? He used to campaign about gas prices. They are the same now as they were then, even worse at times. Obama hasn't done squat.
theacademy 10.06.11	of the people who voted for one of our nation's two political parties 53% obama, 47% mccain "ass kicking"?
theacademy 10.06.11	he's the president, not a CEO or a King. also nice, subtle subject change... back to familiar ground
North0House2 10.06.11	I think it's all a waste of time and it's pretty anti-capitalist to be honest. I mean, I do sympathize with them, I'm so pissed off I can't get a job anywhere. Seriously, NOWHERE around here is hiring. But, I'm just gonna try and start my own business to compensate a bit for the time being. I honestly believe that the people protesting are somewhat lazy. They just need to go out and depend on themselves, not the government. Life's hard, so don't sit and complain about it. It's not like the economy can suddenly just turn around anyway, it's a slow and painful process and it's gonna take a long time.
BigHans 10.06.11	365-173. The Clinton Dole campaign is viewed as one of the biggest ass kickings in a long time. that electoral result was 379-159. Clinton beat Dole by 9 percentage points, only 3 higher than here, and you also have to take into account Ross Perot got 8% of votes, and if he hadn't been there the majority of his voters would have voted Republican.
BigHans 10.06.11	he's the president, not a CEO or a King. also nice, subtle subject change... back to familiar ground ^ I am well aware of that Acad. I was saying that during the election when morons were acting like he was the second coming of Christ and actually believing his rhetoric.
theacademy 10.06.11	why the fuck are you going back to the E we're talking about the P. because of what YOU said about who "THOSE PEOPLE" voted for
BigHans 10.06.11	Acad, who do you think the majority of these protesters voted for? Honestly. Take into account that an overwhelming percentage of people who would never have to protest over money would have been mcCain backers.
theacademy 10.06.11	the first part of that isn't really relevant, nor is it in dispute... i agreed with you 100% the second part of that isn't really relevant, and i'm pretty sure it's retarded
Slum 10.06.11	DOWN WITH THE CORPORATIONS. -posted from iPhone
theacademy 10.06.11	remember when i say "relevant" i mean "relevant to your claim that mccain could not have possibly won in 2008)"
BigHans 10.06.11	you think a statement saying the majority of the wealthy vote Republican is retarded? Pretty sure that has the same veracity as the sky is blue.
Gmork89 10.06.11	"He won the electoral vote 365-173. Thats a landslide. As an educated american, you know the popular vote doesn't mean anything. " YES!
witchxrapist 10.06.11	I'm for the protests because Wall Street is fucking us all over.
theacademy 10.06.11	thats not what you said though. like actually read what you said.
theacademy 10.06.11	Gmork: get the fuck out of thread for being so impressively stupid.
BigHans 10.06.11	Acad, you are splitting hairs. My statement about the popular vote meaning nothing was simply related to the fact that it is not the deciding factor in an election. I did not mean to equate it to my original statement that the majority of protestors would have been Obama backers, which is pretty ironic, especially since he just proposed a plan to tax the living fuck out of the wealthy, which seems to be exactly what this crowd wants.
theacademy 10.06.11	everybody who made it to 6th grade knows that the popular vote doesn't determine the election in the U.S. why is it relevant when originally, you were generalizing about the voting tendencies of the protesters? who obviously didn't cast electorate ballots
ScorpionStan 10.06.11	And to take it one step further, consider this Academy & Hans: until the market crash in October 2008, McCain was leading Obama by a substantial margin in all major polls -- WITH Sarah Palin on the ticket. If it wasn't for that crash, along with the mainstream media assault on Palin...McCain likely wins even with Sarah. Pretty crazy eh? The Obama "phenomenon" is really extremely exaggerated. Just goes to show the power of mainstream media more than anything -- they portrayed Obama as the perfect presidential candidate that had unanimous love and support from the country, when in fact there were PLENTY of people on both sides of the aisle that weren't buying the hype.
theacademy 10.06.11	jesus christ scorpionstan when did you come back
BigHans 10.06.11	everybody who made it to 6th grade knows that the popular vote doesn't determine the election in the U.S. ^ Dont be so sure about that. During the 2008 elections they were randomly interviewing voters on the street, some of them couldn't find the US on a fucking world map.
Gmork89 10.06.11	Chill out Acad, good hell.
