Gwyn.
12.19.15 | WTF GUYS HAN SOLO IS DEATH THIS IS BULLSHIT WTF |
SwanSoup
12.19.15 | HAN SOLO? MORE LIKE HAN SO-LONG |
Clumseee
12.19.15 | sucked duh. retread of new hope, kylo ren and the new big bad are both incredibly uninteresting. had some cute humour which was nice i guess. im sleeping now. |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | Your gf was cheating on you when she said it's not you it's me |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | Nah, movie was prettyyy good |
tempest--
12.19.15 | i knew han was going to die idk i could feel it
i want to know more about kylo and luke's history and what happened between RotJ and TFA and the Knights of Ren and all that good stuff |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | I'm pretty confident that all the unanswered questions will be answered eventually cuz it's a planned trilogy and so faulting the movie for reserving it's secrets to the rest of the movies is pretty unfair
Now I wonder if Luke will also die |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | I knew Han was going to die months ago, it made the most sense, but still that moment leading up to it was heartbreaking to watch, It was the right move to kill him off, but still shit sucked to watch man.
If anything it will probably be the end of the 9th that Luke dies |
tempest--
12.19.15 | honestly i found the humour a little too much. i was expecting more fanservice/callback stuff but hoping for less.
this did feel very similar to the OT and i'm hoping ep 8 and 9 will be more innovative |
wwf
12.19.15 | Anyone else feel that the inclusion of the original cast felt really off? Like, the new people pretty much entirely killed it and Gleeson did a pretty awesome Hitler rant but the only ones who were still passable from the old cast were Ford and the guy who plays Chewie tbh. Even C3PO and R2D2 were kind of annoying in their little bit of screen time but I guess they were annoying in all the other movies too.
I thought all the scenes between Han Solo and Leia felt really off. I didn't get any of the chemistry that I got from the older movies and they made the movie seem really trite which is annoying because the small part that they had was really integral to the main villain.
Really overall the only other thing that I didn't like about the movie was that it didn't really make me feel anything. There were no big laughs, no big 'oh fuck' moments. Even though the pacing was brisk and really good overall and I was never bored throughout the movie, I kind of felt underwhelmed, which is odd because before I saw the movie I was kind of convinced that I didn't care too much how good it would be. |
wwf
12.19.15 | Han Solo never should've lived to be old tbh.
Also I really hope Rey's force powers become too powerful to control and we get some sweet scenes in the next movie where she practically loses it because she's clearly vastly gifted |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | I'm totally fine with it feeling a lot like the original trilogy because again this is only part 1 so I'm sure it's done as a way to respect the films and act as a passing of the torch of sorts, the new movies will have a more defined identity of their own
plus it was a fucking nostalgic blast of a film and I'm a bitch for that so Idec |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | Idk what people like about this. i fxcking love star wars but this movie was average at best |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | Nothings happening? No emotional attachments being made? ya lets just kill han solo then |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | There were a lot of small details that bugged me tho (like for example how tf did Rey knew she could mind control? she wasn't even shown any Jedi powers at all, I guess maybe she had a vision of it like when she touched the light saber that should've been shown) but nothing that put me off
I don't think there's any point where a film has left me in denial for this long after watching it |
BigPleb
12.19.15 | Han's death was done perfectly.
Ren has the making of a great villain, love the human element in his character.
Also this was way above average and probably in the top 3 SW. |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | Hans death done so perfectly no one saw it coming so perfect here take my lightsaber dad. |
wwf
12.19.15 | 'I'm totally fine with it feeling a lot like the original trilogy because again this is only part 1 so I'm sure it's done as a way to respect the films and act as a passing of the torch of sorts, the new movies will have a more defined identity of their own'
I really agree with this actually, but even though for the most part it got the feel of the originals bang-on, I just thought that it was extremely ironic that the most off-putting part of that feel was some of the stuff that was actually directly from the original.
Also I have to say that the thing I probably enjoyed most about the movie is that it actually really feels like a living, breathing world for the first time in over thirty years. That short scene near the beginning where Rey sits down next to a AT-AT that's buried in the sand and puts on an old rebel helmet for like no reason put the biggest smile on my face |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | Ben solo so powerful cant beat people who have never wielded lightsabres before |
impoppy
12.19.15 | Definitely better than Episode 1-3, so there's that. And yeah a lot of people are pissed that Kylo Ren isn't some 100% evil stereotype which makes him less intimidating. Which is fucking stupid. He's clearly really powerful, but his heart isn't totally in it which is interesting, not lame. |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | Supreme leader snoke weed |
Apollo
12.19.15 | It was incredible. I saw A New Hope when I was 5 years old, it's been 24 years and this just made me happy and feel fulfilled. It wasn't perfect, but who f*cking cares. It was truly amazing. |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | Ep 3 is miles better than this movie but smae
Kylo ren CLEARLY really powerful |
BigPleb
12.19.15 | Apollo knows, movie is flawed but damn it's entertaining as fuck. |
wwf
12.19.15 | 'Ben solo so powerful cant beat people who have never wielded lightsabres before'
The movie's aware of that in its own logic though, clearly; Snoke makes fun of Kylo Ren for being bested by a girl that just found out she can use the force earlier in the movie. That's why I hope that Rey's powers are shown to be extremely powerful and she actually flirts with the dark side in a big way in the next two movies. |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | Kylo Ren being kind of a little bitch was good actually it means he's way below the hot shit he claims to be cuz nobody built up Ren as this big legendary bad ass who is truly evil and unstoppable other than himself |
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | Ahhhhhh I loved it. Any complaints I have rest around how uncomfortably close it is in its parallel to episode 4 (it's literally a scene by scene thing) and some
Of the shots in certain scenes killed the mood (cutting to everyone screaming when and died, those shots should've come after Han dropped).
Other than that I loved how great the new actors performances were (the New Order speech was amazing), how awesome the final battle was (no disgusting overstuffed dance coeography, just awesome power/environment blending) and I als loved all the callbacks to previous films not being so overwhelming.
Just so good. I can't wait for episode8! |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | Who's a bigger cry baby ep 2 anakin or kylo ren? |
Apollo
12.19.15 | Word up Pleb. It was great fun. Abrams is good at what he does.
I'll admit Han being killed like that....its still bothering me haha. |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | He was bested by the force which is fine but the fact rey made ren look like ep 6 vader vs luke is lame |
wwf
12.19.15 | 'Who's a bigger cry baby ep 2 anakin or kylo ren?'
are you for real
kylo ren's got emotional problems man but really be honest with yourself, TFA is a masterpiece compared to the prequels
search your feelings, you know it to be true |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | I thought the old characters were organically introduced personally, and I feel like Kylo was what Anakin was supposed to be in the prequels, but made him more of a bitch.... Kylo is still kind of a bitch, but in a better written way |
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | "Yeah let's just kill Han solo then"
I thought that scene was one of the best in the series. It's much like an opposite of the vader/Ben fight in episode 4. Instead of Ben knowing it was his time and having a final confrontation for old times sake, it was Han letting his emotions overpower him and his confrontation leading to his death.
Not to mention how shocking it was when Kylo stabbed him. The build up, suspense, and Kylo's words really made a large impact even though it was obvious he was going to off Han. Maybe it was in the way he thanked Han for getting
Killed so he could drop any emotional baggage to become more like vader.
Anyways, trying to say there was no emotional attatchment and it was forced is silly. |
BigPleb
12.19.15 | I loved the way they handled Han tbh, I feel like Kylo had to kill him as that pretty much cemented his commitment to the dark side. |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | Im surprised how many complain about Han's death, I thought it was perfectly handled tbh |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | Best in the series agreed |
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | Also in response to that person who asked about how Rey knew about the mind tricks.
I think it was meant to be similar as to how Like Just knew to use the force to guide his shot into the Death Star. I think she was prompted by some unknown force through her developing powers. I dunno. |
tempest--
12.19.15 | Rey could beat Kylo because she had been using her stick for years she was competent with a weapon like that AND Kylo was injured |
tempest--
12.19.15 | also Kylo is reallly strong with the force obv but he probably never really faced anyone with his saber that actually put up a challege |
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | Also id imagine kylo would be in some turmoil after murdering his dad. And he was shot by chewie... And cut by Finn... |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | I just found out that Harrison Ford signed a contract for 3 Star Wars movies and the Han Solo anthology thingy isn't one of them
alrighty then apparently he's not dead |
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | Or he's a force ghost. Spooooooky. |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | I really honestly thought he was in the Millennium falcon when Chewie pulled up to rescue Rey
|
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | Maybe he just signed it so his death wouldn't get spoiled?
|
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | That's probably it. Imagine the turmoil the internet would be in if people found out he was ony on contract for one film. |
FourthDyke
12.19.15 | The whole movie was fake |
wwf
12.19.15 | when people die in star wars they stay dead tbh
this isn't supernatural |
wwf
12.19.15 | the only person who's not on contract for multiple films is actually adam driver iirc which is funny because he'll definitely be in the next one |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | That's kind of weird, maybe they're thinking of killing him off in the next one
|
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | I wonder what happened to silver storm trooper lady.
Did she get out of the trash compactor or is she dead or what? |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | rule #1 of all movies and tvs where lots of people die and it looks like a main character died until you see the corpse their fate is uncertain
He could've landed on a vent like luke did in ESB and he survived the wound due to not being penetrated in a vital spot plus the heat of the light cauterizing the wound, weirder things have happened in the original movies but who knows
"Maybe he just signed it so his death wouldn't get spoiled?"
That's possible too actually but it seems almost too well planned out for it to be true, could be tho idk |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | Shes's confirmed for the next movie, thankfully. I was really irritated of how little they used such a cool looking character, She was boba Fetted so fast
His death looked pretty final to me, maybe it is a force ghost thing, which wouldn't make too much sense, because he can't use the force |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | The biggest waste of talent in the movie thought was getting the guys from the Raid then having them do pretty much nothing except run and get eaten by the weird CG monsters |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | yea that was really weird, there's a lot of odd cameos that you couldn't even really notice at all for no apparent reason, probably just actors being like hey I wanna be here too!
did you know that Daniel Craig was the stormtrooper that Rey mind controlled? wtf who would ever notice that, seems like a thing done entirely for the actor's sakes which is okay I guess but still |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | yeahhh, never would have gotten that, same with simon pegg as an alien somewhere in there. Problem with the Raid guys is that they set up that entire scene, and were kinda billed to be a little more than just a cameo, it's a minor complaint, but it still bugged me that they didn't do a kickass action scene |
tempest--
12.19.15 | i was rly happy when I saw Greg Grunberg ngl |
romulanrancor
12.19.15 | v emotional film D: |
BaseballJames
12.19.15 | Definitely my favorite in the whole series now. |
InfamousGrouse
12.19.15 | Hope Finn isn't dead tbh, Boyega did a great job |
tempest--
12.19.15 | course he won't be dead |
Jekub
12.19.15 | I loved the movie, but it wasn't very good |
anarchistfish
12.19.15 | Anyone who thinks kylo is a boring character or that the film didn't have emotional connections must be having a laugh.
"I thought all the scenes between Han Solo and Leia felt really off. I didn't get any of the chemistry that I got from the older movies "
Well yeah they broke up |
impoppy
12.19.15 | Yeah Finn isn't dead, he was pretty clearly breathing, plus when they rescued him someone said "he's got a heartbeat" and Rey said they'd meet again but had to leave to meet Luke. Definitely didn't seem to be treated as dead.
Also Rey was good with a lightsaber for two reasons. 1. If you pay attention she thrusts it more than swings it, like she has done with her staff since she was a young girl. 2. The Force plays a role in saber combat, and it was made pretty apparent that she was actually more naturally powerful than Kylo when it came to the Force.
Also it was a bullshit deus ex machina plot device, but the Force pretty much always has been throughout the franchise. Nothing new there. |
Friday13th
12.19.15 | Okay, Sputnik's resident Vader here. It's better than the prequels, but not better than the trilogy. I was surprised at how many parallels there are between it and A New Hope. The droid w. the rebel plans, crash landing in the desert, blast out with the Millennium Falcon, rescue the girl, old man is killed...*cries*...they destroy the space station. Of course, there are still many unanswered questions, which is part of why it's clearly more exciting than the prequels. I guess my biggest disappointments were Han dying (though I saw it coming), the villains other than Kylo being lame, and Luke doesn't say a word. The new protagonists are great though; I am really happy with that. |
Friday13th
12.19.15 | I was surprised when Rey kicked Kylo's ass. He was wounded by the same crossbow you saw explode a couple of stormtroopers earlier, though. Rey is amazing, I just can't wait to have it confirmed if she's Luke's daughter or not. |
Balerion
12.19.15 | I hope Kylo just goes full on Sith next episode, starts shocking people and shit |
Gameofmetal
12.19.15 | pretty happy they killed han, it was well done and they needed something really surprising and daring in the plot. really impressed with adam driver as kylo ren. having seen him in his other roles, like girls for instance, i figured they'd leave him masked the whole movie. was pleasantly surprised when they didn't and how well it worked out |
Gameofmetal
12.19.15 | lol why would you think finn is gonna die. we'd already know if there was even a chance, that would be the lamest way to go out. he's obviously gonna live |
Intothepit
12.19.15 | Flawed, but fucking epic. Abrams achieved what he set out to do and then some. |
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | people thought that finn was going to die?
really?
reallllly? |
AlexKzillion
12.19.15 | Anakin's/Luke's original lightsaber being recovered from Cloud City somehow is straight bullshit tbh. The ground splitting between Kylo Ren and Rey at the end of the movie was pretty dumb too. I mean they were sitting three feet from each other, and the ground just happens to split in between them perfectly. Even the prequels didn't have that crap. |
Gameofmetal
12.19.15 | come on man, it's dramatic effect. that's just kinda overly nitpicky about the ground splitting |
AlexKzillion
12.19.15 | That's the only part in the movie where I was just like "really?". It just seemed like a lousy way to end such a great fight. |
LotusFlower
12.19.15 | i agree it was anti-climatic, at least in Revenge of the Sith it ended with Obi Wan abandoning Anikan's burning body. |
AlexKzillion
12.19.15 | "That last bit is precisely why I didn't find it very believable, unfortunately. She was inches from a fissure or cliff face while crossing swords with a Sith having been trounced until that point, but the second she closed her eyes I was like "yup, here we go". Sure enough, Ren suddenly has the footing of a toddler with Talipes and gets his ass kicked."
