neekafat
10.16.17 | Who knew it would come to this? |
Papa Universe
10.16.17 | you could have just left the tie in and go with another round...
also,
POST-PUNK! |
neekafat
10.16.17 | No
Because we know it would've come to Post Punk verses folk anyway and I'm sick of this comp now lol |
AlexKzillion
10.16.17 | not classical |
Conmaniac
10.16.17 | ugh |
neekafat
10.16.17 | I know you guys suck |
butcherboy
10.16.17 | Efter Punk.. |
Tundra
10.16.17 | Post punk... i guess? |
neekafat
10.16.17 | See look, now nobody's happy |
Tundra
10.16.17 | Metalcore won in my heart tho lol |
neekafat
10.16.17 | Even if the coin went tails it wouldn't have won, sorry friend
Alt rock won in my heart |
CompostCompote
10.16.17 | A post a punk a, dear comrade |
theBoneyKing
10.16.17 | Folk |
onionbubs
10.16.17 | you real fucked up on the coin flip wow
post punk |
neekafat
10.16.17 | Shit if I flipped metalcore perhaps I could've split the post-punk vote |
hal1ax
10.16.17 | classical |
adr
10.16.17 | goreonkyokeicore |
hal1ax
10.16.17 | cyber grind |
hal1ax
10.16.17 | conscious hip hop |
DikkoZinner
10.16.17 | Classical |
Drifter
10.16.17 | Folk |
neekafat
10.16.17 | Yeah a couple of genres lost pretty savagely |
neekafat
10.16.17 | You know what? Fuck it, I vote folk too.
It's tied now btw Unique |
Papa Universe
10.16.17 | but you can't vote tho... otherwise, why didn't you do it always? |
neekafat
10.16.17 | Because I didn't want to? The stakes are higher unique, I could've potentially saved alt if I really wanted to but I didn't jeez
If it helps save your pretensions of what is and isn't the rules of my own competition I can retract my vote... |
neekafat
10.16.17 | Also, sixdegrees I broke ties with my own votes before, I didn't this time because I didn't want to affect the final choices for everyone |
neekafat
10.16.17 | This is true
tl;dr |
hal1ax
10.16.17 | lmao. where did u find that gem? youtube comment section? |
neekafat
10.16.17 | I'm surprised it took this competition this long to devolve into Hospin banter |
LethalPaintball
10.16.17 | fuck you no metal genres im not voting |
neekafat
10.16.17 | Yes... Let the hate flow through you... |
budgie
10.16.17 | FUCK YEAH NEEKAFAT I LOVE YOU FUCK METALCORE
anyway out of the three i'll vote classical |
PistolPete
10.16.17 | How did the Top 3 end up being this sad... |
neekafat
10.16.17 | "How did the Top 3 end up being this sad..."
[2]
Hey, I had nothing to do with this |
Frivolous
10.16.17 | post-punk |
Papa Universe
10.16.17 | ^ mah man! |
neekafat
10.16.17 | yup |
Papa Universe
10.16.17 | Hey! It's a white depressed guy playing funk guitar. |
AlexKzillion
10.16.17 | I seriously seriously seriously doubt that this site as a whole actually likes classical so much that it made it this far in this tourney, like seriously
Like fr there's only like three (active) users on here who actually discuss classical.... feel like some of yall aren't being honest tbh |
Ryus
10.16.17 | "I seriously seriously seriously doubt that this site as a whole actually likes classical so much that it made it this far in this tourney, like seriously"
lol yep |
DrMaximus
10.16.17 | yeah really |
AlexKzillion
10.16.17 | >Like 75%+ of users have alt rock in their pie charts
Alt Rock gets eliminated in the second round
>Like two users on the entire site have classical in their pie charts
Classical makes it to the sixth and final round |
AlexKzillion
10.16.17 | ๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค |
neekafat
10.16.17 | "and here I was ready to call prog rock vs alt rock for the final round"
It's probably because I was a dumbass and made that like a Round 2 face off lol |
zaruyache
10.16.17 | can i still vote for classical hey |
neekafat
10.16.17 | I mean yeah it ain't gonna close for a while |
RunOfTheMill
10.16.17 | post-punk |
L4titudes
10.16.17 | post punk |
neekafat
10.16.17 | Neither of you are cool anymore |
FullOfSounds
10.16.17 | Post punk |
Ryus
10.16.17 | post punk |
neekafat
10.16.17 | Anyone who votes post-punk is going to be on my hit-list |
zaruyache
10.16.17 | only good post-punk is Dif Juz agreed. |
neekafat
10.16.17 | only good post punk is The Killers agreed. |
TheSpaceMan
10.16.17 | lol alex |
TheSpaceMan
10.16.17 | I just got done mailing someone a thin column meant to hold a sign. You could say I'm...
