hesperus: Support trans rights, shop on Bandcamp

Kalopsia 08.04.17	very cool, props to them for this.
Conmaniac 08.04.17	great list and yes do it!! I love bandcamp man
Papa Universe 08.04.17	I wanna say something supportive, but I care too little about other people...especially, when they don't fit into the simplistic boudaries of 'I don't need this explained'
Satellite 08.04.17	shit yeah
hesperus 08.04.17	@unique you could just say nothing
TheSpaceMan 08.04.17	List is music by trans artists
Papa Universe 08.04.17	@hesperus: Yeah...I could...I could...
Papa Universe 08.04.17	@TheSpaceMan: Doesn't seem to be so.
TheSpaceMan 08.04.17	True deafheaven are just queer
Papa Universe 08.04.17	oh snap!
hesperus 08.04.17	in case i didn't make this clear in the description, the list is artists and labels that are donating some or all of their shares of Bandcamp sales to the TLC or other trans rights orgs
hesperus 08.04.17	some of the money will go to the TLC no matter what you buy, but for most music it'll just be the amount that the site would normally pocket
butcherboy 08.04.17	not to horn in on Hesperus's list, but to anyone in the Toronto area, a drag punk band I play in occasionally called Rats and Dolls will be playing a gig at the Garrison at the end of the month.. all proceeds go to the Will Munro Fund for Queer and Trans People Living with Cancer
hesperus 08.04.17	hey if it's to help queer and trans people i'm happy with you horning in
dbizzles 08.04.17	I know you just cleared it up lol, but are there other artists on bc that are doing this or just those on your list?
Papa Universe 08.04.17	Could everyone please stop using the word 'horning'?
dbizzles 08.04.17	Oh, for fuck's sake. I should have read the list description. I'm going to check the full list. Looking to clean up on Thou's catalogue.
GhandhiLion 08.04.17	Let me guess. Donald Trump upset them.
superluminals 08.04.17	Wow no comments saying transgender people are a disease and should be round up and killed ? Oh wait I'm not on youtube.
Satellite 08.04.17	zakalwe is busy shopping for armbands
Papa Universe 08.04.17	I'll comment something like that, but only once I know I have zak on my side.
butcherboy 08.04.17	do you know who should be rounded up and killed? racists lousy Polish racists..
Papa Universe 08.04.17	wy kurwy czarny
bgillesp 08.04.17	That's cool butcher! Too bad I'm nowhere near there
bgillesp 08.04.17	Id like to support this, but it seems the article was posted a few days ago. How do we know which artists are still donating?
Satellite 08.04.17	looks like most labels have it going from today through either sunday or monday
Emim 08.04.17	I'll stick with spotify
bgillesp 08.04.17	Might pick up that Beach House on vinyl Unique
Papa Universe 08.04.17	I have it already...and you really DO want to pick it up, the cover is literally velvet. (if it's Depression Cherry we're talking about)
hesperus 08.04.17	guess i should link the post about the Bandcamp fund in general. again, some money will go to the TLC even if you don't buy from one of the listed artists/labels. it's just that more of your money will go to them if you do https://daily.bandcamp.com/2017/07/31/this-friday-stand-with-bandcamp-in-support-of-trans-rights/
bgillesp 08.04.17	No, the one you rec'd me. I'm getting a Fleet Foxes s/t for my girlfriend instead.
Papa Universe 08.04.17	Also good.
cylinder 08.04.17	go bandcamp and all these artists, faith in humanity slightly restored
Neatoo 08.04.17	is it US only? cuz i bought a friend's band cassette tape today (didn't know about this) but it's in Spain and there was nothing on bandcamp.com advertising this stuff...
bgillesp 08.04.17	It probably is just US since the transgender law center is about US laws I think at least primarily
Maco097 08.04.17	Lol no
ZippaThaRippa 08.04.17	Damn I have like 20 bucks worth of shit in my checkout but I am completely tapped. Today woulda been a good day. shit.
AnimalsAsSummit 08.04.17	buy this: inheritedsufferingrecords.bandcamp.com/album/coprocephalic-gluttonous-chunks
Dewinged 08.04.17	2,19 and 21 are coming home.