I don't think Kylo Ren is as strong with the force as everyone thought he was going to be. The fact that Rey kicked his ass at the end of the movie kind of proves this, and Snoke even says that he needs to complete Kylo Ren's training. He's probably the weakest Sith we've seen in an actual movie. |
wwf
12.19.15 | Ren can apparently stop blasters mid-air
Which reminds me though, he was clearly very distraught at the end of the movie because he was fucking up constantly. A little bit deus ex machina, a little bit clever writing. It can be both. |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | Like I mentioned Kylo ISN'T actually that strong, actually kind of a bitch and no one other than Kylo himself built himself as some unstoppable baddie (Sure the guards and stuff were afraid of him but he was destroying whole rooms and force chocking ppl who tf wouldnt' get be afraid of that) and him not actually being that way gives potential for his character in the next few movies to be more interesting cuz therell be more conflict between choosing to continue what darth vader was doing or return to his family, like is he gonna forsake everything and "Complete" his training or was leia right and they can still bring 'em back?
I'm thinking either he'll definitely join the dark side next round and maybe Snoke will die with him becoming the ultimate baddie or he'll return to the light to help in the third one |
Minushuman24
12.19.15 | He was injured, his training was never complete, and the fact that he's never really had to face anyone with a lighsaber. Rey fought with her staff, so at least she knew how to fight, and she was force adept |
Friday13th
12.19.15 | ^ we don't know how many battles Kylo has been in yet...I kinda assume he dueled Luke or some cool backstory like that I dunno. |
impoppy
12.19.15 | I mean the first time she ever used the force she turned his mind reading around on him. She's clearly just exceptional. But yeah Kylo could just be shit, but still held in a high position in the New Order simply because shitty sith/jedi is still way better than the best normal human/creature in the group. Being related to Vader though definitely leads me to think he's at least SUPPOSED to be considered strong. Or have the potential to be at least. |
AlexKzillion
12.19.15 | He probably did duel Luke when he decided to turn to the darkside. Luke probably was training Kylo the way Yoda trained Luke though, saberless, so it makes sense. |
Devastator
12.19.15 | "It's the ship that made the kessell run in 14 parsecs!"
"TWELVE!!!" |
TheSonomaDude
12.19.15 | Harrison Ford said Han would die back in 2014. Not sure why people were so shocked to see what he said actually come true. |
Gameofmetal
12.19.15 | "Harrison Ford said Han would die back in 2014. Not sure why people were so shocked to see what he said actually come true."
i don't remember that. people probably thought he was fooling, i mean it's kinda unbelievable. |
Devastator
12.19.15 | Harrison Ford came back only because they agreed to kill Han. If they didn't then then he wouldn't have come back and they would have had to kill Han off screen in the time skip. |
TheSonomaDude
12.19.15 | ^this. He publicly agreed he only signed on because Han dies. |
Gwyn.
12.19.15 | That actually just convinces me even more than Han is still alive because there's 0 way he said that to not fuck with people
We didn't even know what the story of the trilogy would be in 2014 and he's gonna spoil a mayor character death? The people behind the movie would've been pretty mad but if he is actually alive then he's just playing along |
Devastator
12.19.15 | Really hoping that Finn actually is force sensitive and becomes a Jedi too. |
TheSonomaDude
12.19.15 | Well, he DID sign a three film contract, though I figured he would just be doing voice overs, flashbacks, maybe a force hologram scene like what Obi-Wan did in Episode 6. |
Gameofmetal
12.19.15 | "Really hoping that Finn actually is force sensitive and becomes a Jedi too."
plz no, not everyone and their mother is, can or should be a fucking jedi. we need normies |
Devastator
12.19.15 | Regardless, I really like Finn as a character. |
Gameofmetal
12.19.15 | yeah i do too, but he's still a character without being a jedi. i like there being someone that can get shit done without the force, especially with han gone |
Friday13th
12.19.15 | Poe is also kinda of a Han. That's when I realized Han was a goner, seeing that the new guys were basically gonna replace him. |
Mesm277
12.19.15 | It's a good film, looks good visually too. The plot is weak though, it seems like more of a homage to a New Hope instead of its own thing. Rey is an interesting character and so is Ren. I just hope they don't turn out to be brother/sister but if they were i'm sure Leia would have said something. Killing off Han was needed and I've always had the feeling Ford wasn't that big on being in the franchise anyway.
Not sure how this is maintaining an 8.9 avg on IMdB though. It's a strong 7/weak 8 |
TheSonomaDude
12.19.15 | According to my uncle, The Phantom Menace had just as much hype as this and the fan reception was pretty similar. Most fans, apparently, were in disbelief that the supposed "masterpiece" was actually mediocre/shit, and even big critics did their best to defend the movie. For a while, TPM's had a general reception of being a really good movie. He said it wasnt until the next year or so when fans finally began universally admitting the film to be complete garbage. It took a while for the hype to die down. Not sure how true that is but it makes sense. |
AlexKzillion
12.19.15 | Hopefully Rey can just be her own character and not be sandwiched into the Skywalker family tree somehow just because. I really hope this isn't the case but she probably is Luke's daughter. |
Friday13th
12.19.15 | The plot is the weakest part of it. Ironic since the plot was the saving grace of say Attack of the Clones. It's like they corrected all the mistakes of the prequels but skimmed too close to A New Hope in the process. |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | I'd love if snoke turned out to be darth plagueis |
TheSonomaDude
12.20.15 | Should be Jar Jar |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | no one actually believes that do they |
TheSonomaDude
12.20.15 | Darth Plagueis looks stupid. His head looks like a giant potato with a big Squidward nose, plus he had a really nasally voice. It's really hard for me to take him seriously unless they changed his design for the movie, which they probably did. |
Gameofmetal
12.20.15 | darth plagueis is long dead tho
i dont think rey is related to luke, i mean he's trying to be a jedi master and all and that entails no romantic relationships |
SharkTooth
12.20.15 | I liked the movie, but honestly i was hoping for a bit more plot-wise than
"oh no new death star"
With that being said I have to agree that Episode 3 was way better |
zaruyache
12.20.15 | "and that entails no romantic relationships"
in the original extended universe he and Leia both had like a dozen kids between them so I don't see why Luke would have to swear off the ladies in this universe. Kinda makes sense that he wouldn't have time for a Mara Jade equivalent given he wasn't training Jedi for long before he went into exile.
Just saw the film and thought it was p gud. I liked that it followed New Hope in a lot of ways, but also took pieces from Empire and Jedi, which I hope implies that the next two films won't just be rehashes of those storylines but will move away and tell their own stories. I really want Kylo Ren's development to work opposite of Vader's where he'll become more corrupt and believable as the bad guy (instead of angsty Anakin Jr) as time goes on, instead of slowly moving toward redemption like Vader did. |
tempest--
12.20.15 | There's not much that's more powerful to a galactic army than a planet destroyer though it sort of just a case of the OG Death Star being too good that nothing can really beat it metaphor for the original trilogy hmmm |
zaruyache
12.20.15 | "Darth Plagueis... plus he had a really nasally voice."
NASALLY? His voice is a fantastic menacing growl I mean c'mon. |
TheSonomaDude
12.20.15 | Where have you been hearing his voice? |
zaruyache
12.20.15 | i assumed you were talking about Snoke being Plagueis because there's never been a Plagueis voice actor to my knowledge. |
TheSonomaDude
12.20.15 | No he's in The Force Awakens and Star Wars Galaxies and he has this annoying spongebob voice. |
Insurrection
12.20.15 | "I'd love if snoke turned out to be darth plagueis"
pretty sure he will. plagueis was the only sith who knew the ability to make people immortal. he's also called "darth plagueis the wise" and someone (i think hux) said "supreme leader is wise", and they played the same music during snoke's scene as they did when palpatine was telling anakin the story
i really hope he is because the evil big bad puppeteer called snoke is lame as hell. might as well call him snooki |
zaruyache
12.20.15 | "No he's in The Force Awakens "
where
"and Star Wars Galaxies"
can't find vid
"snoke is lame as hell"
better than plague-is! :3 tho that name does sound cool but spelled out it's about as lame as Venamis and Havok |
romulanrancor
12.20.15 | "I'd love if snoke turned out to be darth plagueis"
So you're implying that he could also save himself from death? |
Rowan5215
12.20.15 | Renn was a fuckin shit villain tbh I laughed out loud when he took his helmet off
The rest of it was good tho Finn and Rey were great leads, better than Luke and Leia ever were |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.20.15 | movie was fantastic, people hating on it are honestly bitch-made as fuck and can shoot themselves in the face and die that is all |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.20.15 | to be fair about Adam Driver tho (kylo ren), when i first saw that actor i despised him because he is literally one of the ugliest human beings to ever walk the face of the earth but i had already gotten past that and learned to love him through the show Girls so i was already used to his asshole of a face. if i had just been introduced to him in Star Wars i would have probably felt the same way as rowan but i have already grown to love the actor from things outside this movie and gotten over how he is the ugliest mother fucker to ever see the light of day |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.20.15 | movie will definitely be the hot topic edge-lord thing to obligatorily hate on for douche-leet credz until batman v superman comes out tho for sure |
Rowan5215
12.20.15 | It's not just his pimply ass face its also just him bwinf |
Rowan5215
12.20.15 | It's not just his pimply ass face its also just him being a angsty pussy bitch with no interesting qualities |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.20.15 | nah he was great but tbh he doesnt have pimples also he just has really awful and unfortunate moles but i mean rowbro u literally just turned 19 lets not pretend u arent pizza-faced as fuck |
Rowan5215
12.20.15 | Man I got some pimples for sure but I'm a beauty compared to that little shit |
tempest--
12.20.15 | i mean you look about 30 so |
Gyromania
12.20.15 | kylo ren suffers from over-exposure without his mask on. it's not his fault either - i think all masked heroes/villains lose that mystery and (in ren's case) that intimidation factor once the mask is gone.
i loved him as a character, though i was hoping he'd be far more than just an apprentice |
Rowan5215
12.20.15 | Tru that Lloyd I'm a man's man
Tbh he just should have kept the mask on |
Gyromania
12.20.15 | yeah ren looks, sounds, and acts like a badass when he has the mask on, but when he takes it off something change. i can't place it |
tempest--
12.20.15 | it was definitely his voice for me, without the mask it suddenly became much less menacing |
DamnVanne
12.20.15 | The best thing I took from the movie was this line, 'I didn't know there was this much green in the whole galaxy!' |
Gyromania
12.20.15 | agreed, the voice was a big part of his character. he just seemed so dangerous and in control behind that mask |
theBoneyKing
12.20.15 | I think Ren is supposed to seem kind of lame once he takes his mask off. As others have said, he is the one who has built himself up as a badass, and the mask/voice is a large part of that image, and it works as a superficial way to conceal his weaknesses. When he takes the mask off, we see him as the little birch he really is. He had the potential to be a really great character if they flesh out his struggles between light and dark.
I really enjoyed the movie overall, with some healthy criticisms re: the similarities to IV and the failure to flesh out the history of the galaxy since Jedi. I understand that they want to leave stuff mysterious so they can gradually reveal it during the next couple movies but I felt they could have revealed more. Like, how much of the galaxy did the Republic control compared to the First Order, are they at constant war with one another, how did the Repbulic and the Resistance end up being separate entities, etc. Obviously the Republic's government no longer exists so these questions may be irrelevant. |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | "and they played the same music during snoke's scene as they did when palpatine was telling anakin the story"
yeah I mean come on that's gotta be more than a coincidence
"So you're implying that he could also save himself from death?"
you saying it's impossible sidious was lying/wrong? wouldn't surprise me if plagueis hided the fact he could keep himself from being immortal from his apprentice
"kylo ren suffers from over-exposure without his mask on. it's not his fault either - i think all masked heroes/villains lose that mystery and (in ren's case) that intimidation factor once the mask is gone. "
I kinda liked it. from the trailers and the beginning of the film you think he's just gonna be a boring all powerful being like vader but then the cracks in his personality start showing through very quickly so you actually see how unstable he is. basically what boneyking said.
