BigPleb: Psychedelics | Sputnikmusic

BigPleb 02.11.16	Thoughts?
Frippertronics 02.11.16	needs more Fun House
BigPleb 02.11.16	Gimme a sec, bet Iggy would know.
GhettoHmbrglr 02.11.16	Psychedelics are (generally) great for self-improvement.. But there are no guarantees and they are far from predictable.. Regardless you will get more out of the experience if you are looking to improve yourself rather than 'get high'. Even if you dont get what you were expecting out of it you aren't likely to regret it. To me the psychedelic experience is extremely important, and i see someone who goes their whole life without having one the same way i see someone who has never had sex, or seen the ocean.. I wouldnt trade my psychedelic experience for all the money in the world. The 'hallucination' aspect of it sounds scarier than it actually is.
BigPleb 02.11.16	From what I've been told, shrooms are far more ruthless when it comes to being able to somewhat 'control' your trip?
emester 02.11.16	I'm considering this as well (tho in my case its LSA), but I'm still gonna go about this as carefully as possible. Nothing wrong with experimenting but be responsible make sure to not take it too far. Stay safe Plebster.
Avagantamos 02.11.16	I haven't had one specific life changing trip, but my use of psychedelics had definitely had a pretty big (positive) effect on me. It's a bit hard to explain, but it's basically changed the way I think about things / see things / made me more open minded. as far as hallucinations go, it's pretty much a myth. you don't really see or hear things that aren't there. you see bright colors and shifting patterns, but objects don't manifest themselves. I've done 1800 mcg of LSD and haven't experienced anything like that. as far as audio goes, it can make things sound a bit different. music is incredible, it's like listening to music on weed x 100. Highly recommended, but keep in mind that everyone's experiences are different.
BigPleb 02.11.16	That's what I mean man, like its very possible by anxiety could manifest into some horrible projection and that's what's holding me back.
Piglet 02.11.16	I've done MDMA, mescaline, DMT, mushrooms, nBome tabs, LSD and 2C-E For what's it worth, I recommend doing them because they are transformative experiences, even the bad trips (which is all I ever had). Yes truly the most frightening experiences I have ever had in my life has been on acid, mushrooms, DMT. It's not for someone like me who gets nauseous from just eating certain types of food, because you'll get this falling pit feeling inside your stomach that tears out all the happiness in your body and then you descend into thought loops that you can't get out of and yeah, it can drive you mad, very easily, very fast. At the time, it's like having your whole life being punctured by needles but honestly there is no good way of describing it. A lot of other people come out the other end absolutely totally fine and had an amazing time. It is really all your genetics and no one can tell you how you're going to react. But I say do it because it was the best test of character I ever got and I've grown a lot ever since.
Frippertronics 02.11.16	that's a lot better, plebowski
Avagantamos 02.11.16	if you can get your hands on it, try 2c-b. it's a fairly mild trip and generally easy to "control." visually it's a lot like LSD, but with a shorter duration. also feels amazing
BigPleb 02.11.16	Thanks for the honesty piglet man.
Avagantamos 02.11.16	stay away from nbomes
Piglet 02.11.16	No worries Pleb, I wish you all the best; just experiment with low dosages first. If you can get your hands on mescaline, do that. Like Ava says, stay away from nbomes
GhettoHmbrglr 02.11.16	Shrooms are less predictable in my experience, yes.. Lsd to me is more of a 'friendly' experience.. Thing to know tho is anxiety is usually more associated with lower doses.. If you do a full dose it almost always goes away since you are forced to give in to the experience. Put yourself in a situation/place where you can relax and be yourself.. The drugs are more likely to amplify anxiety than they are to trigger it.. So if you are in a good place mentally and a stress-free environment, there will be no reasons to worry.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Reason why I'm doing my research is mainly cos of how inexperienced with stronger drugs I am. I've only ever been a weed smoker so one of my friends said the leap from weed to something like LSD is uncomparable.
braspberries 02.11.16	Not much of a drug guy, can't speak to LSD, but I tried shrooms once, like a year and a half ago. Took an eighth. First hour or so, best day of my life. Next 3-4 hours, nightmarish existential crisis, barely tethered to reality. My whole intention was to "explore" my psyche, but it ended up veeery dark. That being said, I don't regret doing it, and would recommend trying it at least once, if you're already curious. Tapped into some very potent regions of my mind, stuff that's stuck with me since. Cannot stress this enough though: have some friends to watch you. I'm sure experienced psychedelics users can handle tripping alone, but I think the most important thing, especially for the first time, is having someone to watch your back. You never know what could happen.
Avagantamos 02.11.16	the first time I tried LSD I took a low dose, and it wasn't enough to get me tripping. I ended up just feeling really weird and couldn't really think right. 150mcg would be a good place to start with LSD imo
BigPleb 02.11.16	Yeah I've already got a friend I wanna trip with and he said he'd be more than happy to join me. We're very similar people, so I guess the closer you're to someone the more you can trust them.
zakalwe 02.11.16	Don't be so fucking naive. Stay clear plebster. I had a mate who got him self sectioned as a result of this shite, is he ok now? Yeah he's ok on the surface, family decent job and all that but he has fucked himself permanently. You want to enlighten yourself? Read, travel, meet people, live. Don't do it little bro.
BigPleb 02.11.16	I realise there are alternatives Zak, how am I being naive by simply questioning it and doing research?
BigPleb 02.11.16	That's a damn shame about your pal tho man. Also with regards to the whole 'sectioning' issue, yes psychedelics can bring about psychosis quicker and accelerate but even if it doesn't you're going to develop it at some point in your life if already have it.
zakalwe 02.11.16	Because the reality of this stuff is buried in a heap of bullshit and peoples personal 'mind altering experiences' Reality isn't contained in a YouTube vid. I remember being about 8yrs old out with me dad and he bumped into an old school friend in the street who was completely out of his gourd, terrifying back then. I asked my dad about it later and it turns out the fella was a hippy did a load of the shite and completley lost his mind. Syd Barrett dude.
Rowan5215 02.11.16	"Don't be so fucking naive." don't be so naive as to assume your experience is the only correct one zak
BigPleb 02.11.16	Doesn't stop the fact I find it interesting. There are a lot of things my anxiety has held me back from (this included), maybe that's a positive in this case. Doesn't stop the fact that it's frustrating as hell and makes general decision making a chore every day.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Just a discussion anyway Zak, know you're only looking out for me.
MrSirLordGentleman 02.11.16	I tried LSD last week for the first time, I was scared af at first since I've been struggling with a pretty serious depression, but since I was in a good ambient with close friends everything went fine It was certainly a beautiful experience and it led me to make many conclusions about lots of stuff, but I wouldn't call it "life changing" even though it might be because I took a small dose
zakalwe 02.11.16	Ello row. It's not my experience dude, like I said one of my best mates fucked himself on it, one of my dads mates fucked himself on it. When I went travelling I saw with my own eyes the damage done, it's all I needed to see. Now excuse me because all this talk puts a massive downer on my crack pipe lug.
