yanquiuxo: is Breaking Bad the best TV Series of all time?

Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Mark Frost is also a good portion of Twin Peaks. That said Twin Peaks holds back from being truly special for me because Lynch is too obsessed with being needlessly surreal.
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	You're right, i completely forgot him
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Best tv show ever is Peep Show though
Papa Universe 07.18.17	I grew to detest Breaking Bad. Every single series listed out here is unquestionably more interesting than that rotten carcass, especially Fargo!
anat 07.18.17	BrBa is not best ever but it's bloody brilliant, I've absolutely loved Better Call Saul so far which has far exceeded expectations Haven't got around to Fargo S3 yet but S1 was incredible GOT is a pleasure to watch but fantasy doesn't grip me as much
anat 07.18.17	Peep Show +1
InFlamesWeThrash666 07.18.17	check Taboo
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	@Unique Same as you, and yes, Fargo is absolutely brilliant
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Game of Thrones is kinda crap though also And I never got into True Detective Breaking Bad has some of the best written characters in film history
SitarHero 07.18.17	Firefly.
Underflow 07.18.17	For my money I'd have to say Mad Men is the best show of all time.
anat 07.18.17	Other favourites: Hustle Jonathan Creek Futurama Black Mirror Sherlock S1 The Thick Of It
adr 07.18.17	It's infinitely better than 3 and 2 lol 5, 4 and 1 are close, but prob still inferior i'd rank The Sopranos higher than BB tho.
DrGonzo1937 07.18.17	True Detective S01 is hands down the best thing to hit TV. Glad to see someone enjoys season 2 of it too; it's really not as bad as people made out. Also Twin Peaks as one of the best shows, and potentially GoT, depending on how it all ends.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Best series of all time in rough order: - Game of Thrones - The Wire - Twin Peaks - Six Feet Under - Deadwood - Sopranos - Justified - Breaking Bad - Mad Men - Westworld - Utopia - True Detectives - Hannibal - Lost - The Handmaids Tale - Walking Dead Just finished American Gods series 1 which was ok, 7/10 sorta level
ScuroFantasma 07.18.17	I like Breaking Bad, but never enjoyed it to the extent some people do. I think it's a good solid show, but not one of my favourites. Late starter on Twin Peaks but I'm nearing the end of the S1 DVD and fucking loving it. I wasn't so sure the first time I watched the pilot episode, in fact I actually watched it again the next night instead of moving forward and enjoyed it a lot more on my second watch, felt like I understood things a lot better and from then on have been hooked. Other faves though are; Community, Sherlock [2], Peaky Blinders, Grimm, Brooklyn 99, and House. Only seen up to s3 of GOT, need to get back into it as I quite enjoy that too.
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	''Breaking Bad has some of the best written characters in film history'' I strongly disagree. Maybe in history of tv serieses, but film history is too much to be even comparable @anatelier Black mirror was cool but i still haven't seen the 3rd season
tempest-- 07.18.17	Simpsons is the GOAT no contest
Rowan5215 07.18.17	"Best series of all time in rough order: - Game of Thrones" hehehehehehe heh good one. s/o to anatelier for The Thick Of It, that show has some of the funniest dialogue ever written by mankind
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	I actually think Justified, for all its faults, ended up a more entertaining series than Breaking Bad - I'd call Justified the ultimate Saturday night show, mixed the humour, intrigue and action/violence just right. Breaking Bad is more carefully constructed though.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Game of Thrones is the TV Show I never thought possible, the closest to this generations Star Wars phenomenon you'll ever get. For that - it's the greatest.
anat 07.18.17	face like dot cotton licking piss off a nettle
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Jonathan Creek?
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	I was only including drama series in my list btw. My favourite show of all time is probably Red Dwarf. Peep Show is decent too.
Rowan5215 07.18.17	"knowledge. is. porridge." "stuart, that doesn't even fucking rhyme"
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Row, what's your favourite drama show?
Rowan5215 07.18.17	my favourite of all time is Buffy, which goes from a silly 90s comedy to a full-on wrencher of a drama and back again better than any other show I've seen so... that, I guess? but as far as highbrow acceptable patrician opinions go... probably the Sopranos, a classic for a reason
anat 07.18.17	Jonathan Creek and Hustle are the sort of shows I find effortlessly easy to watch, I'm a sucker for the "how'd they do that"
butcherboy 07.18.17	Doof, justified was a fucking great show!! Rescue Me is up there in the top 5 for me..
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Justified fell off for me after the first season. Got really bored by it. The Shield is another classic though, that show was strong from start to finish.
Dewinged 07.18.17	Battlestar Galactica is the one I enjoyed the most. Black Mirror broke my soul, probably the greatest in my book.