...post post post |
bgillesp
10.16.17 | Jazz |
bgillesp
10.16.17 | But classical |
bgillesp
10.16.17 | I don't listen to a wide variety of classical (I.e. Not on my pie chart) but I still listen to it often enough to know I like it more than these |
bgillesp
10.16.17 | Also I don't rate much classical because objectivity and because it isn't hard to remember what I like when there are less than 50 things I've heard. I'll get around to rating them one day maybe |
zaruyache
10.17.17 | modern classical its pretty great nowadays. |
Minushuman24
10.17.17 | Post Punk |
Ryus
10.17.17 | if u aint votin post punk wyd |
BootCamp
10.17.17 | post punk |
budgie
10.17.17 | no one discusses classical here because there's too much to discuss. each unique conductor's performance of each act of a 12 hour opera, fuck that, just because we don't discuss classical doesn't mean we don't enjoy it
i'd like to discuss mephisto and crystal knight and morbid on this site but no one is around to discuss those bands with, doesn't mean i don't jam those bands constantly |
neekafat
10.17.17 | I should jam some classical sometime |
onionbubs
10.17.17 | folk punk |
zaruyache
10.17.17 | cheq Max Richter. |
budgie
10.17.17 | hey max richter is the inspiration for my favorite band (memoryhouse). guess i should cheq max richter |
Divaman
10.17.17 | Post Punk |
Frippertronics
10.17.17 | friendship ended with post-punk, now folk is my best friend |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | and that lads is what I look like when I don't shave |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | I'm currently experiencing my mid-punk crisis |
Keyblade
10.17.17 | post punk derivatives like coldwave, darkwave, ethereal etc are goat. vanilla post punk is w/e tho |
Keyblade
10.17.17 | def not folk for sure. u can only listen to someone crying over an acoustic guitar for so long
gonna side with everyone who's only heard joy division and new order tbh |
Frippertronics
10.17.17 | you're braindead if you choose post-punk over folk tbh |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | You're a proud overlapping chromosome bearer if you choose folk over post-punk. |
Frippertronics
10.17.17 | unique, you've finally gone senile, it seems |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | About fucking time, I say. |
Frippertronics
10.17.17 | praise be phil (ochs) |
Aberf
10.17.17 | folk |
TwigTW
10.17.17 | post-punk |
Fargo
10.17.17 | folk |
neekafat
10.17.17 | "you're braindead if you choose post-punk over folk tbh"
[983742953] |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Don't forget to like and subscribe for more poorly curated competitions |
butcherboy
10.17.17 | you're brain dead if you choose backwoods billy playing his incest guitar for songs about some good ol' days over post-punk.. |
Muppelope
10.17.17 | Should've advanced both metalcore and classical and added a round. Would've worked out perfectly tbh. Post punk is my vote |
PewDiePie
10.17.17 | Folk |
Tundra
10.17.17 | I didnt know PewDiePie wasnt a normie |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Didn't want to have another round for just four genres and I liked the idea of people choosing between three rather than four
Otherwise yeah, probably would've been a good idea but here we are |
Tundra
10.17.17 | When you vote for post-punk and you dont even really know what it is lmao |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Vote folk then, listen to some Damien Rice
Also fuck nocuffin for making this thread look ugly af |
Tundra
10.17.17 | Fuck it folk then if you havent counted up votes yet |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Hahaha yesss |
JokineAugustus
10.17.17 | Didnt know sputnik liked metalcore still |
Tundra
10.17.17 | Metalcore = Sputoverlord |
budgie
10.17.17 | i just realized half the shit i listen on a regular basis is folk |
neekafat
10.17.17 | You should vote folk then |
budgie
10.17.17 | folk will get more than classical anyway. i don't want classical to suffer overwhelming defeat |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Yeah but folk still has the potential to topple post-punk if we band together.... |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Considering nixing butcher's vote for trying to influence the voting process with an alt >:( |