Avagantamos 02.11.16	"Alcohol does you're right but I've never seen a man try and rip his own eyeballs out having had a few jars or decapitate a neighbour thinking she was 'a demon' after a session in the pub. Go into any mental health facility and see how many people wound up there due to 'weed psychosis'" -zak
Rowan5215 02.11.16	it's still your experience because your view is based on what you've seen and what other people have told you. Either way it's completely ignorant to pretend that's the only correct view
zakalwe 02.11.16	I take those opinions on board just as I take on board the experience of those who've had great times on it. One side massively outweighs the other though so it's enough 'evidence' for me. Don't mock Ava. You really don't have the first idea pal.
hal1ax 02.11.16	I've done acid and shrooms twice each. It was honestly not that big of a deal. People always used to talk it way up and make it seem like this life altering even that i had to get mentally prepared for. I never got visual or auditory hallucinations at all, the most that happened visually was sometimes colors and textures would kind of look like they were melting together. I almost had a 'bad trip' a few times but you can sort of mentally navigate yourself out of it if you can just regain your composure. Ultimately i think they were all pretty good experiences, just not really of the scope that most of my friends hyped it up to be. Anyway, my advice is, if you want to try them out, do so with people you feel comfortable around, in a serene setting where u are able to relax. And make sure you clear out your schedule for that day :D
braspberries 02.11.16	He does have a point though. Psychedelics seem to get unreasonably extolled, or treated nonchalantly, when they can still completely raze your sanity.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Alcohol is literally the worst tbh, only heightens depression the next morning and the beer gut thing sucks too.
Avagantamos 02.11.16	I guess I've just been really lucky in my experience. I've used copious amounts of psychedelics in a wide range of doses and combinations throughout severe depression and never had a bad trip. I'm not saying don't be cautious
hal1ax 02.11.16	psychedelics tend to amplify whatever emotions you are feeling. so when you are under their effect, you want to try to relax and stay positive. the people who have the bad trips are the ones who were already apprehensive or tense or scared prior to taking the drug, so they just dive into the experience already off on the wrong foot.
evilford 02.11.16	Only drugs I've done is weed a few times, eh
porcupinetheater 02.11.16	LSD is one of mankind's greatest inventions. Speaking as someone coming from a history of some pretty gnarly mental health issues, a good ol-fashioned acid trip is one of the few times I feel connected with the world, and at peace. It's an absolutely euphoric experience, never had a bad trip once, and I've been in quite a few different situations with it - on my own jamming music, walking around Millenium Park in Chicago, bustling house party, nighttime on the beach - it's always been magnificent. And like Avagantamos said, there've never been hallucinations, only distortions of things that are already there - i.e. staring at buildings in the skyline sees them start curling, things of that sort.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Yeah Hal dude I feel that, much like alcohol is you are in a bad frame of mind it'll only heighten that mood. Obviously LSD and alcohol aren't comparable, but the mood thing is kinda similar o guess.
zakalwe 02.11.16	Scouse LSD will be a trillion times stronger, Hendrix would've had a meltdown on half a tab.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Off the back of a wagon stuff mate, no one makes any money cos it's all stolen round ere.
Piglet 02.11.16	Zak actually makes a very good point. You can always roll a bad die and become psychotic. But usually when people fuck up with psychedelics and it's not immediate, it's sustained abuse and irresponsibility and that seems to be a hurdle you don't need to worry about Pleb. Emotional intelligence counts for a lot Essentially I agree though, you will have nominative experiences on psychedelics and they are valuable, but do not think for one second they are life-changing in any day-to-day sense. Doing actual things in real life is much more rewarding and much more worth your attention.
hal1ax 02.11.16	but ya i would recommend trying out a small first time dose if you are curious. tbh i prefer acid to shrooms. acid was a lot easier for me to function on. i could walk around and interact with people no problem. it just felt completely mental. shrooms, on the other hand, always would give me a super strong body high. i would find myself having to lie down for hours haha. i think it may come down to biology though, because i have friends who vastly prefer shrooms to acid.
Avagantamos 02.11.16	also shrooms are disgusting, you will want to eat them with orange juice (or something else acidic). LSD is easy to take. just stick the little square under your tongue and leave it. no taste.
Mystletainn 02.11.16	I've done shrooms a few times, I've had good and bad trips. The good trips me and a friend would have conversations about life and the universe for hoooours, another time we watched the south park musical movie, I don't think I've laughed harder in my entire life and the feeling of well being was like none I've ever felt before. The bad trips had me exploring very dark parts of my mind, experiencing very negative emotions that were amplified, guilt, sadness, made me wish I was dead, overall cool shit though.
BigPleb 02.11.16	I remember asking my friend about it all (the guy who did shrooms) and he said he'd never done LSD. Not because he didn't want to, he just said he didn't 'need' to at that moment. Doesn't sound like a drug that's addictive in any way tbh.
Mystletainn 02.11.16	I actually like the taste of shroomz... I must be weird.
Avagantamos 02.11.16	I'd describe it as kind of like bitter, soft tree bark. somehow both crunchy and chewey
hal1ax 02.11.16	it probs depends on which kind u get. I've had metallic blue ones that just tasted kind of earthy, and I've had brown ones that tasted like bitter asshole
BigPleb 02.11.16	Well I hate mushrooms in general but they obviously won't taste like normal ones haha. Heard you can make tea out of them or something? Can't beat a good brew.
Mystletainn 02.11.16	I had gold caps and I still liked how they taste
zakalwe 02.11.16	Now you're talking :D
RogueNine 02.11.16	I don't plan on ever doing anything of the sort but 3 is sweet.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Adrien Belew is my spirit animal.
Ashen 02.11.16	As others have said there are many variables that determine the qualities of your experience. Also as they have said, there is a risk involved. I did MDMA for the first time with two friends: one who also had not tried it and one who was an experienced user. I took 120mg and the veteran drug-doer took a good bit more; I don't remember what his exact dose was but it wasn't wholly unreasonable. The other noob and I had a wonderful trip, but the third guy went through a full on mental breakdown a few hours in. He awoke in the hospital with retrograde amnesia, which affected most of his memories from the past several years of his life. There were no other substances in his body besides weed (from hours beforehand) at the time. We are still unsure of exactly what happened, as the med staff did not provide a concise explanation. May have had something to do with the amphetamine component. This was over six months ago and he is slowly regaining his memory. Not at all a frequent occurrence or something you need to be overly concerned about, but it did happen. Wouldn't hurt to purchase a test kit if you plan on experimenting with MDMA so you know exactly what is going into your body. Cheers.
Mystletainn 02.11.16	I lost a friend to MDMA before, he was hospitalized too. I'm pretty sure he's still alive but he's just not the same person and he makes me uncomfortable so I don't want to be around him anymore.
TheSpaceMan 02.11.16	"Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..." -Alan Watts
TheSpaceMan 02.11.16	but fuck it I trip all the time
Oceandrowned 02.11.16	zakalwe is a big, stupid brat. Ignorant about the question, and that's can be easily seen. Dont blame the drugs, zak, blame the person who has done it and become "fucked". Oh and your statement about alcohol is completely bullshit - I live somewhere, where alcohol (esp vodka) consumed like its an apple juice. Results: thousand fatalities while DUI, lots of family members kill each other while completelt drunk, people pass out on balcony and haul their ass down to the floor by gravity from 20 story buildings. Don't bullshit here like it's a youtube - because of few of your junkie friends, who probably abused it. Being ignorant is easy, staying in comfort zone - a lot more easier.
Oneironaut 02.11.16	I'm not very experienced with many substances, but I regularly smoke herb. I've tried mushrooms twice, but dosed low on purpose (because I did research first before I committed to take them, just as you are so kudos.) I loved shrooms, and felt a crazy sense of euphoria, but I didn't have any visuals (probably because I dosed low). Dosing low didnt make me trip as hard, but since my times using shrooms were both positive trips, i'm keen to do them again, with a stronger dose. Just do your research, be safe, have fun and like what was said before - clear your schedule. My friends and I started our trip at 1130pm which was dumb because I couldn't sleep/sober up til 6am. not recommended!
zakalwe 02.11.16	Ok ocean you've got me, drink is the worst, all drugs are amazing and are the key to a more enlightened, peaceful existence. Live an anxiety ridden, paranoid, depressed, hectic, trapped lifestyle? Drugs will definitely help. They'll take the edge off and ease the day to day burden. They won't effect you, your family, your friends or your loved ones in the slightest and hey if they take exception to it fuck 'em cos it's your life and your're living it and who gives the first fuck about what anyone else thinks? Live, laugh, ride life and experiment because the mind can be controlled because you have the power. It's all so simple. Pleb I take back what I said, take a sheet of acid and laugh your tits off mate if it's a bad trip don't worry about it because you'll get over it eventually.