Papa Universe 07.18.17	This be the list, those be the shows, these be the master levels of writing: Boardwalk Empire (Terence Winter) Fargo (Noah Hawley) Pushing Daisies (Bryan Fuller) Hannibal (Bryan Fuller) Wonderfalls (Bryan Fuller) Black Mirror (Charlie Brooker) Peaky Blinders (Steven Knight) The Newsroom (Aaron Sorkin) Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Max Landis) BoJack Horseman (Raphael Bob-Waksberg) Mad Men (Matthew Weiner) Community (Dan Harmon) Rick and Morty (Dan Harmon, Justin Roiland) The Leftovers (Damon Lindelof) Broadchurch (Chris Chibnall, Louise Fox) Westworld (Jonathan Nolan, Lisa Joy) Black Books (Dylan Moran, Graham Linehan) South Park (Trey Parker, Matt Stone)
Dewinged 07.18.17	I am also hopelessly adicted to Game of Thrones of course.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Row - Sopranos is up there, there's not a lot between all the top 10 or so shows I listed, all classics in my eyes. Buffy I watched a bit but never bonded with it. It's probably really excellent, I just found it a bit too kitsch and knowing for my taste
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Nice Unique, knew there was a show I'd left out - added Mad Men to my list of great shows, that was another top 10 or thereabouts
Orb 07.18.17	Shameless is the best series ever but this is up there
Rowan5215 07.18.17	I recommend sticking with Buffy through to around Season 5 if you ever have the time, it has the best episode ever shown on TV imo
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	@Unique Totally gonna check Boardwalk Empire. i left it out for too long. Plus, it features Buscemi, and i love him
Dr7 07.18.17	The Leftovers is up there if you can take it. Seems to be a love/hate show. I loved it, more so than Breaking Bad, which I also loved.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	I thought the first season of Justified was the weakest, standard 'solve the case each episode' format. It got so intertwined later, it was brilliant how complex the layers got. I believe the final season of Justified is the best final season of any show I've ever seen. Better than Six Feet Under, better than Breaking Bad, better than Sopranos.
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	Thoughts on Lost? i loved it but got a little disappointed by the ending
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	I never watched the final season of Lost but that show was another one which was a real phenomenon at the time. Probably should put it at the bottom section of my list, the first couple of seasons were mostly excellent.
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Maybe I just have crap taste in telly because aside from South Park, Black Books and Rick and Morty, I dislike every show on Unique's list haha
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Black Mirror especially might be the worst show I've ever seen
butcherboy 07.18.17	Unique, pushing daisies was another fantastic show cancelled too soon.. I've been enjoying bloodline quite a bit as well
butcherboy 07.18.17	Although I think Sorkin's writing looks, sounds and feels more substantial than it actually is..
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	No Deadwood fans? That could have grown into the best of them all imo. So unlucky it came before the TV show revolution, no way it would have been cancelled in 2017
butcherboy 07.18.17	Deadwood was phenomenal and David Milch is perhaps the best writer in TV (when he shows up anyway).. His last two efforts, john from Cincinnati and Luck all got nixed in the first season and both are fantastic
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	One show I loved and am a disappointed was cancelled is The Get Down.
butcherboy 07.18.17	The Riches too! Eddie Izzard, great show, cut too soon
anat 07.18.17	Forgot about Mr Robot which is another corker
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	All i hope is that Hawley will make another plenty of seasons of Fargo. he should take all the time he needs, but i really hope the ideas will come, because with another 3 or 4 seasons like the first 3 , Fargo will be the king of it all.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Worst TV show I've seen in a long time was the return of the X-Files - that wasn't just total horseshit in its own right, it also tried to undo the good things about the original series mythology. Total turkey.
AsleepInTheBack 07.18.17	Been loving Black Mirror recently. And the latest series of Preacher is good fun. Breaking Bad was always just pretty good for me, though it was an exceptionally well made show with some solid characters.
henryChinaski 07.18.17	No.
Valkoor952 07.18.17	True Detective season 1 is the greatest tv I have ever seen. Breaking Bad is pretty exceptional but it's not close to being the greatest show ever as everyone hails it to be.
MeatSalad 07.18.17	Been watching and enjoying Billions and The Wire lately. BrBa is still my favorite show along with Band of Brothers.
Dewinged 07.18.17	Any one dug Stranger Things?
Dewinged 07.18.17	True Detective s1 and Fargo are also among the best I watched recently.
Papa Universe 07.18.17	No matter how crazy and fun this new season and any future seasons of Preacher might be, it will never ever make my list of favs simply because of the inexcusably godawfully dreary, uneventful and downright unbearably boring first season.
MeatSalad 07.18.17	Oh and Mad Men. Despite feeling like a soap opera at times, Donald Draper is one of my all time favorite TV characters
MeatSalad 07.18.17	Stranger Things is a fun show but got a little overhyped. Probably one of the best Netflix exclusives tho
artiswar 07.18.17	Stop reading at Game Of Thrones > Breaking Bad. That is asinine.
Clumseee 07.18.17	Breaking Bad is kinda leamoe.
MeatSalad 07.18.17	Agreed GoT nowadays feels like it's being written for people with double digit IQ, one of the most dumbed down shows I've ever seen. Was awesome until season 5
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Stranger Things might be an all-time fave for me, yeah. It has everything I love about cinema in one show.
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Couldn't even make it through one episode of the Wire. Rubbish.
artiswar 07.18.17	not enough dragons?
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	Too many.
