Over2000Ratings: Overrated Albums

Avagantamos 06.02.15	1 is shit
Davil667 06.02.15	*the shit
DrGonzo1937 06.02.15	5, 6, 7 absolutely not.
AmericanFlagAsh 06.02.15	Can we ban these lists already? ffs
altertide0 06.02.15	yeah please stop this shit
LoLifant 06.02.15	Not giving a fck about any of these -> good list
altertide0 06.02.15	Let only the users who have say at least 6x as many ratings as this guy do the "overrated" lists cause it's unbearable now
trvvve 06.02.15	1. 1 2. 3.5 3. 4.5 4. 1.5 5. 3 6. 4.5 7. 5
JS19 06.02.15	OBJECTIVELY
CK 06.02.15	4 is overrated indeed. Influential, yes, but not nearly as good as people make it out to be. I am also not nearly as big a fan of 6 as others are on this site
Feather 06.02.15	I didn't realize people disliked appetite for destruction..
DoofusWainwright 06.02.15	It's hard for people to understand the mainstream appeal Guns n Roses had at the end of the 80's/early 90's - one of the last bands to conquer the planet. Nirvana followed them...then something changed with music and the world. No artist can do that now - no one has for 20 years
KrazyKris 06.02.15	Sure, Nickelback have done it over and over
altertide0 06.02.15	Ok, they conquered the planet. So what?
Feather 06.02.15	I personally still spin appetite and the better songs off of use your illusion. RIP.
Yotimi 06.02.15	OMG wow great list! I can't wait to see this again tomorrow!
smaugman 06.02.15	yes is not overrated
DoofusWainwright 06.02.15	So what? Just applying context - calling GnR, Nirvana and Pink Floyd overrated is different to calling NMH or GSYBE overrated. If all you've done is spin the album you wouldn't quite understand just how big they were. I'm not a fan boy, think I've got it 3'd here - I worshipped it aged 9 or 10 though
DamnVanne 06.02.15	Yes is just as good as their most rabid fans say they are
DamnVanne 06.02.15	And CTTE is the best of their work. Get a job
altertide0 06.02.15	I don't give a fuck about "how big they were" and you shouldn't either. Quality of music is not measured by the number of sold records, played shows or popularity in general. I bet right now there are albums on bandcamp with a 100 listens which are better than much of PF, GnR or Nirvana stuff.
altertide0 06.02.15	Context is important when it comes to album recording/release date but certainly not popularity.
Ryus 06.02.15	i like all of these tbh yeah thank u for the list
KrazyKris 06.02.15	I don't give a fuck about "how big they were" and you shouldn't either. Quality of music is not measured by the number of sold records, played shows or popularity in general.[2] And not by its impact on later artists either
danielito19 06.02.15	altertide laying down knowledge
TheMagicalBlender 06.02.15	1 is a 5, and everything else is a 4.5 except for 2 which is a 4.