XingKing 02.11.16	I feel that mushrooms are like being visited by aliens who are very wise and all knowing. They teach you things you may not have ever known about yourself, and that includes all of the dark fucked up things, and they can also lead to you becoming a better person if you use this knowledge. You will realize your place in the universe and your most honest opinion of yourself. You're likely to be couch locked/stuck to the same spot because moving and functioning like a regular human being becomes very difficult and your thoughts race around at a million miles per hour and this is where you will likely remain; in your thoughts. Visuals and sensations can be very intense depending on your dosage. The walls will start breathing and the next thing you know, the world looks like a wet water color painting and your feet are being splashed by water (did you piss yourself or was it the fact that you just saw an ocean in the film you had playing?), half of your body is covered in goosebumps because it's freezing cold and the other half is sweating balls. Your emotions will be dictated by everything around you. If your hear scary music or are watching a movie with a hint of something frightening, hold on to your butt. Acid feels much more "digital" and "manufactured", if you will. Everything you see is very geometrical in shape and colors become extremely vivid and wild. Maybe the square on a door is suddenly a psychedelic colored pyramid or the music you have playing is giving you synesthesia. Your thoughts still jump around, but not at the frantic rate they do on shrooms, leaving you able to communicate with others around you and have deep conversations on your thoughts about the universe if you allow it.=. Imagine having the world's most powerful telescope and being able to see every single blade of grass and being able to comprehend how beautiful each piece is. Suddenly, the blanket you have wrapped around you is the greatest thing you've ever encountered and you can see every fiber of it's existence and you know that it will keep you safe. The most important thing is to remember that you are in fact on drugs and that time moves very slowly. If you forget and suddenly your trip turns bad, you could get stuck in a time loop of thinking you're going to wake up in the hospital and everyone you've ever loved is gone forever because you're brain dead. Seconds feel like minutes and minutes feel like hours, sometimes days.
Oneironaut 02.11.16	^ this dude tripping. You seem to be really caught up in other people's decisions, and your anger might discredit your valid points. Don't take drugs if you aren't mentally fit or stable - be it depression, anxiety or whatever may ail you. Don't take drugs if you can't do so in a responsible manner that won't negatively effect you, your loved ones or your other obligations (i.e. work etc) But don't be judgmental if Pleb wants to experiment in a safe way. He/she has done research prior to even asking advice on a forum...and you're not giving advice zakalwe, sorry mate. To me, what you're doing is breeding these negative thoughts and attaching them to the drug use he/she plans to use, and THAT's what will cause paranoia/anxiousness/bad trips. All because you're being vindictive because of terrible experiences you've had. I won't undermine your experiences and knowledge on the subject, but don't belittle BigPleb's choice/decision either. Educate others with your experiences, but don't antagonize people for their decisions.
zakalwe 02.11.16	I totally understand you dude but what people always choose to ignore is the negative consequences. I'm not judging, I'm making a personal observation based on experience just like everyone else is doing but I'm just on the otherside of the spectrum. Plebster chooses his own path, I'm letting him know about the downside that does exist with this shit. People belittling me as if I know nothing (ocean) by tagging stuff I've said like I'm just bandying this stuff around on a music site when I genuinely have been through it and seen people torn apart by this fucking shit. I love ya dudes, and all I can say is just be careful for fuck sake.
p4p 02.11.16	practice buddhism instead
Deez 02.11.16	'Don't take drugs if you aren't mentally fit or stable - be it depression, anxiety or whatever may ail you. Don't take drugs if you can't do so in a responsible manner that won't negatively effect you, your loved ones or your other obligations (i.e. work etc)' Word! Ive done an absolute ton of psychs. I still try and do DMT maybe twice a year for a good clear out/reset. Personally its done me nothing but good. A lot of the time makes you realise your part in the bigger picture and your worries are not really that big. I completely endorse Psychs. DMT is the most incredible experience you can have. People jump out of fucking planes and Bungee jump with risk attached. Psychs arent much different. Its an experience like no other. And you only live once right? Do it right with your head in a good place with good people preferably around nature somewhere. Your gonna have up and downs with it but thats the point they can make you find out about yourself. Anyone who fills themselves with tons of alchohol has got a fucking nerve telling anyone what to do and what not to do in regards to other drugs. But also Zaks right, As with ANY drug there are risks. Most people I hung around with dabbled in Psychs now and then and everyone is of sound mind now some might go in now and then some not at all but I have heard of people who have lost it but generally thats been them abusing the drug rather than using it. If you regularly take psychadelics you are gonna fuck up. It should be done rarely and a lot of time for reflection on what happened or maybe what you learnt. The odds of you doing it one time and ending up in a Mental ward is fear mongering Nonsense. BUT we have a real good guy who has ALWAYS gave us quality. Thats another big part. A lot of said problems come from people getting god knows what from some mug they dont know especially with MDMA and the likes. I personally think DMT is the safest as its all ready in your body so your body deals with it easily and breaks it down all though its also the most intense/otherwordly/frightening thing you can('t) imagine and probably not for noobs. Id start with Shrooms to be hoenst if you were gonna. Go on Erowid and read up first though if you choose too.
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	stop thinking about it and just drop 100ug LSD plebby its no big deal, you wont die, it isnt that overwhelming, you'll get to see what its all about BTW shrooms are much more of a mindfuck than LSD, LSD is more fun
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	"Syd Barrett dude." syd had a predisposition for schizophrenia and was taking godly amounts of lsd daily for a period of ~3 years not the same as someone sound of mind trying it the VAST majority of people will be okay this science major currently making near 100k a year for a real estate investment firm that still takes lsd pretty regularly and is more than sound of mind can vouch for it
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	"psychedelics tend to amplify whatever emotions you are feeling." yeah, so do it on a day you are feeling good and posi and you will 100% have a great time people that have bad trips are doing it under the wrong circumstances, simply don't want to do it so end up getting anxiety from trying to resist it, or are have issues they have been keeping buried deep down that get brought up in the later case, which would be most common, even though it might be a "bad trip", almost all of those people that go through that say it was in the end an absolutely positive experience because it was like going through a regime of therapy in one day given they ACTUALLY had to face their life issues, which they were either going to have to do at some point or continuing living their life of lies and depression everyone needs to go through a good ol existential crisis once in awhile (kidding, but not really)
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	"They won't effect you, your family, your friends or your loved ones in the slightest and hey if they take exception to it fuck 'em cos it's your life and your're living it and who gives the first fuck about what anyone else thinks?" unless you are a fucking irresponsible moron no they wont, and if you are a fucking irresonsible moron, the above was probably going to happen at some point anyway, drugs involved or not by the way, one is much more likely to alienate themselves, cause harm to themselves or others, or FOR SURE actually DIE from alcohol than taking psychs the harm comparison is not even FUCKING CLOSE
Deez 02.11.16	Yep
zakalwe 02.11.16	We've spoken about this one before. The initial direct psychological impact of drugs doesn't even come close to alcohol. Alcohol heightens emotional responses whether it be aggressiveness, sullenness and what have you whereas hallucinogens and other drugs have such a massive impact on cortisone and endorphin release the mental ramifications on a short term basis are....well...mental. Your perception of everything is distorted, your senses are heightened beyond belief and it can be absolutely fucking terrifying.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Through my experience of seeing my friends on MDMA/ecstasy it's been mostly positive. But like you say, there's always that one guy who is irresponsible. One of my friends ended up taking around 4 pills in one night and he nearly ended up on the hospital, having mini seizures towards the end of the night. Never been one for MDMA/ecstasy tho, especially ecstasy cos you literally could be buying anything.