BigHans 10.06.11	why is it relevant when originally, you were generalizing about the voting tendencies of the protesters? ^ It wasn't relevant to the original statement, nor was it intended to be. It was relevant to me saying the election was a landslide, which it was IMO. I went on a tangent. Im well known for doing that.
theacademy 10.06.11	still that's besides the point. mccain could have won if he didn't have to change his platform and get "that" vote
BigHans 10.06.11	well, we can all have opinions. IMO the Recession, the Iraq war, the mainstream media slant for Obama, and the overall hatred for Bush meant that McCain didn't have a chance in hell come election day, nor did any Republican. Add in Obama's charisma, which convinced alot of people to go out and vote that normally would not have.
theacademy 10.06.11	im just going to point out that your "opinion" is drawn from public opinion and when the public voted, it came out about 53% 47% and then im going to stop pointing this stuff out to you
Gmork89 10.06.11	I wrote in George Carlin so...
theacademy 10.06.11	now he'd have been a great fucking president
BigHans 10.06.11	and then im going to stop pointing this stuff out to you ^ What youre pointing out is that the difference between the two (10 million) is roughly the population of New York City. Thats alot of people imo. Six percentage points when you are talking about millions is substantial to me.
BigHans 10.06.11	sorry, NYC is 8 million. So basically NYC + Chicago. Why are we even arguing about this?
theacademy 10.06.11	because you just said that 6 percentage points fits your definition of "landslide"
theacademy 10.06.11	let's go back to this, which was completely ignored: "BASICALLY THE PREVAILING RESPONSE TO THE PROTESTS, IN THE NEWS AND ON THE INTERNET: ...is the same as the "Suggestions Thread" in the sputnik forum. When someone proposes a new idea, everybody focuses on why it would fail, and rushes to shoot it down in the snarkiest, douchiest way possible, so they can make a funny on a blog comment, instead of adding to it and making it better."
ScorpionStan 10.06.11	Hahaha Academy good to see you still tearing shit up. Just got too much going on to be on here much. BigHans just think about it -- ALL the things that were working against McCain: his lack of charisma, his age, his skin color, the recession, Sarah Palin, the mainstream media, the Bush hate, all this...and he STILL came within 3 percentage points of Obama. Obama is not and was not all he's cracked up to be.
BigHans 10.06.11	The actual figure is 7.27%. Its comparable to Bush's victory over Dukakis and Clinton's over Dole, which are both considered to be landslide elections.
BigHans 10.06.11	let's go back to this, which was completely ignored: "BASICALLY THE PREVAILING RESPONSE TO THE PROTESTS, IN THE NEWS AND ON THE INTERNET: ...is the same as the "Suggestions Thread" in the sputnik forum. When someone proposes a new idea, everybody focuses on why it would fail, and rushes to shoot it down in the snarkiest, douchiest way possible, so they can make a funny on a blog comment, instead of adding to it and making it better." ^ What exactly is "the new idea?'
BigHans 10.06.11	Obama is not and was not all he's cracked up to be. ^ That is certainly true.
theacademy 10.06.11	clinton/dole had the perrot factor and the figure is still off, so that one's not as good an exception as bush-dukakis
BigHans 10.06.11	I wonder if Slick Willie ever did any favors for H Ross after the fact cause the dude straight up got him elected in 1992. That and Bush's stupid "read my lips" statement.
theacademy 10.06.11	What exactly is "the new idea?' -accountability -corporate personhood -electoral reform (on multiple levels) -general civil rights/equality claims -increased regulation/supervision of financial institutions -federal support for student and homeowner debt (to name a few)
ScorpionStan 10.06.11	The funny thing to me is that the media crucified Bush for going back on "read my lips", when Obama has broken DOZENS of such promises and the media still kisses ass.
BloodSweatandBeers 10.06.11	"Obama is not and was not all he's cracked up to be." problem is he promised too much during a time when lots of shit (2 wars, crap economy) was against him. i'll admit he shouldntve promised all that change but the fact people did vote for him shows they really did want it, but it was too good to be true due to lobbyists/big corporations who have a fucking major stake in how anything really gets done in washington
ScorpionStan 10.06.11	Also Academy -- i wouldn't call any of those "new" ideas...but they are certainly VALID and sensible ideas.
theacademy 10.06.11	"and the media still kisses ass." lol what? i really don't see much of this anymore (and havent for quite some time)... ripping the peanut-headed GOP candidates =/= kissing obama's ass
theacademy 10.06.11	they're not BRAND new but they're still very much relevant more off the top of my head
BigHans 10.06.11	- accountability should be present in any govt -corporate personhood - a retarded thing to bitch about. Without corporations there are very few jobs. Its moronic to want to punish the very people that actually do supply jobs thinking that will somehow create more jobs. -electoral reform (on multiple levels) - will never happen -general civil rights/equality claims - pretty sure Americans have more civil rights than most nations -increased regulation/supervision of financial institutions - reeks of socialism -federal support for student and homeowner debt - why is it up to the government to bail people out?
