Aftertheascension: Post Metal?

Eggvander 05.28.15	Check Intronaut and The Ocean
Psynuts 05.28.15	man their is a lot of good post metal, stuff like isis, cult of luna, the ocean, rosetta, ghost brigade and so many more
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	Isis - Panopticon Neurosis - A Sun That Never Sets/The Eye of Every Storm Cult of Luna - Somewhere Along the Highway Rosetta - The Galilean Satellites Boris - Feedbacker Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters
Thibs 05.28.15	grey metal
deathschool 05.28.15	Been addicted to Post Metal lately. Will be stealing recs.
OmairSh 05.28.15	Obscure Sphinx's second album is pretty cool. Female fronted post/sludge metal
emester 05.28.15	All The Empires Of The World Seriously check this band out. very solid stuff
TalonsOfFire 05.28.15	Nero Di Marte is post-metal meets sludge and death, also chinese's recs are essential
Avagantamos 05.28.15	time to burn - is.land omega massif - geisterstadt tempel - on the steps of the temple knut - challenger (metalcore/post metal) pelican - australaisia ulcerate - the destroyers of all (death metal/post metal) spook the horses - brighter blindead - affliction XXIX II MXMVI fall of efrafa - inle mare - mare amenra - mass IV bossk - .1
Avagantamos 05.28.15	and obviously check the big ones like Isis, Neurosis, Cult of Luna, The Ocean, Rosetta...
Mordecai. 05.28.15	Check these out, they all slay hard and they aren't Isis or Neurosis: Irepresss - Sol Eye Sea I Irepresss - Samus Octology Radare - Infinite Regress Will Haven - Voire Dire Twilight - Monument to Time End Trenches - The Tide Will Swallow Us Whole Pelican - The Fire In Our Throats Will Beckon The Thaw Old Man Gloom - Christmas The Ocean - Fluxion Nero Di Marte - Nero Di Marte The Pax Cecilia - Blessed Are the Bonds Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye Jesu - Silver Amia Venera Lanscape - The Long Procession
alwaysright 05.28.15	Don't listen to these idiots. Tool is all you need.
Sevengill 05.28.15	Check Intronaut and The Ocean [2]
Artuma 05.28.15	list isn't post-metal in the slightest. i'll second avagantamos' recs
Ecnalzen 05.28.15	Zozobra has got some good stuff.
Sevengill 05.28.15	"Nothing on this list is post metal." Clearly he needs some help. That's what we're here for.
evilford 05.28.15	Neurosis til you go deaf k?
Aftertheascension 05.28.15	"And yeah. Nothing on this list is post metal. Go figure." And yeah. Another useless derogatory comment from you. Go figure. All of the list is post metal. Fuck off. Sick of hearing constant bullshit spew forth from your mouth.
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	"Tool is all you need." cuz tool's top post-metal right pal
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	^yeah dude he's a fuckboy user 2 and 3 are easily post-metal
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	"alwaysright" "Dude he's a fuckboy user" verified
Ignimbrite 05.28.15	None of this is post-metal... The recs being given are really good, though, so I don't have a lot to add. The big three (Isis, Neurosis, and Cult of Luna) are always a great place to start, though.
Artuma 05.28.15	calling agalloch post-metal is one of the wrongest claims ever
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	What's the definition of post-metal? Post-rock influenced metal? Agalloch is exactly that
Artuma 05.28.15	atmospheric sludge metal tbh
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	simply put a lot of is just heavy riffs in a spacey song structure with climaxes some would argue it's just a more intense look at post-rock
toomuchtestosterone 05.28.15	Boris isn't post-metal. Right? Anyways I can't really add much so go with the above recs, they're good
Ignimbrite 05.28.15	Listen to Somewhere Along the Highway for a pretty good idea of what archetypical post-metal is. Agalloch is, by and large, what I'd call folk metal. Ashes Against the Grain definitely has some pretty heavy post-metal influence - "Limbs' in particular - but it's still not something I'd call pure post-metal.