MO 07.18.17	The Sopranos is probably the best ever. in terms of pure writing not much can beat it
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	''Stop reading at Game Of Thrones > Breaking Bad. That is asinine'' as much as you're right, i think them both are overrated. I enjoyed both of 'em, but time passes and things left by, are poorly present
Gameofmetal 07.18.17	i already like game of thrones more than breaking bad just cuz that's my shit, but imagine if they made a more faithful adaptation without some of the dumbed down writing that began to pop up literally no one would talk about other television
Astral Abortis 07.18.17	If they were faithful to the books, everyone would have stopped watching halfway through the second season because SNOOOOOOOZE-FEST
artiswar 07.18.17	the books are unfilmable, that's why they're books. The last 2 are 90% conversations between characters that don't even exist in the show, so yeah, good luck with a more faithful adaptation.
Alastor 07.18.17	Still haven't found a show that's more essential than Simpsons S01-08. Twin Peaks and Moomin come close though.
Papa Universe 07.18.17	Moomin what now?
cylinder 07.18.17	Mad men > 12 oz mouse >
DominionMM1 07.18.17	breaking bad the best series ever? lol not even close. it's not even the best tv drama series ever
artiswar 07.18.17	Moomin LMAO you've just sabotaged the next 30 days of my life you asshole
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	'Game of Thrones dumbed down' So what? It's gearing up to become the equivalent of a blockbuster fantasy movie the last couple of seasons - that in itself is pretty original for a TV show and a big budget rumble has the capacity to be 10/10 entertaining. It proved its 'smart' credential in the first 3 or 4 seasons. A lot of the actors in it are true heavyweights, the special effects are unparalleled for a TV show, people need to relax into what the show has become or just switch it off. There's no point criticising it really, it's got the same hammy appeal as the original Star Wars, it's transcended beyond useful debate three years ago. It's one of very few bonafide phenomena of the last decade in popular entertainment, the actors will be loved as much as the Star Trek and Star Wars actors, it's what it is. But what you can't do is ever say it got things wrong, it's clearly proven itself. In terms of impact in popular entertainment it's monstered everything, including even your Breaking Bads or Walking Deads.
heck 07.18.17	"Couldn't even make it through one episode of the Wire. Rubbish." then you didn't even give it a fair chance. it starts out as a pretty typical cop show but evolves into a fantastic character drama.
dbizzles 07.18.17	I'm not going to argue BrBa as best show ever, but it was really fucking good. I keep seeing Mad Men on here, isn't that just about some asshole that smokes too much and hates his wife for 6 or 7 seasons?
hal1ax 07.18.17	the wire [90] also s02 of true detective is 5/10 tops
artiswar 07.18.17	'become the equivalent of a blockbuster fantasy movie' that you see this as a good thing worries me 'proved it's smart credentials in first 3 or 4 season' so many things wrong with that I don't even know where to start... the first season was very smart but the show shit the bed so hard repeatedly after that 'people need to relax or just switch it off' why are you made so uncomfortable by simple honest criticism? is discourse dead on the internet and I missed a memo? Then you use Walking Dead and Breaking Bad in the same sentence... Oh shit I just got trolled.
dbizzles 07.18.17	Walking Dead is such a fucking joke.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Artiswar - read again, there's no personal slant. Why can't you deal with the fact it's become the equivalent of Star Wars aka effectively beyond criticism for millions of fans? I personally never got the Star Wars thing totally but the idea of wasting any time trying to prove its bad is like trying to tell a million Beatles fans they're wrong. Some things become phenomena, it's rare, GoT is one. Why shouldn't there be a fantasy blockbuster on the scale of LOTR on the TV? Why not? Again that was another phenomena at the time, can't blame them for ramping the show to that scale. If you dislike that sort of genre then that's acceptable but you are effectively genre rating which means nothing. If you only like highbrow, thoughtful, releases or indie TV releases or whatever then you don't like it for what it is rather than its inherent quality :/
dbizzles 07.18.17	FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Papa Universe 07.18.17	This is getting interesting...
Sinternet 07.18.17	'Best series of all time in rough order: - Game of Thrones - The Wire - Twin Peaks - Six Feet Under - Deadwood - Sopranos - Justified - Breaking Bad - Mad Men - Westworld - Utopia - True Detectives - Hannibal - Lost - The Handmaids Tale - Walking Dead' jesus christ
demigod! 07.18.17	you all need to curb your enthusiasm
Sinternet 07.18.17	'Broadchurch (Chris Chibnall, Louise Fox)' if you completely ignore everything after season i agree
NordicMindset 07.18.17	it's the best one I've ever seen I also have not seen any of the others that are up there
Sinternet 07.18.17	nice to see the Utopia love though
Sinternet 07.18.17	fuck yeah moomin
AlexKzillion 07.18.17	You all need some Friends
Sinternet 07.18.17	also just reality check: steven universe is the best animated show currently out there and depending on it's future could be the best overall
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Only drama series Sint, I'm sure you're about to tell me what I've been missing though
hal1ax 07.18.17	ohhh i forgot about deadwood. niice
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	If Deadwood ended up with 5 series as good as the first two it'd be top, easily
Egarran 07.18.17	GoT is so popular now that some pople must hate it. It's a natural law. But for adult fantasy it is simply the best there has ever been. By miles and miles.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Oh sure people can hate GoT, people hate Star Wars too I bet...and the Beatles...and Elvis. You can criticise them, knock yourself out, I'm not sure anyone else will much notice though. It's at that level.