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	@z first of all, grouping drugs under one umbrella couldnt be more useless second, the fact that one becomes more physically and emotionally inherbriated by alcohol is EXACTLY why it is more dangerous than lsd not to mention you can actually die from over-consumption, it is actually physically addictive, and you actually get hung over from it lsd has absolutely no impact on cortisone levels nor endorphin levels, it temporarily acts on serotonin, so stop trying to make shit up for the sake of supporting your own bias, you sound like a fucking 80s DARE commercial again, the only people that will be affected long term are those with predispositions
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	btw mdma is much more harmful on the mind and body than lsd, and it isnt really a psychedelic, when we talk psychs i assume we are speaking of lsd shrooms and dmt exclusively
BigPleb 02.11.16	Yeah we are man, just a few people were discussing MDMA in the thread earlier.
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	honestly doing lsd has not only made me curb my drinking tenfold, led me into a life of health and fitness (i look like a fucking bodybuilder now), but it makes me fucking laugh at the asinine oblivious illeducated masses who blindly keep drinking excessively because they either cant have fun without it or are hiding their emotions and are completely unhealthy meanwhile sit around and look down on people who have more healthy pastimes and actually confront their issues big plebs indeed (not you plebby i mean those types, which z is making a fine case for me grouping him into right now)
SCREAM! 02.11.16	"btw mdma is much more harmful on the mind and body than lsd, and it isnt really a psychedelic, when we talk psychs i assume we are speaking of lsd shrooms and dmt exclusively" no salvia?
BigPleb 02.11.16	From what I've heard salvia can induce real terror, tenfold that of LSD or shrooms. Mad how one is legal and the other isn't, eh?
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	salvia is a dissociative hallucinogen but i dont think its psychedelic no, it doesnt produce a mind expanding trip (this is only based on what ive read i havent done nor have an interest in doing salvia)
Deez 02.11.16	Agree with you 100% Chuck but salvia most definitely is a psychedelic. Salvinorin A in pure form is actually more potent that DMT believe it or not. Ive had MANY mind expanding trips with it (in extract form) relative to any other Psych minus DMT allthough the come up is very similair.
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	fair enough, havent done dmt either
wham49 02.11.16	I have never done phych's however you don't need to, to enjoy this list of music, however I do like Jimi plays Monterey slightly better than his peformance at woodstock
ciregno 02.11.16	I am an avid psychedelic advocate and user along with studying psychiatry at the moment. Before you go on about doing any psychedelics, the first thing I recommend is that you do some background checking with your families psychological disorders. The most important one to look into is does anyone in your direct family suffer from schizophrenia? Another would be dementia. If you discover that anyone directly related to your family that suffers from these such as your parents or grandparents or siblings, I'd highly suggest you stay away from all psychedelic drugs, and even cannabis if you partake in it. These drugs play a huge role as a catalyst to develop such psychotic disorders at a much earlier age. I'm not saying that doing these drugs will give you such disorders, but the chances greatly increase the odds of you developing them and doing so at an age much earlier than you may expect. In some rare cases, you may develop it shortly after a psychedelic experience if the dosage is high enough. Most people who develop such psychotic disorders, usually start seeing signs of schizophrenia/dementia in their 40s-50s for the most part. However, using psychedelics (if you have a family history of these symptoms) could make you develop them in your 30s or earlier. So please, DO YOUR RESEARCH. Now once you do this, and it's all clear with your family's check, please make sure you are doing it with people that you are comfortable with along with doing it in a safe environment that isn't so busy. For example, Times Square would be the worst place to trip in for your first trip. Some people may like to look at all the ads and hecticness of that area, but me personally, I prefer to be in the woods in a cabin somewhere away from the craziness that is the city or closer to home. It depends on what you want out of the experience. I also recommend that you not do it if there are others around who aren't going to participate in tripping. There's a sense of comfort you develop while tripping when you know that the entire party is in it together, a sort of bonding experience that you guys are all in it through the good and the bad and have that support system. Sometimes sobers can mess with you and it's just not cool.
ciregno 02.11.16	I highly recommend you stay away from MDMA (more of a stimulant than psychedelic), nBome tabs, salvia, and 2C-E. The only synthetic psychedelics you should indulge in is LSD and DMT. Along with those two, psilocybin mushrooms, mescaline/peyote, and ayahuasca are also highly recommended for a true psychedelic experience. One thing in regards to all these drugs is that you don't want to take too little for any of your doses. It just... doesn't make much sense now does it? Don't you want the full experience? It's annoying when you're on the borderline of tripping, but not quite there. Take a full dose if you're going to do it and make sure you're 120% comfortable with the people and environment before partaking. Have your whole day planned out, depending on the drug, it'll be a full day experience (LSD trips last way longer than Mushroom trips. DMT trips are 15-20 minutes.) Make sure you have some weed too if you need to kick start it or want to prolong it during your come down. Though I'd suggest not smoking at all for your first trip until the come down. Turn your phone off. Have a playlist ready or a stack of albums ready, some films, some instruments, art supplies, camera, whatever it is you like to do or be creative with, have that all set up prior to the trip. Have water ready, a garbage bin or toilet nearby (just in case you need to barf, it happens.), be comfy. Go on a hike or something, be in nature, go to a lake, sit on a tree, have a book if you like. Try to avoid driving but if you must (do it only when you feel comfortable and ready), do it in a very isolated location but do your best to avoid doing it at all costs. Biking is super fun while tripping, but still a bit risky. Music festivals and shows are also a fun place to do this at. Anyway, if you have any questions, here to help. I've done it all man and will gladly assist you. Just please be safe! PS. I absolutely love candy flipping (LSD + MDMA) but don't usually like taking MDMA on its own. If you're interested in doing that, I'll let you know how to time it. Also have done DMT during a candy flip and it was the best experience of my life.
Oneironaut 02.11.16	I'm gonna tap out of this discussion because a)I'm not experienced enough and b) everything has been covered by more knowledgable people. Be safe BigPleb, thanks for speaking your mind rationally zak, and I'll take away the negative consequences of taking certain drugs, as well as remembering to research each and every substance that goes into my body. peace errbody
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	he is making shit up, that =/= speaking rationally dude if you want rational talk, read ciregno's post with which i agree nearly completely by the way, although... "One thing in regards to all these drugs is that you don't want to take too little for any of your doses. It just... doesn't make much sense now does it? Don't you want the full experience? It's annoying when you're on the borderline of tripping, but not quite there." i disagree here a bit. there is absolutely a time and place for low doses. in fact, it's pretty much all i do anymore. look up the effects and benefits of microdosing.
Oneironaut 02.11.16	I guess I'm just trying to mediate, because I felt like I came at Zak too hard, and besides - I don't know his life story/experiences, so would never try and judge too harshly (which I sort of did). I agree guitarded_chuck that ciregno seems to be spitting truth, and gives off an experienced vibe. I see both points re: dosing conservatively vs going big to really experience the trip. For a first experience though, you could always try a little bit less than a standard trip because its not like you;ll never have another opportunity to score.