budgie
10.17.17 | i think post punk is really good too though
im just happy metalcore and trance didnt win |
budgie
10.17.17 | wow he cant do that, you should invalidate both his votes in punishment |
neekafat
10.17.17 | [2]
I like post punk a lot too, but folk is just... it's just folk man |
neekafat
10.17.17 | @budgie/sixdegrees yeah that's what I'm thinking. I'm gonna wait for his defense before I reach a final verdict. |
budgie
10.17.17 | switch my vote to folk, i want metalcore to suffer beyond defeat |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | I can tell you his defense. Everybody knows that butcherboy and CompostCompote are the same person. Seeing CC vote for post-punk exactly after butcherboy was obviously a joke. |
neekafat
10.17.17 | It's still bs Unique |
neekafat
10.17.17 | And yasssss budgie, we almost got this |
butcherboy
10.17.17 | neeka, don't be a little shit.. I know you know I'm Compost.. hardly a big conspiracy.. You're just creased alt rock has been killed and buried.. |
CompostCompote
10.17.17 | I'm a real boy! |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | Did you pray to all, all, all, all, all to make you a real boy? |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Hey hey hey, enough with the language bitcher. Need I remind you who's in charge here? |
budgie
10.17.17 | lynch butcher the bastard he 3.5'd my song in his tournament
|
neekafat
10.17.17 | lol true sixdegrees |
CompostCompote
10.17.17 | Judge, more like Grudge. |
CompostCompote
10.17.17 | Judge, more like Grudge. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | Twice as effective an insult. |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Unique is just using this competition as an way to repair his worth after he lost he lost punk competition |
CompostCompote
10.17.17 | Definitely more grudgy than judgy. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | bitch, I'll use your mum's leaking vagina if it helps me get closer to that fucking title. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | There's a reason they call having sex with your mum Picnic at Hanging Rock. Cause you'll be there for a long time, it's hanging, coarse and it's very likely you will disappear to never be found again. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | Okay, that was unnecessarily salty, I apologise. But I did say that I'll be particularly bitter for a long time after that loss. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | good, good |
CompostCompote
10.17.17 | You know what else is unnecessarily salty? The humble pie he'll be eating. |
neekafat
10.17.17 | I don't get that reference |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | that's okay, kid |
budgie
10.17.17 | arent you like 15 |
JamieTwort
10.17.17 | Folk obviously. |
dctarga
10.17.17 | Post-Punk
Folk |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Lol nearly 20 but same thing |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Dctarga, only one ): |
Frippertronics
10.17.17 | Gonna vote folk (again, don't ignore this neeka boiii) |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | Hol' up, Neek. If you hate Post-Punk so much, why did you participate in the Post-Punk-Off? |
budgie
10.17.17 | oh shit folk may win! |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | it may, but it shouldn't |
budgie
10.17.17 | all three genres here are worthy of winning |
budgie
10.17.17 | post punk is the least worthy though |
neekafat
10.17.17 | It's 1 vote away
Someone call blush lol
@Unique, 1. I don't hate post-punk, I just like folk better. 2. I also like seeing you lose even though I love you. 3. I joined that competition not even knowing what post-punk was. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | 1. okay, I can take that. 2. okay, I can't take that. 3. okay, next time it'll be experts only. |
MarsKid
10.17.17 | Folk ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ) |
neekafat
10.17.17 | @Unique 1. (: 2. ): 3. Hey, you guys knew that going in. I was supposed to be the "fresh eyes" and if I wasn't in the comp you would've lost even worse. |
neekafat
10.17.17 | BOIIIIIIII