"movie was fantastic, people hating on it are honestly bitch-made as fuck and can shoot themselves in the face and die that is all"
thank you
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YetAnotherBrick
12.20.15 | idk if anyone has said this sentiment yet, but for what it's worth: i love that there's still scenes of Ren with his mask on after we've already seen his face. it's like, here he is trying to be all evil again, but the audience has already seen his true self and it's all we're picturing now even tho you still have your mask on haha.
i thought the movie was perfect. people complain about it constantly recalling A New Hope, but i think that was kind of the point. the same events are happening with different characters- it's a society that still isn't heeding the lessons of history |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | "I really enjoyed the movie overall, with some healthy criticisms re: the similarities to IV and the failure to flesh out the history of the galaxy since Jedi. I understand that they want to leave stuff mysterious so they can gradually reveal it during the next couple movies but I felt they could have revealed more. Like, how much of the galaxy did the Republic control compared to the First Order, are they at constant war with one another, how did the Repbulic and the Resistance end up being separate entities, etc. Obviously the Republic's government no longer exists so these questions may be irrelevant."
i had the same questions when I saw it. I think what's meant to have happened (after doing some research) is that the empire didn't totally fall with the destruction of the death star (which makes sense) and continued to fight the rebels until they were finally defeated in the battle of jakku (which is why they put a fat crashed star destroyer in the film there). the rebels became the new republic but they didn't regain control of all parts of the galaxy, which the first order (which I think is inspired by but different to the empire) control. republic and first order have an official truce but republic secretly supports the "resistance".
or something like that |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | *you saying it's impossible sidious was lying/wrong? wouldn't surprise me if plagueis hided the fact he could keep himself from dying from his apprentice
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anarchistfish
12.20.15 | we haven't even seen snoke in person yet. he could be a force ghost or something for all we know and plagueis would surely be able to do something like that |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | can I say I'm also relieved that disney wiped the expanded universe off the canon cos that stuff was a mess |
romulanrancor
12.20.15 | "kylo ren suffers from over-exposure without his mask on. it's not his fault either - i think all masked heroes/villains lose that mystery and (in ren's case) that intimidation factor once the mask is gone."
I dont know, I think the fact that he took his mask of just like that adds to his unpredictability. e.g. him killing solo, going ape shit whenever he got mad etc... |
theBoneyKing
12.20.15 | The Expanded Universe has a lot of great stuff but it went to shit after a while. There were elements of it that I would definitely not mind seeing resurface in the new canon, but by and large it is good that it's gone. |
Insurrection
12.20.15 | the only EU stuff i miss is the KOTOR stories but that can easily be made into a spinoff/different trilogy some time in the future
hopefully |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | agreed romulan. another way i can forgive this for being so ANH inspired is that it almost functions as a remake. people are already starting to say ANH is looking a bit dated so with the visuals this film has it might end up being the one to watch in 20-30 years time |
SharkTooth
12.20.15 | He was far less intimidating without the mask tho |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | I hope they remake KOTOR tbh. sounds like the kind of game I'd love but I don't think I could handle those graphics |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | "He was far less intimidating without the mask tho"
that's the point though. he's not meant to be darth vader mk.2. everyone was saying before the film's release they were worried cos kylo ren looked like just a darth vader wannabe in the trailers and you never get to see his face so there isn't that depth. then the film subverts that and makes that the whole point of his character. revealing his face so early just shows the audiences how weak he actually is.
saying that if they follow the OT template I definitely expect VIII to be darker and kylo stronger. they'll probably kill off someone like poe or finn too |
RunOfTheMill
12.20.15 | "He was far less intimidating without the mask tho"
That's the point of his character. He acts like he's all there, as if he's Vader 2.0, but he's really just an insecure kid who gets into fits when things don't go his way. He's not the perfect bad guy and he's not supposed to be. |
RunOfTheMill
12.20.15 | oh wow Anarchistfish literally said the exact same thing I had to say lol, but our point stands.
Kylo Ren was one of my favourite characters of the movie, although I pretty much liked all of them. Great movie. |
Insurrection
12.20.15 | i feel like kylo is going to have the opposite development as Vader. his weakness to the light side and instability were already shown. now especially under snoke he will probably give in completely to the dark. so the whole mask thing makes sense |
anarchistfish
12.20.15 | kylo ren might be my favourite star wars villain yet. with his unstable emotions he feels more sith than any of the sith did and he's better acted than anakin too |
romulanrancor
12.20.15 | "He acts like he's all there, as if he's Vader 2.0, but he's really just an insecure kid who gets into fits when things don't go his way. He's not the perfect bad guy and he's not supposed to be."
Agreed hard, I think in episode VIII he's going to be much more intimidating, after his training ofc |
DamnVanne
12.20.15 | Before he took the mask off I thought he sounds a lot like Javier Bardem and that would have been awesome |
TheSonomaDude
12.20.15 | Javier Bardem would make a killer sith lord tbh |
zaruyache
12.20.15 | i feel like kylo is going to have the opposite development as Vader. [3]
If he can pull off real gritty acting instead of that angsty junk he did (well), then Kylo could be a really cool anti-Vader. And you know we're going to get some cool Kylo/Ren sabre fights when they're both trained :D |
TheSonomaDude
12.20.15 | I want Bruce Campbell in a Star Wars film. No reason, just fucking do it |
romulanrancor
12.20.15 | yeah, when kylo and rey meet again
shit is gonna go down |
YetAnotherBrick
12.21.15 | "we haven't even seen snoke in person yet."
woah, i thought snoke was the baby-faced giant that kylo reports to? |
Ignimbrite
12.21.15 | Kylo Ren was basically Anakin done correctly |
JWT155
12.21.15 | Agreed. People are complaining about Adam Driver's performance but their complaints sound more or less they have disdain for his character. He's supposed to be immature, quick to anger, even angsty. Similar to Joffrey in Game of Thrones, you're supposed to be put off by his character. |
Insurrection
12.21.15 | "woah, i thought snoke was the baby-faced giant that kylo reports to?"
that was a hologram |
Ovrot
12.21.15 | I hope Snoke is actually a giant
Imagine how much shit a 30 foot tall sith lord would wreck
like damn that's an intimidating dark master |
JWT155
12.21.15 | I'd put money that Snoke is going to be Yoda's size. |
Ovrot
12.21.15 | that would be lame
it's like when the wizard in the tower is actually a gnome illusionist or some halfling fuck
it just isn't cool |
YetAnotherBrick
12.21.15 | "that was a hologram"
derp now i remember. thanks haha |
JWT155
12.21.15 | Still think it's gonna happen, Snoke is going to be the evil version of Yoda. |
Clumseee
12.21.15 | This movie r ya kitten me |
Satellite
12.21.15 | rey is definitely luke's daughter. that's why r2 booted back up when she arrived at the rebel base. |
Insurrection
12.21.15 | "Still think it's gonna happen, Snoke is going to be the evil version of Yoda."
that would be the biggest blue balls ever. it's about time we had a galactus-level villain in a sci-fi movie and snoke looks to be the closest thing we'll get
and about rey, in the trailers luke's voiceover was like "the force runs in my family. my father had it, my sister has it, i have it, and you have it too." i can only assume he said that cause she is part of his family |
Satellite
12.21.15 | also i loved how the prequels were totally disregarded. i think the only slight allusion to them was the word "sith" being used once. eat shit george. |
Insurrection
12.21.15 | "now THIS is podracing!" |
Satellite
12.21.15 | i don't like sand |
Ignimbrite
12.21.15 | I think Serkis said at some point that Snoke is supposed to be about 7 feet tall irl
and yeah Rey is totally Luke's daughter fucking confirmed
also I kind of hope that Rey and Finn have a Han and Leia romance thing going forward because the actors have fantastic chemistry and their googly-eyed/flirty dynamic was painfully adorable |
Space Jester
12.21.15 | Makes sense in canon to not mention the prequels anyway, since almost all of the characters who were around for them have died. They wouldn't have any impact on the events of the movie. |
Ignimbrite
12.21.15 | also also besides Kylo Ren being a super well-written and complex villain, he had some awesome dialogue, and Adam Driver completely killed it.
"I'm being torn apart. I want to be free of this pain, and I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it. Will you help me?"
"Forgive me. I feel it again... The pull to the light."
like, Star Wars has always been about being tempted by the dark side, and it's really interesting to see the opposite happen. similarly, it's really cool how Kylo Ren's arc mirrored that of Luke's in RotJ: while Luke was a light-sider who was tempted by the dark side but chose to reject it and *save* his father's life, Ben is a dark-sider who was tempted by the light side but chose to reject it and *kill* his father. |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | "and about rey, in the trailers luke's voiceover"
that was from Return of the Jedi where Luke says it to Leia, so I don't think it should necessarily be interpreted as applying to Rey. |
Ignimbrite
12.21.15 | ALSO I loved when Ben/Kylo first runs into Finn in the forest before the duel(s) start, and he yells, "TRAITOR!" at Finn. Besides the fucking incredible delivery by Adam Driver, it's also a really layered scene: for one thing, it's more than just Ben being upset at a traitor for deserting, but him recognizing the agency of a person he chose to more-or-less dismiss during the Jakku massacre at the beginning of the movie.
More than that, though, him being so angry at Finn is, I think, RenBen projecting his angsty bullshit onto Finn. Kylo Ren was given the choice between the light and the dark, and he chose the dark when he killed his father. He thought he made the right choice: hell, he may have even thought that he didn't even *have* another choice. Finn, on the other hand, was presented the choice between light and dark at the beginning of the movie, and he had the strength to choose the light and refused to kill the villagers. Ben sees, in Finn's actions, that his choosing the dark side may have not been unavoidable after all, and the implications for it are bleak. |
theNateman
12.21.15 | My only real problem with the movie is that I feel like han's death should have been given more reverence, and we shouldn't have even seen Luke at all. I feel like we should have gotten a funeral scene for Han , and then the movie ends with Artoo, Rey, and chewer leaving in search of Luke, and then find Luke at the beginning of VIII
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kris.
12.21.15 | nah the ending was perfect
also the lightsaber duel between kylo and finn/rey was honestly the best thing involving a lightsaber the series has ever done. |
LotusFlower
12.21.15 | It's up there for best lightsaber battle for sure (I still think Luke pummeling Vader in Episode 6 was awesome and so was the cinematography in the Vader/Luke battle in episode 5). I liked that there was actual use of the environment during the battle like trees getting chopped down or sabers bouncing off the rocks and stuff. Not to mention that it seemed like they were actually fighting and werent just dancing and prancing around like they do in episodes 1-3. |
theNateman
12.21.15 | Yeah the lightsaber fight was freaking dope. Easily equal to episode 5 and 6. Also, nobody's mentioned it yet, but I love how real the lightsaber blades looked. Even the legacy blade pulsed with energy, in constant motion. I hate that absolutely plastic look the sabers had in the prequels. |
LotusFlower
12.21.15 | Oh yeah, lightsabers looked amazing. Best part was when Kylo went apeshit on Hux after he told him that Finn and Rey escaped with BB and he drives the saber at his throat. The blade effects were so amazing that I could honestly believe that it was a real thing. |
alienobserver
12.21.15 | saw this last night. i thought it was really solid u know like it didn't blow my mind or anything but it was still a good movie, i'd def see it again. thought it was a lot of fun. i didn't really have a lot of problems with it other than finn being the sole stormtrooper to find something wrong with what he was doing if they'd all received the same brainwashing |
alienobserver
12.21.15 | but all the lightsaber scenes were sick af and i loved poe him and finn had so much chemistry im looking forward to some more bromance in the next one |
Insurrection
12.21.15 | "that was from Return of the Jedi where Luke says it to Leia, so I don't think it should necessarily be interpreted as applying to Rey."
but luke only has one sister |
theBoneyKing
12.21.15 | Honestly the more I think about the movie the more I love it. Definitely will be seeing again. |
betray
12.21.15 | yo how about when kylo ren is going ape shit and those two troopers noped the fuck outta there |
kris.
12.21.15 | there was a lot of great humor in this like with rey force persuading that one stormtrooper |
JWT155
12.21.15 | By that one Storm Trooper you mean Daniel Craig. |
Satellite
12.21.15 | @betray that was great. also when rey mind tricks the trooper played by daniel craig. film had the perfect amount of humor and levity. thankfully nobody steps in poop or says "yippee." |
theBoneyKing
12.21.15 | When the two Stormtroopers came up on Ren having a tantrum in the torture room and turned around. |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | "but luke only has one sister"
and he was being dramatic by unveiling it to Leia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmhwnW5tFiM |
Satellite
12.21.15 | but my favorite part is this exchange in the beginning when finn helps poe escape...
(paraphrasing)
p: why are you doing this?
f: because it's the right thing to do
p: you don't know how to fly, do you?
f: i don't know how to fly |
kris.
12.21.15 | what did you guys think of the bb-8 lighter thumbs up |
betray
12.21.15 | "you need a pilot, don't you"
"...I need a pilot!" |
betray
12.21.15 | one humor that ticked me off tho was that Finn said he worked sanitation for the base to Han
but that was clearly not the case as at the beginning he was on a kill squad for the jakku village |
Satellite
12.21.15 | i think that was his first deployment, hence the shellshock. the other troopers were used to that shit. |
Satellite
12.21.15 | gwendoline christie was perfect as captain phasma. never thought she'd be so perfect at sounding evil. looking forward to seeing more of her in ep 8. |
kris.