artiswar 07.18.17	Holy crap Doofus. How is Star Wars beyond criticism? Nothing is beyond criticism, unless that criticism is unwarranted. Game Of Thrones is not a good show. It’s extremely pretty and well made, and entertaining it could be argued I guess, but it’s terribly written/adapted. I don’t care if there’s a large-scale LOTR type ratings cow on TV, I only care if it’s good, it has little to do with genre. If you think GoT is good because it’s massively popular, realize 90% of fans can’t name half the characters on the show or why they are relavant. My top 5 shows of all time are probably The Wire, Hannibal, Breaking Bad, Black Mirror and Six Feet Under.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	'Game of Thrones is not a good show' Tell Sky who base their price hikes on it, c'mon now, I think it's proven quite popular
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Your top 5 are all great shows, on that we agree
artiswar 07.18.17	you didn't read what I said.
Egarran 07.18.17	Watching at least 25 of the old Twilight Zone episodes is mandatory. Always good to see love for The Kingdom. It's frustrating the way it doesn't end, though. But until then, genius.
TheSpaceMan 07.18.17	"But for adult fantasy it is simply the best there has ever been" i have much better adult fantasies
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Game of Thrones is as close to universal as you can get...yes the masses who only know Jon Snerrr are there...but then it also has about a thousand dedicated fan sites (some resemble history websites, others read like wiki, others are dense impenetrable forums), hundreds of YouTube fan reviewers, it already has conventions, I think some people are crazily academic over it too.
Egarran 07.18.17	Bravest Warriors, the Catbug episode.
TheSpaceMan 07.18.17	King of the Hill or True Detective?
artiswar 07.18.17	Dancing With The Stars and American Idol are pretty universal too, what is your point? The show is a shallow watered down version of the books, but I will admit the show has a damn fine casting director.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Well, the discussion is about shows in the same ballpark as Breaking Bad (televised drama) so I was only defending it in relation to that. For a drama to have such universal appeal is rare. I haven't read the books, I have read a lot about the plot alterations and general strokes of the story - sounds just as potentially hit and miss and everyone I know who's started reading them has said George is a pretty awful writer, so the show is an improvement. I'll probably get round to them though.
artiswar 07.18.17	George is a fucking genius but not a perfect writer by any means... with that said, the show is not an improvement on any level unless you count the prudent exclusion of repeated 20 page long feast montages.
Snake. 07.18.17	twin peaks is nothing more than magic beans in comparison to brba
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	I'll probably like the books, I really enjoy listening to George interviewed, have huge respect for him. A very clever man.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Twin Peaks is its own thing, all about the little Lynch details
hal1ax 07.18.17	the books are good , yea. third was my favorite, but they're all pretty strong.
hal1ax 07.18.17	also idk about this appeal to popularity argument. can we not apply the same logic of "universality" to the Big Mac or the McRib sandwich lol.
artiswar 07.18.17	The books are very flawed and over-indulgent but also extremely thoughtful and engrossing. And they're not fun, kind of like getting kicked in the dick repeatedly, but in a poignant artful way. Watch Moomin guys. It's an extremely bizarre Finnish cartoon/book series from the 80s. Just make sure to ingest a lot of hallucinogens before-hand.
dbizzles 07.18.17	'Game Of Thrones is not a good show. It’s extremely pretty and well made, and entertaining it could be argued I guess, but it’s terribly written/adapted.' I can't speak about its adaptation, but the writing on the show has been good, imo.
Conmaniac 07.18.17	fav shows as of now: Sense8 Mr. Robot Black Mirror It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia BoJack Horseman Rick and Morty House of Cards Better Call Saul
artiswar 07.18.17	you lack the source material to compare it to so you don't realize what your missing. For example the Dorne subplot is fascinating in the books, in the show it's a damn abortion.
Sinternet 07.18.17	'Bravest Warriors, the Catbug episode.' nice
hal1ax 07.18.17	"the Dorne subplot is fascinating in the books, in the show it's a damn abortion." ^this
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Well, to clarify I've never been more obsessed with a show than during the second and third seasons of GoT, and I genuinely feel the show overall has entertained me more than any other. The popularity thing is just saying that it has made it the most groundbreaking show in years, possibly since Lost ripped up what a TV show could achieve and effectively kickstarted the whole TV series thing.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	Don't get me wrong some of the plots have been shite, but that's the same with any series which lasted three or more seasons
Gyromania 07.18.17	GoT is a g.o.a.t. contender.... up until season 5, where it becomes really mediocre. "Hold the door" has to be the most contrived shit I've ever seen
hal1ax 07.18.17	yea overall i think the show is phenomenal. excited for the upcoming season.