Quick one more vote so I can close it |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Lol I kid, I kid |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | I know, I know. But looking back at it, none of you actually knew a lot about it... if I am to follow that pattern, the next comp's judges should be seasoned veterans. |
budgie
10.17.17 | oh shit it's tied |
MarsKid
10.17.17 | I'll do a rec comp so I can lose hilariously in the first round |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | go write teamster about it, he wanted to do a Post-Rock/Post-Metal tourney like that.. |
dctarga
10.17.17 | Oh my bad neeka,
Post-Punk
And oh hell yeah I'm down to lose in rec contest, let me know bruh! |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | I had this idea for a competition, but I don't have the time for it right now, so someone else can take it. It's going to celebrate all things mediocre. So people will submit songs and the eliminated ones will always be the one with the highest and the lowest rating. There will be either no winner per round or the one with the most average rating. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | good choice, Dc |
MarsKid
10.17.17 | That sounds painfully mundane, I approve |
dctarga
10.17.17 | @Unique
So it would be a comp for the most 2.8 song/album ever basically? I can dig
And thanks, pretty easier choice imo lol |
MarsKid
10.17.17 | tbh people probably voted classical to knock metalcore out |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | DC: exactly. I just have a lot of recs I personally dig, but am pretty sure others will find okay at best, but I still want to make them listen to it, but not to a point of risking a potential win in any other serious competition.
also, post-punk for the win, baby |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | Mars: that's what I did anyway |
superluminals
10.17.17 | Post punk in the lead, why sputnik
Why
Edit: oh they're tied but still |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Dctarga why
You were the chosen one |
budgie
10.17.17 | could be worse
could be much worse |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | It could be worse, Folk can take the lead. |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Super I take it you vote... folk??? |
budgie
10.17.17 | suicidal depressive black metal should've won |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | avant nocturnal post death jazz should've won |
neekafat
10.17.17 | I'd listen to that |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyE9d8gyO4c |
neekafat
10.17.17 | wut |
budgie
10.17.17 | isn't this already preferential voting |
superluminals
10.17.17 | I'm so conflicted, I want to vote classical but it is a lost cause so I'll go with folk to spite post ponk
:D! |
theBoneyKing
10.17.17 | shit this is gonna be close |
budgie
10.17.17 | folk is going to win |
JamieTwort
10.17.17 | I have an idea (or should I say /some/ ideas) for a rec competition series. Might start it this week. |
JamieTwort
10.17.17 | You're all invited. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | yaay |
JamieTwort
10.17.17 | Might have to set a rec limit for you, Unique. |
Papa Universe
10.17.17 | yaay...? |
Divaman
10.17.17 | You left out polka. |
neekafat
10.17.17 | Super you are a God |
BlushfulHippocrene
10.18.17 | f o l k |
neekafat
10.18.17 | CLOSED |
neekafat
10.18.17 | Nah jk you can still vote for folk or classical if you like |
Divaman
10.18.17 | No thumbs on the scales, there, neeka. Post-punk! Post-punk! Post-punk! (Don't really care that much. I like folk too). |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | And we're tied again! |
neekafat
10.18.17 | Count again, unique... Diva already voted. |
neekafat
10.18.17 | Well, since it's been about 12 hours since the last vote... I suppose I should call it |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | oh...
...oh |
Tundra
10.18.17 | Its tied lmfao |
neekafat
10.18.17 | How is it tied? Folk has won! |
budgie
10.18.17 | my vote wins again |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | disgraceful |
bgillesp
10.18.17 | Move me to folk just to make UU mad |
neekafat
10.18.17 | lolol why not bgill? |
neekafat
10.18.17 | In Unique's own words: "if post-punk doesn't win, I'm going to paint myself blue and jump off a one-storey skyscraper."