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	yeah i dont wana be too harsh on z either hes a good fucking guy but im going to call out false claims when i see them ya dig
ciregno 02.11.16	guitarded_chuck, I agree with your post, and know that microdosing is a thing. I'm talking in context of a FIRST trip, which I think, one should try first and foremost and if they do enjoy the experience, they can take it at any dose they want, big or small. There's always a time and place for it for sure. I just generally believe that having a good moderate to strong trip as a first time is essential in understanding how the drug itself works and whether it is for you or not. A mild first dose sometimes can just add confusion in that you're not quite sure what it is you're supposed to feel. A moderate dose, you know for damn sure what you're getting yourself into.
ciregno 02.11.16	Also just from my own personal experiences, psychedelics around my area, at least GOOD PURE stuff is stupid hard to find. People sell a lot of bunk in NYC sometimes, and I test all my stuff before indulging. If you have a connect that is consistently selling pure stuff, then yeah go at it at whichever dose you want. For someone like me who rarely has that much free time to begin with, I go big or go home. Microdosing just feels like a tease for me and I tend to always wish that I had taken more or had more to take.
zakalwe 02.11.16	See we are all cool, chuck just needs to understand that some horrific experiences are more common than people seem to make out. Proportionally more people are going to have a great time but even then some of the comedowns are fucking shit, enough to put you off for life. The folly of youth makes us do all sorts without giving a damn about the consequences because "nothing can be that bad right?" Believe me, they can.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Very informative ciregno dude, thanks a lot!
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	"I'm talking in context of a FIRST trip" ahhh okay my bad dude, i totally agree then. a solid but not overwhelming 100-150ug trip is what i'd recommend the first time. then you can go from there. word z agreed, i actually know a guy myself whos schizophrenic tendencies came out full force after abusing mushrooms, although it was clear to everyone after the fact that it was something that was already beginning for him
YetAnotherBrick 02.11.16	psychedelics are my favorite thing in this world right after people and art. i've had so many amazing experiences. just remember that they're heightening your senses, so you're noticing things that you'd normally take for granted, and thus, the slightest deviation from a comfortable environment can make or break the experience. make sure you're with people you like in a safe place and just let the good times roll. listening to music/watching movies/looking at any kind of art while tripping is the fucking bee's knees. your mind just transcends all the usual literal barriers and you just... see what the art's saying. it's right there. going to art galleries tripping is such a surreally perfect experience. but anything is when you're in that mindset, really. even when you're just talking to someone, the convo always seems to gravitate toward the bigger, more interesting subjects. and i guarantee you that if your set and setting are right, you will never be more comfortable with yourself than you are when you're tripping, and the goal is to take that with you into your everyday life. sorry for the ramble but yeah this shit is great and i love talking about it haha
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BigPleb 02.11.16	The guy and his brother who id trip with are the best. They are very spiritual people and share the same passion for music and art that I do. It also helps that they are anxiety sufferers like me and overcame their illness by having an amazing trip. Thanks brick, that's really encouraging!
MrSirLordGentleman 02.11.16	"They are very spiritual people and share the same passion for music and art that I do. It also helps that they are anxiety sufferers like me and overcame their illness by having an amazing trip." That's excellent. As I said, the atmosphere of the situation is the most important element. Being with trustworthy people that you know would take care of you if anything went wrong improves your confidence in a trip
YetAnotherBrick 02.11.16	no problem man, and yeah those guys sound perfect. don't really see how that could go wrong haha one more thing while i'm thinking about it, though: it really depends on the person, but while psychs are technically moving you further from your ego, there's still been times in my experience where i started feeling like i knew everything and, ironically, my ego started getting inflated. it was a stupid mistake, really. i was tripping pretty hard on 5.6 g of shrooms, driving around with my gf, and we ran into some old friends of ours on the street. we pulled over into the nearest parking lot and started talking to them, but i couldn't be bothered to acknowledge them for some reason. they weren't "on my level." their usual social tendencies they were displaying were just bugging the shit out of me for some reason. but looking back i regret the way i acted, because they were my friends and really, not every conversation has to be ABOUT something. some things just are. my point is, psychs should be revealing how much you DON'T know, that's the fun in taking them. and like i said, it depends largely on the user's personality, but i just thought i'd mention it. let go of your ego and feel everything for what it really is. that's when shit starts getting life-changing.
BigPleb 02.11.16	It also helps that they are experienced users too I guess. Although they said they've always had a weird half an hour every time they've tripped, they said the only thing to do is go with it. Also, they said mostly leaving people to go with it is far less dangerous than continuous questioning and reassurance. Dunno whether that's true or not haha.
YetAnotherBrick 02.11.16	^ yes, that last part is very true. and 99% of the time music will calm people down, if it's nice and chill haha
ciregno 02.11.16	You're welcome BigPleb! Have a grand and safe time! I think taking the right dose can definitely make one feel higher dimensional. You see shapes you'll never see, stars and constellations connecting in ways you've never seen before (and yeah you're tripping, but it unfilters your mind. You see things that you normally wouldn't be able to with the naked eye.) breathing walls, music in a spherical context of sound. It's wild. Guitarded_chuck, that f'n sucks that happened to your friend... A similar situation happened to one of my friends too, it's freakin sad man. His father was a schizo, and my friend before he started taking psychedelics, was already telling people close to him he was starting to see things that weren't real. Now I have no idea what happened to my friend, it's been ages. : YetAnotherBrick, that sounds awesome! Art galleries and museums are great places to be for trips. I remember tripping at the museum of natural history and staring at dinosaurs forever. It was awesome that Central Park was right across the street too. It's amazing how art can speak to you while you're tripping. It's like you see all the layers when you're looking at a piece.
dbizzles 02.11.16	Left a decent sized comment and sputnik effed up and didn't post or save it. I'd recommend taking a small amount of shrooms (maybe a half eighth) in a familiar place with friends and it will be a good time. I prefer acid because I feel like I have more control of my mood and where it goes. Neither ever helped me with my anxiety, but they did give me different perspectives on many things in life and I feel made me much more creative for a quite a time. I haven't done any psychedelics in 4 or 5 years, but I would like to again sometime.
ciregno 02.11.16	Also, forgot to add this. If you decide to go eat mushrooms (they're terrible tasting), one way to eat them without them messing with your stomach, is the blend them into a milkshake. I like to take about an eighth (or half an eighth depending on strength) and blend it with some milk and ice cream in a blender. It masks the taste, you don't get the nasty texture of mush rubbing against your throat, and milk takes a bit longer to digest so it won't hit you all at once like it would if you mixed it with something acidic (lemons, orange juice). Acidic substances convert the psylocibin to psilocin much quicker, which is something that your stomach is supposed convert for you, hence the "come up" of mushrooms, so if you mix in lemons with it (this is called the lemon-tek method), you're essentially skipping the come up aspect of the trip. But the come up is part of the fun, so I like to make a milk shake. Basically, heating up mushrooms (people like to make tea but that's tricky and if done wrong can actually make the mushrooms less potent) or mixing it with citric acid (like stated before, this will skip the come up phase of a trip and shorten the overall trip) is something you should avoid for your first mushroom trip. Making a milk shake won't alter the chemicals within the mushrooms since it's cold and not too acidic, and will mask the taste really well.
brainmelter 02.11.16	ive done mushrooms a couple times. it can be really amazing or devastatingly scarring. and in between too you might go to depths you didnt know existed, after the fact you might feel its better to not have ever gone to those places. yeah ^ half an eighth is good for a first trip. just imagine your mind and emotions as a faucet. when on mushrooms they are turned on full blast,
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	by the way plebby check out the youtube channel: psyched substance, its great super informative and better than neurosoup imo
Deez 02.11.16	well said YetAnotherBrick. Set and Setting is EVERYTHING Pleb. Get the right people and right environment and you are starting of the best you can. I got a question for some of you guys that have took DMT. I think most will agree its the most intenese experience. A lot of friends of mine havent done any psychs (well not that many actually but a few) And really wanna do DMT. The common thinking seems to be to have some kind of experience with psychs before hand but for me , i dont know, I dont think ANYTHING can prepare you for the DMT flash to be honest so im not so sure.