Drifter 08.05.17	You should add audio antihero to this list with the glorious album that is Nosferatu D2 - We're Gonna Walk Around This City With Our Headphones To Block Out The Noise. It's literally the goat emo album https://nosferatud2.bandcamp.com/album/were-gonna-walk-around-this-city-with-our-headphones-on-to-block-out-the-noise
ianblxdsoe 08.05.17	this is so fucking awesome i love topshelf and 6131 shoutout to all these labels for doing this. never bought a record from bandcamp but def gonna snag a couple now and i agree with Drifter that album is fucking sick
Drifter 08.05.17	(::::: There's a reason I rep it everywhere. Even when its not very relevant
ScuroFantasma 08.05.17	Cool, I'll buy something
laughingman22 08.05.17	Good job bandcamp
owen 08.05.17	missed it sadly
zakalwe 08.05.17	Embrace mental illness
Papa Universe 08.05.17	Ah, finally, here he is.
zakalwe 08.05.17	Ello boys n girls.... and boys wanting to be girls. How many women to men transitions are there who aren't lesbian? That'll be a new one cos is not that popular at the min. It'll be all the rage in a few years. "I've always felt like a man, the husband Dave just puts up with it, egg and chips for dinner tonight Dave" "Lovely thanks Sharon, tut sorry I mean Bob"
Papa Universe 08.05.17	The thing is that transgender people are in like 95% of the cases just regular gay people, whose hormones just bursted more than usual and made them feel like they are a different gender. Nothing wrong with it, gay is gay, but y'know, it's not something particularly different.
Winesburgohio 08.05.17	i hbate all of you
zakalwe 08.05.17	Hormones or deep seated psychological problems helping them 'cope' with their gayness? A fella is moving in next door whose changed his name to Laura or something. I'll give it a few months to break the ice but it'll be good to talk about it and see what the process was.....maybe he's just a cross dresser and likes wanking off in tights? I dunno.
polyrhythm 08.05.17	jesus fucking christ zak
Papa Universe 08.05.17	So you think he's absolutely 100% unquestionably wrong?
verdant 08.05.17	can we get a source on that assertion pls unique
zakalwe 08.05.17	It's not for me to say really is it but I definitely think it's a psychological 'thing' that should be addressed before kids are having their cocks lobbed off.
owen 08.05.17	"having their cocks lobbed off" is a way to adress the "psychological 'thing'"
Papa Universe 08.05.17	LandDiving, 1) The 'Gender Dysphoria' paper published by American Psychiatric Association. While it rarely explicitly states that dysphoria and homosexuality are directly linked, because that's not the focus, you can pretty much surmise that from the multiple points made althroughout the paper. 2) To a certain extent, it is also covered in Gender Identity Disorder and Psychosexual Problems in Children and Adolescents by Kenneth J. Zucker and Susan J. Bradley
Dedes 08.05.17	One of my close friends is trans and I'm fairly sure the person is bisexual, not gay. Also you do realize that they don't just chop the penis off, right? That it's a much more complex process than that.
Dedes 08.05.17	Zak man you really have to stop speaking from your ass.
zakalwe 08.05.17	It's all nip and tuck but it's still a hell of a thing to 'know' you want it when you're 16.
zakalwe 08.05.17	Zak man you really have to stop speaking from your ass. I'd rather speak out of it than have my head up it. Not saying you specifically but all the 'intelligentsia' and the hapless horde who go along blindly accepting without questioning.
Dedes 08.05.17	There are people who know it for years before Terry are 16. Do you know what it feels like to Hate your own body and feel like you don't belong in it? Also, how do you feel about how transgenders are treated? Honest questions.
Dedes 08.05.17	I don't promote trans rights to go along with a horde either, I'm just a big believer of freewill.
Jots 08.05.17	transitioning sterilizes people so I wouldn't recommend anyone does it too early (at least should be able to store eggs or sperm prior).
Rowan5215 08.05.17	hey zak can you... not thanks
Papa Universe 08.05.17	please do, zak, it's entertaining...
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	I think Zak just worries that many do not make a rational choice in becoming trans. Hence the high suicide rate. At least that's what I feel about these things. These feelings can be triggered in teenagers but only temporary. Someone allowed to transition before the age of 18 seems sickening to me.
zakalwe 08.05.17	We are all unhappy with our bodies aren't we? If females weren't done up to the nines, lauded over by men, the media and laid out on a carpet of razzmatazz would it change things? Possibly. I dunno. In terms of how they're treated I certainly don't see any direct prejudice or under representation going on. I've seen a few knocking about in my life but they're rarer than rocking horse shit tbh.
Jots 08.05.17	the high suicide rate can result from many things, not just the innate psychological effects of gender dysphoria. once people successfully transition, the suicide rate drops to normal percentages
Papa Universe 08.05.17	But the fact of it is that a large amount of transgender people, even when surrounded by supportive environment, have suicidal tendencies.