12.21.15 | if she got off starkiller base before it blowed up that is
i hope she did because she was super underutilized |
theBoneyKing
12.21.15 | Was anybody else kind of annoyed that they pronounced Jakki like 4 different ways over the course of the movie? I mean that's probably realistic but it was annoying to me. |
Satellite
12.21.15 | ugh she better have made it off the base
we didn't see her die so i'm hopeful |
tempest--
12.21.15 | im pretty sure Gwendoline is at least going to be in episode 8. and yea Finn in Jakku village was definitely his first deployment. |
tempest--
12.21.15 | i rly dont want Rey to be Luke's daughter but I wouldn't be too surprised if she is |
kris.
12.21.15 | i'd be much more interesting if she were a kenobi but i'd be fine with her being luke's kid too |
Insurrection
12.21.15 | "what did you guys think of the bb-8 lighter thumbs up"
funniest thing a droid has done in the whole series |
Gwyn.
12.21.15 | I doubt it's really his daughter... In the flashback scene where she was yelling for her parents to not go she clearly looked old enough to be able to remember how they look like, she would've recognized him as soon as he took off his hood |
tempest--
12.21.15 | i just read a thing that said in the visions she had when she touched Luke's saber they used audio from Frank Oz, Ewen McGregor and even Alec Guiness...... |
kris.
12.21.15 | ewan mcgregor was the best thing about the prequels and i want an obi-wan stand alone with him dang it |
alienobserver
12.21.15 | funniest thing a droid has done in the whole series[2]
whole theatre cracked up |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | "what did you guys think of the bb-8 lighter thumbs up"
I kinda took it as a middle finger actually, since Finn wanted the droid to lie for him.
Yeah they used new McGregor audio so the voices of old and young Obi Wans could speak to her through the force together. Really cool easter egg. |
Gwyn.
12.21.15 | yea I actually liked Obi Wan post PM, he actually seemed pretty close to how I imagined old Obi Wan would be during his prime, though maybe with a few less one liners lmao
It'd be cool to see him again and Rey being his daughter would be dope |
kris.
12.21.15 | nah being his daughter wouldnt work considering shes probably in her mid-20s and he died 30 years before, im thinking just a relative of some sort. granddaughter would make more sense |
tempest--
12.21.15 | I was listening to the commentary on Phantom Menace and Ewen was saying that he was a huge fan of Guiness and wanted to do the character justice so he practiced speaking like him and a whole bunch of other stuff pretty cool! |
emester
12.21.15 | Kinda prdicted around half the big reveals or twists in the movie, but nevertheless I can't remember the last time I had more fun watching a film. Yeah the overall plot was weak and it felt almost like a mirror to Episode IV but honestly its not a big deal as I loved the movie anyways
First off, I was expecting Rey and Kylo Ren to be brother and sister, kinda symbolizing how the Skywalker family has been on both sides of the force and now the new generation has that brother-sister dynamic rather than parent-child.
Im kinda expecting Kylo to be "Vader-fied" in the next movie as the new emperor guy said that he was ready for his final part of training. If I recall, he even brought this up after losing the fight to Rey.
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LotusFlower
12.21.15 | "almost felt"
its literally episode 4 with maybe a few deviations here and there.
its still awesome tho. |
Rowan5215
12.21.15 | Rey is also fuckin gorgeous goddamn |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | She's like Emma Watson-level adorbs and super likable I can't even. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | just saw this and it rules. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | i did think it was a little lame how Rey sort of holds her own against Kylo but he was pretty badly hurt and i guess she is some crazy fuck prodigy so w/e. I'm pumped to see them both train in the next film |
Ignimbrite
12.21.15 | yeah Kylo Ren got shot by a fucking bowcaster right before that fight and he'd just murdered his father so I think it's safe to say that he wasn't really in the best place physically or emotionally.
also how badass was it that he kept punching his wound during the fight? like, trying to inflict more pain on himself to fuel his anger or w/e to increase his dark side stats |
betray
12.21.15 | kylo ren is the perfect new villian tbh
love how he wears a voice altering vader-esque mask. he really idolizes him
they really nails his volatility as a character |
betray
12.21.15 | also let's talk about the hell of a performance harrison ford delivered in this movie |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | also Luke has a mystical sage beard and has been straight force-meditating on that island about to drop knowledge bombs on Rey |
Ignimbrite
12.21.15 | We're obviously gonna get a lot of Luke's training of Rey in VIII, but I really hope we get to see Snoke training Kylo Ren as well. I mean, his last line *was* commanding Hux to bring him Ren so he could complete his training. That'd be such an awesome juxtaposition to see in the next one. |
tempest--
12.21.15 | dude hal1ax, Rey has being using her stick for years she knows how to use a weapon like that |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | but Kylo had been trained by Luke and Snoke... vs. her self-taught stick ability? but ya i get it, he was badly hurt and she is a boss. |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | this chick also just turned his mind-reading powers back on him and used that to insult him and escaped from containment using powers she just got, then was able to call Luke's saber when Kylo wasn't. Dude was probably a bit shaken by her powers, too, and could've been being a little cautious. |
Tunaboy45
12.21.15 | Rey is Luke's daughter, he's gonna get killed by Kylo in the next one and Rey will use her training she received from Luke to kill Kylo in IX. Calling it now. |
LotusFlower
12.21.15 | guys maybe Rey just has a loooot of midochlorians |
Insurrection
12.21.15 | kylo wasnt really prepared for a saber battle period. he went unopposed since all the jedi were killed which was like 30 years before. til then he was just the big bad who threatened everyone without having to prove his worth. this was the first time he was forced into combat in a long time, on top of the fact that he was wounded and had just killed his father |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | Yeah, I'm sure he probably had some combat experience slashing down the locals or someone with a weapon usable against a 'sabre, but probably not anyone with any force abilities. So even if he did fight competent rebel soldiers, he could've just choked them or blasted them against a wall if he felt like it--no resistance possible. That probably wasn't good for his combat skills. And then compound that by the fact that Rey already showed she could resist his powers anyway, so he prob didn't use force powers in the fight because he thought they might not've worked. Just hack and slash her till she dead wait i forget how to swing sword oops |
anarchistfish
12.21.15 | she has to be luke's daughter. nothing else makes sense |
anarchistfish
12.21.15 | "kylo wasnt really prepared for a saber battle period. he went unopposed since all the jedi were killed which was like 30 years before. til then he was just the big bad who threatened everyone without having to prove his worth. this was the first time he was forced into combat in a long time"
good point. though we don't know the details of how he betrayed the new jedi order |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | Really hope she's not his daughter. Making the whole story about family squabbles would be reeeeeeeeally lazy. Giving her her own family backstory would make for such a better story all around that I really hope she's just coincidentally associated with Luke. |
tempest--
12.21.15 | was there a new jedi order? iirc all that was said was Luke tried training some dudes and Ben got mad then Luke fucked outta there so idk i feel like there may be 2 or 3 or force-sensitives out there at but thats about it |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | I feel like there had to be a decent number of them for Luke to be able to find any in the first place, though. I mean there are hundreds of inhabited systems in the known galaxy so finding only like a dozen kids would be really difficult. After the 'Awakening' I think we can expect a lot more to pop up, though. Heck, Rey's seeking out new students as part of her training might be a sub-plot in the next two films. (I mean I doubt it but someone's gotta rebuild.) |
anarchistfish
12.21.15 | I don't expect to see many more jedi. this isn't the prequels. jedi are high value goods now |
JWT155
12.21.15 | Agreed, there amy be a few who trained under Luke still left but I doubt there will be many left. |
anarchistfish
12.21.15 | is it possible there are any jedi from the old republic still alive in exile? it's only 60 years ago and considering how long some species live.. |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | in the EU there were I believe bc many of the "sentinel" jedi weren't on Coruscant or involved in the Clone Wars so they would've been harder to track down. In Revenge of the Sith Yoda and Obi Wan also mention they need to send a message out to the rest of the Jedi about Order 66 and not to return to Coruscant, so I've gotta believe that some got the message and went into exile like Yoda did. |
kris.
12.21.15 | new republic, not old republic
old republic movie would be neat tho |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | so do you guys think that Kylo is dead and Snoke (Plagueis?) is gonna perform some dark resurrection bullshit on him? |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Yo where was Snoke in the first 6 movies. |
Insurrection
12.21.15 | kylo didn't die |
kris.
12.21.15 | nah kylo's alive lol |
RivalSkoomaDealer
12.21.15 | Snoke is Darth Plagueis. |
Gwyn.
12.21.15 | hold on isn't darth plagueis the guy from palpatine's story in revenge of the sith
isn't it specifically stated that he was killed (implied that it was palpatine who killed him) |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Snoke is not Darth Plagueis. Palpatine killed him. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | OR DID HE?! |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | It would be pretty lame of them to bring back a presumably dead character. Plus it would take away from how awesome Palpatine is. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | ya i suppose |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Plus Disney destroyed the EU so who knows if Darth Plageus was made up by Palpatine or if he was actually Palpatines master. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | why does Kylo even want to find Luke so bad? cuz I'm pretty sure Luke would shit all over that kid in a 1v1 |
Insurrection
12.21.15 | snoke wants to find luke. he's just using kylo to get to him |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | i see i see |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Thats actually a good question. Maybe Snoke wants Kylo to find Luke so Snoke can fight him. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | ya that makes sense. i just kind of got the feeling that Kylo personally wanted to find him... idk maybe he wants to show him how strong he has become with the dark side or something, rub it in Lukes face. |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | True, plus he probably thinks Luke killed Vader, and Kylo like worships Vader. |
RivalSkoomaDealer
12.21.15 | Snoke is the same race of Plagueis (can't remember what they're called, but it's the same race as the "banking clan" separatist guy from Episode II) and in the novels is said to have pulled all of the strings to get Palpatine into the Senate. It's possible Palpatine was unable to actually kill Plaguies and was able to influence Kylo's fall to the dark side.
I know the EU was wiped out, but seems like a pretty big coincidence he happens to be the same race as Plagueis. That's why I think they're the same. Would fit the whole "poetry" thing Star Wars has always had going on. |
RivalSkoomaDealer
12.21.15 | He's a "Muun" that's what their race is called. |
Gameofmetal
12.21.15 | going to see it again with a friend who hasn't seen it yet, not that much less hyped than the first time tbh |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | i would not be mad at getting to see snoke perform some blood magic sith god resurrection ritual on Kylo either, if he is dead. But then again, i agree with Alex about him as Plagueis being a little gimmicky. |
DungeonBoy
12.21.15 | Lol, Kylo isn't dead, no way. I really like the movie. Snoke was my least favorite character. He was way too Marvel like something out of green lantern. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | ya dude i don't think he is dead either.. I'm just saying if Snoke is actually Plagueis, Kylo being dead could be a possibility since Plagueis has resurrection powers. |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Plagueis from the EU didn't look anything like Snoke. All the Aliens/Species in the Force Awakens seemed new except for Chewbacca. Abrahms seemed to throw away all of the Lucas Aliens/Species and just made his own. |
Satellite
12.21.15 | shut the fuck up about snoke being plagueis. they're not going to dredge anything up from the dogshit prequels, especially having the main villain turn out to be some cunt who was talked about for like 2 mins of horrible dialogue. |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | The Opera house scene was like the best scene in the prequels LOL. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | lets talk more about Plagueis since satellite is being such a little pussy ass bitch about it |
Tyler.
12.21.15 | I would really like it if we see like as a total badass in the upcoming films. Like we get to see him do some incredible stuff as opposed to old wise force guy or whatever |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Going to school and making up spoilers for this movie is hillarious. |
kris.
12.21.15 | snoke being plagueis is such a stupd, stupid theory. please stop |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | I liked the Jar Jar being Darth Plageuis theory better. |
kris.
12.21.15 | "Plagueis from the EU didn't look anything like Snoke. All the Aliens/Species in the Force Awakens seemed new except for Chewbacca. Abrahms seemed to throw away all of the Lucas Aliens/Species and just made his own."
tbf chewy wasnt the only returning alien. ackbar and nien nunb were both chillin with the resistance |
adr
12.21.15 | Adam Driver face ruined the movie |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | lol ya i liked Kylo 100x more with his helmet on |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Oh true Kris |
adr
12.21.15 | but nah seriously this was great, right behind New Hope and Empire, better than Return of the Jedi. |
Satellite
12.21.15 | "I liked the Jar Jar being Darth Plageuis theory better."
even dumber. sorry, jar jar was supposed to be a lovable comic relief sidekick who failed miserably. pretty sure that theory was started to illustrate just how gullible the fanboys are. in reality he was just a racist cartoon rabbit conceived by someone woefully out of touch with his target audience. |
kris.
12.21.15 | its cool cuz driver's mask is super menacing and changes his voice to make him appear very scary and powerful but then you take the mask off and he's this prissy punk bitch. |
kris.
12.21.15 | for a sith i mean, adam driver is a cool ass dude and a great actor |
Satellite
12.21.15 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w |
Satellite
12.21.15 | plus driver sorta looks like he could pass for ford's son irl |
kris.
12.21.15 | yea he was cast very very well |
adr
12.21.15 | it was like gayer jon snow who don;t know nothing tbh |
Satellite
12.21.15 | no offense but everything you say is the dumbest thing ever |
Gmork89
12.21.15 | Movie was awesome, completely satisfied with it. |
kris.
12.21.15 | has anyone done a ranking yet
esb > tfa > anh > rotj > shit > rots > tpm > aotc |
adr
12.21.15 | his face still bothers me lol
he was OK villain overall. He will be better in the next movie/s i think.