hal1ax 02.11.16	Didn't know so many ppl on this site tripped. :D
BigPleb 02.11.16	From what I've researched DMT is very short but ridiculously intense experience. Is that the Canadian dude chuck? He's pretty damn cool and informative ye.
tacos n stuff 02.11.16	ive been told dmt makes you meet "machine elf" aliens that make you understand the universe And that the above description is actually quite common. Weird shit
Nocturnalize 02.11.16	I recommend trying shrooms and lsd at once or twice but only if your mental state is stable. Ive fucked myself from doing way to much but I can live with it, just don't get carried away mate. I learned that shit the hard way
Deez 02.11.16	Pretty much. You see the impossible. You dont understand Impossible until youve seen it. Once I put my friends band on in teh background and the elves where saying 'Ohhhhhhhhh you think your safe because your friends are there in the back ground? Ok show them what colour this is' Then they flashed this bright vivid colour. I only realised when I got back I couldnt explaining it. Because we dont have a word for it. Thats what it was telling me. Stop trying to put everything into your words. It doesnt work here.
guitarded_chuck 02.11.16	is he canadian? i didn't even know that but i am too so neat-o "Ive fucked myself from doing way to much" how so (just curious)
dbizzles 02.11.16	So, I'll go ahead and skip the DMT then....
Deez 02.11.16	lol dont do that
tacos n stuff 02.11.16	I guess i'll throw in my personal experience like a few others here Diagnosed with clinical panic disorder 3 years ago and had to quit weed for a while cause it started panic symptoms. I admittidly made an irresponsible decison and decided to try lsd cause I was told it was completely different. The trip was a wonderful and relaxing experience for the first 4 or so hours but became quite tiresome for the rest of the trip. I admit though that if I had not had music and another close friend (also tripping) with me I may have had a bad trip. Listening to the right music was very important but was one of the greatest experiences Ive ever had in my life. Since the trip i've been able to control my panic symptoms a bit better and dont get them from weed anymore. Overall: very strange but awesome experience, cured some panic symptoms, would try again (with caution)
Nocturnalize 02.11.16	"Ive fucked myself from doing way to much" "how so (just curious)" I have HPPD because of it mate
dbizzles 02.11.16	Sorry if I missed this, pleb. But, do you smoke weed?
Deez 02.11.16	Noc Did you get HPPD straight after a trip?
zakalwe 02.11.16	Someone throws an acronym in the mix and there's concern. I tell you of personal traumas and best mates on the precipice and get ridiculed. Fuck you tween brat arseholes!!!
Deez 02.11.16	Take some drugs. Heal yourself
ciregno 02.11.16	DMT... I like to call it psychedelic cocaine. Anyway, what is DMT like? It depends on the user obviously. For example, some people don't get hallucinations on ANY psychedelics sometimes. Some people obviously, get more hallucinations. A private study of mine has found (this was conducted among my peers and friends who do psychedelics) that people who have a more vegetarian based diet tend to hallucinate a lot more than people who are more meat based. Is there a reasoning behind this? I have no clue, but I tend to think that it's due with eating plants and the obvious nutritious values of eating more fruits and vegetables. If you have a balanced diet of both, you'll have your visuals. The people I know who eat very very unhealthily tend to trip but don't see as many colors or patterns, and it's more of a different thought process for their trips. Once I tested this out myself, and ate a heavy vegetarian based diet for a month before tripping and had the most VISUAL trip I've ever had in my life. Next time I tripped, I ate very poorly, fast food based and more meat and potatoes, and didn't experience visuals as much. Both times I had about two hits of solid acid, about 125ug each hit.
Deez 02.11.16	Been interested in HPPD for a while as its linked to something ive had for a long time (before any drugs)
Deez 02.11.16	I eat like shit and talk to aliens every time i hit DMT as long as its smoked right. Only time I dont is if i dont vape properly/burn it or domt get enough down. All though I understand how that would make sense Ciregno as they do plant based diets as im sure you know before you do Ayauhasca. Ayahuasca when eating clean compared to when I wasnt so much was night and day but many other factors can come into play to (strength of the brew etc)
ciregno 02.11.16	Now onto DMT, and I can only speak about this from personal experience. It is both beautiful and frightening, but also the most accepting psychedelic experience I've had in such a short span of time. It's something that Could be done more than once at any given time, but due to the shortage of it in my area, I do about 1-3 times per session. It's not addictive to do, you basically do it, and take in as much info that you can process at once. The whole experience feels like it's much longer than 15-20 minutes. It can feel like anywhere between 10 minutes to many hours depending on how much of it you inhale. I used a vapegenie to burn it. You really shouldn't burn it, and should vape it on some herb. Sprinkle a good amount on top, and it tastes Very bad. It's obvious it's a chemical, and isn't pleasant. A lot of people cough immediately once they vape it and then complain that it didn't do anything. You've gotta inhale it, then take an even deeper breathe, and then HOLD it in your lungs for AS LONG AS YOU CAN. I cannot stress that enough. The longer you hold it in the wilder the trip will be. As you hold it in deep in your lungs, you'll start to feel something being released in the back of your head. You tend to forget that you're even holding your breathe, as the more it's being held, the more DMT gets released. You start to phase into a dream like setting. Colors start to become more vibrant, walls breathe, sound becomes more layered, your surroundings start to spread, you start to "see through" things, this ALL occurs OPEN-eyed. Now if you close your eyes, forget about it, you're going to be going places. I've experienced shapes and patterns forming in all sorts of directions, being able to see my entire life from afar in the shape of a timeline right in front of my eyes. You guys have seen the ending of Interstellar right? You know, where he's in the tesseract? That's kinda what it feels like I'm seeing shape wise. Though the timeline of my life looks like a straight line, but with imagery and photographs of my life going throughout the line.
ciregno 02.11.16	I've also had experience in which I felt like I was at the end of space, the very border of what seemed to be the end of it. I felt like I had accessed a part of my subconscious that I was never able to reach in a normal frame of mind. I saw myself, speaking to me, but in a totally different form. It was me, but it was... different. I looked the same, but an inverted form. I could pick and choose what part of my life I wanted to see and remember exactly what I felt like at that very moment in my life. I had seen all of the flaws of myself that had existed and still exist. All the relationships and faces that I had formed and walked across like pages in a book. But it was in a form of a line of my life. This felt like Hours, but was a mere 10 minutes in real time. When I started to come down, I saw the "other" me disappear slowly, and the time line zooming closer to the end of the line (which I suppose represents present). This is all closed eye btw. Open eye is a totally different experience. I'd recommend closing your eyes towards the peak and keeping them open on the come up. Once you come down, things start to look less vibrant and things sorta normalize themselves again and you're just... back to reality. Or what is presented to us as a 3 dimensional reality. It can change your whole perception of life in how it is presented to us. I realized how much more there is to this universe, but how limited humans are in regards to what we can achieve with our five senses. If anything, it made me realize the limitations of 3 dimensional living. There is so much more to it than what we see.
ciregno 02.11.16	deezer yes yes, those rituals they do tell you do eat a clean diet and to not have sex also. Honestly man, with DMT, you can see aliens and shit if you smoke enough of it. I'm talking in terms of like a moderate dosage of LSD and shrooms. Though I'm sure if you eat A LOT of them, you can certainly see all sorts of wacky shit. If you eat a normal dose though, and have a steady clean diet, you'll most certainly visualize more on your trip.