Jots 08.05.17	they have a unique perspective on life and possibly dark histories that precede the environment. as mentioned, successfully transitioning sorts many people out
Papa Universe 08.05.17	You could say that they live in their own ... unique universe...
Dedes 08.05.17	Zak, there is a LOT of prejudice against trans people. There are many Americans (I don't know the situation in Britain) who want trans people to be rounded up and shot.
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	"There are many Americans (I don't know the situation in Britain) who want trans people to be rounded up and shot." [Citation needed]
Papa Universe 08.05.17	kingdedethefifth: Would you care to elaborate?
zakalwe 08.05.17	Yeah I suppose there lies the difference. Britain doesn't really care except when it becomes PC, we are not allowed to tell jokes and there's an encroachment in our lives when it's forced down our throats. Then and only then will people speak out but some new term will be invented usually ending in 'ist' or 'ism' which criminalises people from speaking their voice swelled by minority groups being sanctimonious as fuck and virtue signalling their tits off insisting that everyone is else is reactionary arseholes who aren't progressing into modern times.
Dedes 08.05.17	I may have slightly exaggerated but just a lot of the general populace seem disgusted with trans people. One of my friends has parents who don't want anything to do with her simply because she's trans.
zakalwe 08.05.17	Trans with a gun. Cool as fuck.
Dedes 08.05.17	Lol what?
Papa Universe 08.05.17	A Shemaim
ianblxdsoe 08.05.17	what happened here lol zak
Papa Universe 08.05.17	The Transsassin
Papa Universe 08.05.17	The Dysphroyer
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	Stop
Papa Universe 08.05.17	Annihilady
Papa Universe 08.05.17	Crossfitter
zakalwe 08.05.17	Living in a country that hated within a world that didn't care, vengeance was to be dealt out with a manicured hand of death. Shemaim In cinemas August 23rd. COOL!!!!!!!
Papa Universe 08.05.17	"Oh no, it's a Shemaim." "I made a 'dick' move!"
zakalwe 08.05.17	Access to a weapon to level countries. The Postoppenheimer.
Papa Universe 08.05.17	"What weapons do you have for me today, lgbt-Q?" "I have this brand new invisible Aston Martina. It has a machine gun underneath its low skirt."
Winesburgohio 08.05.17	an added reason to buy things on bandcamp during the window: spite zak
Papa Universe 08.05.17	Oh hi, Wines, what's been going on in your neck of the closet?
hesperus 08.05.17	y'all are talking about trans people as though they're some theoretical concept that exists outside of this site, as though there aren't several members who are trans, and/or who have trans friends and family members and partners. it makes you look like insensitive morons. cut it the fuck out
hesperus 08.05.17	also, Kenneth J Zucker is widely known to be a quack who supports dangerous conversion therapy, not just for trans people, but for gay and bisexual people as well. the scientific community at large has completely dismissed him as not credible
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	"also, Kenneth J Zucker is widely known to be a quack who supports dangerous conversion therapy, not just for trans people, but for gay and bisexual people as well." Zak just got shat on
Satellite 08.05.17	zucker is about as credible as dr. pepper
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	For real though, "the scientific community at large has completely dismissed him as not credible" Is not true. Just because he practices something you believe to pointless or bigoted, doesn't mean it invalidates his research. No one is correct on everything.
Winesburgohio 08.05.17	ahh unique, good to see the village generator is working for you again (< 3)
hesperus 08.05.17	"Just because he practices something you believe to pointless or bigoted, doesn't mean it invalidates his research." considering his "research" pretty much revolves around that practice, which the AMA and the APA agree is not only pointless and bigoted but also extremely harmful, then yeah, it kinda does invalidate his research. and if that doesn't, then the rest of his research does. i mean, shit, he wrote a paper evaluating the sexual attractiveness of transgender children.
Papa Universe 08.05.17	"the scientific community at large has completely dismissed him as not credible" Huh, didn't know that...
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	"considering his "research" pretty much revolves around that practice" Ah correct. I forgot what Zak had cited. Its just strange given many psychology websites recommend it.
zakalwe 08.05.17	I haven't cited anything?
Papa Universe 08.05.17	...yeah...guilty..sorry
Satellite 08.05.17	@zakalwe i think gandhi has you confused w/ the other dipshit reactionary itt
zakalwe 08.05.17	Dipshitist. I demand rights. Born like it mate.
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	lul, yeah it was UU
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	Im sorry for my Prejudice Zak
Satellite 08.05.17	same zak tbh. my cross to bear.