BigHans 10.06.11	before I post this, I must state I do not follow Fox News nor consider myself a fan. However, I think its hilarious how people bash Fox news for being slanted when MSNBC and pretty much every major network has a liberal bias.
theacademy 10.06.11	if i was grading you, i'd give you half credit for the first two, full credit for the third, zero credit for the bottom three so you get 2/6 = 33% you fail
theacademy 10.06.11	msnbc is a fucking joke but it only really exists (in its current state) because of Fox News
BigHans 10.06.11	lol.
theacademy 10.06.11	also jon stewart and plenty of other good writers rip msnbc all the time
theacademy 10.06.11	chea boiii
TheNotrap 10.06.11	"if you are unsatisfied with your current position, get a different job. If one job isn't enough, get two" I believe I understand your point here Hans and I also agree. People are used to get everything for granted...but I also believe we are near an economic world wide collapse. Something need to change... RIP Esteve Jobs
BloodSweatandBeers 10.06.11	something definitely needs to change but nothing will because the rich keep getting richer and poor keep getting poorer due to dick head corporations. sure they provide jobs but they also destroy just as many as they provide, so saying that corporate personhood is bad is just dumb because it puts a face to the fuckwads reaping insane amounts of money at the expense of the common man
BigHans 10.06.11	if i was grading you, i'd give you half credit for the first two, full credit for the third, zero credit for the bottom three so you get 2/6 = 33% you fail ^ haha, heres the correct grade: 1. I think government should be accountable: correct. 1 point 2. It is moronic to punish the job creators and expect to get more jobs out of it: correct, 1 point 3. We will never see wide scale election reform: correct, 1 point 4. Americans have more civil rights than people of most nations: correct, 1 point 5. Increased regulation on financial institutions reeks of socialsim: half point, because we need something specific to argue this point 6. The govt should not be held accountable to bail people out: correct, 1 point. 5.5 out of 6. You fail at grading.
BigHans 10.06.11	something definitely needs to change but nothing will because the rich keep getting richer and poor keep getting poorer due to dick head corporations. sure they provide jobs but they also destroy just as many as they provide, so saying that corporate personhood is bad is just dumb because it puts a face to the fuckwads reaping insane amounts of money at the expense of the common man ^ I know about 70,000 people that work for Microsoft that would disagree. Who knows how many Google has. Apple employees are doing pretty good. but yeah, fuck the corporations man.
AngelofDeath 10.06.11	http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-wall-street/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Spec 10.06.11	Kill the rich.
BigHans 10.06.11	yeah man, kill anybody thats better than you man. man everyone should make exactly the same wage man. Fucking lucky rich bastards, all they care about is oppressing the poor, man. They didn't work at all for their living, I deserve just as much as they do even though I sit on my ass man.
Spec 10.06.11	Just taking the closed minded title of a song.
BigHans 10.06.11	lol I know Spec, was just having some fun
Spec 10.06.11	Honestly they can have all the money they want, Im still content just having enough to survive.
BigHans 10.06.11	I admire the majority of wealthy people. Ill probably never be one myself, but almost everyone that I know personally are wealthy for a damn good reason. Either they worked their asses off, are incredibly gifted/smart, etc.
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"Aside from that, the overriding theme of Obama's campaign was "change." What has he "changed" that is notable? He used to campaign about gas prices. They are the same now as they were then, even worse at times. Obama hasn't done squat." He's not an evil fetus eating lizard alien for starters. He could literally do nothing (which he has not) and he would be 10x better than bush which your ilk illegally pushed on us for an almost unbearable 8 years...
omnipanzer 10.06.11	If a BJ is an impeachable offence then an illegal war sure as hell should be.