BigPleb 02.11.16	Yeah bizzles I do, quite regularly smoke weed actually. Damn cireg, that shit sounds mental haha!
tacos n stuff 02.11.16	that was very interesting read ciregno for my own curiosity, does music have any effect on the dmt trip? Bc it was quite something on lsd, especially ambient music
BeyondCosby 02.11.16	From what I've heard it's best when you are somewhere you're comfortable and ONLY with people you're comfortable with. They need to be a group that vibes well because, if there's any negativity or if it's somewhere you're uncomfortable that might actually trigger your anxiety. Maybe have someone who has taken a trip be completely sober and be your guide to walk you through the high. I'm not gonna pretend to know what it's like but all the people I've talked to and all the documentaries on safe drug use have mentioned those two things as important to the trip.
ciregno 02.11.16	Seriously pleb, words cannot explain or express that feelings or visuals one can witness during a trip. You realize how limited human language is.
Deez 02.11.16	Ciregno sorry man I thought you were saying too eat clean before DMT to get visuals. Ive travelled the world extensively , ive lived in third world countries with no money, Had a contract on my head all kinds of crazy shit but NOTHING comes close to the DMT flash. I am obsessed with DMT yet i only take it maybe 3 times a year. I disrespected it once and got my ass handed too me. By obsessed I mean by its role in living things and Biochemically in us. The fact that its basically 2 simple enzymes away from tryptophan which is essential in all life fascinates me. Also I kinda got annoyed with the constant "OH DMT IS MADE IN YOUR PINEAL GLAND' spouted like its fact when its not. Strassman himself said he wish hed made that more clear. But then they go and find DMT in the pineal of rats. Its an incredible molecule.
tacos n stuff 02.11.16	I was told that taking dmt "ruins death" but all the experiences ive read about seem to point to the opposite. Kind of confusing
ciregno 02.11.16	tacos, I remember listening to Kindred by Burial during my DMT trip. It only enhanced the experience honestly. Beyond all the crazy things you're seeing, you can feel and hear all the different layers of sound within the music. I heard all sorts of stuff within that song that I never heard before. For example, it felt like that song was recorded in the middle of a rainy night on a very busy city street in Manhattan or something. There were all these layers of voices I didn't hear prior. There's obviously a girl singing, but then there's deeper voices and shit going on that it sounded like there were actually people socializing underneath all those dense layers.
AnimalsAsSummit 02.11.16	Dmt is the strangest of all psychedelics imo. Like entering a completely crazed machine civilization They are extremely beneficial to personal growth and help with the creative process overall. But they must be handled with great care.
ciregno 02.11.16	And also, the music sounded spherical. It sounded like it was going on all around me as opposed to only the left and right channels.
tacos n stuff 02.11.16	Thats what i thought. The whole "seeing sounds" kind of thing i mean
Deez 02.11.16	When I did ayahusca in Peru (which contains DMT of course but is very different) We had 2 shamen. A male and female they would sing the same song but a male and female version in their language (shipibo) When the female came to sing to me her head turned into the head of an elephant (as real as im typing on this comp right now) and the male turned into a jaguar. As she sang a claw came from her into my stomach and the high pitched notes pushed all this blackness, oil out through my veins and the end of my fingers. It dripped onto the floor. I saw it as negative shit. Diet,Emotions whatever. It went on for a while tehn she kissed my head and as I fell to the floor My body dissapeared and I had a flash that I turned into thousand of seeds that fell through the cracks of teh floor and into the grass and started to grow. And I grew with the Amazon. I was part/One with the whole amazon. Amazing
ciregno 02.11.16	deezer, yes, Lol at the pineal gland comment. That's hilarious. It is a VERY strong drug, and should totally be done with care. An ayahuasca trip is essentially a super fu*king long DMT trip basically.
tacos n stuff 02.11.16	Ive been quite interested in trying dmt but have zero idea where to get it
AnimalsAsSummit 02.11.16	@tacos no one really knows what death is of course, and even after having powerful experiences myself w deem, I can't relate to that notion. It did however feel like a return to a strangely familiar place; the oddest deja vu I've ever had
ciregno 02.11.16	Sounds like an intense yet beautiful time deez. Thanks for sharing!
zakalwe 02.11.16	Holy shipobo!!!!
Deez 02.11.16	It really was, And that was just 1 night of 5!
dbizzles 02.11.16	'Yeah bizzles I do, quite regularly smoke weed actually.' Best advice I can give is to have some handy for the come down. One of my favorite parts of a trip is getting stoned on the come down, makes the transition seem much more smooth.
Nocturnalize 02.11.16	"Noc Did you e HPPD straight after a trip?" No at first I was facing stronger and stronger flashbacks then they stopped and it happened a few months after when I thought I was fine
Deez 02.11.16	damn man, Ive read alot about HPPD as I have Visual snow syndrome and a lot of symptoms are similar. Would be naive to think its 100% not because of drugs but there was 7 months where I didnt touch anything, No flashbacks etc. VS is more Hyper metabolsim in the brain but both seem to get thrown in a lot together.
Royl123 02.12.16	Hey guys, is salvia legal in California?
dbizzles 02.12.16	I didn't know it was illegal anywhere? I'm in Utah, not sure about Cali.
BigPleb 02.12.16	It's legal over here in the UK.
DominionMM1 02.12.16	there have been studies to show that lsd and psilocybin help with anxiety, depression, and substance abuse. they also help with headaches. list is shit btw
BigPleb 02.12.16	Dom, my man.
DominionMM1 02.12.16	wordup plebby. did a paper for a psych class on this way back when.
BigPleb 02.12.16	Great topic, very interesting at the very least!
Hawks 02.12.16	I feel the same way Pleb. I've always wanted to try shrooms and/or acid, but I'm terrified that I might have a really bad trip haha. Idk if molly counts as a psychedelic, but I've done it a few times and it was awesome. Not something I would ever do on a regular basis though. The ganja is the way to go for me.
guitarded_chuck 02.12.16	i've only had hppd symptoms from mdma use, but they go away after a month of three of not using it i don't like mdma anymore though, a few hours of fun is not worth feeling drained for days, it just does not suit my active lifestyle anymore i really only do lsd anymore really, i hardly drink, dont smoke weed, dont do mdma, none of it, its all unhealthy for various reasons (edible marijuana is okay in moderation and im sure ill indulge a bit once its legal in canada)
Deez 02.12.16	I do Ecstasy once a month maybe, We have a really god source of ridiculously strong and clean pills where you can get by with just one for the whole night and the comedown is easy because its clean, No ups and down, Just up all night. But once a month sis enough, maybe DMT a few times a year and acid if it comes around and thats it. Cant stand boze. A little bit at shows maybe. Only smoke weed when im on something else!
guitarded_chuck 02.12.16	meh, never mattered how clean it was i always felt drained afterwards, ecstasy pills arent 100% pure by definition anyway, pure mdma is off-white crystals takes your brain a little bit to regenerate those chemicals and id rather just stay balanced than overload for a few hours i do sort of miss it though, nothing really compares
Oceandrowned 02.12.16	Hawks just dont do much(150 ug is enough), and you will be fine. And dont listen to black metal on your first trip, it would be too much for a first time.