Ignimbrite 05.28.15	"Nero Di Marte is post-metal meets sludge" And yeah, what the hell? Post-metal is post-metal meets sludge.
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	there's a more in-depth definition for ya
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	"it's basically sludge metal tied in with the wandering and anti-music structures that defined the origins of post-rock" Why does it have to be sludge metal? Why can't it be drone, or black, or folk, or any form of metal with strong post-rock influence?
toomuchtestosterone 05.28.15	Maudlin of the Well is prog not post right?
DrGonzo1937 05.28.15	2 & 3 ftw
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	"Why does it have to be sludge metal? Why can't it be drone, or black, or folk, or any form of metal?" sludge is known for its thickness, but yeah in many cases post-metal can drone or have folk influences or whatever else. post-metal just usually has the same sort of thickness sludge has also sludge came from doom so
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	"also sludge came from doom so" Exactly, it's like saying sludge can only be a fusion of doom and traditional hardcore rather than say, crust, or jazz rap can only take influence from cool jazz rather than any style.
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	"Exactly, it's like saying sludge can only be doom and traditional hardcore rather than crust, or jazz rap can only take influence from cool jazz rather than any style." anything can have any influence, it's just how you choose to define it that matters. honestly you could define post-metal using many other different labels and adjectives
DrGonzo1937 05.28.15	Genres and sub-genres = who gives a fuck?
toomuchtestosterone 05.28.15	Yeah I agree. motW and Kayo Dot are both hard to just pin in the prog category. Barely got introduced to them and I dig them a lot (they share a band member or two right). Also, I not usually Captain Genres Are Bullshit Ways Of Confining Bands (I think they're useful for finding new music), but I think Post-metal should encompass more than just sludge
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	"Genres and sub-genres = who gives a fuck?" well other than helping to give the listener a very basic idea of what's going to played, yeah genres don't mean much
DrGonzo1937 05.28.15	People look way too much into them these days. End of the day it doesn't fucking matter.
Artuma 05.28.15	when searching for similar music and describing a sound the genre categorization is extremely useful. and that's not going to work if the genre names are blatantly misused
toomuchtestosterone 05.28.15	Agreed Agalloch and Neurosis are miles apart
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	"It's nothing like saying that at all." Actually, you're right, because your take on post-metal makes even less sense. It's in the name, for God's sake: post-metal. It's post-rock, but "rock" is substituted for "metal". With that taken into consideration, how is it not completely and utterly illogical that only one minor, specific subgenre of metal is relevant in categorizing music that falls under a fairly vague umbrella term?
FearThyEvil 05.28.15	"All of the list is post metal. Fuck off. Sick of hearing constant bullshit spew forth from your mouth." except it's not.
Artuma 05.28.15	you just really aren't getting it chinese
FearThyEvil 05.28.15	I summon Relinquished to end this bs.
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	oh well, who cares enough to keep arguing
idontcareaboutthis 05.28.15	well you guys have fun with that
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	"Post-metal is a subgenre of sludge with heightened focus towards atmospherics, hence being a.k.a. atmospheric sludge metal". I get the argument, it's just fucking stupid.
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	"That's like saying post-rock is post-punk, but "punk" is substituted for "rock"." The problem here is post-punk isn't related to post-rock, but post-metal is. The term post-metal wouldn't exist without post-rock, whereas post-punk predates both pretty generously. I'm not asking to rename other genres, I'm saying in labeling things "post-metal", it's far too specific when the term could just as easily be applicable toward things that aren't directly derivative from sludge metal specifically.
FearThyEvil 05.28.15	So with that in mind, listen to Agalloch and Neurosis and still try to tell me how Agalloch is post-metal.
FearThyEvil 05.28.15	To Whispers, not you Ov. You obviously know what you're talking about here.