rufinthefury 06.02.15	agreed on all
Ryus 06.02.15	Over2000Ratings Ratings (209)
Snake. 06.03.15	"Over200Ratings" smh ryus
zakalwe 06.03.15	Good old Doof. These fuckers don't understand dude it's all instantaneous aesthetics and twaddle. To actually be part of a generational movement that shapes the future through a shared unifying form of new culturally important and popular music which inadvertently heightens the listening experience to another level is a foreign concept that these tweens will never understand because it'll never happen again
Ryus 06.03.15	oops
Flugmorph 06.03.15	def agree on 1 mane otherwise: fuk u
Flugmorph 06.03.15	Guns'n'roses stinks
StallionMang 06.03.15	1 shit [2] 2 maybe a little 3 no 4 nope 5 not really 6 nope 7 nope
DrGonzo1937 06.03.15	"Over2000Ratings Ratings (209)" LOL I noticed that.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	Zak I know I'm fighting a losing battle here lol - 'it's just about the music, an album is just an album' is the predictable response. Neutral Milk Hotel is just an album fair enough, it's just funny that albums that defined 3 of 4 years of culture are thrown in the same list and shat on where you know there's a subtitle you see below saying 'the entire world must have been wrong about this' that the list writer is probably totally oblivious to. It's like saying 'I think flared trousers, acting like a hippy and smoking pot are hella overrated' and blow me if you ended up going back in a time machine and there you are with daisies in your long hair tripping your balls off. These things can't be 'overrated' just say you 'don't get them' or 'don't like them' by all means - overrated what a crock of crap, these albums fought those type of battles 20, 30 or 40 years ago lol
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	I'm saying that with these artists the album is linked to the potency of the band and also linked with the impact it had on the culture at the time. You can say you don't like the album but you can't say it's overrated without sounding like an idiot - would you say the 80's are overrated? JFK's presidency was overrated? The compact disc player was overrated? The dinosaurs were overrated? Goddam those overrated dinosaurs. Guns n Roses were an established 10/10 global phenomenon and the album is woven into that, it's not just about the music - establishing that as fact then it can't be overrated. It can not be someone's cup of tea but the time to discuss if it was overrated was before the band changed the world not after. 'Oh the Beatles were overrated...oh shit why did 90% of my record collection just disappear, and the clothes I'm wearing have changed too - daddy I'm scared, help me daddy! Why is my daddy called Rusty instead of George now. Help meeeeeee!'
zakalwe 06.03.15	Listen-digest-move on. Albums not for me, how does this have a cult following its not for me at all. Listen-what the hell is this?-why is everyone going on about it-bands are obviously copying it-fashions changing as a result!-the way people carry themselves and general attitude is changing as a result!-good god the media are all over it and labelled it-there's a festival dedicated to it-a period of my life is defined by it. Overrated.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	you've summed it up there Zak, times have changed - the Internet has turned us all into dusty old record collectors and gives the illusion of an even platform to judge everything on 'objective merit' only. And lo the 'overrated' list was born - 'I've just jammed all Beatles and all Weezer and Beatles are overrated Weezer is underrated'. It's not overrated it's personal taste - overrated is trying to correct the historical musical tastes of the world and that's a one way trip to dumbass
Keyblade 06.03.15	"Zak I know I'm fighting a losing battle here lol - 'it's just about the music, an album is just an album' is the predictable response. Neutral Milk Hotel is just an album fair enough, it's just funny that albums that defined 3 of 4 years of culture are thrown in the same list and shat on where you know there's a subtitle you see below saying 'the entire world must have been wrong about this' that the list writer is probably totally oblivious to. It's like saying 'I think flared trousers, acting like a hippy and smoking pot are hella overrated' and blow me if you ended up going back in a time machine and there you are with daisies in your long hair tripping your balls off. These things can't be 'overrated' just say you 'don't get them' or 'don't like them' by all means - overrated what a crock of crap, these albums fought those type of battles 20, 30 or 40 years ago lol" damn, u must've been tripping really bad here what the fuck is this haha
zakalwe 06.03.15	The truth
KrazyKris 06.03.15	@Doofus That is nonsense. The rating of an album is or at least should not be defined solely by its general impact. I don't know how you judge what you listen to, but usually one judges the listening experience. Now of course there can be nostalgia linked to it or you can have an epiphany that changed your life forever. But that is YOUR experience and therefore you rate it accordingly. zak said it himself, "a period of my life was defined by it". Sure thing that that has an impact on how you think of an album and listen to it. But in general the way we rate we rate what we hear mostly. Again I don't know what your ratings are based on, but I don't think you rate Hendrix, the Beatles or LZ all 5 just because of their impact. That would just be stupid. There's a difference between quality and importance/impact. And you can be like the Rolling Stone ranking the "greatest" albums, jumbling those two up. But calling an album overrated just means that one thinks its ratings are too high. That doesn't mean it's impossible to acknowledge the magnitude of its very existence for music as a whole. And if you think rating Beatles album high just cause they were rebellious back then and shaped music, ok, but there's not only one way to judge a record. And btw, yeah, JFK is "overrated" as a politician, just as Ali is as a boxer or Warhol is as an artist. Doesn't mean they had no impact on anything. If you want another example: Your first time most definitely has quite some impact on you as a person. That doesn't mean that the sex was any good though.
