FrankRedHot: NCAA Football=disgusted

FrankRedHot 08.18.11	Discuss!
FromDaHood 08.18.11	How did this all come about? Did Shapiro get arrested or something and try to plea bargain?
iFghtffyrdmns 08.18.11	Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.
BigHans 08.18.11	Pit when I read that Yahoo sports exclusive my heart actually broke for you, true story.
BigHans 08.18.11	I mean Miami is fucked, as in mid 80s SMU fucked.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	"How did this all come about? Did Shapiro get arrested or something and try to plea bargain?" Shapiro was tried and convicted on federal charges for a $930 million ponzi scheme. When he was convictd, Miami removed his name from several parts of the campus that were named for him. He became enraged and wanted revenge, so he came out and did several interviews with Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports, claiming he had proof of everything. It turns out that sometimes criminals don't lie all of the time, as he has several pictures and several receipts dating back to 2002.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	They won't hand out the death penalty again, Hans. They just can't do that, not to any school. SMU will never recover, and that's unfair. It truly is. I believe, and hope, that the NCAA realizes this, as UM would not ever recover.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	I mean, I own several UM jersies(Sean Taylor, Ray Lewis, Willis McGahee, Jeremy Shockey, etc), tons of UM memorabilia, and I already have tickets bought that I'm not guaranteed to even use this year because I don't live in Miami anymore. That's how deep my loyalty for this school goes. I don't necessarily feel betrayed, though. I feel more along the lines of disappointed, knowing we were just a step or two away from national prominence again. I feel bad for the other fans, but most of all, for Al Golden and the kids(minus the dirty dozen) on this team that never accepted shit from anyone.
Trebor. 08.18.11	I could never get into college football The lack of playoffs disturbs me
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	People's lack of passion for college football disturbs me. The THEORY is that these kids play for their school and the fans, not for the money. The passion in college football is only rivaled by that of European soccer. The crowds are insane, the students are insane, and the stadiums are always rocking(literally). What's not to love?
BigHans 08.18.11	honestly this type of shit goes on at every major school, its just amplified because of South Beach. I hate the NCAA but obviously rules are rules, if they dont bring the hammer down hard here they will set a bad precedent.
BigHans 08.18.11	Also, Sharpiro will probably get iced in prison now. The only thing worse than a child molestor is a rat, at least in prison code. At least I think.
BigHans 08.18.11	But I'm a Michigan fan so I'm completely biased. ^ haha figured that out when you said death pentalty for OSU
londoncalling457 08.18.11	saw this on sportscenter this morning, not really surprised, miami's probably not alone as far as stuff like this happening goes.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	Tressel wasn't that bad, though. He just turned a blind eye to what was going on. In this case, coaches were directly involved. There are pictures of basketball coaches, along with players, attending a party at strip club in Miami thrown by Shapiro. There's also plenty of rumors that Frank Haith, the head basketball coach until a few months ago, was one of Shapiro's biggest fans. He loves the prostitutes.
Romulus 08.18.11	ah pit i really feel for you man. obviously it's tough to sympathize too much as we're on opposite ends here but i've always preferred miami out of the other florida schools (might be enhanced cause i'm applying there soon). i'm sure golden will be up to the task as best as he can be
ARuinedEmpire 08.18.11	"People's lack of passion for college football disturbs me. The THEORY is that these kids play for their school and the fans, not for the money." You just described why prefer college sports to pro sports.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	Yeah, I'm praying Golden stays. He's a stand-up guy who's doing/saying all the right things. The only thing good that will come out of this is that we Hurricane fans won't have to put up with Jacory Harris anymore, as he is one of the dirty dozen. On the other side of the coin, Sean Spence, our best LB possibly one of the best in the country, is also a part of the dirty dozen. It's painful. Pit's Last 4 Days: Monday- This guy's a convicted liar. Who's gonna believe him? Tuesday- Proof? What proof? I haven't seen any proof! Stop hating on the U! Wednesday- Oh shit.... Today- Is the NBA lockout over yet?