Inveigh 10.06.11	regardless of the amount of Obama's suckage, the poor GOP can't seem to produce a half decent candidate to save their lives
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"well, we can all have opinions. IMO the Recession, the Iraq war, the mainstream media slant for Obama, and the overall hatred for Bush meant that McCain didn't have a chance in hell come election day, nor did any Republican. Add in Obama's charisma, which convinced alot of people to go out and vote that normally would not have." I wanted McCain until it was obvious he had turned into a completely spineless lackey.
dunchal 10.06.11	Holy fuck you guys are retards
omnipanzer 10.06.11	@ Inveigh They are a proper mess right now. All in fighting and no unification, Fuck'em.
dunchal 10.06.11	Holy fuck you guys are retards
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"Holy fuck you guys are retards" Irony
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"-corporate personhood - a retarded thing to bitch about. Without corporations there are very few jobs. Its moronic to want to punish the very people that actually do supply jobs thinking that will somehow create more jobs." It started as a good idea but is now exploited to it's fullest and needs to be changed. There is no real accountability for the shitty things corporations do now. "yeah man, kill anybody thats better than you man. man everyone should make exactly the same wage man. Fucking lucky rich bastards, all they care about is oppressing the poor, man. They didn't work at all for their living, I deserve just as much as they do even though I sit on my ass man." Typical A or B circular logic used by left and right party shills. If it's not A (preferable) then it's B (worst possible case scenario) without the possibility of something in between even if A and B are 25,000 steps apart. If your not winning your loosing, no such thing as compromise etc. etc .etc.
theacademy 10.06.11	"I think government should be accountable" pretty cool but why would anybody protest on Wall Street if they had a problem with government accountability. Sure, some folks have talked about our recent wars but "accountability" in this context is clearly concerned with the financial institutions that helped destroy our economy, then paid off their execs, then got bailed out for it. I felt sorry for you for missing the point, so i gave you half credit. "a retarded thing to bitch about. Without corporations there are very few jobs. Its moronic to want to punish the very people that actually do supply jobs thinking that will somehow create more jobs... It is moronic to punish the job creators and expect to get more jobs out of it" I think you need to look up what corporate personhood actually means. I gave you another half credit here because I think corporate personhood is a bad idea (generally), and i'm pretty sure once you learn what it means, you'll feel obligated to be opposed to it as well, although you won't put much thought into it and will probably say something similarly nonsensical to the quote up there. "We will never see wide scale election reform" correct, 1 point "Americans have more civil rights than people of most nations" yeah lets use THIS as a baseline that's a really AMERICAN thing to say, Hans. That's totally in line with our founding constitutional principles. You're totally right dude. -1 for being a faggot. "Increased regulation on financial institutions reeks of socialsim" -1 for not seeing how this is related to the first two and last goal. I should take off another point for using the word "socialism" in this context. Regulation does not necessarily mean redistribution. "The govt should not be held accountable to bail people out" right only the "job makers" who took their jobs away. It's not a question of "accountability" on the part of the government (although I suppose you could argue that). No offense but if you worked two jobs while in school, you probably didn't get as much out of school as you would have if you spent that time in the library. You want to know who "job makers" are? Smart people. They probably don't get to live as fulfilling lives as you (they might not have stories about flippin burgers and chugging beer or have some cute kids to make them pay child support) but those are the people who will actually make your world (or your kids' world) better--- not the ones you call "job creators"
BigHans 10.06.11	"Americans have more civil rights than people of most nations" yeah lets use THIS as a baseline that's a really AMERICAN thing to say, Hans. That's totally in line with our founding constitutional principles. You're totally right dude. -1 for being a faggot. ^ Inarguable point. Give me an extra one just for being wrong. That ones worth 2 for me now. "Increased regulation on financial institutions reeks of socialsim" -1 for not seeing how this is related to the first two and last goal. I should take off another point for using the word "socialism" in this context. Regulation does not necessarily mean redistribution. - I only gave myself half a point for that one. It's not a question of "accountability" on the part of the government (although I suppose you could argue that). No offense but if you worked two jobs while in school, you probably didn't get as much out of school as you would have if you spent that time in the library. You want to know who "job makers" are? Smart people. They probably don't get to live as fulfilling lives as you (they might not have stories about flippin burgers and chugging beer or have some cute kids to make them pay child support) but those are the people who will actually make your world (or your kids' world) better--- not the ones you call "job creators" - dude what are you talking about its obvious I support "job makers" whatever you want to define them as. And yeah, working two jobs took away some study time. Still pulled a 3.3 cause I'm me. I award your critique of my critique no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
BigHans 10.06.11	Typical A or B circular logic used by left and right party shills. If it's not A (preferable) then it's B (worst possible case scenario) without the possibility of something in between even if A and B are 25,000 steps apart. If your not winning your loosing, no such thing as compromise etc. etc .etc. ^ I was just having some fun there Omni, although I do know a few people that talk like that, think like that. They are the type that will never be more than a minimum wage worker because they are either too stupid to do anything else or have absolutely no drive.
omnipanzer 10.06.11	^ Yay BM quote.
theacademy 10.06.11	lol
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"I was just having some fun there Omni, although I do know a few people that talk like that, think like that. They are the type that will never be more than a minimum wage worker because they are either too stupid to do anything else or have absolutely no drive." I just get sick of seeing it in the middle of a conversation. It seems a popular trend these days. It is complete ridiculousness and makes me assume the realistic portion of the conversation is now over. ;^P
Athom 10.06.11	BigHans is turning into the new someguest.