dbizzles 07.18.17	'you lack the source material to compare it to so you don't realize what your missing. For example the Dorne subplot is fascinating in the books, in the show it's a damn abortion.' To be honest, I'm glad I don't have a connection to the source material or I would probably have the same problems with the show that you do. Instead, I have an unbiased view of the show and, in my opinion, a much better grasp of the quality of the show because you are incapable of disassociating it from the source material. Reading that back, it kind seems like I'm trying to be a dick. Believe me, I'm not. I'm dealing with the same shit with Preacher as a series. The comic series is one of my favorite series of all time and I just can't take the show for what it is. I didn't even bother to record season 2 because the first season pissed me off so bad with it's adaptation among many other things.
artiswar 07.18.17	Here’s a perfect example of how Dave & Dan fundamentally lack an understanding of the source material. In S2, Catelyn releases Jaime for no apparent reason, because she’s a woman and she’s on her period I guess, who knows, don’t think about it too deeply. In the book, Theon, a pathetic two-bit jock actually annihilates the whole north by setting off a mind-boggling chain reaction unbeknownst to him. He burns 2 farm children to death and claims they are the Stark boys, which is news that reaches Catelyn and shocks her to her core, to the point where she is willing to free her house’s greatest bargaining chip just as an act of good-will to potentially save what’s left of her family, which leads directly to the total slaughter of her house. Reading the series is like witnessing a complicated yet spectacular domino-effect of fuck ups that directly leads to the ruin of everyone you hold dear as a reader, yet in the show, this essential cause-and-effect is mostly absent and things just happen arbitrarily because reasons.
Faraudo 07.18.17	is Breaking Bad the best TV Series of all time? Yes it is.
toomuchtestosterone 07.18.17	The Wire is better than anything else GoT Rick and Morty IASIP Bojack Horseman South Park True Detective Hannibal Breaking Bad Futurama HoC Stranger Things The Office Westworld Still gotta work my way through Deadwood and The Sopranos, but I'm sure they be somewhere on this list
Faraudo 07.18.17	And I saw Mr. Robot being mentioned here, and that always triggers me. First season is a 10/10 give it all the awards kinda thing, and the second season is an abomination and a contrived drag with a bazillion plot holes. There's a couple of things I like about it, but overall; it sucks.
artiswar 07.18.17	Dbizzles, I get where you're coming from but that's like saying you're glad you don't realize how shitty things are.
Faraudo 07.18.17	Oh, and The Wire's final season is average at best.
artiswar 07.18.17	I don't associate the show with the books at all anymore, haven't for a long time (since S2 honestly). It just annoys me when people hold the show on a pedestal like it's remotely on a similar playing field as the books.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	In the show Jaime was in danger of being executed by an insurgent element in Robb's camp and if he were to die she was worried the Lannisters would kill her daughters/one of her daughters in response or something similar (dungeon for life/sent somewhere secret or whatever). That sounds a better plot than the 'good will gesture' in isolation but I don't deny the plot might be more effective in the book. The TV plot for that seemed ok to me coming in cold to it :/
hal1ax 07.18.17	final season of the wire is ok. season 2 is easily the weakest though. every other season is incredible.
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	The Dorne plot and Faceless Men stuff was really clunky though, I can imagine that's all handled better in the books
dbizzles 07.18.17	You know what they say, ignorance is bliss. I just don't see the flaws you do. While it has been one of probably 5-6 series over the last 5 years that I've been following every season either live or on DVR, I'm not even a giant fan boy of the show so I'm not that critical about it. I think it's pretty well written, even if the books are written better. I don't compare the two because I can't but there are plenty of people in my office that can and they are on your side for the most part. To step aside from the show, do you think George actually has it in him to finish the books mentally or physically? Has it gotten too big for him to conclude? Some of my co-workers feel like he's just kind of bullshitting it now and letting HBO do what they want. Won't that fuck with the books if they do come to fruition since some of the events in the show were never formally written/released and have deviated so much? I feel really bad for his fans. Game of Thrones fucked them pretty hard and he's just cool with it.
artiswar 07.18.17	I liked S2 a lot until I started reading the book soon after, then I realized, wait... this shit makes no sense! I still watch the show, it's entertaining on some level but it's like comparing cotton candy to steak
DoofusWainwright 07.18.17	I actually really like season 2 of the Wire. Season 3 is my favourite though.
artiswar 07.18.17	I don't give a fuck if George finishes the books. When I finished the last book, I was dying for more... This was in fucking 2011. I have gone on to read many more fantasy novels far better in many respects than ASOIAF if not deeper in scope. I don't care that much anymore. But when people say that the show is accomplishing what George can't, I just shake my head, can't find any merit to that argument.
artiswar 07.18.17	Season 2 of the Wire is my fave btw.
neekafat 07.18.17	"Fargo, by Noah Hawley (2014 - i hope never) S01 10/10 S02 9/10 - S03 9.5/10" You mean S01 10/10 - S02 9.5/10 - S03 8/10
hal1ax 07.18.17	ugh u liked season 2? it felt like such a digression to me after season 1; especially since season 3 sort of picks up where 1 leaves off and is the strongest season of all imo. all of the 'docks' characters were dispensable, McCnulty played too small a role, etc. etc.
neekafat 07.18.17	Also you're missing Fringe and Star Trek DS9
hal1ax 07.18.17	"Season 2 of the Wire is my fave btw." im going to scream
artiswar 07.18.17	the only reason I ended up watching the Wire is because my bf forced me and kept saying 'first 2 seasons are slow but it gets better!' First 2 seasons ended up by far my faves, so make what you will of that
hal1ax 07.18.17	season 1 and 3 are my favs. idk i guess i'm just surprised that people like s2 so much. maybe i should go back and re-watch it.