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	If Jerome Brown were still alive, Shapiro would've been in a pine box right now before he felt the need to talk.
BigHans 08.18.11	yeah theres no way this guys lying he has MOUNTAINS of proof
bungy 08.18.11	I fucking hate the NCAA Dude your music taste is awesome
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	Shapiro's got tons of proof, but I'm beginning to question Charles Robinson's motivation behind all of this. He was on Lebatard the other day back home(listen on the internet) and he's talking about making sure he does the right thing. Is that why you've been on every single investigation before the NCAA the last 6 or 7 times a major school has been sanctioned? Or are you just dying for attention and you can't write anything else? Thanks Bungy. I know.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	Fuck all of you. I don't wanna talk about it, either.
808muzik 08.18.11	Feelsbadman. Trojans fan, and I fucking hate the NCAA. But rules are rules, and they shouldn't give The U the death penalty. But I can see the NCAA doing that.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	No one should get the death penalty. Ever. It completely ruins and devestates a program. No need for that. No need to punish a school for the rest of its existence.
808muzik 08.18.11	I know. But that's how the NCAA is.
DominionMM1 08.18.11	As a Noles fan, I can't say I'm too broken up over this. As a sports fan, I can't stand the hypocrisy of the NCAA.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	I agree. Luckily Paul Dee, who was the AD at UM when this all began in '02, is part of the NCAA Rules Committee. As much as I despise Dee, I hope he can do something to prevent an overreaction.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	"As a Noles fan, I can't say I'm too broken up over this. " As a Noles fan, you need to probably realize your school is just as corrupt as every other school in the state. However, I would be sympathetic towards FSU(despite my hatred) because there's a certain amount of respect between the two schools and their fans, unlike with UF.
MrSenior 08.18.11	Sorry man. I'm an avid Notre Dame fan but live in Ohio, so I've seen what the OSU scandal was like 1sthand. I mean I think what "The U" did was much worse, but here's hoping the NCAA doesn't dismantle them. The problem is the NCAA loves to punish for the past, but in this case, what's gonna happen. They should really go after the people (read: coaches, players, admins) who were involved and not necessarily the program, but that won't happen.
MrSenior 08.18.11	Also, the argument for paying players is on life support now. Just sayin'
DominionMM1 08.18.11	I fucking hate Florida. And I do realize there's "corruption" at FSU, along with pretty much every other big school.
toxin. 08.18.11	This doesn't surprise me at all. I'm pretty sure 98%, if not all 100%, of schools do stuff like this. Like OSU. Like USC. The system doesn't work.
DominionMM1 08.18.11	Many of these infractions by these schools I don't see as a huge problem. Some guy sells his ring and gets some free tats, big fucking deal.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	Just remember, as UM has shown this summer, there is always a school who's embroiled in more controversy out there. "They should really go after the people (read: coaches, players, admins) who were involved and not necessarily the program, but that won't happen. " I agree Senior; however, it's impossible to punish some of the players/coaches that were involved, because they've moved on from college football. The NCAA and the NFL need to create a joint venture where former players in the NFL get suspended without pay for past infractions in college. Hit them hard with it, as well. The NFL should also fine agents who have been proven to have had contact with NCAA atheletes, and maybe even revoke their rights for representation in the NFL for a year. That would stop this shit right now. They also need to at least give the players a stipend for coming to school to play football. These kids haven't any time to work, even in the offseason, because academic restrictions are so tough(especially at Miami) that it's almost impossible for them to play football, work, and study all at the same time. I think it's time they start giving these kids at least something, because these are atheletes. They need to eat and drink. But this strip club/restaurant/car shit needs to stop. These young kids coming from the ghetto haven't seen any of that life, so what do you think is going to happen when you wave a stack of cash and VIP passes to Space and the keys to a Mercedes in their face? OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT!!!