BigHans 10.06.11	nah Adam I dont mock dead people.
omnipanzer 10.06.11	Seems to me Hans is stagnating but board. ;^P
Athom 10.06.11	dead people are dead. what's there to mock? i save my compassion for the living.
BigHans 10.06.11	He could literally do nothing (which he has not) and he would be 10x better than bush which your ilk illegally pushed on us for an almost unbearable 8 years... ^ Not a Bush supporter but there was much more prosperity in parts of his tenure than we have seen under Barry O. Bush's presidency was a combo of huge boom/busts. Obama has just been a bust so far. That said, Bush's election was indeed a colossal joke. I didn't support it, even though I didn't want Gore in office. I thought it was shady, and this is comign from a Repub.
BigHans 10.06.11	Adam you and I shouldnt talk politics cause youre a hipster atheisst liberal and Im a conservative quasi-redneck. Oil and water man. That said, we both jam alot of the same stuff and you like Def Leppard and sports so you'll always be alright with me. You guys would be surprised as to how many liberal friends I have, I find these kind of arguments extremely fun/entertaining.
Waior 10.06.11	i find it really funny but mostly uncomfortable when people assume those who aren't swimming in cash to be just sitting on their asses all the time i mean
theacademy 10.06.11	i think we can remove that "quasi-"... youre ready to graduate, chief
Athom 10.06.11	hey Hans, ESPN just announced they're permanently pulling Hank Jr's opening. fucks given, zero. but i await your winy post about it. cheers.
BigHans 10.06.11	i think we can remove that "quasi-"... youre ready to graduate, chief ^ well Im almost there but I don't have a truck yet and dont own any dogs and still have my teeth and graduated from college, but one can dream. Oh yes.
Athom 10.06.11	oh and I find them fun to. i'm trolling a republican over environmental issues right now on facebook.
BigHans 10.06.11	Adam wanted to let us know how many fucks he didn't give. ESPN is gay.
Athom 10.06.11	haha his comment on it was basically just "me and my rowdy friends are outta here. it was a good run"
Valerius 10.06.11	Man. You guys need to wake up. The world and the US government is ran by international corporations and banks, and has been for the last 400 years, back to the East India Company and the boom of international trade and the growth of naval power. None of these presidents make a damn bit of difference. They are nothing but a puppet put forth by these gangsters. You are all being lied to, disenfranchised, and robbed every day of your life. You are nothing but a slave. I'd say more, but you are in no condition to hear it. I'd suggest reading history for starters.
BigHans 10.06.11	well in the end it doesn't hurt Hank dude is set for life and I doubt any of his previous supporters stopped liking him after his comment. Doesn't change the fact that ESPN is massively gay though. Glad I don't have an Insider subscription anymore.
BigHans 10.06.11	Man. You guys need to wake up. The world and the US government is ran by international corporations and banks, and has been for the last 400 years, back to the East India Company and the boom of international trade and the growth of naval power. ^ dude, you're wrong. Its the fucking ILLUMINATI.
BloodSweatandBeers 10.06.11	bilderburgs control everything
theacademy 10.06.11	kill people burn shit love jews
BloodSweatandBeers 10.06.11	make money
Athom 10.06.11	more importantly, why was i unaware that Black Star were on Colbert last night!?
BigHans 10.06.11	You are nothing but a slave. ^ Yeah man, the reason I am mulling over about 3 job options is because some slave master told me I could. Whatever direction I take has been pre-destined. The US isn't free AT ALL.
theacademy 10.06.11	there is a hell believe me i've seen it there is a heaven it's covered in pizza.