Conmaniac 07.18.17	Mr. Robot season 2 was weak agreed but was still easily a 8/10 season because of the last 3-4 episodes.
dbizzles 07.18.17	'But when people say that the show is accomplishing what George can't, I just shake my head, can't find any merit to that argument.' That's because that is a stupid thing to say.
artiswar 07.18.17	S2 is jarring because yes, it's a very tangential season that has little to do with the main plot, but I'm okay with that. I really liked Frank's story, and the whole season culminates in a massive kick in the junk which I can relate to personally
hal1ax 07.18.17	hehe fair enough.
artiswar 07.18.17	@ pjorn I will @ who I want damn it
hal1ax 07.18.17	3 is 1 nice 1 at 4 tho... we bout to have problems
hal1ax 07.18.17	3 , 1 , 4 , 5 , 2
Egarran 07.18.17	Zombie Hodor ftw
Faraudo 07.18.17	S5 of The Wire is still pretty average. And Conmaniac, I would probably give it a 5 or a 6, mainly because it took them 12 episodes to give some sort of resolution about S1's cliffhanger, and I felt like it ran in circles for the whole ordeal. The one scene I really liked was the Zero-Sum chess battle between Mr. Robot and Elliot, and some of Angela's plotline.
AngryJohnny 07.18.17	The Wire yeah I love GoT but don't feel anyone can say where it fits into this discussion until it concludes and we can digest the whole thing
Typhoon24 07.18.17	way too many good shows to say BB is the best, but it's up there. felt it might have had the best last season out of any show i've seen.
Conmaniac 07.18.17	Angela's plotline got pretty dark...she seems so different and numb to everything now it's crazy. and the whole jail thing took way too long to resolve but it was all worth it cuz Joey Bada$$ was a fucking brilliant actor
tom79 07.18.17	1. the wire and 2. the sopranos
dbizzles 07.18.17	'I love GoT but don't feel anyone can say where it fits into this discussion until it concludes and we can digest the whole thing' Hey! That's... fair, actually.
Yotimi 07.18.17	Prob Arrested Development for me. But Breaking Bad and Buffy are up there
artiswar 07.18.17	It always feels weird comparing comedies and serious dramas but yeah Arrested Development is up there
Papa Universe 07.18.17	Can we just address the fact that yanquiuxo the user just sort of showed up out of nowhere and in about 2 weeks caused more butthurt discussions and general interest for his posts than anyone else?
JeetJeet 07.18.17	Calling GoT better than BB....LMAOOOOOO. And y'all gotta stop praising Twin Peaks like s2 doesn't nosedive into complete garbage.
JeetJeet 07.18.17	Ay props for recognizing how incredible Utopia is tho
Corney 07.18.17	Is it gay that my two favorite t.v. shows are animes. Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and Neon Genesis Evangelion. I'm not the biggest anime fan but these shows are simply fantastic. Fullmetal is emotionally engaging and cuts most of the bullshit that comes with anime. Evangelion is unlike any anime ever and is surreal and confusing as shit. Favorite non-anime is probably Arrested Development or something. Also, season 2 of Twin Peaks is not a fucking 9/10 and season 3 is no where near a 10/10 are you fucking taking the piss.
dbizzles 07.18.17	I heard season 2 was more or less meandering bullshit after the first few episodes that tie up season 1.
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	@Unique ahahah i knew that this and the Tarantino list could have been a little provocative. looks like i was right eheh Anyway it's good to see so many different opinions, and yes Corney, i'm taking everything from my mentor David Lynch lol - just kidding, it's just a matter of perception i guess. Maybe i've been too good with S02 i'll give you that, but S03 is absolutley 10 for me. Being a fan of Lynch for years and the new Twin Peaks is exactly what i was expecting.
Satellite 07.18.17	"GAME OF THRONES ... S05 9/10 - S06 9/10" was taking this list srsly until i read this. also better call saul > bb
Corney 07.18.17	Ok, I cannot speak on behalf of the entirety of Better Call Saul. However, I have seen the first season and it is infinitely worse than Breaking Bad. The first season of Better Call Saul is insanely boring. Who would of thought that a t.v. show about a lawyer trying to make a name for himself would be uninteresting. Breaking Bad 8/10 Better Call Saul 5.5/10
Satellite 07.18.17	"Who would of thought that a t.v. show about a lawyer trying to make a name for himself would be uninteresting." probably the same ppl who use the phrase "would of" idk
Corney 07.18.17	@dbizzles It does meander and has some annoying plot points. Season 2 is just filled with many great episodes and many bad episodes. However, sitting through the whole thing is important because the last episode is some of the best work Lynch has ever done.
Clegane 07.18.17	@satellite lol got em
anat 07.18.17	better call saul is fantastic, you end up learning a whole lot about mike, and the steady rise of los pollos hermanos
Corney 07.18.17	Us would of's are a strong people and we refuse to force ourselves to enjoy a spin off t.v. show with plot points that make watching paint dry sound more intriguing.