Do it |
budgie
10.18.17 | yay |
neekafat
10.18.17 | This is a great day for sputnik |
AllPurposePotato
10.18.17 | hol' up |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | goddamn *gargles blue paint* simpletons *more unintelligible gargling* |
neekafat
10.18.17 | Pics or it didn't happen |
Minushuman24
10.18.17 | Nah |
ZombieToyDuck
10.18.17 | cough cough metalcore cough cough |
neekafat
10.18.17 | YE |
Conmaniac
10.18.17 | thank god post punk didnt win |
neekafat
10.18.17 | [2]
I wish alt would've tho ): |
ZombieToyDuck
10.18.17 | post hardcore should have made it here would have been my pick |
neekafat
10.18.17 | That your fav genre? |
butcherboy
10.18.17 | horseshit.. |
ZombieToyDuck
10.18.17 | pretty much yeah neek |
neekafat
10.18.17 | I am nothing but the 100% unbiased judge here... |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | 'I am nothing' is right, the other part is bollocks |
ZombieToyDuck
10.18.17 | [2] cause of the whole knocking out metalcore with a "coin toss" *rolls eyes* |
neekafat
10.18.17 | Yknow what... If I had voted (which I didn't because I was trying ot be impartial) it would've been classical. So, either way metalcore was fucked |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | you were impartial until it suited you |
ZombieToyDuck
10.18.17 | tsk tsk tsk |
butcherboy
10.18.17 | it finally happened.. this site has tumbled into open corruption, nepotism and complete senselessness.. we will not come out of this the same people.. |
Conmaniac
10.18.17 | hahah what |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | Only one thing can save this site, butcherbabe.
ANOTHER POST-PUNK TOURNEY! |
Drifter
10.18.17 | I'm satisfied with these results |
neekafat
10.18.17 | Folk would've won regardless
And alt rock should've won agreed |
butcherboy
10.18.17 | we are all lost causes now.. |
neekafat
10.18.17 | ...am I invited Unique? |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | Do some Post-Punk studying before the tourney starts, then I'll consider it. |
Drifter
10.18.17 | Is that emo crown thing still happening? |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | yes |
butcherboy
10.18.17 | nothing seems reasonable anymore.. down is up, up is left, left is a bee-line.. i'd pray for our souls, but i don't know what god is anymore. |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | yeah, I don't get it either |
butcherboy
10.18.17 | i used to think i was crazy.. until the world became like this.. |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | these folks are punks |
butcherboy
10.18.17 | i wish they were something else.. something beyond punk.. something after punk.. something post-punk if you will.. |
SandwichBubble
10.18.17 | Didn't vote cause I was gonna be happy no matter the outcome
Folk = Post-Punk = Classical |
dctarga
10.18.17 | lol wtf, well it was a fun journey |
JamieTwort
10.18.17 | "Folk = Post-Punk = Classical"
Do you even have a taste in music? |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | Post-Punk > Black Metal > everything else |
JamieTwort
10.18.17 | lol |
Frippertronics
10.18.17 | There IS a god |
DikkoZinner
10.18.17 | Death Metal |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | And he's a dick |
SandwichBubble
10.18.17 | classical post-folk-punk |
Papa Universe
10.18.17 | You got a sample of that, Sandwich? |
SandwichBubble
10.18.17 | I wish ;-; |
Divaman
10.18.17 | So basically Sputnik is the Internet equivalent of 1960s Greewich Village. Who knew? |
budgie
10.19.17 | greenwich? |
neekafat
10.19.17 | Glad y'all had as much fun as I did destroying uniques sense of worth |
Dewinged
10.19.17 | "classical post-folk-punk" Ok, where's this band?
And don't tell me Dropkick Murphys. |
Divaman
10.19.17 | >greenwich?
Yeah, that. |
bgillesp
10.19.17 | Jazz won in my heart |
neekafat
10.19.17 | This might be my first list to hit 300 comments
I guess that makes up for none of them being featured lol
*sobs* |
NordicMindset
10.21.17 | I don't even count classical music as comparable to modern music. it's on its own different plane. |
neekafat
10.21.17 | That's fair I suppose |
neekafat
03.24.18 | Bump to remember |
JustJoe.