BloodSweatandBeers 10.06.11	"Yeah man, the reason I am mulling over about 3 job options is because some slave master told me I could. Whatever direction I take has been pre-destined. The US isn't free AT ALL" wouldn't go that far but you guys are pretty damn suppressed for such a modern nation, at least 90%
Valerius 10.06.11	BigHans, you seem like a cool dude. But like I said, you aren't prepared for the truth, so you live in a state of denial. It's fine man, whatever gets you through life. I'm the masochistic type that will want the truth even if it drives me mad and destroys me. Dude you only have those three job options and that nice meal at your table tonight because someone else in the world was murdered and robbed.
theacademy 10.06.11	and its probably not even THAT nice a meal...
BigHans 10.06.11	wouldn't go that far but you guys are pretty damn suppressed for such a modern nation, at least 90% ^ dude, 90% of this country is not suppressed. The truth of the matter is there will always be have and have-nots wherever you go. There is no law in this country that states only a certain type of person can be rich. Anybody has the opportunity to do so. Its a matter of whether one posesses the proper skill, desire, and yes, there is a degree of luck involved at times. But there are plenty of people who got where they are because they fucking EARNED it. I don't think people should bitch about that just because they aren't at the same level. To quote Judge Smails from Caddyshack, "the world needs ditch diggers too." And yes, before you libs get your panties up, I used that quote for entertainmetn purposes.
BigHans 10.06.11	Dude you only have those three job options and that nice meal at your table tonight because someone else in the world was murdered and robbed. ^ No Im pretty damn sure its because I have excelled at my job and have been putting my resume out.
Waior 10.06.11	"There is no law in this country that states only a certain type of person can be rich. Anybody has the opportunity to do so." yes on a golden platter, the american dream. it obviously works otherwise nobody would be poor... only the unmotivated. ugh
BigHans 10.06.11	Waior it has nothing to do with a golden platter. That is the opposite of what Im saying. Not everybody can be rich. Do you propose that everyone be treated equally from a financial compensation standpoint? I mean, the CEO of my company, Steve Balmer, is probably worth $40 billion dollars. Should I be pissed that he makes more than me, a lowly pleab, and demand equality?
Crysis 10.06.11	typical hans list
BigHans 10.06.11	Im here for your entertainment Crysis
theacademy 10.06.11	you don't really wanna mess with him tonight leave your drink just give him the money
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"Man. You guys need to wake up. The world and the US government is ran by international corporations and banks, and has been for the last 400 years, back to the East India Company and the boom of international trade and the growth of naval power." ^ Pulling out well trod history and twisting it to fit your agenda FTL
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"Dude you only have those three job options and that nice meal at your table tonight because someone else in the world was murdered and robbed." ^ point that can be made about any terran civilization ever.
Crysis 10.06.11	"Im here for your entertainment Crysis" Always entertaining to see people both conservative and liberal with their heads so far up their own asses that they refuse to acknowledge that the other side has some good ideas and their own side has some bad ones.
Hocmat 10.06.11	uhhh they are mad about corporations and banks ruining the global economy for their own gain. Seems fair enough... it's fucked up that 50% of the wealth is owned by 1% of the population in the U.S. isn't it?
Crysis 10.06.11	"it's fucked up that 50% of the wealth is owned by 1% of the population in the U.S. isn't it" It's actually in the low 40's but yeah it's pretty fucked up
Alexcore 10.06.11	considering the fact that US is the center of capitalism, it is not so weird that wall street is people's main target of protest. the anger comes from what wall street represents.
Valerius 10.06.11	It's cool, omni. You guys believe whatever you want. You can believe in Jesus, you can believe in the land of the free, you can believe you are in control. Whatever. Open your eyes. Walk down the street. Look for the hidden "security" cameras. Notice that GPS transponder and microphone in that cell phone you carry everywhere. Look at the foreign wars we have been waging in the name of "democracy". Look at the WTC 7 fall into its own shadow at free-fall speed. Look at Kennedy's brain fly out the back of his head. I could go on but it wouldn't do any good. So...please enjoy your ignorance. I wish I could.
BloodSweatandBeers 10.06.11	"But there are plenty of people who got where they are because they fucking EARNED it." what about the guy who laid brick, your average joe his whole life then sees his life savings completely disappear due to greedy bastards on wall street who fuck everything up to get a bonus. oh yea they definitely earned their commission, they're doing such great and hard work
Trebor. 10.06.11	I see what you're saying but anybody save Christ himself running on the Republican ticket in 2008 was going to lose in a landslide. But Christ is liberal as fuck
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"It's cool, omni. You guys believe whatever you want. You can believe in Jesus, you can believe in the land of the free, you can believe you are in control. Whatever." Yes I have the capacity to believe whatever I wish, we agree. "Open your eyes. Walk down the street. Look for the hidden "security" cameras. Notice that GPS transponder and microphone in that cell phone you carry everywhere. Look at the foreign wars we have been waging in the name of "democracy". Look at the WTC 7 fall into its own shadow at free-fall speed. Look at Kennedy's brain fly out the back of his head. I could go on but it wouldn't do any good. So...please enjoy your ignorance. I wish I could." Why would you want to enjoy my ignorance... enjoy your own you fruit.