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AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Nah Lucas pussied out, Jar jar is a sith lord. |
adr
12.21.15 | esb > anh > tfa > rotj
prequels are all shit |
Satellite
12.21.15 | pussied out of what? george had complete autonomy over the prequels, which is why they sucked shit. there was no one around to tell him how bad his ideas were. feel free to live in your bullshit revisionist fantasy world, though. |
Satellite
12.21.15 | need to see tfa another dozen times or so, but i'm in agreement with adr. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | V > VI > IV > VII >>> III > I >>> II |
Gmork89
12.21.15 | My biggest qualm, was how in the hell did the order become so insanely powerful in between episode 6 and 7? I really want to know what happened in between to allow them to get to that level. And the supreme Leader was pretty stupid, other than that I loved the hell out of it. |
kris.
12.21.15 | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aftermath
read that, it's the canonical bridge between the two in terms of the the empire i guess, i havent read it yet but hear its pretty good |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | why did you think Snoke was stupid? I'm genuinely curious cuz i liked him. |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | Search your feelings Satellite, you know it to be true. |
Satellite
12.21.15 | i mean 30 years is a long time. it's not like the empire was entirely obliterated w/ the destruction of the death star in VI. |
Gmork89
12.21.15 | Yeah I guess that's true, just kind of made everything they worked for in the original trilogy seem a little worthless knowing they just came back even more powerful than before. I don't hate that plot point at all, I just want to know how because it seems like a stretch.
@Kris, thanks man Ill read that, maybe it will fill in the holes.
Hal1ax, I couldn't take him seriously being all CGI, he looked like one of the zombies from I am Legend had sex with a new Ninja Turtle. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | hahah. fair enough. |
anarchistfish
12.21.15 | "read that, it's the canonical bridge between the two in terms of the the empire i guess, i havent read it yet but hear its pretty good"
ive heard it's awful |
Gmork89
12.21.15 | He has potential though for sure, it wasn't his character so much as the way he looked, hopefully the non-hologram version of him looks better. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | agreeed |
kris.
12.21.15 | "ive heard it's awful"
ok |
anarchistfish
12.21.15 | http://www.amazon.com/Aftermath-Star-Journey-Force-Awakens/dp/034551162X
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aftermath#Reception |
Satellite
12.21.15 | anarchistfish vs thinking for himself |
anarchistfish
12.21.15 | ive got better stuff to do than read |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.21.15 | obviously not considering you spent your time reading reviews and formulating your opinions based off of what other people (on amazon of all places) think |
wtferrothorn
12.21.15 | saw the movie last night. v good |
kris.
12.21.15 | he asked what happened to the empire between rotj and tfa, i told him what to read that is considered canonical. simmer down with your bullshit |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.21.15 | "Hal1ax, I couldn't take him seriously being all CGI, he looked like one of the zombies from I am Legend had sex with a new Ninja Turtle."
not really, he looked more like Voldemort mated with one of the orcs in lord of the rings or some shit and then had half his face melted with a hot iron |
kris.
12.21.15 | i like snoke's design. he looks like he used to be a normal-ass dude who got so deep into the dark side that it physically warped and twisted him. |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | Goodreads has the book at an avg score of 3.11/5 (which is quite low) after 5.3K ratings. I was going to order that and the novelization just cus, but now I'm conflicted. |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | If you like well-done scifi and Star Wars and action flicks with awesome female protagonists yeah it's good I guess. |
hal1ax
12.21.15 | why didn't you like it |
zaruyache
12.21.15 | yeah do you just hate fun or |
AlexKzillion
12.21.15 | After only seeing it once I would comfortably place it just below ROTJ. |
TheSonomaDude
12.22.15 | Solid 6/10. Cool action but the plot is a complete set up for the next two films. The original Star Wars wasn't like that; you could watch it on your own and be completely satisfied with the told story. Here, you need to watch the other films, and I'm not sure if I like that. It was also just a 150 minute long "DONT YOU REMEMBER THIS FROM THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY???" fanboy jizz fest, and Kylo Ren is proof that Limp Bizkit exists in other galaxies.
Whatever, I'm a dick. |
onionbubs
12.22.15 | does anyone actually like the prequels? Like, I'll admit that I still really enjoy III (even though the dialogue is horrendous), but I know nobody who has actually liked episodes I and II.
V-IV-VII-VI-III-----------------------------------------I-II |
Insurrection
12.22.15 | 1 and 2 have a couple awesome scenes but are like 90% political garbage and sand |
Space Jester
12.22.15 | I wont say that they didn't have their moments but there's are so many things wrong with the prequels that it's hard to think about individual good aspects when as a whole they're really bad. |
zaruyache
12.22.15 | I kinda like Phantom Menace but I don't have any desire to watch the other two ever again, whether it be in a serious sit-down viewing or casually because they're the only things on TV and I want the TV on for some reason. |
AlexKzillion
12.22.15 | All the prequels have some great scenes and ideas, but a lot of them just weren't fully expanded upon. If I'm being honest, ROTS is probably my favorite star wars movie cause insane nostalgia, but it also has many flaws. I think it's hard to get past the horrible dialogue, romance, contradictions to the original trilogy, plot holes, CGI overuse, annoying characters, and just missed opportunities that were present in the films. I personally don't hate them, but it's kind of hard to argue against not hating them. |
Gameofmetal
12.22.15 | i like all the prequels a lot tbh but the originals are obviously better |
AlexKzillion
12.22.15 | [2] |
LotusFlower
12.22.15 | i just cant enjoy them at all. i dont act like theyre the cancer of the earth like a lot of star wars fans do, but they are pretty bad. |
Satellite
12.22.15 | the only people who like the prequels are manchildren and people who were little kids when they came out. try watching them as an actual adult and see how they hold up. |
LotusFlower
12.22.15 | ^ like this guy right here |
Satellite
12.22.15 | i'm right tho |
LotusFlower
12.22.15 | sure, buddy. |
Satellite
12.22.15 | didn't mean to rustle your neckbeard hairs, guy. they're just bad movies is all. |
Gwyn.
12.22.15 | The OT are the one and only, that shit stuck with me hard when I saw them for the first time when I was like 6 and I haven't stopped loving them
I liked the prequels alright when I was a little kid but they never blew me away except EP3 (Which I saw again recently and it wasn't nearly as good as I remembered but I didn't hate it, maybe cuz I just love star wars that much). I've thought about giving them fair shots several times again but god damn everytime I see a new video about them I'm reminded of stuff they had in and realize how much bullshit they had so I haven't had the will power |
AlexKzillion
12.22.15 | Objectively the prequels are bad, and I definitely agree that most people who grew up with the prequels seem to like them better (seeing as I'm one of them). Through EU and both clone wars series's, which actually expands on stuff like Anakin and Obi Wan's friendship, it's a lot easier to connect with and care about the characters, which gives a scene like Obi Wan's "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!" dialogue in ROTS a lot more emotion. That's just my experience. |
Space Jester
12.22.15 | Clone Wars is actually great. A bit shaky in the beginning but it gets really good. |
Satellite
12.22.15 | yeah but anakin's and obi's friendship is never really established. they just have a mentor/bitchy apprentice relationship. |
Satellite
12.22.15 | imo lucas should've hired a human or 2 to look over the scripts. doesn't matter now; star wars is back to not sucking so i'm happy. |
AlexKzillion
12.22.15 | And that's where the prequel films fail for me plot wise. We shouldn't have to wait until the third installment in the trilogy to actually see this great friendship between Anakin & Obi Wan that's talked about in the OT. |
Gwyn.
12.22.15 | More so than the plot not making much sense or it conflicting with the lore in a lot of ways, the absolute biggest problem with the prequels is the atrocious dialogue. If someone had just handled the script other than George Lucas I think everybody would've enjoyed the prequels a whole lot more
edit: got sniped but yea pretty much what satellite said |
Gameofmetal
12.22.15 | satellite's being a dick but he has a point about one thing, i haven't watched the prequels (or the originals for that matter) in years so my opinion on them might've changed |
Space Jester
12.22.15 | I loved the prequels as a kid too, but I did see the OT in theaters (Special Editions) first. Pretty much my whole family now agrees that the prequels are not very good though. |
AlexKzillion
12.22.15 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxLwFGg7EVc
Who was like this before Force Awakens was released? |
alienobserver
12.22.15 | yo i saw that lol love that guy |
dathvada321
12.22.15 | Did anyone else think the pacing was really weird? Like almost every scene felt too short, especially the Starkville base part. The editing was really weird. The movie felt almost choppy in parts. It was a good movie, but that was really bothering me the whole time. |
Gwyn.
12.22.15 | oh yes I noticed it. Also some of the development feels rushed at times (One scene... Rey: *is annoyed but relunclantly agrees to take the robot with her* and you're leaving tomorrow - One scene later... Rey:*Is offered a whole shit ton of food/money (?) for the robot that annoyed her* actually the robot's not for sale srry maybe next time) |
MO
12.22.15 | finally got to see it
and it's official folks
EMPIRE STILL REIGNS SUPREME!!! |
Ignimbrite
12.22.15 | fucking space nazis
also btw Hux was literally space Hitler |
blackwatercity
12.22.15 | Fin and Rey belong in a god damn young adult novel. |
Gwyn.
12.22.15 | I've seen some ppl say that Luke should've been the one to get the light saber with the force and fight kylo but that's literally like
one of the worst ideas I've ever heard ever
I mean I thought it would be that for a moment and I was afraid it would be thankfully not, how the fuck they gonna explain how he showed up there and just in time too
I mean I guess you could he felt it through the force and stuff but can we keep the use of the force as a plot hole filler to a minimum pls |
tempest--
12.22.15 | new theory i've heard is that Rey was trained as a Jedi then had her memory wiped
that's why she's so good with a lightsaber and the force
also 1 she had fake memories put in so she never wants to leave Jakku OR 2 she remembers being separated from her family but doesn't remember why hence waiting for them to come back |
NickLizard49
12.22.15 | Star Wars ep 7 is original like little Red Riding Hood after 200 years we are hearing it. Characters are random and useless. Acting is awful. Screenplay is too fast: it seems to be a long trailer. |
AlexKzillion
12.22.15 | Or we can just have a badass female character who is just that badass to use the force without training. |
AlexKzillion
12.22.15 | Although that theory makes a shit ton of sense. She looked like she couldn't believe it when saw Luke. She was probably saved from Kylo by Luke when Kylo was killing everyone in the new Jedi order, and she some how got her mind wiped. |
zaruyache
12.22.15 | "trained as a Jedi then had her memory wiped"
I'd rather she not just be a gender-bent Revan tho because that's dumb in this context. |
BandNewbac
12.22.15 | seeing again tonight, was fun first time around. |
RivalSkoomaDealer
12.22.15 | I hope she trades that staff in for a double-bladed saber. |
Space Jester
12.22.15 | You think the filmmakers read these threads so they can address all the issues and questions people have in the next film? |
Gwyn.
12.22.15 | no one said that |
ChoccyPhilly
12.22.15 | I know that this is the whole Idea but I didn't like how much it mirrored episode 4. Killed a lot of the suspense as it made what was going on easy to predict at times |
Gmork89
12.22.15 | I think they had to play it safe and deliver a "true" star wars film this time because so much was riding on it being worthy of the original trilogy. Hopefully they got that out of their system and now they can take it in their own direction with new ideas instead of borrowing so much. It may have followed it too closely but its still more than satisfied what I was wanting. |
anarchistfish
12.22.15 | worth getting kotor on the steam sale? |
MO
12.22.15 | "Did anyone else think the pacing was really weird? Like almost every scene felt too short, especially the Starkville base part. The editing was really weird. The movie felt almost choppy in parts"
man so many fucking movies suffer from this these days...especially sci-fi movies...it's actually quite bizarre |
Madbutcher3
12.22.15 | Yeah for all the good things about the story and premise, the directing was really bad and inappropriate in terms of situations; all the cuts are too fast and there are too many close ups. The sense of space and size for lots of sections is completely missing. It honestly reminded me a little of a high budget TV show that just had JJ running the lighting. rather crap
film is still okay but bad direction and dry dialogue |
zaruyache
12.22.15 | Kotor was pretty good, but by now it's probably pretty dated. |
Gmork89
12.22.15 | I didn't notice anything like that when I watched it, seemed just fine to me. Kotor is amazing but yeah looks pretty rough. |
pizzamachine
12.22.15 | Kotor hasn't aged well, but if you're nostalgic it's all good lol |
anarchistfish
12.22.15 | well normally I can't take bad graphics but it sounds like the sort of thing I'd adore so at £2 it must be worth a shot |
Gameofmetal
12.22.15 | kotor is the best game ever, always get it if you have the chance |
pizzamachine
12.22.15 | And it's only $3.29 now :) |
Sinternet
12.22.15 | yeah KOTOR is great go for it.