MrSenior 08.18.11	The problem is the NCAA loves to look the other way, but when some other agency or the media gets word of something, they love acting like they give a shit. I love college football, but the NCAA is frustrating as hell.
Satellite 08.18.11	agreed with your last paragraph so much pit. it's sort of disgusting how many scumbags profit off of these kids, and all the while the powers that be scoff at the notion of throwing a little money the athletes' way.
omnipanzer 08.18.11	Edit: I was being inflammatory but it didn't work...
toxin. 08.18.11	@FrankRedHot, I don't know about not getting paid. There are people JUST like them (read: normal college students) who not only lack the money for food & shit but also don't get scholarships. I mean in reality, assuming they go to an out of state college/ private university, these players are getting $10-45K a year. These kids are getting a free education that could get them a real job after football. And even if they choose not to learn anything, after football they could go into broadcasting. And they make like $2 million, if they're not good. Maybe they should take student loans and be like regular citizens. Hell if they borrowed $10000 over four years, even with interest they'd be able to pay that off easy by the time their first paycheck arrives
Satellite 08.18.11	yeah, but athletes bring in a ton of revenue for the university. having them be compensated slightly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
808muzik 08.18.11	Honestly, I'm going to be pretty outraged if Miami doesn't get harsh penalties. I don't have anything personal against Miami but the Reggie Bush scandal seems like a misdemeanor compared to this. Comparing the two, I wouldn't call the death penalty far off (again, I am strongly against the death penalty).
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	"Hell if they borrowed $10000 over four years, even with interest they'd be able to pay that off easy by the time their first paycheck arrives" How can these kids from the ghetto receive a school loan? Their parents, more than likely(as stereotypical as it is) have shit credit while they have the same/no credit. They have nothing that would enable them to receive a student loan; although, I might not understand the process 100%, since I didn't go to college. These kids have no money to eat or go out. The NCAA needs to at least allow enough for that.
omnipanzer 08.18.11	Every penny of profit should go to students in need or against the federal funding IMO.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	"Honestly, I'm going to be pretty outraged if Miami doesn't get harsh penalties. I don't have anything personal against Miami but the Reggie Bush scandal seems like a misdemeanor compared to this. Comparing the two, I wouldn't call the death penalty far off (again, I am strongly against the death penalty)." So you want to punish current/future students and fans for the rest of Miami's existence? No offense, but that seems completely unfair. I believe a 5 year probation with a loss of scholarships and post-season play would be effective enough. Don't kill the program. That's just unfair. It was unfair at SMU, and it will be unfair to any other school they dole it out to.
toxin. 08.18.11	Yeah that's always the catch. It's a tough thing to balance. But I don't think paying them would solve anything. If you give each player $100 per week, what happens when they want to buy something they can't afford? I'd like to think that these kids are responsible enough not to buy things they can't afford, but I don't.
DominionMM1 08.18.11	Wasn't Terrell Pryor allowed to play in OSU's last bowl game AFTER the NCAA found out about some of his infractions? @xtoxin- These players are NOT normal college students. They bring in millions for the universities, unlike most of their fellow students.
808muzik 08.18.11	Did I say that I want the death penalty? No, I'm saying the NCAA can and will dish that out. All I'm saying is that if USC got pretty much the harshest penalties since SMU, Miami is in for a world of hurt. And I would be unhappy if they weren't, because their offenses seem much worse than USC's.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	"Yeah that's always the catch. It's a tough thing to balance. But I don't think paying them would solve anything. If you give each player $100 per week, what happens when they want to buy something they can't afford? I'd like to think that these kids are responsible enough not to buy things they can't afford, but I don't." Then start having an NCAA rules official at each campus to monitor the situation. Someone who has no ties to the university, so there is no bias. "Did I say that I want the death penalty? No, I'm saying the NCAA can and will dish that out. All I'm saying is that if USC got pretty much the harshest penalties since SMU, Miami is in for a world of hurt. And I would be unhappy if they weren't, because their offenses seem much worse than USC's." Do you realize you just contradicted yourself? You said you don't want the death penalty, and then you said you'd be unhappy if it weren't dished out. Make up your mind please.