BigHans 10.06.11	what about the guy who laid brick, your average joe his whole life then sees his life savings completely disappear due to greedy bastards on wall street who fuck everything up to get a bonus. oh yea they definitely earned their commission, they're doing such great and hard work ^ investment bankers on Wall Street do not comprise the totality of the wealthy demographic in America. These people are consistently whining about the 1%. Heres a quick example on why this is retarded. Steve Jobs was probably in that 1% Steve Jobs, who created hundreds of thousands of extremely well paying jobs and influenced countless other companies to innovate and create, creating more jobs. Alot of those protesters worship him and his products. But he represents the evil 1% I guess. Are there rich people who are total greedy assholes who should be prosecuted? Hell yes. That does not mean that everyone who is rich should be admonished. I say that many of them should be fucking commended. RIP Jobs. Pretty strong statement coming from a Microsoft guy.
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"I see what you're saying but anybody save Christ himself running on the Republican ticket in 2008 was going to lose in a landslide. But Christ is liberal as fuck" And they earned that distrust js.
BigHans 10.06.11	Anybody who says money is the root of all evil DOESNT FUCKING HAVE IT - Ben Afflec, Boiler Room.
Valerius 10.06.11	It's cool. This is a music site. I argue over albums here. Please continue.
BigHans 10.06.11	"Open your eyes. Walk down the street. Look for the hidden "security" cameras. Notice that GPS transponder and microphone in that cell phone you carry everywhere. Look at the foreign wars we have been waging in the name of "democracy". Look at the WTC 7 fall into its own shadow at free-fall speed. Look at Kennedy's brain fly out the back of his head. I could go on but it wouldn't do any good. So...please enjoy your ignorance. I wish I could." ^ Dude, the NEW WORLD ORDER is after me. Its comprised of free masons, the illuminati, the skull and bones group at Yale, and a few random sheep herders in Kuwait. Its a conspiracy.
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"I'm truly saddened to learn of Steve Jobs' death. Melinda and I extend our sincere condolences to his family and friends, and to everyone Steve has touched through his work. Steve and I first met nearly 30 years ago, and have been colleagues, competitors and friends over the course of more than half our lives. The world rarely sees someone who has had the profound impact Steve has had, the effects of which will be felt for many generations to come. For those of us lucky enough to get to work with him, it's been an insanely great honor. I will miss Steve immensely." - Bill Gates (A Microsoft Guy)
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"It's cool. This is a music site. I argue over albums here. Please continue." Thank you for the permission to continue.
BigHans 10.06.11	Yep. Gates is a stud. Fuck the haters. And I thought this before working at MS, so not drinking the kool-aid. Dude has made many many people millionaires by being a visionary.
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"the haters" The Gates "haters" generally have no idea what they are talking about js.
Crysis 10.06.11	"Yep. Gates is a stud. Fuck the haters. And I thought this before working at MS, so not drinking the kool-aid. Dude has made many many people millionaires by being a visionary." Plus he's a very generous philanthropist. I respect him so much - SO much - more than Jobs.
FreePizzaDay 10.06.11	Bill Gates has given more money to cancer charities than Obama has to crackheads AND THAT SAYS SOMETHING
Hocmat 10.06.11	"Are there rich people who are total greedy assholes who should be prosecuted? Hell yes. That does not mean that everyone who is rich should be admonished. I say that many of them should be fucking commended." I agree, to an extent. If you completely revolutionize the market of a certain product and create jobs for more hardworking people, you deserve to make that much money. If you're banker who steals people's jobs, houses, ect then you can go fall on a dick.
Trebor. 10.06.11	Jobs created Pixar man
omnipanzer 10.06.11	PIXAR!
Crysis 10.06.11	"Jobs created Pixar man" He didn't create them, he bought out a company and re-named it. It was owned originally by LucasFilm.
Uranium 10.06.11	" fuck the haters" -pruane2forever
omnipanzer 10.06.11	I'm betting Jobs hasn't done more than fund or partially fund anything in 25 years. Edit: and make a pile of good decisions of course.