just seen it, comfortable 8-9/10 for me, story was great and new leads killed it. Only things I wasn't a huuge fan of was Snoke - he doesn't look threatening or powerful at all, get the same vibe from him as Saruman in LotR, not powerful enough to be in complete control. Other was that there was hardly any rest time between one fight to the next, pacing could have been slowed down a bit and expanded upon. Other than that loved it. |
Space Jester
12.22.15 | The Breaking Bad director is doing the next movie so will see what happens |
zaruyache
12.23.15 | Just googled it a little and you might be able to find a graphics mod (or twelve) to make it look less dated, so if you can get a full mod overhaul I'd recommend that :3 Game is good on its own tho if you like turn-by-turn rpgs--and especially if you like the idea of building your own Jedi dude in an open world. |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | i've never modded i'll have to look that up
just come back from seeing it again. definitely a bit of an ANH circlejerk. also, why are they so concerned about the map (how did the map get fragmented anyway?) if they already know where the resistance is? |
ZombicidalMan
12.23.15 | it had a lot of things I disliked and a lot of things I loved. most of my complaints have to do with the re-hashed plot and boring characters. personally I got some whiny anakin vibes from kylo ren, and that was disappointing. plus his hair looked fucking ridiculous under the helmet
all that being said, it looked amazing and was fun, and I think most of the story and character issues will be fixed in the next few. this is the first of several, after all |
Madbutcher3
12.23.15 | KOTOR is sick, really great game all round and one of the top western RPG, everything past Dantooine is lovely delicious perfection |
AlexKzillion
12.23.15 | "The Breaking Bad director is doing the next movie so will see what happens"
JJ Abrahms isn't doing the rest of the trilogy? |
Gameofmetal
12.23.15 | kotor is essentially mass effect before mass effect. it has the same bioware choice based system (it was made by bioware duh) and an expansive world. the combat is weird. kinda unique in its own way. not as slow as most turn based games but i always loved it. i don't see how the graphics can bother anyone knowing it came out in like 2000. it probably looked amazing for its time anyway. |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | "JJ Abrahms isn't doing the rest of the trilogy?"
no
"kotor is essentially mass effect before mass effect."
sold |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | mass effect where I can be a sith? what was 8 year old me playing at? |
tempest--
12.23.15 | "also, why are they so concerned about the map (how did the map get fragmented anyway?) if they already know where the resistance is?"
its the map to find Luke |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | honestly this plagueis theory is really strong
http://newmediarockstars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/23.jpg |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | I get that it's just how suddenly they find out where the resistance is. That bit felt a bit awkward |
AlexKzillion
12.23.15 | I'm starting to hope Snoke is Plagueis tbh. If Snoke is just Snoke and nothing more, how would the Emperor or Vader not have known about him? If Snoke is so powerful, he had to have been doing sith shit during the OT. |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | also hints that rey could have a double edged lightsabre at some point lol. that thing was a bit cheesy though, I'm not sure they'd bring it back |
tempest--
12.23.15 | http://pedestrian.tv/news/entertainment/this-dads-force-awakens-fan-theory-about-kylo-ren-/d6fe3e3d-5c16-4677-804b-4661b6073e03.htm |
Space Jester
12.23.15 | According to the novelization Snoke knew Han and Leia on a personal level and was quite present during Ben/Kylo Ren's childhood. What's that about |
Gmork89
12.23.15 | Whoa that theory is craaaazy but seems totally plausible. |
AlexKzillion
12.23.15 | About to order this novelization right now. |
Gmork89
12.23.15 | The reviews for the book are awful but if its canon ill take what I can get |
AlexKzillion
12.23.15 | Supreme Leader Snoke Has Been Around For Ages
The 11 Biggest Differences Between the Book and Movie Versions of The Force Awakens
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-11-biggest-differences-between-the-book-and-movie-v-1749329046
Supreme Leader Snoke is a whacking great mystery throughout The Force Awakens. Who is he? Where did he come from? Is he a Sith? Is he really that big, or is he holocommunicating with some major compensation issues?
The novelization doesn’t answer all of those questions, but it gives some insight into Snoke by revealing that he’s been working behind the scenes for quite some time, even during the Original Trilogy. In one of their several hologram chit chats, Snoke reveals to Kylo Ren that he actually had apprentices before the fallen Solo. But Ben shows the most promise, because he didn’t begin his training as an adept of the Dark Side, but was corrupted and fell from the light, something Snoke hadn’t experienced before:
It is far more than that. It is where you are from. What you are made of. The Dark Side—and the Light. The finest sculptor cannot fashion a masterpiece from poor materials. He must have something pure, something strong, something unbreakable, with which to work.
Snoke then recalls to Kylo that he saw the Empire “rise, and then fall”, and even that he knew that Darth Vader was Luke’s father (which is probably something Luke didn’t go touting publicly after Endor). This is something that he may have learned while seducing Ben to the dark side, admittedly, but in the book it’s implied that it was something he already knew at the time, anyway. The book really emphasizes that Snoke was a major presence throughout the events of the previous films, though, more than the film did—and that he has a vested interest in the Skywalker family lineage. |
Gmork89
12.23.15 | I also hope we never have to hear about midichlorians again as they are still considered canon. |
AlexKzillion
12.23.15 | I read somewhere that in ROTS Palpatine was going to reveal to Anakin that he manipulated the midichlorians to create him, but was taken out of the script due to time constraints. |
zaruyache
12.23.15 | That kind of makes sense, tho it's just as believable that Kylo just killed Han just to indulge himself further in the dark side. And comparing those two pictures yep Plagueis confirmed. I mean I don't wanna be a speciest and say all of the Muuns look the same, but those are the same guy. |
zaruyache
12.23.15 | I remember reading that Plagueis and Palpatine supposedly tried to create a lifeform (of the dark side?) but were rejected by the force, and their efforts actually created a bounce-back from the force which actually resulted in Anakin's spontaneous conceiving. |
Gmork89
12.23.15 | Agree about Kylo just as likely was indulging further in the dark side, but when he asks Han if he would do anything to help him or whatever, it really would make sense. That would be an "I am your father" moment for sure. You know they are going to push for a twist thats as shocking as that. |
Gwyn.
12.23.15 | "I read somewhere that in ROTS Palpatine was going to reveal to Anakin that he manipulated the midichlorians to create him, but was taken out of the script due to time constraints."
It was pretty much implied |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | "I also hope we never have to hear about midichlorians again as they are still considered canon."
I file most of that kind of stuff under "palpatine clouding the jedi's minds" |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | that needle was actually for insulin |
Gmork89
12.23.15 | Hahaha I can run with that theory and I think Disney should too. |
AlexKzillion
12.23.15 | "It was pretty much implied"
I know. Pretty sure the midichlorian scene from Phantom Menace was supposed to set up that scene, but since it never actually made it into a movie, it just seems like completely pointless dialogue between Qui Gon and Anikan, which I'm gonna assume is why everyone hates midochlorians so much. |
TheSonomaDude
12.23.15 | shit film 1/20 |
zaruyache
12.23.15 | more like 7.5/10 |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | the whole prequels they were all basically on lsd. that's why there's so much cgi |
Madbutcher3
12.23.15 | uh mass effect is worse than kotor but I would recommend it to fans of that game |
Boyproblems
12.23.15 | Someone from this site uploaded a status on Facebook saying 'Han dies.' To say i was pissed off was an understatement. Watched the film yesterday knowing full well that he dies. |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | "uh mass effect is worse than kotor "
lol |
Gameofmetal
12.23.15 | i don't know that i could ever choose a favorite between the two, i love them both for different reasons |
hal1ax
12.23.15 | Someone from this site uploaded a status on Facebook saying 'Han dies.'
that's fucked up man.. |
Boyproblems
12.23.15 | Ikr i was so annoyed. Like...apart from not going on Facebook for an entire week, there was no way i could of avoided that. |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | who did that |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | dw just remember the kind of people that do that driven by bitterness and socially awkwardness |
Boyproblems
12.23.15 | i cant even remember who did it, i just knew it was a sputnik user |
Ignimbrite
12.23.15 | does anyone want to talk about how Daisy Ridley is a total babe |
JWT155
12.23.15 | Eh she did a good job but I don't get the whole hype that she's the next big thing. |
Boyproblems
12.23.15 | 'does anyone want to talk about how Daisy Ridley is a total babe'
She's pre hot |
adr
12.23.15 | she's a cutie yea |
Insurrection
12.23.15 | anyone who spoils this movie deserves to be waterboarded with diarrhea for eternity |
adr
12.23.15 | "spoiler talkin"
what are you doing on here? fuck off |
anarchistfish
12.23.15 | adam driver probably put out the best performance |
AlexKzillion
12.23.15 | 'does anyone want to talk about how Daisy Ridley is a total babe'
yes |
Ignimbrite
12.24.15 | yeah she was a babe, /discussion
but actually, I was so fucking impressed with how hard Disney & Co. absolutely *nailed* the casting of the new people.
Finn is hilarious and relatable and has a surprising amount of depth.
Poe just oozes cool, and his budding bromance with Finn is adorable.
Rey is probably gonna end up being my favorite Star Wars character whose name isn't Han Solo and she's also far-and-away the best "strong female protagonist" I've ever seen in a movie
Kylo Ren is a fucking incredible, terrifying, badass, multi-layered villain
and as much as the writing is to credit for how awesome the new characters are, they would have been nothing without the spot-on casting choices |
Gwyn.
12.24.15 | Finn is easily the best new character, out of everyone he was by far the most human and I'm betting that he'll be the one who'll grow the most throughout the movies |
Rowan5215
12.24.15 | Kylo Renn is the opposite of terrifying tbh |
Gameofmetal
12.24.15 | nah kylo seems equally dangerous and imperfect, great villain |
Gameofmetal
12.24.15 | im crushing on daisy so hard |
hal1ax
12.24.15 | kylo is my fav new char as long as his helmets on |
alienobserver
12.24.15 | but he's so cute |
Rowan5215
12.24.15 | im crushing on daisy so hard [2] [3] she is beautiful |
zaruyache
12.24.15 | Kylo is a believable villain because of how human his reactions are. Vader would've just choked the crap out of people if given disappointing news; Kylo actually throws a fit and destroys things, which is a much more relatable and human. |
Sinternet
12.24.15 | yeah Kylo was great because his faults were visible and human whilst with Vader he was definitely more machine than human for most of the trilogy even if that was the intended reading of his character. Also Finn and Rey are both hugely promising characters and the actors did an amazing job in making them relatable and convincing. I think Finn may be my new favourite character. |
MO
12.24.15 | "Kylo Renn is the opposite of terrifying tbh"
until he gets his complete training in the next movie, I gotta agree. but I think that was the point was to portray a flawed villain. he seems almost unsure about himself at times (when he hits himself during the end light saber scenes, etc).
but yea, he's far from terrifying |
zaruyache
12.24.15 | Kylo is the kind of man you can actually visualize beating his spouse in a fit of childish rage, which is terrifying albeit not in the way you'd expect a scifi villain to be. He's not some big scary intimidating dude, but he has weapons and he's just as willing to use them. |
zakalwe
12.24.15 | Saw it yesterday and loved it. The only slight gripe was it was more a 'remastered' version of the first one and no exploration of the Star Wars universe.
Busier cantina, bigger Death Star, less mincey pet droids, quicker learning of force powers, Modified Empire with more mopey bastards.
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Ignimbrite
12.24.15 | also I ship Rey and Finn so hard. every scene they had together was fucking adorable. |
Gwyn.
12.24.15 | I liked Rey enough but she was too much "I can do amazing things without even knowing how I'm doing it and everyone loves me" to be a great character to me
Everyone talks about how Poe stole all his scenes or some shit like Han did a New Hope but I forgot he was even in the movie by the time finn and his' ship crashed tbh |
tempest--
12.24.15 | "I can do amazing things without even knowing how I'm doing it" i rly hope theres a good explanation for this in ep 8 |
hal1ax
12.24.15 | ya i wasn't a fan of her spontaneous ability to jedi mind trick. i was under the impression that you needed training for shit like that. they just made it sort of gimmicky |
Gwyn.