toxin. 08.18.11	And I don't think it works that way. Student loans give loans with the assumption that said student will be able to pay it off. I don't know how it works either, but I figure it's basic logic. It helps to have parents with good credit scores just in case the student can't pay off the loan, BUT the loan is going for the student and the student himself. You mean to tell me that people making the loans would be adverse to loaning out money to future NFL players? I mean with interest, they'd end up making money easily, and the only risk is a player flaming out of the NFL (but seriously the 15th round draft picks still make enough to pay off a small student loan) or getting injured (the real danger). I think the real issue is what Satellite said. That these kids are bringing in revenue, and are scholarships enough?
omnipanzer 08.18.11	"If you give each player $100 per week, what happens when they want to buy something they can't afford?" Perhaps if they get credit towards goods (better food, name brand supplies) or upgraded living quarters? Stuff all college students struggle with. Cash probably wouldn't be good in the hands of any student.
MrSenior 08.18.11	I agree. I don't even think it'd be that hard to create the joint venture, but it'd need done soon. I guess I'm fine with a stipend, but I also look at it this way: i have assloads of student loans- these guys can get loans while they're in college too. I understand many of the athletes do not come from well-off backgrounds, but the government will certainly help with loans.
808muzik 08.18.11	I'm saying I would be unhappy if they weren't harshly punished. The death penalty may be the harshest punishment they can get, but that's not what I want for them. Although I can see it happening. A few years postseason ban and scholarship reductions is what I mean at the least.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	Yeah, xtoxin, I'm not claiming to know how the student loan process works. I'm just going on my assumptions. The whole thing is a tragedy. These other 48 players on the UM roster are poised for great things, yet all of these "great things" will be wiped away because 12 of their current teammates(plus countless former teammates) were greedy. I blame Nevin Shapiro and the school, but these kids need to start using common sense. I understand that the temptation of "living the life" when you come from nothing is strong, but your conscience should be stronger.
toxin. 08.18.11	@Dominion, but is it quite that simple? Do the players bring in all the revenue? I mean the answer is yes and no, right? Like yeah, USC (for example) only gets the money because the players are playing the games, but at the same time, part of the money flows because the players are playing under USC's name. So the question becomes, IS scholarship money adequate for these players? Players who are going to be grossly overpaid for what they do, anyways. And what about Cam Newton? If Auburn were to pay their players under the idea that they're bringing in revenue, well I can argue that Cam Newton was responsible for 15% of all of Auburn's revenue. (Possibly more) Then what?
DominionMM1 08.18.11	"Then start having an NCAA rules official at each campus to monitor the situation. Someone who has no ties to the university, so there is no bias." The last thing you'd want is an NCAA official for something like that because they can't be trusted to do the right thing. As I pointed out in a previous post, several OSU players were allowed to play in the last Sugar Bowl, which took place 3 weeks after the NCAA found out about player infractions.
UnnamedOcean 08.18.11	I'm really glad to be going to a college without an NCAA football team. Colleges put way too much focus on sports. My last school dumped tons of money into our football program even when the players couldn't play their way out of a burlap sack. No full ride scholarships for being able to throw a ball at my school now.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	"USC (for example) only gets the money because the players are playing the games, but at the same time, part of the money flows because the players are playing under USC's name." Not exactly true. The players bring in a good percentage of the revenue. You have to put out a good product on the field to make money. Miami is a perfect example. If anything, Miami should be able to make money just off of their name due to their national prominence in the 80's and 90's, but they lost money between 1995-2000, because no one wanted to go see mediocre players on a football field.