Rik VII 07.18.17	Better Call Saul's season 3 is easily on par with Breaking Bad's best moments. Amazing craftmanship from everyone involved, just amazing. I didn't expect that though, since season 2 was so disappointingly uneventful. As for Twin Peaks, the first half of season 2 is on the same level as the first season. Then it goes to shit for a while and only becomes good again for one episode, and that's the last, needless to say. Season 2 has the best episode of both seasons though - Lonely Souls, that is. That one might even be my favorite episode of any series ever. Just masterful.
anat 07.18.17	the thing is it's less a spin off and more a fleshing out of the BrBa universe and with amazingly three dimensional characters
iambandersnatch 07.18.17	Yeah twin peaks is cool and interesting but definitely overrated. Too much shit is weird just for the sake of being weird. @ the original question, BB is definitely not the best show ever, although its somewhere in the top 20 I've seen pretty much everything mentioned here but haven't tried Utopia, you guys have me curious. I wanna talk about Lost because using a normal metric I wouldn't rate it as highly as untouchables like The Wire, but for all the things it did wrong (especially in the last season or two, and with that ending) the highs were so high and it took me on a journey that was more powerful than a lot of great shows. Like, if you asked me which show is objectively better between BB and Lost I'd say BB, but if you asked me which one I would rather watch if I could only watch one thing ever again it would be Lost, easy.
JeetJeet 07.18.17	The Leftovers took a shit on over half the shows mentioned ITT this year in only 8 episodes but I'm sleep.
iambandersnatch 07.18.17	Also, if you wanna crucify me I think all things Aaron Sorkin and Bryan Fuller related are pretty overrated. Actually that Sorkin opinion isn't that unpopular, but @ Fuller I just think he is too focused on making everything so artsy/aesthetically awesome and the story/characters/etc. suffer for it. American Gods season 1 is probably the most overrated show in the last 5 years other than The Walking Dead. Although that is not entirely Fuller's fault, I think the source material from Gaiman is a pretty overrated as well.
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	''Too much shit is weird just for the sake of being weird'' disagreed. it's Lynch, you love him or you hate him. I would probably like pointless shit as well, cause it's way of making things mesmerizes me. Episodes like 8th of 3rd season can easily be garbage for many people. Anyway, i'm feeling that he's going somewhere... shit is getting to a point..
yanquiuxo 07.18.17	Just to make it clear, I'm not putting Lynch on a pedestal, nor praising him as one of the greatest artists or directors out there. I just think that his vision is really something different and beautifully concieved. He created a stunning universe in television and cinema
Crymsonblaze 07.18.17	BrBa is good, but not great. Wonderfully acted though. The actors completely carry that show.
LoLifant 07.18.17	No.
Faraudo 07.19.17	You missed The Leftovers, what a beautiful and poignant show that one is.
Rik VII 07.19.17	"nor praising him as one of the greatest artists or directors out there" You wouldn't be wrong if you did though
Papa Universe 07.19.17	@iambandersnatch: I too was let down by American Gods. It seemed to me that Fuller was concerned with a strong visual component more than the actual substance. Sure, that always played a huge role in his work, but the style and the artsy phantasmagoria was never the focus. It was the story, compelling characters, the overall enthralling oddity. Here, sure enough, the oddity is elevated to the levels never before seen, but at the expense of a worthwhile taletelling. But Fuller knows what he's doing, so I have full confidence that all of those seemingly randomly thrown in characters and side stories will end up turning into something grandiose and rewarding in the end. But truth be told, American Gods is without a doubt his weakest effort yet, even if visually the most stunning one and story-wise most ambitious.
unclereich 07.19.17	Youre the worst will end up one of the best ever
AsleepInTheBack 07.19.17	American Gods seems promising to be honest, but yes I agree essentially with what you've said Unique. First half of the series was fantastic, second half got a bit sluggish for me. Hoping it'll all get tied together a bit better next series
JeetJeet 07.19.17	@FourthReich YTW is one of the top 3 comedies out rn. I'm salty as fuck nobody else watches it tho.
JWT155 07.19.17	Season 2 of True Detective was a Dumpster Fire
polyrhythm 07.19.17	Hannibal True Detective s1 Twin Peaks Arrested Development
DrGonzo1937 07.19.17	"Season 2 of True Detective was a Dumpster Fire" Wasn't that bad.