zakalwe 06.03.15	Don't listen to him Doof. He's Krazy and Austrian and we all know where opinionated Krazy Austrians got us a few years back. Kris dude the underlying thing here is an album is either amazing, good, ok or shit on a personal level. Calling it overrated is a misuse of the term when it's referring to something that is in itself more than just a musical piece.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	Krazy it's the term 'overrated' I have the problem with - what is this list saying that wouldn't have been covered by the term 'I don't like it'? It implies the correction of a widely held belief and it's nonsense for something that's proved its impact and popularity. 'Overrated score on this site' is better but still I don't know what it adds to simply saying 'I don't like it'. It's just click bait imo I 90% just judge the music hence the 3 rating to AfD despite it possibly being the most influential album on my childhood. I don't like it as much as I did but I'd be a total moron to label it 'overrated'. 'I believe people have thought too highly of this for 30 years' just sounds like a futile concept to me but hey, roll on the next 'overrated' list
KrazyKris 06.03.15	@zak Not if one is able to separate those two things. And in fact that is possible, especially if it wasn't your life that was changed by listening to certain artists. The term overrated means literally the albums ratings are too high. And, sure, in some way it is strange to say that about records millions of people love. But there are a lot albums that millions of people loved or that even changed music and there's still no need to rate it high, just because of that. The Rolling Stone started with that crap, that an album or even an artist on the whole has to be stellar, if it changed some lives and had a big impact. That is bullshit. Or at the very least it includes parameters that are usually not part of how people rate that stuff. Actually semantically there's no difference between telling one single person that he rated an album too low or too high or saying that millions of people did so.
zakalwe 06.03.15	Funnily enough I also think appetite is shite and always have done but some of my fondest memories are soundtracked by that album. Blasting it from a camper van pootling around Oz wouldnt have been the same without it.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	Krazy - using the flat term 'overrated' implies the list writer believes in his opinion the ratings have always been too high and people in the past were wrong to rate it so highly too. My point is who the hell would want opinions like that? Who would take opinions like that seriously? 'You woz all wrong' - it's guff, just say you don't like it
JokineAugustus 06.03.15	1 and 5 are a bit. Haven't heard 7.
KrazyKris 06.03.15	@Doofus Not really. I mean, it depends on one's character, I guess. But usually if you have an opinion on something, you should think it is the right one. Everything else would be quite schizophrenic. So if you discuss an album with someone and you two give it completely different ratings, you'll probably come to the conclusion that the other guy rated it "wrong" (still taking into account that it is subjective though). So what is the difference, if it is not just one guy rating it "wrong", but a millions of people? In fact there is none. The amount of people in favour of a certain opinion doesn't necessarily change the chance of it being wrong. All in all pretty much everyone back in the day believed in god and just cause there were countless millions of them, it doesn't mean they were right. And saying it's stupid to call an album "overrated" just cause of the fact that it has its standing for decades now, doesn't seem too logic to me. I mean, where does that end? When can I still say that something is spoken too highly of and when is it too much? Is it wrong to say MMLP is not as good as most people rate it, although it's probably the most important hip-hop album of the 00s? Is it wrong to say that about Dookie, Exodus, OKC? Overall it is just semantics we're talking here. I'd say the term overrated is appropriate. It just depends on what aspects one considers important for the rating. And that's pretty subjective all over again.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	Krazy - well argued, I still believe 'overrated' lists are overrated
zakalwe 06.03.15	That was exhausting.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	Yeah, had to call time on that lol Zak - heading to Oz for the first time in 8 weeks for a 5 week break with my other half, what can I expect from the place? Spending half the time in Cairns/Ayers Rock, the rest in Sydney.
zakalwe 06.03.15	I was there 2001-2002 dude and it's the greatest country on Earth. I feared that it would have changed immeasurably since then but according to a few of the Aus sputbros it's exactly the same. The most down to earth, easy going, willing to offer help people ever. Saying all that you'll probably get robbed, raped and set upon by a massive beard sporting biker gang
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	Good to hear, can't fooking wait to get there
zakalwe 06.03.15	An absolute ball ache of a flight though, take a good book. Where are you from Doof?