Artuma 05.28.15	"The problem here is post-punk isn't related to post-rock, but post-metal is" this is actually getting pretty funny
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	"Let's forget the clear cut history and development of the genre and instead undermine Agalloch's whole sound by contriving this bullshit reasoning to name it something that has nothing to do with what it is." "Post-metal is a mixture between the genres of post-rock, heavy metal, and shoegazing" "Post-metal is a mixture between the genres of post-rock and heavy metal" "An emerging genre of metal music which takes elements of post-rock and puts them into a metal context." Haven't found a single definition that supports what you've said. I'm not saying that Agalloch is solely post-metal, never even implied it. Also, clear cut history? Isn't the term debated enough as it is to label evolution of said term "clear cut"? I misspoke saying the argument was bullshit, I meant use of the term was. Should've worded it better
FearThyEvil 05.28.15	you really just pulled all this information from wiki? the same place that says bands like these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_post-hardcore_bands are post-hardcore? please
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	Pulled only one of them from Wiki, I can keep looking, but I didn't find any websites that stated that ALL post-metal HAD to be SPECIFICALLY derived from sludge. That's the only thing I'm contesting.
Artuma 05.28.15	well some post-metal bands like pelican and russian circles have their roots in post-rock but their music is hardly even metal
redrig 05.28.15	https://weownthesky.bandcamp.com/album/the-glass-nails-ep
Ignimbrite 05.28.15	pretty much everything Snox has said is correct
Ignimbrite 05.28.15	Also, to get back on the topic of recommending good post-metal: you all need to check out the new album from The Nepalese Temple Ball. I'm preliminarily calling it the best post-metal of 2015 to date.
toomuchtestosterone 05.28.15	That does bother me wtf does shoegaze have to do with post-anything?
porcupinetheater 05.28.15	Post metal owes more to hardcore punk in its early stage of development than post-rock. At the time Neurosis started doing shit with Souls at Zero, post-rock basically was just having its early roots sewn by Talk Talk. They kind of developed parallel, post rock did not come first.
ElegantElephant 05.28.15	none of the bands listed are post metal, so what ive noted to be basic essentials if you want to get into the genre: Neurosis - Through Silver and Blood Isis - Panopticon Rosetta - The Galilean Satellites Cult of Luna - Salvation The Ocean - Precambrian (Disc 2)
toomuchtestosterone 05.28.15	Gotta say porcupinetheater's statement pretty much seals this debate
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	"Because the facts that post-metal developed in the 90s under the sound I've described and the fact that in the past ten years black metal bands have beein trolloping shoegaze, therefore causing people to debate the term and sound that already existed for ten years prior is what you're trying to base this on." So genres can't shift definitions in order to accompany new developments? It's not the origins of the genre they're debating over, it's the applicability of the term, plus my stance has nothing to do with blackgaze. I feel like you're misinterpreting what I'm typing. I'm not trying to base anything off other people's definitions, I'm saying that's the only way the term really makes sense. Calling something "post-metal" then saying "it's only applicable to post-rock influenced sludge" makes the term itself illogical. To me, at least, I'm willing to concede that much. "You're literally quoting something that says post-metal is "an emerging genre"." Yes, in my effort to try and find an outside source to confirm the claims you've made. "You realise these quotes were written by kids like you who have no clue about the actual history of the genre or any of these genres, to be honest. They're the same kinds of people who have no idea what post-rock is or was ever about." All this because I don't think all post-metal is strictly sludge? Jesus, dude, I'm not really saying you're wrong about the history of the genre, I'm saying the term should be applicable to artists that don't necessarily fall under the definition you've stated. Also, what porcupine says sounds right, so I'm not going to debate it, but I don't see how that necessarily contradicts everything I've stated, just one somewhat minor comment I made, which I'm willing to admit was most likely wrong.
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	"They can, and post-metal did. Just not in the way you're so poorly trying to claim it has." How can you read the same thing five times and still not understand it? You're pulling arguments that I'm not making out of your ass, I never said it has. You can argue the legitimacy of a widely contested term, but that doesn't make it concrete, a rough musical timeline doesn't make it concrete, you treating it as concrete doesn't make it concrete, it doesn't make it anything. If you want to call the sound you're describing as "atmospheric sludge", then it makes perfect sense. "Post-metal", in the definition you're using it, doesn't.