FrankRedHot 08.18.11	"The last thing you'd want is an NCAA official for something like that because they can't be trusted to do the right thing. As I pointed out in a previous post, several OSU players were allowed to play in the last Sugar Bowl, which took place 3 weeks after the NCAA found out about player infractions." They were still investigating these infractions. You're innocent until proven guilty. You can't suspend a player for accusations and rumors, which is exactly what those findings were in December/January.
DominionMM1 08.18.11	08.18.11 [Report this Post] @Dominion, but is it quite that simple? Do the players bring in all the revenue? I mean the answer is yes and no, right? Like yeah, USC (for example) only gets the money because the players are playing the games, but at the same time, part of the money flows because the players are playing under USC's name. So the question becomes, IS scholarship money adequate for these players? Players who are going to be grossly overpaid for what they do, anyways. And what about Cam Newton? If Auburn were to pay their players under the idea that they're bringing in revenue, well I can argue that Cam Newton was responsible for 15% of all of Auburn's revenue. (Possibly more) Then what? Without Cam Newton, Auburn wouldn't have been in the SEC championship game or the BCS title game. I can only imagine the revenue Auburn got for those games.
toxin. 08.18.11	@Pit, I'm sure there's some balance. They'll lose revenue if they're not putting a good team out there, but at the same time, I'm sure USC with an 8-5 team would make more money than UVA (Virginia I don't know if that's the proper abbreviation) with an 11-2 team, unless they made it to a BCS bowl. Of course the players bring in most of the revenue, but it's like that in professional athletics, and no one advocates that those players make all the revenue. There has to be a balance, so the question becomes how much? Personally I like Omnipanzer's idea but there are problems with it. For example, how do you allot a certain amount of money to food? Do you give them credit to a grocery store? What about restaurant fare? How much money is necessary to feed a football player for a week, because they eat a lot? What about the linemen who presumably eat more than the other players? Do they get more money?
toxin. 08.18.11	And Dominion, that's exactly my point. So how much money should he have gotten, if some method of payment were in check? Are we really paying them for the value they bring to the team, or is that just a front to give them some kind of compensation to avoid shit like what happened here?
DominionMM1 08.18.11	They were still investigating these infractions. You're innocent until proven guilty. You can't suspend a player for accusations and rumors, which is exactly what those findings were in December/January. No, the NCAA decided BEFORE the Sugar Bowl that the players would start their suspension the next season.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	You're right, Dominion. My fault. Lol just got done watching "The U" documentary. Deja vu.....
rjmunthe 08.19.11	Whatever, you're just bitter from '02. And I hate the Bucks. But they didn't deserve that crap. The U does.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Lol, and you say I'm bitter? Jesus Christ, kid. I'm not bitter about 02. Everyone outside of Columbus wanted to watch that program suffer, not just Hurricane fans.
rjmunthe 08.19.11	Yeah, but they got shafted. OSU did, at least. How am I bitter? Bucks fans are annoying, I dislike the Buckeyes and Gee is full of himself. But OSU didn't deserve what happened. It was bullshit. What coach on the face of the planet isn't going to cover for his players? I mean, seriously.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	How did OSU get shafted? Lol, they violated the rules and got punished. That's hardly getting shafted. And it doesn't matter if he "covered for his players" or not. The rules state you don't hide violations from the NCAA.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	And by the way, all they received so far was players being suspended. Tressell wasn't removed by the NCAA. He resigned. So really, how can you say that got shafted? Sounds like you're making a bunch of claims without knowing the facts.
rjmunthe 08.19.11	My point is is because EVERY COACH HIDES violations from the NCAA. Jesus Christ. Tressel had to step down because ESPN was raping his ass on a daily basis. I hate the NCAA, anyway. This current regime is ruining college football.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	No, Tressell had to step down because he was in the wrong and didn't want to be there when the hammer came down. He was probably forced out by the school(not the NCAA) as well. So please, I'm still struggling to find your point in all of this, besides OSU got shafted. "My point is is because EVERY COACH HIDES violations from the NCAA." What a revelation! I'm sure no one knows this! Thanks!