JeetJeet 07.19.17	It was fuckin horrible lets not kid ourselves. Vince Vaughn was garbage in it. Paul's character was whack. Colin Farrell was the only redeeming part of s2. Everything else was a giant convoluted mess filled with extremely laughable lines.
unclereich 07.19.17	@jeetjeet i kno man its number one for me insanely unique show
DominionMM1 07.19.17	"Everything else was a giant convoluted mess filled with extremely laughable lines." my god the way that season ended was just about the worst thing ever. such a shame that that season will forever be attached to the excellence that is the first season.
dbizzles 07.19.17	I thought it was decent. Solid 6.5/10. There were some laughable moments.
dbizzles 07.19.17	There aren't any solid plans for a third season, right?
polyrhythm 07.19.17	Mahershala Ali set to star
polyrhythm 07.19.17	"I thought it was decent. Solid 6.5/10. There were some laughable moments" muh mane
Papa Universe 07.19.17	You're not very well educated in this manner, are you?
dctarga 07.19.17	Early Edition...oh yeah
jagride 07.19.17	true detective season 2 was dumb enjoyable trash. it helped that i didn't go into it thinking S1 was some kind of masterpiece there's so many clunky lines and forced attempts at being downbeat but i wound up just watching it for that shit anyway. the "failed to upload" message killed me let david milch write the next one
DominionMM1 07.19.17	"There aren't any solid plans for a third season, right?" no. i mean the president or whatever of hbo has said that they're open to doing a third season but it all depends on pizzolatto and what he comes up with.
JWT155 07.19.17	I think they realized what made Season 1 so great was it was a well thought out and crafted script that was worked on for years, Season 2 was literally pieced together after season 1 with a handful of side writers and dint have the benefit of time and critiquing before shooting.
jagride 07.19.17	season 2 was originally pitched as being about 'occult transportation systems' but that evidently got tossed out for some stuff he wrote on the fly
DominionMM1 07.19.17	using multiple directors who simply couldn't do the job that fukunaga did didn't help either
dbizzles 07.19.17	Hmm. That sucks, jagride. That could've been cool. I actually read an (over-analytical and far-reaching, but) interesting Reddit thread about the closing lines of True Detective S1 being basically taken from an Alan Moore comic called Top 10 that I've read. The overall idea for the dialogues are similar, but not quite enough to say Pizzolatto directly ripped off Moore or anything. He has said that what got him into writing to begin with were Alan Moore and Grant Morrison comics though, so it makes you wonder. Here's a link if you care: http://www.reddit.com/r/AlanMoore/comments/5r4636/nic_pizzolattos_true_detective_season_one_owes_a/ It goes even further into influence and whatnot with other elements of the show and other work from Moore and Morrison, but it gets pretty farfetched imo.
DominionMM1 07.19.17	i'll have to check that when i have the chance
jagride 07.19.17	could've been the new age cult angle had potential too will check
Valkoor952 07.19.17	I do hope we get a season 3 from True Detective. Pizzolato should get someone on board with him to write the script together. They should also take their time, to make sure they make a decent script. It's not going to top season 1 though, let's be honest. Something about the direction, cinematography and acting in that 1st season was absolutely astonishing.
Papa Universe 07.19.17	Season 3 is coming, they've already cast Mahershala Ali
dbizzles 07.19.17	Really? I was just on wiki like a couple weeks ago and they just said they're open. I don't know who that actor is, but I hope the show turns out well.
brainmelter 07.19.17	Fargo is reeeeally good, just finished 3rd season
dbizzles 07.19.17	3rd season was fantastic.
Rik VII 07.19.17	Fargo season 3 was a masterpiece, like theatre on the tv screen, just phenomenal. It's a shame that a lot of people couldn't stand it and instead prefer the old familiar gangsters kill gangsters stories that were told in season 2.
Valkoor952 07.19.17	They haven't cast him yet. There are just rumours that he's in talks to join.
dbizzles 07.19.17	S3 of Fargo was light-years ahead of S2.
JeetJeet 07.19.17	Nah it wasn't but it was still incredible. Fargo s2 is on another level of awesomeness. Mike Milligan stole the show. S3 ep 8 is probably the best episode of Fargo ever tho.
Rik VII 07.19.17	Mike Milligan was one of the more interesting characters of S2, but overall that season had kind of a generic story-line and the characters seemed flat compared to what the other seasons delivered, the cops in particular. I mean, the story wouldn't have gone very different if the cops hadn't existed at all. They didn't do anything until, like, the last two episodes. Anyway, what I said doesn't include Peggy obviously because she was an amazing character overall. But S3 had Varga. Jesus Christ. What else is there to say.
dbizzles 07.19.17	I think you and I have talked about this before, Jeet, but for me Milligan was easily the worst part of the season. Forget UFO's and Ray Romano's brother, his monologues were so drawn out and redundant. His thousand yard stare at a wall just trying to sound deep like he's in touch with the universe was terrible imo. There were good things about season two, like Meth Damon, wannabe Steve Buscemi at the beginning, The Gerhardt family- sans the daughter -and the Native American Bad Ass. But, overall, I'd give it a nice 7.5/10 where I'd hand S1 a 9.5/10 and S3 a 8.5/10.
Papa Universe 07.20.17	Anyone watches BoJack Horseman?
artiswar 07.20.17	Yes
Papa Universe 07.20.17	good
yanquiuxo 07.20.17	Time ago i quit at a half of season 2 but i think i'm gonna continue. it was pretty cool
artiswar 07.20.17	It's one of the best shows I've ever seen, definitely. So funny yet depressing almost at the same time
yanquiuxo 07.20.17	strangely at the time i was watching it, i was still engaged with my ex gf and sometimes Bojack's relationship with Princess Carolyn started to look like ours. i got creeped out and a little depressed so i quit the series lol
artiswar 07.20.17	yeah that show hits close to home in a lot of ways