Relinquished 05.28.15	there weren't no problems like this when I reigned in the knowledge of this genre years ago, people knew what was what
ShadowRemains 05.28.15	wolfe you showed up way too late to this all-encompassing clusterfuck seriously you people need to do something else with your time
Ignimbrite 05.28.15	wow this thread is a clusterfuck
Keyblade 05.28.15	we in here writing theses on the history of post metal lmao
Aftertheascension 05.28.15	[2]
Valkyrion 05.28.15	discussing music on a music website who would have thought
Aftertheascension 05.28.15	Ikr
Aftertheascension 05.28.15	Not on sputnik
deathschool 05.28.15	Things got heated, I see
Relinquished 05.28.15	hold up guys let me get this straightened out soon cuz I'm bringing back my crown
guitarded_chuck 05.28.15	"calling agalloch post-metal is one of the wrongest claims ever" lolol yeah
Aftertheascension 05.28.15	Lollolool fucking grow up this is not 9gag
guitarded_chuck 05.28.15	i dont even know what 9gag is but anyway its okay man dont be so butthurt go listen to pelican or something fuck
Keyblade 05.28.15	you could argue ashes is a post metal album tbh tho
ChoccyPhilly 05.28.15	Altar of plagues - teethed glory and injury Mot pure but it has some post elements to it
chinesewhispers 05.28.15	Okay Relinquished, here's the tl;dr version: (I personally think that) If you use the term post-metal, you should theoretically be able to include bands that aren't strictly sludge, whereas he thinks that post-metal is the same thing as atmospheric sludge and won't stop until I agree.
guitarded_chuck 05.28.15	it doesnt matter if you agree with how the genre name came about historically chinese, sure genre labeling is subjective but a group of similar sounding bands coming out around the same time were labelled as post metal and that similar sound is what it is normally associated with i mean that's the end of it really
guitarded_chuck 05.28.15	it isn't even really "sludge" metal either as it is just heavy doom inspired atmospheric metal with a sort of detailed song structure and epic feel
SpiritCrusher2 05.28.15	"list is stuff I like from the genre" it's not, because those aren't post-metal albums edit: oh I see you guys have already discussed that topic lol nvm
Cygnatti 05.28.15	guys post-metal = atmospheric sludge metal that simple yeah post-metal wouldn't exist w/o post-rock, but that's where the "atmospheric" comes in place.
Aftertheascension 05.28.15	Thinking about nuking this tbh
Relinquished 05.28.15	guys guys i got this don't worry ahem if it ain't close to neurosis style throughout any point of their career it's not post-metal i am right you can all go home if anyone disagrees follow it up to The Wizard and/or straight to me again to prove you wrong.
Cygnatti 05.28.15	if y'all are so worried about way the boundaries of a single genre, you do realize an album can be more than one similar genre at the same time : i.e. almost all emo-pop albums are also either pop punk, pop rock, power pop, or a comb of the 3 i.e. mezzanine happens to be both a downtempo (particularly 2nd half of album) and a trip hop album (a subgenre of downtempo) i.e. many pop album happen to be both electropop and synthpop, despite both genres having distinct differences. genres CAN deviate from what they original derive from, but that doesn't mean the definition of the genre has changed at all, or needs to be changed : i.e. an album can be boom bap, without being east coast hip hop i.e. an album can be dirty south, without being southern rap, or coming from the south
Flugmorph 05.28.15	All you need: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=1037591&listid=156181
Relinquished 05.28.15	fkn dmbss
Intothepit 05.28.15	So I'm late to the gangbang of ascension and whispers huh?
Aftertheascension 05.28.15	Yeah. Usually your stupid ass is the first to want to put your dick in my ass.
evilford 05.28.15	nicer dicer
guitarded_chuck 05.28.15	ajfa is p progressive = post metal?
Intothepit 05.28.15	So ascension just admitted he's used to having dick in his ass....