FreePizzaDay 10.06.11	Would you bet your job on it?
omnipanzer 10.06.11	So you think he came up with the iPhone or the iPad or the iPod all by himself huh?
Uranium 10.06.11	the ceo has has final say in decisions and creates a general plan of what they want for a project, but it is the committee below that make all the technical advances and the ceo says yay or no to them
omnipanzer 10.06.11	No shit...
BigHans 10.06.11	Gates came and talked to my training class when I was in Redmond, it was during the last month of his tenure as CEO before stepping down from MS. I was probably 15 feet away from him for about an hour. He just stood up there and took questions from all of us, on anything. He seems like a down to earth guy who is extremely nerdy and really, and I mean really passionate about technology. He is about as unassuming as anybody worth 60 billion can be.
theacademy 10.06.11	gates did more for humanity than jobs
FreePizzaDay 10.06.11	"I'm betting Jobs hasn't done more than fund or partially fund anything in 25 years." Don't make this a smaller deal than it actually is. Staking millions of your own dollars on revolutionary technology that might not catch on is a risky venture but a necessary one if we want to make technological leaps.
omnipanzer 10.06.11	"I'm betting Jobs hasn't done more than fund or partially fund anything in 25 years." Don't make this a smaller deal than it actually is. Staking millions of your own dollars on revolutionary technology that might not catch on is a risky venture but a necessary one if we want to make technological leaps. One has nothing to do with the other. I didn't say he didn't helm the creation of many groundbreaking items I just said he didn't do it himself. It happened as the result of him pushing a small army in the direction he wanted them to go. I was simply correcting a statement made above about how he created PIXAR which isn't accurate at all. That is all.
BigHans 10.06.11	Its kind of like saying Gates wrote the code for Windows XP.
Trebor. 10.06.11	I know he didn't actually create Pixar I saw that documentary
Waior 10.06.11	"Steve Balmer, is probably worth $40 billion dollars. Should I be pissed that he makes more than me, a lowly pleab, and demand equality?" did I say that? things are circumstantial and it's irritating that there's an assumption people who have money worked hard to earn it (and i'm sure they did) and people who don't have money obviously do nothing at all. earning something is only half the job doesn't help being a social worker for my side of the argument but i figure somewhere you'll agree with me steve jobs also something about him too
Waior 10.06.11	"Steve Balmer, is probably worth $40 billion dollars. Should I be pissed that he makes more than me, a lowly pleab, and demand equality?" did I say that? things are circumstantial and it's irritating that there's an assumption people who have money worked hard to earn it (and i'm sure they did) and people who don't have money obviously do nothing at all. earning something is only half the job doesn't help being a social worker for my side of the argument but i figure somewhere you'll agree with me steve jobs also something about him too
Maniac! 10.06.11	late to the party, but saw this: "^ Dude, Acad, there was no way McCain was winning that election. It was the perfect storm for Obama." When you have 8 years of mostly bad policies under a conservative, all the young people are going to rush to "the other side" in hopes that it will fix everything. Too bad Obama is a moderate at best and they didn't vote for the liberal they were hoping for.
Uranium 10.06.11	KILLBILLathegates would sick sover band bro
theacademy 10.06.11	i haven't actually marched with them but whenever im drunk and in the area i bring them donuts or old mastadon CDs or halloween candy
theacademy 10.06.11	mastodon
Crysis 10.06.11	u guys should picket the local mcdonalds fuckin capitalist scum
theacademy 10.06.11	last time i picketed mcdonalds i gained 14 lbs
omnipanzer 10.06.11	u guys should pick-nick at the local mcdonalds last time i pick-nicked at mcdonalds i gained 14 lbs * fixed
foreverendeared 10.06.11	why did you take your lunch break there
foreverendeared 10.06.11	fuck
bungy 10.06.11	didn't read thread but i started those protests after the closest grocery outlet ran out of cinnamon toast crunch wtf 4 boxes
djunior 10.06.11	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFz1VVXsWRU he sums it up pretty well for the most part. The USD is declining in value to a point that other countries that use it for trade (China etc) are slowly and discreetly stopping to use it. I dont feel like writing an essay about the details and shit, but a lot of people are begining to speculate that the USD will become obsolete very soon if the fed doesnt fix their shit. whatever happens, happens.
theacademy 10.27.11	for Hans: http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19199894?nclick_check=1 (he works in IT)