Papa Universe 08.05.17	T'was me! And now that my evil plans of setting everyone agains Zak more than usual have been exposed, I shall retrieve...
zakalwe 08.05.17	Look how easy their young minds are subverted.
Papa Universe 08.05.17	Marvellous!
cosmopazz 08.05.17	lol no fuck this
Dedes 08.05.17	Unique is a closeted transgender confirmed.
DatsNotDaMetulz 08.05.17	This thread was so pleasant until zak showed up
GhandhiLion 08.05.17	"Unique is a closeted transgender confirmed." Wouldn't surprise me. He tried so hard to beat the gay out of himself.
Papa Universe 08.05.17	I'm like George Carlin, every Friday night I go downtown to beat up the queers.
Papa Universe 08.05.17	Also, "beat the gay out of himself"? Very suggestive language, mate.
superluminals 08.05.17	It's always the old egotistical man
Papa Universe 08.05.17	You've all opened my eyes, thank you. From now on, my name is Georgina and I identify myself as a 6 year old girl.
Dedes 08.05.17	We didn't say you could change your age, you are unfortunately still stuck in your crumbling 40 y/o body.
Papa Universe 08.05.17	Not if I believe my delusion hard enough.
superluminals 08.05.17	"at least should be able to store eggs or sperm prior" Unrealistic due to the cost $$$ "Hence the high suicide rate. " That could be attributed to a lot of different things, transgender people have some of the highest unemployment rates in American. Now I wonder why that could be? Are they all lazy? Hm maybe it's because in more than half the state's it is legal to fire someone because they are gay or transgender. You know who else has higher suicide rates? Unemployed people in general. That isn't even the tip of the iceberg.
Jots 08.05.17	"Unrealistic due to the cost $$$" .... transitioning costs more than storing sperm. and, in the case of being able to have children after transitioning, it's probably a worthwhile investment. if you're willing to invest thousands and thousands of dollars into a process that will leave you sterile, it's probably worth it to set aside several hundred dollars to freeze some sperm. (storing eggs costs a lot more, i know.)
Satellite 08.05.17	this might shock you, but not everybody feels it necessary to procreate.
Dedes 08.05.17	He is simply saying that storing eggs/sperm is a good idea if you plan on getting the operation on the chance you end up wanting children down the road. Better safe then sorry eh?
Jots 08.05.17	@satty - no shit. but how you feel about procreation in your teens might change as you approach your mid 20s and so on.
superluminals 08.05.17	Yeah but I also feel he is assuming that just because someone is transitioning they are financially stable, everyone's situation is different. Just taking the hormones will make you sterile you don't need the surgery for that.
Dedes 08.05.17	Yeah that is true.
Jots 08.05.17	@super - yes yes I know this. all I'm getting at is: if you're able to cover your bases, do it. if you can't then, well, make sure you're willing to make that compromise. I know several MTF trans who did a complete 180 regarding wanting to have kids, and have to accept being sterile. but, they are still happy they transitioned. every case is indeed different, but I'm not convinced that teens are all necessarily able to wrap their heads around the trade-off of HRT and infertility at that age.
Sinternet 08.05.17	far be it for sput to have a decent thread about a topic like this anyway go bandcamp and go these artists
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 08.05.17	lol hard at teens knowing if they want kids. Teens don't even have formed brains yet and they act like they're gonna call a lifetime decision that early. Oh to be young and stupid...
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 08.05.17	"far be it for sput to have a decent thread about a topic like this" Sput is like the most pro-trans place out there what are you even talking about...
superluminals 08.05.17	@johnny agreed, don't get me wrong you have great points
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.05.17	Feature this
Relinquished 08.05.17	it was yesterday
dbizzles 08.05.17	Yeaaaah, bought all of Thou's discog.
polyrhythm 08.05.17	"Sput is like the most pro-trans place out there" there have been so many transphobic comments on this website wtf do you mean
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 08.05.17	"so many" Relative to where?
Papa Universe 08.05.17	I suppose, as opposed to this: https://www.afa.net/
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 08.06.17	I don't even know what that is but put it against Yahoo, ESPN, etc. and my statement is undeniably true. Fuck it, put us against the Guardian or Vox and it still holds.
Papa Universe 08.06.17	It's American Family Association
TheSpaceMan 08.06.17	J on the spot: you should do Y in case you want X Users: BUT WHAT IF YOU DON'T END UP WANTING "X"
Lord(e)Po)))ts 08.06.17	feature it again