12.24.15 | I assumed she figured out how it worked when Kylo tried to mind fuck her since she managed to turn it around on him |
hal1ax
12.24.15 | hmmmmmmmmmm |
hal1ax
12.24.15 | doesn't that just seem too easy though? |
Sinternet
12.25.15 | might be completely wrong but wasn't the implication that she was one of the young jedi Luke trained and that's why she was left on Jakku to avoid Kylo and his massacre, but had her memories wiped or something?
could be an explanation of her knowledge or sudden force skills |
Satellite
12.25.15 | or she's luke's daughter and the force is definitely somewhat genetic |
JWT155
12.25.15 | I'm still not sold on her being Luke's daughter. Maybe she has ties to the Skywalkers but i still picture Luke as like the celibate priest of the Force. |
Satellite
12.25.15 | it's definitely hard to imagine luke getting his fuck on, but i'm still sticking with that notion. it was established that r2 was only to re-boot upon luke's return but then he starts up right after rey arrives at the rebel base. |
Satellite
12.25.15 | i acknowledge that it also could have something to do with luke's lightsaber but that makes less sense to me.
mostly i'm glad that we have a star wars movie that's being debated among fans on its plot points rather than how fucking terrible it is. |
alienobserver
12.25.15 | "also I ship Rey and Finn so hard. every scene they had together was fucking adorable."
poe and finn> |
JWT155
12.25.15 | Ehh I see R2 booting up more because of the defeat of the First Order, which wasn't contingent on it being completed by Rey. Plus, if Rey is Luke's daughter they have to explain some sort of mother figure which I think would more easily explained through other outlets. Plus, it just seems to damn convenient. |
Satellite
12.25.15 | yeah but then why have that bit of dialogue by c-3po where he explicitly explains the conditions for r2's reboot? and the first order is clearly no more "defeated" than the empire was at the end of anh.
not saying you're wrong and i'm right, it's just that it seems like slightly more of a stretch to me. |
anarchistfish
12.25.15 | jedi mind tricks are hardly the most advanced of force powers |
anarchistfish
12.25.15 | poe was underused in the movie
"I liked Rey enough but she was too much "I can do amazing things without even knowing how I'm doing it and everyone loves me" to be a great character to me"
sorta agree |
JWT155
12.25.15 | I mean in all the movies force figures can feel the swing of momentum in the force, whether it's the death of someone or the defeat of an evil foe. I think you can plausibly say that with the defeat of killer star base that someone like Luke can feel the shift in the force towards the light, whther through the destruction of killer star base, the addition of new force users, the frustration with Kylo Ren and the disappointment in the dark side and/or the joy from the resistance winning a major battle against the first Order. |
JWT155
12.25.15 | Eh Rey fought Kylo Ren when he'd been injured 3-5 times already and she has had experience fighting and holding her own. I don't think it's a sound script but I can believe it. |
Satellite
12.25.15 | hmm that is definitely worth considering
guess we'll have to wait till ep viii |
Satellite
12.25.15 | guys luke literally uses the fucking force to blow up the death star in anh with next to no training; not sure how what rey does is that much of a stretch in comparison. |
JWT155
12.25.15 | Even her fighting with a lightsaber, she's literally running away from Kylo Ren the whole time and only overtakes him when he lowers his guard trying to recruit her to the darkside as her teacher and oh yea, has been injured a few times and has already fought Finn. |
anarchistfish
12.25.15 | "I think you can plausibly say that with the defeat of killer star base that someone like Luke can feel the shift in the force towards the light"
uhuh. how about that star system that got blown up |
JWT155
12.25.15 | Of course, Obi Wan's whole line on feeling a great disturbance in the force was when Alderaan was blown up for christ sake. |
Ignimbrite
12.25.15 | Yeah, the complaints about Rey beating Kylo don't make a lot of sense to me. she's built up as a powerful, if untrained (that we know of – I'll bet some KotOR-style mindwiping is revealed in VIII) force user. It makes perfect sense that she'd be able to beat a partially trained, out-of-practice, critically injured emotional wreck of a Vader wannabe.
A smarter Sith/Ren/whatever would've cut his or her losses after tanking a shot from the bowcaster (whose power was hyped up throughout half the movie), but Kylo was just being an overconfident dipshit. He obviously would have probably wrecked Rey on a good day, but let's face it: it was NOT a good day for him. |
Ignimbrite
12.25.15 | Speaking of Kylo Ren, this is literally the funniest fucking Twitter account I've ever seen.
https://twitter.com/KyloR3n |
zaruyache
12.25.15 | in the flashbacks Rey is like a tiny five year old child--would she actually have been old enough to be in Jedi training? That part bothers me bc how would Luke have found a child like her if he was the only one searching and this kid had only a few years in which to show some connection to the Force?
Also Rey's beating Kylo isn't hard to understand at all when you look at the choreography of the fight--she mostly just stabs at him wildly for offense and for defense just swings to block him, which isn't difficult to do. Add in Kylo's emotional instability from killing Han, the anger and pain from being shot, and the fear of fighting a new force user with unpredictable power who he also doesn't want to kill bc he wants her to be his ally. He was damaged and shaken and taking it easy on her in the first place, then got distracted and underestimated her. Nothing fancy there. |
Sinternet
12.25.15 | Most jedi are recruited at like 3-4 iirc |
anarchistfish
12.25.15 | "in the flashbacks Rey is like a tiny five year old child--would she actually have been old enough to be in Jedi training?"
well anakin was considered "far too old" at 8 |
anarchistfish
12.25.15 | this is cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DajJXToUKrs |
Madbutcher3
12.25.15 | anarchistfish u starting m8? kotor is like mass effect with writers |
anarchistfish
12.25.15 | im playing it now. it's pretty good |
anarchistfish
12.26.15 | what about general grievous |
Sinternet
12.26.15 | that's actually a pretty good analysis especially with the point that Luke pretty much picked up a lightsaber and was proficient with it in one afternoon so it's hardly surprising that Rey could do the same when she was already shown to be decent at combat beforehand with the pole thing she had.
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Gyromania
12.26.15 | good analysis hep. i was discussing this with a friend earlier and came to the same conclusions as you. it seems like A LOT of people are upset about that fight with ren and rey, but it makes sense that she'd win based on everything you've already said.
i thought the movie was superb, maybe my 3rd overall favorite star wars movie. ren is such a well designed character, i really look forward to seeing where he goes from here. and hey, now he has a reason to keep his helmet on at all times! ;D |
Gyromania
12.26.15 | also, i think rey was tapping into the dark side of the force at the end when she was fighting ren. thoughts? |
Sinternet
12.26.15 | i feel like she was tempted by it and it made an interesting battle with one dark side character tempted by the light and one light character tempted by the dark against each other |
Keyblade
12.26.15 | finally watched it today, and it was superb. even as a standalone film, the pacing, suspense and action were top notch |
Gyromania
12.26.15 | i love the way ren moves and talks. i sort of wish he kept his mask on all movie, but it's no fault of his acting or anything. all heroes/villains lose that mystery and intimidation or 'cool' factor when they take off their mask, regardless as to who's beneath.
sinternet: i do have one theory about ren's supposed pull to the light side. i think that he was conflicted, much like anakin. but he made a definitive choice, the same as anakin when he was with mace windu and palpatine. when ren chose to strike his father down on that bridge, that was the point of no return. the point in which he chose to fully embrace the dark side and let go of his reservations about it. i do believe there was an internal struggle within him to not kill rey though, since he obviously wanted to recruit her to the dark side. if he really wanted to i'm pretty sure he could have crushed her in that moment |
anarchistfish
12.26.15 | yeah with a name that bad he must make up for it somehow else |
Gameofmetal
12.26.15 | "this is cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DajJXToUKrs"
rofl im fuckin dying at his saber stance |
Gyromania
12.26.15 | true, i suppose it's incorrect to say 'point of no return,' but it took him a long time to have his redemption. as this is a new trilogy, i feel like ren won't attain that same level of clarity in time. i think he's either going to win or die trying. this also makes sense when you consider the guy directing these new movies, and his thoughts on the ending of the original trilogy.
also agreed hard about plaguies. i just heard that theory a few days ago, and the thought never even occurred to me prior to that, but it makes a lot of sense. i think his abilities to cheat death were vaguely touched on, either that or i don't remember it well, but whereas some jedi and sith can transcend death, i think plaguies' study of it was to basically become immortal in the physical realm |
Gwyn.
12.26.15 | I'll be seeing the movie again on monday so I can get it more fresh in my mind. I pretty much agree with most of the stuff hep has said though.
Also;
"this also makes sense when you consider the guy directing these new movies"
No director will be repeating for the next movie, JJ abrams won't direct the next movie and the next director won't direct ep ix |
anarchistfish
12.26.15 | why do jedi have to train from young to use a lightsaber?
finn was p average with a lightsaber tbh. gets put to the ground by the first non shit stormtrooper he encounters and kylo ren was barely trying |
anarchistfish
12.26.15 | the guy directing viii is doing the screenplay for both viii and ix |
anarchistfish
12.26.15 | "The only thing I'm worried about is that is Plagueis survived his assassination in some Voldemort-esque Horcrux thing. Like maybe his soul being placed in a Sith Holocron or some other type of artifact. That would obviously suck."
would it be lame if it's just a case of unreliable narrator on the part of palpatine. that or him being manipulated by plagueis |
zaruyache
12.27.15 | I don't like the idea of a mind-wiped Rey because it feels too much like a lazy KOTOR ripoff. Might as well give her a Bastilla double-sided yellow saber while you're at it. |
ArsMoriendi
12.27.15 | Finally got around to watching it and wow was it great. Rey is awesome as hell. |
Gmork89
12.28.15 | I have a theory that it was Luke who split the earth and divided Rey and Kylo at the end of their fight, possibly to stop Rey from executing Kylo and moving towards the dark side, or because Kylo is secretly undercover and is still needed to execute their plan to kill Snoke ;) |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | idk i think the planet blowing up had something to do with it |
Gmork89
12.28.15 | Yeaaaaah seemed a little convenient to me.
I know i'm probably wrong. |
zaruyache
12.28.15 | If the theory that Kylo is undercover is true, he's undercover without Luke's permission, and he's guilty of awful crimes (meaning I doubt Luke would "save" him anyway). I reeaally doubt that even if Luke's magic messiah powers were great enough as to let him split a planet open, he wouldn't be able to do it from so far away in such a specific way. The Force generally lets people sense the general gist of something, not the specifics. |
Gmork89
12.28.15 | Yeah that's a good point, the Kylo being undercover part would be a stretch in the first place. The part that gets me coming back to that is the whole part with Vaders helmet and him saying something along the lines of Snoke sensing the light in him and him needing vader to show him the power of the dark side again. So that makes me think he is either asking vader for help to 'impress" snoke and make sure that he knows Kylo is loyal to the dark side, or because he needs vaders help to fool Snoke into thinking he's loyal, which seems more likely to me.
That doesn't mean he's undercover though for anyone, more likley his own personal agenda. |
Harte
12.28.15 | Snoke's face is so messed up it's hard to tell what he would have looked like before. Maybe he's Jar Jar. |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | like this http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/9/93477/2590681-tumblr_m01napq2b01r3kvzio1_400.jpg |
zaruyache
12.28.15 | there's no way 'Gollum-doppelganger' Snoke is a muun. He looks nothing like a muun in the film. |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | well snoke is plagueis so yeah he is |
Gmork89
12.28.15 | They probably just changed the model, gave him a nose etc. He had a nose in TFA right? |
Shiranui
12.28.15 | The chemistry between Leia and Han can now be found in her face. |
ArsMoriendi
12.28.15 | So Rey's actress looks WAY too much like Natalie Portman and Carrie Fisher to not be related to the Skywalker family in some form.
So the real question is: is she Luke's daughter or Leia and Han's? |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | like 70% certain she's luke's daughter. that line from kylo though, "han solo, the father you never had", idk what to read into that. surely kylo would've recognised his own sister? |
LoLifant
12.28.15 | han solo dies
I'm so badass |
Sinternet
12.28.15 | that further makes me believe that Rey was one of the young jedis with Kylo that Luke trained and she was the only survivor so he knows who she is idk just guessing |
ArsMoriendi
12.28.15 | Also, the lightsaber they kept saying was Luke's was blue instead of green, so I actually think it might be either Kenobi's or Anakin's old one. |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | "Kylo must know her tho since he was so pissed wen he was told that a "girl" was with the droid"
ehh how would he know it's her. i think he was just throwing a typical baddie "things-aren't-going-my-way-tantrum" |
ArsMoriendi
12.28.15 | Oh, I don't remember them explicitly saying that. That makes sense then.
They kept just calling it "Luke's" from what I remember when I know his final light saber (the one he built for himself) was green. |
Gmork89
12.28.15 | I think shes the offspring of Yoda and the Warwick Davis ewok. |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | and yeah i mean the fact the lightsaber was passed down from anakin to luke to rey and that there's all that shit about the force in his family makes me think she's luke's girl |
zaruyache
12.28.15 | I took that just to be his annoyance with the idea of yet another out-of-nowhere conspirator against him. First he finds out a Storm Trooper has betrayed them and stolen their prisoner, then he learns that the droid ran off with the Storm Trooper, then he learns that someone ELSE is helping them? Vader force choked people for much less and he didn't have anger problems. |
Gmork89
12.28.15 | Yeah I agree with zaruyache. Also hes a bit perplexed when he finds out she can use the force, and hes telling Snoke like "The girl is strong in the force" like he's surprised about it, so if he knew who she was I think he would have expected it if she's indeed Lukes daughter. |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | why would he come to that conclusion immediately though |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | "I took that just to be his annoyance with the idea of yet another out-of-nowhere conspirator against him. First he finds out a Storm Trooper has betrayed them and stolen their prisoner, then he learns that the droid ran off with the Storm Trooper, then he learns that someone ELSE is helping them? Vader force choked people for much less and he didn't have anger problems."
exactly |
Gmork89
12.28.15 | He seemed to be totally caught off guard about it when he tried to interrogate her.
Probably because he knows his own strengths and she was able to stop him and get into his head, that would take a lot of power I would assume. |
dathvada321
12.28.15 | Rey pretty much has to be a Skywalker. Kathleen Kennedy explicitly stated that the main saga films are about the Skywalker family. Rey is the central character. I doubt that she is Han or Leia's because they didn't seem to recognize her at all. Plus her story is extremely similar to Anakin and Luke's. I think she is Luke's daughter. |
Shiranui
12.28.15 | "Rey..you've already met your daddy in the millenium falcon. He was your father!"
Another catchphrase fanserved. There we go. |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | the film does make a big point of rey's absent father. like when she fixes the falcon and is so proud but han doesn't really care and her face just drops. maybe that was to demonstrate han's personality/poor fathering skills, or rey's daddy issues. or both |
dathvada321
12.28.15 | Rey is clearly the main character though, not Kylo or Luke. The story is about her. |
Gmork89
12.28.15 | Thanks for touching on the ground splitting though Hep. I'll admit it was likely just circumstance, but I suppose its possible that with starkiller wiping out the planet and its moons, and Reys powers awakening, that Luke would feel that and possibly intervene to prevent her from killing Kylo or vice-versa for some reason we don't know yet. |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | when does sidious use battle meditation? |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | luke is certainly the main protagonist of the originals even if the story is about vader |
anarchistfish
12.28.15 | no KOTOR spoilers pls, I've just finished the tatooine level |
anarchistfish
12.29.15 | is the canon clone wars series worth watching? |
dathvada321
12.29.15 | I would say the originals are about Luke more so than Vader. The plot surrounds his journey. |
someguest
12.29.15 | Do you think Mark Hamill will sign my motorcycle? |
anarchistfish
12.29.15 | idk what other kotor there is. nihilus is kotor 2 no? |
Deathconscious
12.29.15 | The humor was stupid and out of place and the guy who played fin is a bad actor. Also, its the same plot as before, they just changed the names. The rebels are now the resistance and the empire is the new order. Only cool thing about the movie was seeing the actors from the original trilogy. |
Gwyn.