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	I'm from London, though I moved around a bit when I was younger (High Wycombe, Northampton, Stratford Upon Avon) - live south west London near Kingston now but I've lived in Twickenham before that for 3 year and Brixton before that for about 6 years. How about you Zak?
zakalwe 06.03.15	Basildon dude. I've always felt out of place.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	I've never been to Basildon but been to the Essex area a few times, you've got the coast I guess ;) London has its bad points but being able to get to venues like the Shepherds Bush Empire or Brixton Academy in 40 minutes is amazing for a music fan, gotta be honest would find it hard to leave that
zakalwe 06.03.15	Alexandra Palace, Somerset House. Some of the best music venues anywhere and the 5% of London which is great makes up for the 95% that is horrific. The whole 'live in London' thing never appealed at all when I had the opportunity to. Although I did spend a couple of years in Dagenham. I have the scars to prove it.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	I know Dagenham lol! Seen some great great gigs at AP - The National, Arcade Fire, Sigur Ros, just not that many decent acts play it a year. Love that venue. Got a soft spot for SB Empire - gets all the bands just before they break to the next success level, Deerhunter were absolute dynamite when I saw them, heavier than most metal bands. Like I said London has its bad side, the overcrowding is just getting toxic now and it just exaggerates anything that slightly annoys you about your fellow man. I'm in the 'burbs now so can head out to the countryside, I've done my time living in zone 1
zakalwe 06.03.15	One of my best ever was Spiritualized at the Union Chapel, absolutely stunning. Remember a time when Brixton Academy was amazing, it's an absolute shadow of its former self now.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	Agreed, I prefer SBE to Brixton Academy now - my fondest memories of gigs there were the late 90's sort of time. I lived in Brixton 5 years from 2005-10 and strangely didn't use it that much while there
zakalwe 06.03.15	Pokey little flat above a mobile phone shop in Coldharbour Lane? Trying to catch up on episodes of Lost but it's drowned out by sirens so you fuck it off to get something to eat only to walk out onto the street into crime scene tape and hooded rats. It's all so enriching and vibrant and the lattes are to die for though.
Ocean of Noise 06.03.15	I agree with most of these tbqh
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	Pretty much my experience minus the lattes. I remember running home half drunk quite often, sometimes down the middle of the street, as there were so many gangs and freaks roaming around Peckham or Brixton at 4am. I don't really look back to those experiences as character building or life enriching, more like a suppressed terror that'll come out when I spill my guts to a shrink in 15 years time after a nervous breakdown.
zakalwe 06.03.15	Cool!
altertide0 06.03.15	lol Doofus cultural impact is important but only when it comes to discussing culture and history and shouldn't have impact on music rating. You should definitely put AC/DC and the Beatles in history or "bands which had the biggest impact on culture" books but forget about them when it comes to quality music.
LepreCon 06.03.15	If you think 2, 3, 5 and 6 are overrated then I very much doubt you've given them a proper listen and appraisal to begin with
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	altertide overrated lists aren't rating the music they're rating other people's ratings and/or the consensus opinion of the music which is inevitably linked to culture/history and all sorts of other things, I think rating people's ratings misses the point but I'm leaving it there lol
altertide0 06.03.15	Nope, but whatever. I can't stand these lists anyway.
DoofusWainwright 06.03.15	altertide we are 100% agreed on that point and that's the important part ;)
KrazyKris 06.03.15	The thing is, why are you looking at them when the title says it all?