rjmunthe 08.19.11	My point? OSU got shafted. ESPN took a minor story and made it major. And, fuck off you twat. All you do is troll like a motherfucker.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Ummmmm.... they didn't take a minor story and made it major. Pay for play or receiving any benefits as a student-athelete is a major offense in the NCAA. So please, explain how they got shafted, because you're not making any sense. And telling me I'm a troll has nothing to do with this. You're just grasping at straws now because you're realizing you're getting hammered in this thread.
DominionMM1 08.19.11	"My point? OSU got shafted. ESPN took a minor story and made it major. And, fuck off you twat. All you do is troll like a motherfucker." Whoa, take it easy. Anyway, isn't OSU getting off kind of easy on this?
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	^This
rjmunthe 08.19.11	No, because no one payed for play. Bullshit on that tattoo parlor story. He just wanted to make a quick buck. And how am I getting hammered? You think it's a big deal. I don't.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Lol hold on. I think it's a big deal? Aren't you the one screaming about how OSU got shafted? Please tell me you're a troll. It's impossible for someone to be this dumb.
rjmunthe 08.19.11	Bro, you are getting your words and ideas all twisted around. You'd better just stop now. It's not a big deal, as in this was never anything for people to get suspended or forced to step down for. But you can't read, or comprehend, so never mind, think what you want. :) Yeah, I'm trolling. That's most of what I do. I wasn't trolling at first, but your idiocy made me want to revert to troll.
DominionMM1 08.19.11	Didn't some of the OSU players sell some of their jerseys or rings or something, too?
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Yep, you're not trolling at all. You're just a moron.
rjmunthe 08.19.11	They did. It's their items to sell. They won the things. I would have done the same thing. Okay, my gangsta
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	"They did. It's their items to sell. They won the things. I would have done the same thing." And they knew full well it was illegal to do in the NCAA, and that's why they tried to hide it. Wait til after college. It's that simple.
DominionMM1 08.19.11	I really don't think what they did was wrong. But they did violate NCAA rules and that's why they're being punished.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Yeah, they didn't do something wrong. Despite whether it's wrong or right, though, they still broke the rules and tried to hide it. They should count their blessings that the NCAA isn't invoking it's "willful violators" clause, because OSU's violations headed all the way back to before the 2002 Title year.
rjmunthe 08.19.11	Exactly my point! So stop going on this personal crusade about how OSU is full of horrible people for selling their jerseys. They didn't do something wrong, but they broke the NCAA's idiotic rule. So, while, yeah, there is consequences, thus they get the shaft due to the NCAA's stupid rules.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Where did I say they were horrible people?
DominionMM1 08.19.11	Roger Goodell's decision on Pryor has now set a new precedent. The NFL is gonna start to involve itself in these scandals.
rjmunthe 08.19.11	The U is full of a bunch of thugs and gangsters. Didn't you see fellow alumni Andre Johnson whooping Finnegan's ass last year? It's the NFL not a street fight. U doesn't understand this. Being thugs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>selling jerseys
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	What? lol Listen, I gotta eat my lunch. You probably should, too, with all the meds your taking. Don't want them to upset your stomach and interrupt your little crusade here. If you decide to keep going, go ahead. I'm not stopping you. You're providing me with infitinite amounts of entertainment.
DominionMM1 08.19.11	The U is full of a bunch of thugs and gangsters. Didn't you see fellow alumni Andre Johnson whooping Finnegan's ass last year? It's the NFL not a street fight. U doesn't understand this. Being thugs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>selling jerseys Kind of an unfair generalization, isn't it?
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Plus, Finnegan was the one who started it as well. Johnson was the only one to come out and apologize for his behavior. So off base, it's not even funny.