12.29.15 | Just came back from seeing the movie once more;
The experience was largely ruined by the fact that I couldnt' get sits for any showing other than 3D ones and I had to use those stupid fucking dirty headache inducing glasses that were either nothing but a distraction or were just causing me a headache.
Despite that, with my memory refreshed I dare say I like it more now than before even though there's many more things I could nitpick (But they're nitpicks, so I don't really care). Finn is still easily the best new main character - The most human, the funniest, the one with the most interesting motivations, and the one who I'm most interested in seeing how he will end up. Pretty confident that he'll be a showstealer by the end.
1) Still not sure why people liked Poe as much as they did. He was amusing and I like him now more than before but he still wasn't that amazing in any particular scene, and he wasn't even in that many scenes to begin with. I do think he'll grow to become cooler though.
2) Rey and Finn's relationship is a little more nuanced than I first thought, a couple of key dialog moments were what made me realize that it wasn't as hasty as it first seemed. I'm looking forward to seeing where they'll go forward - And I'm honestly hoping they'll end up as just friends though that's probably not gonna happen.
3) Han's death is still bullshit and I hate life and the universe if it is indeed legit but I'm still not entirely convinced that it is. Chewbacca's reaction was perfect and made the moment all the more memorable.
4) There are also a lot more "this will mean something in the next few movies" moments than I first thought, but even though it makes it frustratingly difficult to analyze the film fairly due to not yet having access to the big picture, once all 3 movies are out this will probably only make them even better, so I'm fine with that for now. |
tempest--
12.29.15 | Han is dead Poe is the new Han |
Gwyn.
12.29.15 | fokyu |
Keyblade
12.29.15 | i get the sneaking suspicion that poe is going to end up an antagonist. something really shady about how he survived that ship crash with no real explanation given |
anarchistfish
12.29.15 | yeah cos retrieving the map to luke skywalker for the republic and destroying the first order's super weapon are the actions of the dark side |
Keyblade
12.29.15 | ay i did say it was a suspicion, not based on any logic. just a gut feeling |
Deathconscious
12.29.15 | doesnt really make sense tbh. |
tempest--
12.29.15 | more Finn + Poe bromance please |
DoofusWainwright
12.29.15 | Despite all the new faces the very worst character (other than his pug ugly son) was Old Han Solo, HF was awful in this and was a relief when the space-milkman's baby stabbed him with his crucifix light saber
How happy did Chewie look knowing the old f"ck was gone and the ex storm trooper a cushion smothering away from drawing his last breath - other than that it was him and the piece of human tail all alone in the vastness of space. Hope the millennium falcon has good suspension bump de bump |
dathvada321
12.29.15 | I thought Harrison Ford was great wtf |
Flugmorph
12.29.15 | Finally i can join this circlejerk.
Best star wars
Han solo's death scene was kinda unfitting for such a character tho |
Gwyn.
12.29.15 | yea doofus lives up to his name by being a retard |
TheSonomaDude
12.29.15 | Why the fuck are all these people liking it???
I'm just gonna put on my thick-rimmed and stroke my cat now. |
Gmork89
12.29.15 | Harrison Ford did excellent. |
anarchistfish
12.30.15 | you expected han solo to be the same guy as in the originals? ford did well as a jaded version of the character |
DoofusWainwright
12.30.15 | The plot of this film followed the broad strokes of the original trilogy storyline and just condensed it into one film...young character from a desert planet feels the force, rebels vs empire, father/son clash on a bridge, they blow up a death star weapon thing
This film was in such a rush for what ends I have no idea.
There wasn't a single new idea, no great new character or at the least some new tech idea beyond the rolling droid.
Film looked the part but Abrams first Star Trek movie was way way better |
anarchistfish
12.30.15 | kylo ren is probably the deepest character in the star wars saga yet dude |
Rowan5215
12.30.15 | oh yeah he is so deep man his pain is so real |
DoofusWainwright
12.30.15 | Kylo Ren was a laughable piece of casting imo, none of the bad dudes in this had any of the gravity/mystery of Darth Vader.
You don't take off the mask, esp not an hour into the first movie of a trilogy
The big bird out of GoT should have had her voice altered too, that plummy female accent had flat zero menace
Huge Gollum CGI projection was also not at all scary and just looked out of place.
So yeah, they royally f'cked the dark side, look like a bunch or wet blankets |
zakalwe
12.30.15 | The Mask. Now that's a comedy classic. Not the Jim Carey travesty the Cher and Eric Stoltz one where he plays the biker with elephantiasis of the face. |
Rowan5215
12.30.15 | sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssMOKINNNNNNNNNN |
DoofusWainwright
12.30.15 | Zak they need to dig up Moranis from wherever he's hiding and sign up Carey for new Space Balls |
zakalwe
12.30.15 | Yes!!! |
zaruyache
12.30.15 | Well Mel Brooks did say a new Spaceballs movie was possible... I'd be OK with that casting, too. |
anarchistfish
12.30.15 | i watched the first 20 minutes of space balls and it was one of the worst pieces of cinema i've ever seen |
zakalwe
12.30.15 | Anyone who uses the phrase 'piece of cinema' shouldn't be given a ticket to see a film in the first place. |
zaruyache
12.30.15 | Spaceballs is like the lowpoint of Brook's career sans his Dracula movie I think? Still a good film, though. |
anarchistfish
12.30.15 | "Anyone who uses the phrase 'piece of cinema' shouldn't be given a ticket to see a film in the first place."
suck my piece of dick |
dathvada321
12.30.15 | @doofus I disagree about Kylo Ren but agree about the other two villains. Snoke is a terrible villain name and his design does not look great imo. Phasma was a joke. I also agree about the plot. They added nothing new to the series whatsoever. I mean it's one thing to mirror the OT a bit but they just shamelessly copied it. Very disappointing. And there was no world building whatsoever in this movie. Everything is just a slightly different version of something we h as very seen before. It also has the weakest 3rd act of any Star Wars movie. I honestly think ROTS is better. |
dathvada321
12.30.15 | Auto correct got me |
Deathconscious
12.30.15 | "Anyone who uses the phrase 'piece of cinema' shouldn't be given a ticket to see a film in the first place."
lol yeah thats not how most people speak, what a douchebag lolololol |
anarchistfish
12.30.15 | [2] |
anarchistfish
12.30.15 | seeing this for the 3rd time today |
Gmork89
12.30.15 | I might go my 3rd time this weekend too. |
DoofusWainwright
12.30.15 | I'd struggle to watch this again without a year or two break first |
Gmork89
12.30.15 | Ah damn that's unfortunate, a lot of enjoyment to be had. |
CalculatingInfinity
12.30.15 | Just saw this today, everything I wanted from the movie. I'm a very happy camper :3 |
zaruyache
12.30.15 | has anyone seen it in 3D? I've only seen two movies in 3D before so I'm kinda tempted to see it a 3rd time in 3D just because, but I'm wondering if the 3D feels tacked on or if it actually enhances any scenes at all. |
anarchistfish
12.30.15 | i saw it in 3d the first two times and it was alright but I'm not really a fan of 3d. the visuals of the movie are incredible though so maybe if you dig 3d you'd like it |
evilford
01.07.16 | "Also, the lightsaber they kept saying was Luke's was blue instead of green, so I actually think it might be either Kenobi's or Anakin's old one. "
yeah I think they were talking about it as Luke's "original" lightsaber, the one Obi Wan gave to Luke on Tatooine that was originally Anakin's, and that he lost down that world-sized shaft in cloud city when DV cut is hand off. I want to know how his lightsaber was recovered? somebody found it in the bowels of Cloud City and it somehow just happened to make it's way to Maz? really interested to see if they're ever gonna explain that |
evilford
01.07.16 | also I really don't understand people saying this is their favorite in the series. I mean it was great but come on have you even seen the orig trilogy? |
InFlamesWeThrash666
01.07.16 | really interested to see if they're ever gonna explain that
They will probably explain it. When Solo asked where she found it,Maz said "That's a good question but for another time". I think it's pretty clear that they saved the answer for the next episodes |
evilford
01.07.16 | guess I missed that |
Devastator
01.08.16 | The fact that some people are starting to believe that Snoke is Vader based off of his facial scars is one of the most retarted things I've heard in a while. |
evilford
01.08.16 | lol I haven't heard that |
Devastator
01.08.16 | There's a photo on twitter of behinds the scene RotJ Anikan side by side with the clearest photo of Snoke facing towards the camera. A couple of the scars match up a little and now people are freaking out that Snoke is Vader. It's ridiculous. |
Ocean of Noise
01.08.16 | I'm kind of disappointed that Snoke exists tbh. Ren would be more compelling as a lone wolf imo. |
BeyondCosby
01.08.16 | If Snoke is Vadar the rest of the series is ruined.
Overall I felt disappointed with the new movie. They do some things right (Kylo is going to end up being such a great villain, building interest to lore, solid performances by the young actors) but some things are so frustrating they ruined the movie.
The scene where they explain the new weapon is literally one of the biggest boner kills in Star Wars history. "Remember the Death Star? This one is bigger." Seriously... what kinda baby writes that shit? Also, Han's death had literally no impact because they focus on everyone else's reactions rather than give one of the biggest icons in sci-fi history a powerful moment. Why throw him into an abyss? Why not give him a moment with Rey or Chewie? It felt like Abrams was pretty much just trying to jerk off the fans with nostalgia rather than come up with something new and original while maintaining ELEMENTS of what has made the franchise so endearing. |
evilford
01.08.16 | not sure what to think about Ren. it's nice that he has a more human element to him, rather than the 100% evil textbook villian but I wasn't too interested in his character, maybe I need to see it again |
evilford
01.08.16 | ""Remember the Death Star? This one is bigger." Seriously... what kinda baby writes that shit?"
lol |
Ocean of Noise
01.08.16 | I've gotta agree with you on pretty much all points Cosby. I was disappointed with the movie overall too. They very well could have taken out the whole "Death Star v. 3" thing and it would have made no difference to the plot - not a good sign. |
Ocean of Noise
01.08.16 | Plus the lack of world-building is pretty crappy too. Everything in this movie looks like it was taken straight out of the original trilogy. The prequels were flawed in a lot of ways, but at least they were visually fresh. |
Gameofmetal
01.08.16 | "The scene where they explain the new weapon is literally one of the biggest boner kills in Star Wars history. "Remember the Death Star? This one is bigger." Seriously... what kinda baby writes that shit? Also, Han's death had literally no impact because they focus on everyone else's reactions rather than give one of the biggest icons in sci-fi history a powerful moment. Why throw him into an abyss? Why not give him a moment with Rey or Chewie? It felt like Abrams was pretty much just trying to jerk off the fans with nostalgia rather than come up with something new and original while maintaining ELEMENTS of what has made the franchise so endearing."
it would be pretty cheesy and forced if he didn't get thrown into an abyss
yea ren's just gonna leave him there and they'll just somehow give him time enough to chat up a main character before he dies, lol no thank you |
Gameofmetal
01.08.16 | "i saw it in 3d the first two times and it was alright but I'm not really a fan of 3d. the visuals of the movie are incredible though so maybe if you dig 3d you'd like it"
it wasn't really tailor made for 3d so the best way to see it is normally
even if it was, then normal would be better tbh. i dont usually care for 3d |
ZippaThaRippa
01.08.16 | Would have been nice if they could have recovered the body but yeah, no last words, thanks |
BeyondCosby
01.08.16 | Usually when something doesn't work the first time people don't make it bigger. That seems like some goofy super villain shit. I completely agree with the world building. We only really get to know one planet and the rest are interchangeable. Heck, they literally use the same set when Kyle is chasing Rey on that one forested planet as they do on the ice planet. |
BeyondCosby
01.08.16 | And I agree @gameofmetal and @zappa I guess I didn't necessarily want some lame last words, but Han is thrown into the abyss and then there is nothing. The only touching part of that is when Leia collapses. Compare his death to when Vader died. There was a beautiful funeral pyre scene. Luke held vigil over the burning remains of his father. That was powerful. We have someone as iconic as Vader and all we have as a memorial are two people hugging while the rest of the team celebrates? Again, I don't need a Wisconsin Cheesefest here but there should have been at least something more. Chewie finds his blaster discarded at the mouth of the bridge... Rey finds his jacket hung up in the Falcon.... |
Gmork89
01.08.16 | I re-watched the originals and noticed all of the flaws with them too, still amazing movies. |
Gameofmetal
01.08.16 | "Chewie finds his blaster discarded at the mouth of the bridge... Rey finds his jacket hung up in the Falcon...."
i kinda like the latter |
theBoneyKing
01.08.16 | Seeing the movie again today, stoked to look for the Easter Eggs etc. ~ |