Deez 02.12.16	oh for sure you are still pretty hammered the day after, But lots of weed and music/movies and I treat it like the 2nd day on them. Usually the 4th day I get a bit of an 'urrrrggghhhh' day but generally the cleaner the pills the easier the comedown for me. But I dont make any plans for the day after thats for sure.
trve 02.12.16	only life changing things happened to me in lucid dreams without any substances, stuff that came close wasnt any traditional psychedelic neither, dissociatives and one very high dose of weed (got like no tolerance at all so that made me lose contact to my limbs almost entirely) were way more interesting and insightful imo
guitarded_chuck 02.12.16	my first couple of lsd trips were definitely insightful, first one i spent a lot of time sort of breaking down this barrier in my mind about people around the world being anything other than human beings, hard to explain, just a new feeling of oneness on a level i hadnt felt before the 2nd one though put me through a bit of an existential crisis and it was hard and sort of scary but ultimately great and set me on a good path i still follow today, basically i realized i need to live a life based on love and helping people and loving my family as opposed to sort of living a selfish daily life day in and day out like a robot they aren't as insightful anymore mostly just fun but it still opens my eyes up to new things, new music or other things, hard to explain, it unlocks the beauty that was there all along and you just didn't notice, basically i have to say though the mushroom trips i had about 3 years ago were not only profound but to this day i absolutely believe they just about cured me of my depressive tendencies that go back to childhood
Deez 02.12.16	Had many a life changer on near enough al psychs I know some Shamens in the Amazon say you should do one for a mental reset every couple of months. Definitely shaped the way I think. Weed to can be hella psychedelic I dont touch it much. Once had been 2 years and I smoked a bong and I tripped balls hard. Also edible weed IS psychadelic. Its a totally different experience. Only been lucky enough too have 2 lucid dreams.
MrSirLordGentleman 02.12.16	Since I'm new to psychedelics too, I'd like to ask, how long should a person wait between trips? Wether it is LSD or mushrooms. Days, a couple of weeks, a couple o months? Etc etc
Deez 02.12.16	everyones different, there is no 'should' You wont want to do it every week. Its a big asking. Also you need at least 2 days spare but as someone allready said he you want to be taking enough to have the full experience. And if you do that youll be processing it for a while anyway so could be weeks/months. Once you start abusing rather than using youre in trouble with any drug but especially psychs you dont want to be taking them every week. But there isnt really any 'safe zone' in how long you should wait.
guitarded_chuck 02.12.16	the saying goes - "when in doubt, wait it out" that means different things to different people. for some it will mean never doing it at all.
Oceandrowned 02.13.16	Had a psychedelic experience almost once per week, and always some new stuff to listen, was like this for a 6 month, i had to stop because it was too much of experience, and i listened too much random music to really appreciate anything. Now i try to analyze what i really listened to, and most of the time its kinda hard to recover that true "influenced" experience. But atleast i took my time and researched evertyhing possible about proper stereo systems. Oh boy those sellers surely will remember me coming to their shops under some lcd and jamming converge on 10k$ speakers :D
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.13.16	everything you post makes you sound unforgivably stupid
chemicalmarriage 02.13.16	lol at all the "psychonauts" here, and oceandrowned man you are special
TheSpaceMan 02.13.16	"when we talk psychs i assume we are speaking of lsd shrooms and dmt exclusively" why? psychedelics are a massive category of drugs, those are barely the tip of the iceberg. weed, mescaline, MDMA, 2ce and 25-i NBOME are all really common expamples, more so then DMT in my experience
Oceandrowned 02.14.16	my good advice is stay out of nbomes, mescaline, any kind of synthetic weed, and devils weed. You dont want to find yourself naked at your neighborhood balcony.
Nocturnalize 02.14.16	"my good advice is stay out of nbomes, mescaline, any kind of synthetic weed, and devils weed. You dont want to find yourself naked at your neighborhood balcony." Dude stfu you sound like a seth rogan movie Also lol this list is so poser its like I'm in 6th grade again wondering what pot is like haha
METALFACE666 02.14.16	jam floyd bro, good luck with your brain
guitarded_chuck 02.14.16	mdma isnt psychedelic is an empathogen IMO
Deez 02.14.16	Yeha I dont rate it as a Psychedelic allthough ive tripped balls many times off strong mdma and weed.
MrSirLordGentleman 02.14.16	"Also lol this list is so poser its like I'm in 6th grade again wondering what pot is like haha" "Ugh, I'm such an expert in drugs, I was doing Krokodil when you kids were starting with alcohol, you are so mainstream, you disgust me. UGH"
zakalwe 02.14.16	Kids dude, kids. It seems only adults do heroin nowadays which is a shame. Shit is amazing, makes music really good.
someguest 02.14.16	Nothing like shooting up and laying your head on the tracks as a train barrels down the rail.
Deez 02.14.16	I did it by accident once. Bought some coke in asia turned out to be china white.Was my kinda leaving party too, Just sat there sweating in between throwing up until it settled down. Was in a bar that played the WORST music too, was basically going under while they played black eyed peas really loud.
MrSirLordGentleman 02.14.16	There are arguments to defend psychedelic drugs since they do not produce physical damage nor addiction, they can only damage you mentally and only if you're not mentally stable or you abuse of them But I can't find an argument to defend hard drugs like coke
Conmaniac 02.14.16	weird. just took LSD for the first time yesterday. I would suggest trying to clear your mind before taking it. try not to do it while you have any obligations or anything that could possible make you worried. also, be prepared for a 12 hour trip...yes it will last around that long. its pretty intense too so just be ready. im glad i did it but i also regret not waiting and actually trying to get something out of it. i could explain exactly what it was like for me if youre curious. all i can really say is that its like having ADD and sensory overload added with that "trippy" pattern you see a lot in psychedelic videos.
Deez 02.14.16	You dont need to defend it tho MR , Its a nasty drug I never really felt 'high' of it. Always felt 'fast' haha if you know what I mean. I have done dirty drugs I dont need to defend them or my taking them in the same way you can defend psychs and weed. All though that coke in S america was good fun. Id never recommend anyone doing any shit like that.
Deez 02.14.16	SET AND SETTING con it is everything with psychs
someguest 02.14.16	It would have been great to be alive in the 80s.
jtswope 02.14.16	I just had a weird experience last night. The time distortion thing is always what freaks me out. 1 minute would feel like 10 hours.
Conmaniac 02.14.16	yeah i agree. like its hard to explain but sometimes you just need to leave a certain place if you arent vibing with it. It wasnt until the peak that i started doing a lot of self reflection and it was really a beautiful thing. its also very hard to explain yourself while on LSD. its like you want to explain everything that is happening to you or like every social interaction you have. i regret doing it just to get high but i wouldnt be opposed to doing it again if im fully mentally prepared.
Deez 02.14.16	thats because time doesnt exist....clocks exist
someguest 02.14.16	Time exists only as a measurement for the rate of change.
jtswope 02.14.16	Yeah yeah yeah it's all in your mind I know… just saying perception wise it's always strange.
MrSirLordGentleman 02.14.16	#deep
Deez 02.14.16	'sometimes you just need to leave a certain place if you arent vibing with it' Totally man, We used to do it in the forrest. If wed stop anywhere too long things would kind come down heavy, if we kept walking all night it was like walking through wonderland!
someguest 02.14.16	There's a reason Alice kept moving.
Deez 02.14.16	Someguest Knows
MrSirLordGentleman 02.14.16	I walked with some friend through the woods during the night, we didn't use flashlights or anything like that, yet, I don't know how, we never stumbled or anything like that. It was pretty curious how we could walk without any problem through the dark
Conmaniac 02.14.16	i believe it. you are very very aware of your surroundings. every sense is heightened
MrSirLordGentleman 02.14.16	Yeah we were guided by the sounds of our steps
Deez 02.14.16	Yeah we went onto the golf course once and I through a golf ball about 60 feet into the whole despite having mathematical equations for arms.
Avagantamos 02.14.16	"Since I'm new to psychedelics too, I'd like to ask, how long should a person wait between trips? Wether it is LSD or mushrooms. Days, a couple of weeks, a couple o months? Etc etc" I'd say at least two weeks between doing the same substance due to tolerance. if you do acid one day, you would need 2x the amount the next day to get the same effect, decreasing a little each day for about 2 weeks when tolerance returns to base level. I use 2 weeks as a rule of thumb for all psychs, but every substance is different of course. doing more when you have tolerance is just a waste imo
MrSirLordGentleman 02.14.16	I wasn't really asking beacuse of that but the eventual mental health issues like HPPD