DominionMM1 08.19.11	Miami guys might be kind of dickish on the field, but I can't think of many that have had off-the-field issues.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Lol, I can unfortunately. Irvin, Bratton, the Blades' boys, Ray Lewis, Jamie Germaine(was a stud WR who couldn't understand the word "no"), Brett Perriman..... I have a bunch more, but I choose to keep quiet.
DominionMM1 08.19.11	yeah, I remember Ray Lewis and Irvin. Guess I was thinking of guys like Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Jonathan Vilma, and Jeremy Shockey.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	Well, Vilma's one of the guys implicated in this fiasco, so he's not so clean in my eyes anymore.
DominionMM1 08.19.11	Vilma's a Saint, and that's all I'm concerned with. Frankly, ever since the whole "Free Shoes University" thing, I've been kind of numb to all these scandals.
Inveigh 08.19.11	"Perhaps if they get credit towards goods (better food, name brand supplies) or upgraded living quarters?" most schools already give athletes that. I went to Northern Illinois (not a giant school by any means, but definitely a "football school" as far as the MAC goes) and my best friend's brother was a football player. He got $2000 per semester in "Huskie Bucks" on top of his apartment stipend and tuition scholarship that were redeemable at everything from the school bookstore to grocery stores to McDonalds. and there were ridiculous violations not too far off from what was happening at Miami all the time -- recruits being taken to strip clubs and bars while underage, set up with "girls" (i.e. hookers), all kinds of stuff. Doug Free (lineman for the Cowboys now) was a giant coke head in college, and a fucking douchebag. He ratted out my friend's brother for smoking pot and got him put on probation -- no suspension or anything, but still. The NCAA are a bunch of sanctimonious assholes.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	^^^^^
DominionMM1 08.19.11	The NCAA are a bunch of sanctimonious assholes. [2] I think it would be hard for a 19 year old kid to go from 80,000 people screaming and cheering your name over the weekend to being just another student during the week. If a bunch of middle-aged men in countless sports media outlets are raving about you, it's probably gonna go to your head, especially if you're fresh out of the ghetto or off the turnip truck. The NCAA wants as much coverage as possible, because it's more-or-less a business. That's fine. But they need to accept the fact that with all the attention given to the college game, scandals of this nature are inevitable.
lucasjcockcroft 08.19.11	NFL>NCAA
DominionMM1 08.19.11	NFL>NCAA Well duh. Can't fucking wait for Sept 8!
Inveigh 08.19.11	hell yeah, I'll take the NFL and NBA over their collegiate counterparts any day of the week. college football is way better than college basketball though, at least until March.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	NCAA>>>>>>>>>>>>NFL There is nothing like big time college football.
DominionMM1 08.19.11	"NCAA>>>>>>>>>>>>NFL" You must be a Dolphins fan.
PistolPete 08.19.11	Did anybody see what happened in Beijing today during an exhibition game between some chinese university and georgetown university? Full out bench-clearer brawl, funniest shit ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk4922fJgQc
toxin. 08.19.11	Dude that was like a day (or two?) ago. But yeah, that's hilarious. Now the Chinese won't let any NBA players under contract play in China. They have to commit for a full year to the Chinese team.
PistolPete 08.19.11	oops my bad, was on the front page of news i read lol i thought it was maybe cuz one team was losing really bad, but apparently they were tied 64-all when all hell broke loose
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	"You must be a Dolphins fan." Lol, I am, but c'mon.... I've always been like this...
Josh D. 08.19.11	I was waiting for a list from you about all this.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	It happened yesterday
Josh D. 08.19.11	Ok.
FrankRedHot 08.19.11	At least A.J. hasn't been implicated in this garbage.
Josh D. 08.19.11	I have been under the impression he has been. In the paper here, it had all the Texans that went to Miami (four, I think) with statements about it. I heard AJ was upset about what Shapiro said about him.
illmitch 08.19.11	i mostly just hope mizzou's basketball team gets fucked over