03.24.18 | SHOEGAZE. |
neekafat
03.24.18 | NAHBRAH |
JustJoe.
03.24.18 | It's a really strange thing. I know the term shoegaze, in a somewhat derogatory way, referred to the onstage demeanor of some of these bands & whatnot. But, my favorite thing sometimes is to listen to some 'gaze & imagine what kinda kicks these musicians were wearing at the time of the recording & ponder whether or not a bad 'gaze album could've been remedied by a fresh pair. |
neekafat
03.24.18 | Hmmmmmm that sure is an interesting thought |
JustJoe.
03.24.18 | I try sometimes. Maybe I'll do a list about it, someday. |
neekafat
03.24.18 | Do it my friend |
JustJoe.
03.24.18 | Someday, I shall. |
TheSpaceMan
03.24.18 | lol that's amazing |
JustJoe.
03.24.18 | Ain't it though?!
๐ |
neekafat
03.24.18 | Made all the more amazing by you referring to them as "kicks" |
JustJoe.
03.24.18 | That's just how I was raised. |
Tundra
03.24.18 | Need another one of this except every sub-genre of Prog Metal is put in separately kappa |
neekafat
08.24.18 | Just a reminder that folk wins over post-punk anyday |
Demon of the Fall
08.24.18 | Are there other match-ups? I would have taken post-punk but looks like it already lost. |
Papa Universe
08.24.18 | neeka, you are the reason puppies die. |
ZombieToyDuck
08.24.18 | yeahhhh I should of voted... whoops |
SandwichBubble
08.24.18 | Folk = Post-Punk = Classical [2] |
neekafat
08.24.18 | @Demon this was the end of a month-long competition I ran around this time last year and these were the finalists |
Demon of the Fall
08.24.18 | Damn, so folk won? FOLK?! |
JustJoe.
08.24.18 | Remember when I said that cool shit?!
#joe-gaze |
J() Alexander
08.24.18 | This is the worst thing I've seen in like three days... Wait, no, two days. |
neekafat
08.24.18 | Demon believe me it wasn't what I thought it'd come to but I'm not complaining, feel free to look back through my lists to see what the results were!
...I also may have slightly imposed my will on the results but regardless it was close |
sixdegrees
08.24.18 | landmark thread |
neekafat
08.24.18 | forreal, one of my proudest moments |
MarsKid
08.24.18 | I voted Folk just so post punk would lose tbh |
JustJoe.
08.24.18 | I didn't vote that's why things didn't go my way. |
Papa Universe
08.24.18 | and I thought we had something going, Mars. well, goodbye then. |
JustJoe.
08.24.18 | I would've voted Post-Punk out of these options. |
Papa Universe
08.24.18 | I'm moving to Joe's... |
Egarran
08.24.18 | I would have tried in vain not to get involved. |
J() Alexander
08.24.18 | Classical best genre, h*ck you all. |
JustJoe.
08.24.18 | You're going to hate it here & then start hating me.
I can't allow that. |
MarsKid
08.24.18 | You sourpusses did the same to metalcore, seemed only fair to do some riggin' |
Papa Universe
08.24.18 | please Joe, you're the only pretend-friend I have (with a place to live) |
JustJoe.
08.24.18 | Not now, not like this.
We will meet again & I'll be ready then. |
Papa Universe
08.24.18 | alright fine. you leave me choice other than to go live with my wife. is that what you want? |
JustJoe.
08.24.18 | ๐ |
Papa Universe
08.24.18 | that's cruel, but just.
justjoe. |
JustJoe.
08.24.18 | ๐ |
DrMaximus
08.25.18 | Classical |
neekafat
08.25.18 | "You sourpusses did the same to metalcore"
technically I flipped a coin to disqualify that one but yknow |
Drifter
08.25.18 | Still happy with these results |
neekafat
08.25.18 | [2] |